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raining
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Post Number: 548
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Posted From: 69.237.90.167
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Read the testimonies of 3 survivors of Tony Alamo's abusive lifestyle. Don't ever forget the courage these ladies have shown by coming on a public forum and exposing that perverted pedophile, Tony Alamo!
NIKKI
" I lived in Tony's house for almost 3 years (12-15yrs old). I was forced by Tony and my family to live at his house.".
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He used to have me sit next to him and tell me all sorts sexual tales and things that he'd like to do I actually learned about everything from threesums to how big black guys dicks are from Tony and he would always tell to promise not to tell anyone."
" So June of 99' I was fifteen and I made a phone call to a relative in Chicago to get me out and long story a bit shorter Tony found out and the consequences were horrific he nearly killed (no really) he knocked me unconscious but I was so terrified that he would kill me because I had seen the way he beat the others "
TAMI
"Shortly after Tony kicked my husband Randy out, he declared I was to become one of his wives. I resisted. I did not love him. I didn’t even believe in polygamy. I did not want to leave my husband."
" After his pressuring didn’t work, he hit me where he knew he would get me: If I didn’t marry him, I would go to hell. Something terrible would happen to me. I would die. I would get sick. My daughter would be demon-possessed. "
"On October 15, 1993, I married Tony Alamo. He asked me if I wanted to consummate the marriage. I said no."
" I felt like I was going to vomit. I kept praying for God to deliver me from this mess. "
" I was seventeen. He was sixty-three."
JODIE
"After hearing him say all this stuff, how I was going to die very shortly and go to hell. I finally told him crying that I lived my life for God and I wanted to do God's will.
He then made arrangements to take me to Palm Springs to "marry" me.I was terrified and asked to call my mom back in Arkansas. Tony told me I could not and he would make sure I never saw my family again unless I "consummated" the marriage. He even threatened to have some of the "brothers" drive me out to the desert and leave me there unless I slept with him. "
"I was dry heaving and couldn't sleep for days. I would cry the whole time. "
"Tony was very careful when he took me for a wife. He didn't want the church to know because the idea of polygamy wasn't accepted by his following yet."
" He then told me about Lizzy and because she was so small, it took her three days for him to break her in. "
Thank God Nikki,Tammi, and Jodi have the Godly courage to expose Tony Alamo and what he inflicted upon them. Tony Alamo is a lying, polygamy practicing, child abusing pedophile, false profit. He self anointed himself as "World Pastor". |
raining
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Read parts of a post that was posted by Double J - Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 9:29 pm:
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None of them, not the Alamo supporters are addressing one of the main issues on this board.
That is the CHILD ABUSE issue, and the polygamy issue.....
It seems that every time an Alamo supporter posts, they only quote scriptures and avoid the direct issue of the beatings that took place on the Ridge in Arkansas and the multiple wives or concubines that Tony Alamo has.
That is great that people write letters to Tony Alamo and thank him for helping him...... Thats great that people survived, when they were down and out. (I believe that would be by God's graces that they are still alive not a man's graces)
Now lets talk about the child abuse issue for a minute...
All these letters from people who are thanking Tony Alamo for them finding God,and bringing Christ into their lives, still does not change the facts that Tony Alamo ordered many CHILDREN to be beaten with a board.... Some were beaten so badly they were bleeding. (I know because it happened to my brother) There were times I was beaten so badly It would take me a minute (literally a minute) or more to sit down, and every time I would move, the pain would travel though my body. I would be black and blue on my butt for weeks at a time. I remember one time I was hit, I believe it was 40 times, it may have been 70 with a board for holding my breathe in class and I passed out in the class room. Luckily,when I fell backwards (unconscious) my head hit a pile of books that were on the floor next to my desk, otherwise my head would have probably split open from hitting the tile.....It was a stupid trick I know, but I had just figured out by dong this you could make yourself dizzy, and was showing it to my classmates. I got BEATEN at Tony Alamos house for that. It may sound like a childish and foolish thing to do (holding your breathe to get dizzy) but at the time I was only a child. I believe I was 11 years old when this happened. . Did that really deserve to beaten with a 2x4? Holding your breathe in class.... Man what a horrible sin against God.
Tony Alamo,You CAN NOT beat children and then just think that you can get away with it by quoting scriptures and calling people whores, homos, imps, devils, back-sliders, punks...etc.......
I finally have built up enough courage to tell just part of my story and tell some of the stories of others I know who have been beaten or abused at the Alamo Foundation at the hands and orders of Tony Alamo.
It doesn't matter how long ago these children were abused, and I am including myself....the fact is he , Tony Alamo ,still had children beaten, and some times these children were beaten to a bloody pulp. By LAW they were physically abused.
Jared B |
raining
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Read this post by Summer4ever (Jody)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 5:51 am:
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Tony,
I ask you to stand back and look at yourself in the mirror. Look what you have become. You have become such a poor excuse for a man, much less a preacher.
