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     raining Intermediate Member Username: raining Post Number: 136 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.237.89.98 |
ALAMO SLAVE LABOR CAMPS aka (Tony Alamo Christian Foundation) In the 1970’s the Alamo Ministries owned a printing shop, grocery store, restaurant, service station, hog farm, trucking firm and began manufacturing an “Alamo” line of clothing. The “employees” of these operations were Alamo Foundation volunteers who had pledged to work as their “service unto the Lord”. In return, according to Tony Alamo, the workers received room and board, training, healthcare, and had all of their other basic necessities met. All Alamo Foundation members (with outside employment) were asked to turn over their paychecks and assets to further the work of the ministry. Just one of the Alamo Ministries’ many, million dollar enterprises was their rhinestone studded clothing sewing houses. They unlawfully used free labor, hundreds of Alamo followers, including small children. In the 1980s, in particular, the children spent hours (daily) setting rhinestones for Alamo Designs, depriving them of a quality education. Alamo used free labor in the sewing houses and salvage business, as well. THE TRUTH Workers received room and board? In California in the early 70’s, single men and women were forced to share small living quarters called “dormitories”. The conditions were challenging; often toilets didn’t flush, water was supplied by truck so often there was no water, not enough beds, so people slept in sleeping bags in rows on floors. Married couples lived in one room “shacks”. Later, families were housed in one or two bedroom apartments, no matter how large the family. In later years, in Arkansas, small homes were built for the families, but this was only after the horrible conditions had been publicized. For years, Susan Alamo did not allow people to sit on their living room furniture so that reporters could record the “superb” conditions. Training: Bible training (the Alamo brand of hellfire and brimstone) was the usual form of training that was given. There were daily Bible groups one had to attend, two services a day (morning and evening) and members were assigned to one hour of prayer daily for the prayer chain. Job training was given to those too young to have worked before they joined, for a skill that benefited the group. Healthcare: Only given in emergency situations. No annual check-ups, no dental check-ups, or sick visits. Emergencies only. Basic Necessities: Food was provided three times a day in the church cafeteria. Food consisted of donated out-dated grocery store rejects and salvage food. If men or women needed personnel hygiene items they were expected to “ASK TONY” or buy them with the $5 per week allowance that was handed out every Sunday after church. Penalties: Ordered mandatory fasting and fines (that could equal the total weekly $5 allowance), as well as physical abuse for minor infractions. JUSTICE In 1976, when ex-members cried out for an investigation, the Labor department brought charges against Alamo that his lack of financial recompense to his employees was a violation of the Fair Labor Standard Act. Alamo lost his suit and lost in appeal to the US Supreme Court in 1985. In that same year, the IRS moved against Alamo’s church, (Then incorporated as Music Square Church) and revoked its tax exempt status retroactively for the years of 1977-1980. | ||
| raining Intermediate Member Username: raining Post Number: 137 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.237.89.98 |
CHILD ABUSE Over the next few years, Tony Alamo was besieged with lawsuits and controversy. In 1988 he ordered the beating of an 11 year old child (Justin Miller) in the community, via speaker phone, ordering four male followers to hold the child spread eagle while being struck vigorously 140 times with a large wooden paddle, while Justin’s mother looked on. On March 25, 1988, this prompted a raid on the Saugus, California compound. Justin Miller was removed by the state and returned to his father, who had left the cult months earlier. Ex-members were starting to come forward with their stories that Alamo wielded such control over his followers that he literally would split up families and rearrange marriages at will. In September of the same year, Robert and Carey Miller, who were the operators of the Church’s trucking company, alleged that Alamo had embezzled $100,000 and essentially stole the trucking company from them. Meanwhile, Tony’s clothing company, Alamo Designs, was suffering from the bad public relations due to the publicity that exposed his human right’s abuses (slave labor) in the creating of the designer clothing. JUSTICE Tony Alamo did not appear in court in 1990 to answer the charges involving the trucking company (because he was afraid he would end up in jail). The court ruled in default and a judgment was given against him. That same year, The United States District Court in Fort Smith, Arkansas awarded over $1 million to Carey and Robert Miller and their families, all formerly associated with “World Pastor” Tony Alamo. A