You break up families, abuse women and children, and rape little girls. That is not a World Pastor of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
You know what you did to me was wrong on so many levels: Biblically, morally, and legally. You hurt me and you know you did.
I have forgiven you for the pain you caused me. I hope, before it is too late, you will ask forgiveness from your Maker.
"And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea." (Mark 9:32).
Please read that scripture slowly for your own good. It does apply to you, me, and everyone else.
I do stand behind everything I stated in the post about what happened to me.
I stood behind it many years ago, and I will stand behind it as long as I live.
Whoever asks, I will tell them. I will not lie for you or for your church. I will not lie to the devil. I will not lie to God. I will not lie to others.
There is one thing I have in my life now that didn't have when I was there. It is peace.
I want to keep it that way.
Jody |
raining
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Read this post that was posted by Jody -
posted by Jody: Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 5:51 am:
I know this is long, but please take the time to read this if you would like to know what happened to me. (Jody)
Most of this (if not all) was told to the Justice Dept back in 1994.
I was moved out to California when I was sixteen. Larry and I did not get along at all at the time (this was not uncommon), so Tony offered to have me live with a family (Rodriguez Family) out in California. Before I knew it, I was living in Canoga Park and helping Evie, Gina, Terry (Anna D's Sister) with the jackets.
Shortly thereafter, I started working as a tutor to some of the children. I worked with Anthony and Brandon, Tony B., and others. They were great kids!!! It was strange that I was tutoring them because I had not completed over 10th grade (the Georgia ridge raid).
I did love to read though, and Lord knows there was a shortage of books around the church, so I read Algebra, English, and so on. I became self-educated as did many of the children in the church.
Even on the ridge, we really didn't have a good school system in place. Remember guys, we would have school for four hours (just basic courses too -- everything else that encouraged our minds to think had been stripped from the curriculum), then we would go to work on the jackets.
As I had stated, I lived with the Rodriguez family in California. Nikki worked in Tony A?s house with Ann. As a teenage girl, I idolized Nikki R. and she worked with the pastor. She seemed to be quite a strong woman. So I wanted to do what she did. I began working in Tony's House with Nikki and Ann.
My first night working at Tony's house was hilarious!!!! I remember Tony was mad at Ann about something so silly. He worked himself into a frenzy and began calling her names, lesbian, •••••, etc.
Okay... I had always looked at Tony as "papa Tony" as the others had. But I clearly was seeing a different side. I always knew he had a disciplinary (abusive) side because of the Spec House beatings (YES -- The beatings did happen!). I was raised to believe he was the only one in the world to get messages from God. This is when I began to doubt about that. In my logical mind, I was thinking: Ann is married with a kid. God seriously cannot be calling her a lesbian or a female dog. Not that I entirely knew what a lesbian was, but I knew it was horrid behavior strictly forbidden that was between two women.
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raining
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Continued from Jody's above post:
As time went on, Tony began talking about polygamy and the Old Testament quite a bit. I noticed Tony slowly introduced the topic and then began pushing it more and more. He would get some crazy idea in his head and then tell us to look for the scriptures to back it up. I used to argue scriptures with Tony quite a bit about this issue and others. I really didn't feel right about how things were going.
Shortly thereafter, he married Lydia - almost immediately putting her in ward. In case any of ya'll out there are not familiar with ward. It is when a man puts his woman away (does not have sexual relations with her). I really couldn?t tell if Lydia was upset about this or not. Then Tony began talking about the flames of hell and how someone in the room wasn't listening to God and marrying him and such. Well, the only other person in the room besides me would be him on most occasions when he would talk about these things.
After hearing him say all this stuff, how I was going to die very shortly and go to hell. I finally told him crying that I lived my life for God and I wanted to do God's will.
He then made arrangements to take me to Palm Springs to "marry" me.
I was terrified and asked to call my mom back in Arkansas. Tony told me I could not and he would make sure I never saw my family again unless I "consummated" the marriage. He even threatened to have some of the "brothers" drive me out to the desert and leave me there unless I slept with him. It was February 15th. Niki R. was there in Palm Springs. She knew how awful it was for me. I was dry heaving and couldn't sleep for days (found out lack of sleep was something I needed to become accustomed to later). The consummation didn't happen for a while, but I knew he would sooner or later force himself.
That did happen, and at first it was awful. I would cry the whole time. But in time I learned a very valuable trick on "my nights" with Tony. I learned how to separate myself from myself. I would actually allow my mind to take me elsewhere during that time. That is why he went around telling people that sleeping with me was like sleeping with a corpse and that I didn't like sex so something was wrong with me. Tony was very careful when he took me for a wife. He didn't want the church to know because the idea of polygamy wasn't accepted by his following yet. It later became pretty common knowledge around the church.
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raining
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continued from Jody's above post:
Anyway, after a few months went by, I saw Tony take, Isabel, Misheal (breaking up their marriage and taking her for himself), Tami (breaking up their marriage and taking her for himself as well), and Angel.
Things ended up happening towards the end of my time with him to show me that he wasn't a man of God at all. He wasn't even a real man. There were always things said and done that made me question his behavior, but then things started becoming so blatantly wrong, I couldn't make up any excuses in my head (or find reasoning in the scriptures) to justify his behavior.
There was an incident when I knew that I HAD done something and he was saying I hadn't. I said to him, "You say you can talk to God, Ask Him if I did?" He bowed his balding head and pretended to pray. Then looked up and said God had told him I didn't do it. I told him that he was lying. That was a loud, abusive day at the house.
Tami if you are reading this, Remember when he would have us burn receipts for different things in the little fire pit back on the house of Meadow Ln? I kept some of them and many more things to incriminate him. I put them in a box under my bed. After I left, I asked for my stuff back (my clothing and personal items).
Tony sent Evie and her boys to the restaurant where I worked and dumped the boxes at the front door during business hours. But in one of the boxes, were all the receipts for "wedding rings" and other things like the hotel receipt from Palm Springs that he signed when checking us in for our "marriage" under one name Funny, he actually gave me (after I left), some of the evidence the Justice Dept. used against him in court later. What a dumb @ss!
Also, for anyone wondering? Although I had been subpoenaed on the tax evasion trial, I did not testify because the government thought I would make a hostile witness. Although I told them the truth from start to end, I kept saying, "I know Tony did this but the scripture says this or that." The government thought this could hurt their case, so they quizzed me on things and then sent a special agent to testify as me on the stand.
I still wasn't 100% convinced this man was evil.
I even went over to the house to talk to him one day after I had left. He then told me about Lizzy and because she was so small, it took her three days for him to break her in. He also told me that if I didn't confess my sins to everyone in the room I would die within two minutes. I actually smiled and told him he would be the first to go. Well, after two minutes, I was still there and he was about to look like a fool. So he then decided it was the Lord's mercy on me that I was still sitting there, but if I didn't repent I would die within 2 years. Well that was a decade ago. I assure you this is Jody, and I am not back from the grave...
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raining
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Continued from Jody's above post:
It did kind of remind me of the time he went around telling people God told him I was pregnant. Well, after he announced it to a room full of people, I called him aside and told him I definitely was NOT pregnant. He then stated God put a lying spirit in him to mess with me to show me how I mess with others.
Does anyone remember when he used to try to predict what the sex of the unborn child was when a woman was pregnant? It worked out for him a couple of times. But then the odds caught up with him and yes, he started getting them wrong.
Anyway back to the trial. It wasn't until after he wrote the tract about me calling my mom a prostitute that I dropped the "buts" and realized that he was 100% wrong and corrupt. So I did testify at the sentencing hearing.
And for anyone that wants to call me a whore, ••••, or anything else like you have Nikki F (I am sorry for your pain, Nikki). I had never kissed anyone, and I surely did not know what the act of sex entailed before that experience. We kids never had a sex ed class, nor did I think about things like that for fear God would hear my thoughts and strike me down in His fury.
Oh, the fear we lived in. I thank God I am free.
Jody |
raining
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Posted by msweezell (msweezell) on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 4:37 pm
I actually stood there and watched with my own eyes, a young child 13 years old being led by his parents into Tony Alamo’s house shaking with fear. A look on his face I can see to this day, I had no Idea what was going to happen next. I didn’t know what I was about to witness was a ritual. I just happened to be in the office. Aaron Willis (your wife Lydia’s relative) was taken into the Big room, the one with the mirrored walls... And one door slammed shut... Tony Alamo already had his men in place before the child arrived. The office was buzzing with people, phones ringing, Sue G making tapes, Rob S coordinating tree crew, Gorbs in the corner reading the mail, LaRoache with the finance list in hand, Ann Mac screaming about the screamers. Tommy Scarcello with a bad tuna deal in hand, Bob Strite, flexing his only muscle, getting ready to hammer a 13 yr old kid. And the list goes on...
There was almost no dialog, didn’t even let the boy speak, the sentence was in. The one man Jury, Tony Alamo had passed judgment and ordered the execution of punishment. to be administered by 5 men, (hardly the right word) 4 holding the boy face down, spread eagle, 2 men holding his legs apart, 2 men holding his arms out stretched, and one with a board so big I gasped, and the second door shut Then through the closed doors the sound of that board shattering across that child’s body, I thought Oh My God please stop! ...And it went on and on and on! Tony calling out “Whose keeping count? 40 more!!!”
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raining
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Continued from above post:
Our pastor, Tony Alamo, the one who I thought was likened unto the Good Sheppard stood there convinced The Lord told him this was A-ok...when the doors opened I thought they were going to carry out a corps. No one stood up and called 911, no one raised their voice to question this atrocity, and two more boys were led in. Just what was this child’s transgression? Lying? , Rape? , Theft? , Murder?