key charge in the suit involved the assertion that Tony Alamo put on “public” exhibitions of corporal punishment, in the form of paddling, upon minor children; and the proof amply showed that Justin Miller, while being restrained by four adult men, was struck vigorously 140 times with a large wooden paddle by a grown man. The evidence further showed that this punishment was inflicted in a room filled with adults and children and was not only painful (Justin's buttocks were bleeding) but humiliating in the extreme. Simultaneously, the IRS had filed liens for nearly 8 Million dollars for church-business income taxes, and employee withholding. The IRS within the year seized the Alamo businesses and communal properties all over the country3. In February of 1993, a Memphis grand jury indicted Alamo on charges of filing a false income tax return for 1985, and failing to file tax returns for the years of 1986, 1987 and 1988. In April of 1993, Alamo was arrested, and one year later, in May of 1994, his trial began before U.S. District Judge Jon P. McCalla. On June 8, 1994, Alamo was convicted of all four tax charges and sentenced to six years in prison. | ||
| raining Intermediate Member Username: raining Post Number: 139 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.237.89.98 |
THE TRUTH POLYGAMY, SEXUAL ABUSE, AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE In 1989 Alamo married Sharon Kroopf, in her late 30’s at the time. She married Tony, who at the time was a fugitive, in hiding from charges of felony child abuse in California. Tony and Sharon had a son, Sion, together in the summer of 1991, while Tony was in jail awaiting trial for threatening Federal Judge Morris Arnold. In California in February 1993 Tony Alamo took Lydia Willis, an African American, as a second wife. Lydia was in her early 30's. They have a son, Tabor, together. She and her son are mistreated more than the others and are both referred to as “••••••” by Alamo. A woman in Tony’s house witnessed the following: “Lydia was sitting beside me one night in Tony's office. She was reading something to Tony and messed up on her wording, so Tony got up from his chair and stormed over to me and Lydia and punched her in the face so hard that we both fell backwards. She tried to crawl away from him and that only made him madder. He grabbed her pant leg and pulled her back and continued to punch her. Then he stopped and went back to his chair like nothing ever happened and made Lydia come back and sit down and made her finish reading to Tony, as blood was gushing out of her mouth where Tony had beat her. He would not let anyone even give her a Kleenex or washcloth to help stop the bleeding. He said he wanted to see that “black ••••••” try and talk with her face and mouth all swollen. To Tony it was entertaining.” Lydia often reads responses on Alamo’s radio broadcast. | ||
| raining Intermediate Member Username: raining Post Number: 140 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.237.89.98 |
In California in February 1993 Tony Alamo “married” Jody. She was 17 years old. Her Testimony: “Tony began talking about the flames of hell and how someone in the room wasn't listening to God and marrying him and such. Well, the only other person in the room besides me would be him on most occasions when he would talk about these things. After hearing him say all this stuff, how I was going to die very shortly and go to hell. I finally told him crying that I lived my life for God and I wanted to do God's will. He then made arrangements to take me to Palm Springs to "marry" me. I was terrified and asked to call my mom back in Arkansas. Tony told me I could not and he would make sure I never saw my family again unless I "consummated" the marriage. He even threatened to have some of the "brothers" drive me out to the desert and leave me there unless I slept with him. It was February 15th. Niki R. was there in Palm Springs. She knew how awful it was for me. I was dry heaving and couldn't sleep for days (found out lack of sleep was something I needed to become accustomed to later). The consummation didn't happen for a while, but I knew he would sooner or later force himself. That did happen, and at first it was awful. I would cry the whole time. But in time I learned a very valuable trick on "my nights" with Tony. I learned how to separate myself from myself. I would actually allow my mind to take me elsewhere during that time. That is why he went around telling people that sleeping with me was like sleeping with a corpse and that I didn't like sex so something was wrong with me. Tony was very careful when he took me for a wife. He didn't want the church to know because the idea of polygamy wasn't accepted by his following yet. It later became pretty common knowledge around the church. Anyway, after a few months went by, I saw Tony take, Isabel, Misheal (breaking up their marriage and taking her for himself), Tami (breaking up their marriage and taking her for himself as well), and Angel”. Jody left Tony and the Foundation in Dec 1993 and was a witness for the IRS in the tax case in June 1994. In California in 1993 Isabel Mendoza became