Everyone just carried on shuffling around as if this was routine, including me... confused and yet petrified knowing only to well to say anything would mean certain annihilation for questioning Tony’s supremacy,
Tell a lie long enough and the people will believe it, you taught us that. Your misuse of Power turned into mayhem; soon after the beatings you took it to a whole other level to further fulfill your unseemly sexual desires by seducing several of our little virgin babes into your defiled bed by telling us The Lord said thus, thus and thus...
It became very apparent, at least to me, that your house was no longer a conducive atmosphere for sound mental, spiritual or physical health. Just couldn’t back you up any longer, defending and trying to finance your bad PR was loathsome. I escaped shaking in my boots |
raining
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Posted From: 68.127.124.156
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Read What Neasie had to say about Tony Alamo:
Posted on Monday, January 02, 2006 - 8:01 pm:
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I have lurked for a while and feel like chiming in. I looked at the website in regards to selling the Ridge property. The nightmares that that place has caused. I would NEVER want to revisit that place. There are many "adults" on these threads that I ignore as they were the ones who beat my brother for years with those 2x4's. I can still hear him crying and screaming all these years later. He is more of a man than the a**es who beat him at Tony AND Sue's command. Tony is a sick, he sexually got off on us being beaten. I will never forget it. I know what he (Tony Alamo) did to my brother, and may he burn in Hell for it.
Most Honestly
Neasie(Denise) |
anchored
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Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Much thanks Raining! It's so important to keep these posts at the forefront.
Lest we forget, these testimonies are from people who have witnessed and experienced, first hand, Tony Alamo's wicked insanity. It was a living nightmare and they lived it out day by day, year by year, thinking it was God's will, until finally, having gone through so much mental, physical, spiritual and emotional abuse, they were pushed to the threshold of despair and desperation to the point of almost losing their sanity.
We still have Alamo worshippers, supporters and defenders, in or out of the cult, sent by Tony Alamo, whose mission is to distract and erase the memories of these horrific events from public view and EVEN SEEING IF HE CAN POSSIBLY OVERRIDE AND SIDETRACK some of us with his whitewashing and distraction techniques.
Tony Alamo's modus operandi is to neutralize his wicked past and and wicked current abominations by attempting to whitewash it away by sending his minions here to say what a "wonderful man of God" "and all he's doing to win souls,". and all the response letters that Mr. Wonderboy World Pervert is receiving, etc.
God warned us of whited sepulchers which appear beautiful outward, but are full of dead men's bones and full of ALL uncleanness (Tony Alamo). Blind guides (Tony Alamo) Graves which appear not (Tony Alamo), and the men that walk over them are not aware of them and fall into them. Yes, fall into them and deceived by the Great Deciever (Tony Alamo).
Again Raining, thank you for reminding us lest we forget. I carefully reread every one of these testimonies again. Thanks! I needed to be reminded again. Keep em coming! |
modesto
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Post Number: 318
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Posted From: 76.209.128.162
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ty Raining,
I left before this started(that I know of anyway),1978 while Susan was alive and had the short leash on Tony.Yesterday I was reading his pro polygamy tract and was struck by the part where he quotes scripture about women not speaking in church as he asserted women ought to be subservient to men and so on.I thought,"he wouldn 't have said that to Susie!".I'm no psychiatrist or anything but it seems pretty obvious from all his talk about how he thought his mission was to punish women before he met Susan, and the way he behaved around Susan when she was alive, then, reverted back to punishing again when she was gone, that he may very well be insane and bedeviled with pathologically toxic"Mommy" issues.Tony fits almost perfectly ,(he's a bit too old now for perfect,the age is about 40 to 55 years I think)the most common profile for serial killers.I wonder what he'd have done if he didn't have the foundation and its'girls to prey upon. |
dyann
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Post Number: 208
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 12.72.152.239
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Raining~
You have done so much work researching these testimonies.
Can you copy them and mail/email them to the authorities?
I mean the current investigators.
I am doing what I can that way but more than one or two persons need to bring this out into the light.
Also, it appears you were there most recent and have first hand knowledge or at least know the people in these testimonies.
PLEASE get in touch with PACA on who to report these crimes to. They will do the subpoena serving for court testimony.
Loving all the vics
dyann |
dyann
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Post Number: 209
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Posted From: 12.72.152.239
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This thread needs to stay near the top.
Simpleton, Heynow and Floridiot (who has stopped posting) have been typing irrelevant crap on the other threads just to push the current, relevant threads down.
Anchored and I have figured this out. So please post "new" comments so these stay on top, along with the SPLC, and Fouke News threads. thanks |
worm_can_opener
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Posted From: 70.243.165.58
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Raining,
God bless you, for taking the time out of your busy schedule, to re-post all this vital information.
Reading one post, where the "regulars" were just doing what they always did ( like some kind of battery operated mannequins ) making tapes, organizing the tree crew, the sound of ringing phones, etc. make the whole awful scene even more spooky to try and get a mental picture of !! NEVER could I imagine what those children must have gone through, my God, that sounds like the Russian tortures done in those interrogation rooms, done to enemies of the state, or the Spanish Inquisition !!! they were TORTURTED, by Tony Alamo !! WHAT, I wonder, is going on there right this minute, with the compound all closed off, and away from prying eyes and hearing ears ?? It makes me shudder to think of it. |
dyann
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Post Number: 219
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Posted From: 12.72.149.106
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Thank you again raining |
jackrussell
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Post Number: 321
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 70.126.185.30
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Raining,
You are perfectly right to repeat these truths again and again, until justice finally decides to close in on the Alamo felonies, and many of the victims receive closure. Also the more one reads these honest testimonies, more and new insights seem to be revealed.
One excerpt that stood out this time as I read again is;
Tell a lie long enough and the people will believe it, you taught us that. Your misuse of Power turned into mayhem."
'Mayhem' is a serious felony, and is linked in the family of terrorist activities according to Patriot act/Homeland security law.
Mayhem as defined in websters unabridged, has its root from the word 'maim,'
willful and permanent deprivation of a bodily member resulting in impairment of a persons fighting ability. Willful and permanent crippling, mental and physical of any part of the body. Needless or willful damage.
The daily routine of the alamo christian ministries lives, be-lieves in that history of abuse as ok,condone and follow in the footsteps of that leadership. Any positive communique Alamo has ever had with the Lord is now of a long time forgotten, as now only a fearful looking for of justice and destiny prevails.
Alamo was reckless, as far back as even his thoughts,
For without watching, the thoughts of Tony Alamo became his words,
His own words became the actions,
And those actions are what formed the char-actor, Tony Alamo
This character will be Tony Alamos' own destiny.
The current radio broadcasts delivered by Tony Alamo would be laughable in its ludicrosity, if it were not that Tony Alamo is dead serious. He cannot help himself, he just must speak from his seditious heart.
His life can be incapsulated in an episode, one comparable to the movie 'Apocalypse now' produced by Martin Scorsese, as the deranged Viet Nam jungle leader played by Marlon Brando, formerly a decorated officer. As it did not matter about all the previous medals of honor, this 'leader' will be forever known for the atrocities he committed in the final episode, as running a race with a head start, but coming in dead last, or worse yet, not at all!
So the plea here is for child safety, victim advocation, and life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as guaranteed by the constitution of these United States... |
dyann
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Post Number: 221
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 12.72.150.209
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Very eloquent, concise and informed.
I love how you continue your logic, Jack.
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jackrussell
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Post Number: 322
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 70.126.185.30
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Thanks Dy,
Am hoping FIVE-O will catch a drift, pick up the ball and go in for the touchdown. Know how they like to have all their ducks lined up in a row, and now, with the recent publicity they can have a big White duck real soon, and the sitting 'Papa' DUCK right behind 'im!
Cheers, G |
dyann
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Post Number: 223
Registered: 9-2007
Posted From: 12.72.150.209
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Amen... timeing is key. |
pobox398
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Post Number: 163
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 75.66.235.106
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Sue B
At least one of these accounts I had never read. Which makes me wonder how many others have I missed?
Thank you for taking the time to dig through and resurface even just a few of those brutally honest accounts exposing just some of Tony's ruthless atrocities he’s guilty of committing against helpless victims, victims which are without number.
cp |
brother_d
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Post Number: 431
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 72.152.77.77
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The information on this thread is what is relevant to this site, exposing toadee alameo, not the bickering and pettiness on some of the others. Let's keep this to the forefront, so that anyone visiting FACTnet will get the important stuff first. |
raining
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Post Number: 559
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Posted From: 69.228.13.223
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Read what the poster with the screen name of "End_Time" had to say about Tony Alamo,
Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 12:26 pm:
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Tony Alamo is hiding behind the "mask of sanity," he exposes feelings only insofar as they serve an ulterior motive. He can witness or order acts of utter brutality without experiencing a shred of emotion, as witnessed by hundreds when he ordered the brutal beatings of our children. He casts himself in a role of total control, which he plays to the hilt. He believes everything is owed to him as a right. Tony divides the world into suckers, sinners, and himself. He discharges powerful feelings of terror and rage by dominating and humiliating his victims, emotional vampirism or emotional terrorism, he does not recognize the individuality or rights of others, those around him are as objects, targets, or opportunities, not people, which makes his all self-serving behavior repulsive. Thus there is no place for feelings of remorse, shame, or guilt. Tony feels justified in all his actions since he alone considers himself the ultimate moral arbiter. He presents himself as the "Ultimate One": enlightened a vehicle of god, a genius, the leader of humankind, Tony’s delusional distortion of reality. His grandiosity is only a defense against his insignificance. What is most promised? -- Peace, joy, enlightenment, and security -- forever out of reach for you Tony, you are not concerned about the consequences of your behavior. you leave behind the wreckage of others' lives and dreams. Susie told you this would happen, and you didn't listen. Shame on you. |
raining
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Posted by Internuncio
Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 11:33 am:
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Many have asked, How does Tony Alamo pick his wives?
There are several ways Tony Alamo has picked his wives. When counseling people, as pastor's commonly do, he just simply decides that the person he is counseling is supposed to be his wife. It doesn't matter if they are married or not... If they are married he simply gets rid of that woman's husband. Inevitably he is given some kind of revelation of some hidden sin of the past or present that is in the man's life. These so called sins are usually so grievous, if only to Alamo himself, that he orders the man to leave the cult. This happened with Michele Jones Williams and Tami Hunt Sprinkle.
In January 1993 Tony Alamo took 2 new wives, first, Elizabeth G who was 15 or 16 years old and second, Jeanette O who was also 15or 16 years old. These two wives were at Tony Alamo's birthday party only a few months earlier. Perhaps it was there that Tony Alamo saw them and made the decision that they should be his wives.
While in prison Tony Alamo had photographs taken of potential wives. He had photographs taken of Eliza Vincent who was only 8 years old. She was then taken out of her parents home and moved to Tony's house, with Tony's wives. Sharon Krooph-Alamo then began to groom Eliza to be a wife. She told her all about sex and schooled her in proper wife etiquette. Eliza was brought into the prison where Tony Alamo was being detained for tax evasion and it was there in the prison visitors room, where Tony would fondle her and tell her in explicit detail how he was going to have sex with her. Tony's favorite part of Eliza, her little 8 year old legs. That is what he said... He said he loved her legs. During these visits one wife watched the roving video camera and let Tony know when it was turning his direction. This was so he would not be caught touching his "sexataries" oops, I mean secretaries, and the little girls, in an inappropriate way. While in prison he also had photographs taken of Katrina Frankowitz and later Cindi Jo Frankowitz. There were photographs taken of many other female children but not all satisfied Tony's lustful appetite, so ultimately, those children were never displaced and sent to Tony's house. It should be noted that the photographs taken were not of an explicit sexual nature. The girls were posed in provocative ways, but they were always clothed |
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posted by Wilma
Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 8:18 pm:
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Internuncio,
You asked about pictures being taken. I remember around the time when Linda Rodriguez moved in with her girls: Jeanne, Pebbles, and Alana, Tony was in Federal Prison in Texarkana (1996). I remember people talking about Tony wanting pictures of all the new baby Christians women. Not long after, there was talk of him adding them to his "visitors list". I remember thinking it was a little strange that he had new converts coming to visit him in prison. Little did we realize that he was picking out new girls to molest and rape. Poor Pebbles got added to the harem after Tony got out of jail.
Just for the record, Lizzy and Jeanne O became wives in January 1994, not 1993. I also remember when Tony would visit the school (on the PROWL) that mothers would hide their daughters.
At that time, no one wanted that old geezer to steal away their innocent daughters or say "God told me that I am to marry her or you will all go to hell".
Such a bunch of baloney!
Susie G |
worm_can_opener
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I have no idea who "end_time" is, but he sure put toe-knee's whole story into a nutshell. (1) hiding behind a mask of sanity (2) not having a shred of emotion during brutal beatings (3) total control (4) discharging powerful feelings of terror and rage by dominating and humiliating his victims (5) presenting himself as the "ultimate one" (6) dividing the world into suckers, sinners and HIMSELF ! "end_time, I have got to hand it to you, you have described the preaching pedophile to the hilt. Remember how much toe-knee hated that Johnny Mathis song- "feelings" ?? no big wonder...he's void of all human feelings, emotion, remorse, penitence, grief, sorrow, mercy, sentimentality, affection, empathy, sympathy...there's just nothing in there, folks, other than the DEVIL. |
jackrussell
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yeah WCO,
shame it is not a caricature, but this accurate portrait of the full monte of Tony Alamo is no exaggeration that you have just posted of 'end times.'
We were all as 'a deer in the headlights.' Caught up in a bright blinding light, not realizing it was the 'lesser light' of impending death. That is very very darkness, and it is very blinding. Tony Alamo and his agenda became the embodiment of those dark headlights to us all for that time.
But now we are pulling that greasy little slimy weasel out of the woodpile. And it is not that difficult. For the man Tony Alamo is helping us, by actually confessing to his felonies on his own broadcast radio show. Tony may think, 'how great he art.' but it will never be said of him, 'How smart thou art.' And thank you Tony Alamo! Keep on talking! |
raining
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Read what Tony Alamo's wife, angel_streit had to say when she came on factnet and defended Tony Alamo.
Posted by angel_streit on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 4:44 pm:
Your postings are full of nothing but lies. I would never stay around a person if they did the things you are accusing Tony of. I am here in this church because I know Tony is a true prophet of God who keeps all of God's commandments. I see with my own eyes that he lives what he preaches. I have never seen any of the things that you say have gone on or are going on because they do not exist. They only exist in your lying imagination. When I think of you the scripture II Thes. 2:11-12 comes to mind "for God shall send them strong delusions that they should believe a lie. That they all might be damned who believe not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." This describes you perfectly because all you have posted here are lies. You say that just because we work around Tony we are his whores. I never have been a whore and never will be! You also would call Mary Magdalene, Martha, and all the other women that hung around the Lord whores too, wouldn't you? What I do with my life is keep all of God's commandments. I don't have time to sit around and read your trash! I am too busy getting a work for the Lord done while you are busy trying to do a work for the devil.
Angel Streit |
heynow
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Hmm, Looks like all the Streits are true foundationists |
raining
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Posted by Wilma Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 7:39 pm:
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Angel,
It really is pathetic how Tony Alamo is making all his "sex partner girls" get on this message board to say that you haven't ever had sex with Tony. I wonder how it makes you feel to have to get on here and LIE when you know good and well that we all know you are LYING.
Back in the Fall of 1993 I sat in Tony's living room in Ft Smith and listened to him drone on about how God gave you to him as his "wife". You're wife #7, right??? Tony told us in the room how he had been writing a new tract and every time the other "wives" would read a scripture with the word "ANGEL" in it, he would think of YOU. Tony said he just couldn't get YOU off of his mind. Tony said that was God's way of telling him that you were to be his next "wife". Yes, that's what Tony Alamo called you, his wife. I heard it with my own ears as I sat in his living room. All your lies won't change that.
You do know that NO ONE believes you, don't you? |
raining
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Posted by Raining on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 8:06 pm:
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Angel
In the above post you wrote:
"Your postings are full of nothing but lies. I would never stay around a person if they did the things you are accusing Tony of, I have never seen any of the things that you say have gone on or are going on because they do not exist. They only exist in your lying imagination. "
Angel, you must not fear God as much as you say you do! Lying is a sin and the Bible says "No Liar" shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven.
I know for a fact you are one of Tony's wives!
You were with Tony in Memphis when Tony Alamo, myself,Sue B, Sharon, Lydia, Jeannie and Lizzy all had dinner at the Peabody Hotel. I remember when he put his arms around you, Jeanne, Lizzy and the rest of his wives that were present, and asked us to take a picture of him and all his wives. So you all leaned over and kissed him on the check as the picture was being taken!
Angel are you saying that the beatings on Georgia Ridge didn't happen?
Don't lie - I saw you there - you know kids got stretched out spread eagle and beat with the board of education. Bob Streit, you step-dad, was 1 of the main administrators of punishment. |
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Posted by Raining on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 8:38 am:
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there was a story on the local news (3/6/06) that an arrest occured at the Tony Alamo Church in Fort Smith, AR. The police stopped a wedding in progress between a 34 year old man and a 13 year old girl. An anonymous tip to local police led to police arriving at the church.
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End of News story.
There are Raining's words:
Here is another example of Tony Alamo's perversions being followed by his followers. He is turning his followers into pedophile's just like him. Grown men raping little girls! |
wilma
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Just to set the record straight...although the police got an anonymous tip and showed up at the church right after the wedding, Vern Jordan warned the newly married couple to make a run for it. No arrests were made. Open_mind posted a clarification of that recently.
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Here's an article of interest:
Buffalo News Jun 9, 1994
Evangelist Tony Alamo was convicted on tax- evasion charges and jailed after prosecutors argued he was a flight risk and a polygamist who preyed on married women and girls in his congregation.
A federal jury Wednesday convicted Alamo of understating his personal income in 1985 and failing to file tax returns from 1986 to 1988.
He faces up to six years in prison and fines of $550,000. U.S. District Judge Jon McCalla ordered Alamo jailed pending an Aug. 26 sentencing, citing concern over "the very great control Mr. Alamo has over a number of people."
Alamo, 59, formed a ministry for drug abusers and the homeless more than 20 years ago that eventually grew into a multimillion-dollar enterprise with a string of businesses, primarily in Arkansas, Tennessee and California.
Prosecutor Christopher Belcher said the businesses earned more than $9 million over four years.
Alamo argued he owed no taxes because he had no salary.
He said the businesses financed his Christian ministry and the church supported him as its spiritual leader.
He has declined to say how many members his church has.
After the jury's verdict, Belcher requested Alamo's immediate imprisonment, saying he might flee before sentencing and that he poses a threat to his followers.
Federal officials said Alamo has married eight of his followers since early 1993, including girls who were 15 years old and women who already had husbands.
"He threw the husbands out of the church and took the wives," Belcher said.
One of the girls was told that unless she married Alamo her family would be expelled from the church, he said.
Since the trial was on tax charges, the jury did not hear testimony on the sex and polygamy allegations.
Belcher said such offenses would fall under state laws against statutory rape in Tennessee and Arkansas.
Defense lawyer Jeffrey Dickstein argued that polygamy claims were no reason to jail Alamo before sentencing.
He also plans to appeal the conviction.
Alamo, who has filed for bankruptcy in Arkansas, also faces a state child-abuse charge in California, where he is accused of directing the beating of a church member's 11-year-old son.
Alamo's church and its businesses once operated out of a compound near Alma, Ark. The Holy Alamo Christian Church is now based in Canyon Country, Calif., near Los Angeles.
Gee...I wonder why Tony never let us read that article when we lived at the Foundation... |
raining
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Now read Moonflower's(Mishael, who is one of Tony Alamo's many wives) response to this post:
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Posted by Moonflower on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 5:05 pm:
Just to set the record straight there was no marriage in the church that night, and the police never broke up any marriage, and there was no arrest. No marriage license was applied for, nor was any marriage consummated. The person you say got married was thrown out of the church that very day before the police showed up at the church because of some phony tip. If you think that she is not a virgin, then maybe the health department should go over to her house and have her checked. This will prove that you people are bald face liars. |
wilma
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WEll, yeah, duh, of course we know no marriage license was applied for. They don't do that. Tony sure isn't going to apply for a marriage license before he rapes a little ten year old girl either. According to "open_mind", who was there, the wedding had already taken place and they were all in the kitchen opening wedding presents when the police showed up. That's when Vern told them to make a run for it.
We all know Mishael lies for Tony. We also know she has been instructed by Tony to beat the other wives. I hear they all hate her for it too. WE all know she stood there and did nothing while Tony beat up and mopped the floor with her 4 year old son by Kenya. Sad, very sad. |
raining
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Here is a post from an ex-member who was at that under-age wedding that according to Moonflower ( one of Tony's wives - claims didn't happen_ LIAR)
Posted by open-mind on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 12:05 am:
well the man that was going to marry Leah ,his name is Jonathan Hester, he is an ex convict and recently got out of jail for some street gang thing he used to be in. They had already said the vows and went to open gifts when Vern Jordan came in the cafe and told him to run because the cops were there at the front door. So him and Leah ran, the rest of us were instructed to hurry and put away any evidence of a wedding, and tell the cops there was no wedding. so we did.
Leah and her mom got put out of the church for telling her sister Laura about the wedding. |
bintheredunthat
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That sounds like alamo alright. No matter how faithful you are to him when the chips are down he's going to throw you to the wolves. Here's this mother sacrificing her daughter because of alamos orders but when it becomes public and he realizes that he could be implicated he doesn't hesitate to toss her and her daughter and start lying and having his cultic brain dead folowers denying everything. |
dyann
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FLDS/Warren Jeffs was careful not to file a State Marriage license and he had how many wives?. It didn't stop him from getting convicted of rape. There are worse things than polygamy convictions.
Run! Hide! You Reprobate! *lmao* |
dyann
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Um, correct me if my diagnosis per DSM is wrong here but I'm pretty certain End_Time just gave a complete list of symptoms displayed by a sociopath with extreme paranoia,narcistic, psychotic behaviour.
*standing ovation for Rainings exhaustive and illustrious research once again*
....you're pretty decent at illumination yourself Wilma.
Infact, I belive we are all doing a wonderul job at exposing and unveiling the True Demon on this board. |
jackrussell
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When the ole rat finaly gets cornered and the law really starts to close in, what will the Tony Alamo defense be under the auspices of Dewey Cheatum & Howe be?
It will be the decrepid old man defense. Weak, blind and so sickly, please pity this poor ole man. No, no, no, not on your life! |
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Raining - Thank You!
End_Time - ditto
dyann, anchored, and bro d,
I agree. There was a constant pattern. Whenever this kind of relavant information was posted, the distractors started a new line. It worked for awhile, but as they say; The old boy is exposed now.
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I realised something when I read the repost written by Angel Streit.
Angel said, " You say that just because we work around Tony we are his whores. I never have been a whore and never will be! You also would call Mary Magdalene, Martha, and all the other women that hung around the Lord whores too, wouldn't you?"
Tony Alamo is preaching to these girls, that our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, was a polygamist!!
Angel does not think she is lying!
She never denied having sex with Tony Alamo!
Of course, if asked, point blank, if she is a wife, she could use Tony Alamo's justification. She could say, "No." while thinking to herself, "not legally in this world." His wives would not consider this lying.
PS; Jack, loved the term, "Ludicrosity." Had to look it up.
ludicrosity (noun) : The quality or state of being ludicrous
Ex: Because of his poor planning, the idea of meeting the proposed deadline was thrust into ludicrosity. |
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