another Alamo “wife” at age 19. In 1993 Misheal Jones Williams became Tony’s “wife” at 18 years old. She was already married to Kenya Williams (African American) and pregnant with his child at the time. Alamo kicked Kenya out of the group and took his wife. Kenya was the son of Diana Elena Williams Alamo, a legal ex-wife of Alamo's. Jordan (Kenya’s son) was born in Alamo's house and Alamo currently refers to him as “the •••••••” and “the ••••••”. There are witnesses that can verify that Alamo, in a rage, cruelly beat and kicked Jordan. (Diane Elana Williams Alamo testified against Tony in the IRS trial which could account for the revenge of taking Kenya's wife and his hatred of the child). Misheal is still there and often reads the responses on Tony’s radio broadcast. | ||
| raining Intermediate Member Username: raining Post Number: 141 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.237.89.98 |
In California, on October 15, 1993 Tami became Tony’s “wife” at age 17. She was already married at the time to Randy and they had a small baby. Tony kicked Randy out of the group and then took his wife and child. Tami’s Testimony: “In summer of next year (1994), he was incarcerated on charges by the IRS. That story is a book in itself, but now I was living in even more trauma. He had amassed twelve wives by now. Twelve women locked in a house, day in and day out. The only thing we could count on was his phone calls, ever increasing, always a ride. We were God’s chosen on one day. We were blessed, everyone was the most beautiful, and we were on top of the world. The next day, we were the scum of the earth, unworthy, cut off. We never knew if we might find ourselves sitting in a house that was not paid for, with no food, and no money. We needn’t have worried. Then, I thought he was God’s best friend. Now I know he depended on us to give him his power. I slept, but I never slept. I ate, but the food went right through me. In my dreams I ran away. In the daytime I pretended. After two and a half years, I began to wake up. I believed in God still. I cried to him every day. I was thousands of miles away from my family. I had no money. I was only nineteen. I didn’t know how to run away with my baby, but that is what I desperately needed to do. I knew it”. Tami left Tony and the group in January 1996 and shortly thereafter reunited with her husband, Randy. In 1993 Angel Streit became a “wife” in Arkansas at age 20. Her mother Suzanne and step-father, Bob Streit, are still with the Alamo group. In Arkansas in January 1994, Elizabeth “Lizzy” Gutierrez became Tony’s “wife”. She had just turned 16 years old. She bore a child to Tony, a girl, Antoinette, in June of 2001. Lizzy and her parents were threatened with expulsion from the group and eternal damnation if they did not comply with Alamo’s demand for her virginity. In Arkansas in January 1994, Jeannette Marie Orlando became another Alamo “wife” at age 15. Her parents, Joey and Lenore Orlando, were kicked out of the group a few years later. Tony consummated the "marriage" in all of the above relationships. He never got marriage licenses but to his congregation he refers to these women/girls as his wives and he gave them all wedding rings. | ||
| raining Intermediate Member Username: raining Post Number: 142 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.237.89.98 |
In May & June of 1994 - IRS trial in Memphis, Tennessee resulting in Alamo's conviction and incarceration in Federal prison. Tony lived in Memphis, TN with his “harem” during the trial proceedings. In November of 1994 he was moved to Federal prison in Florence, Colorado. His “harem” moved to Colorado Springs, Colorado at the end of Nov 1994. Right before (and during the time Tony was incarcerated in Colorado) (approx Nov 94 to late 95) the following girls joined his household (and visited him regularly in prison): Eliza V., at 8 yrs old, came to Tony's wives' house in Sept 1994 while he was in Memphis jail, under the pretense of being a playmate for Tony's stepdaughter, Becky Kroopf (Cunneen). Eliza was being “groomed” as a wife and Tony was constantly asking if she had reached puberty yet. She visited him in Colorado prison and was fondled by him and subjected to vile sex talk there. She left Colorado and the Alamo group at the end of 1995 with her family. Katrina F. was 11 years old when she was at Alamo's wives house in Memphis and later in Colorado. She also went there under the pretense of being a playmate for Tony’s stepdaughter, Becky. Alamo told Katrina that she was his “wife”. She visited Alamo in prison in Colorado, was fondled, and subjected to vile sex talk. During this time Tony Alamo would not allow her to go home to her parents. She and her family have been out of the Alamo cult since 1996. Cindi Jo F. was married and had two children (and was pregnant) when her husband was kicked out of the group. When he was kicked out Alamo demanded that Cindi Jo come to live with the “harem” in Colorado. She was being groomed as a wife. “His message to me was if I didn’t become one of the wives, my daughter would die. In my state of mind, (brainwashed) I believed him. I agreed to become one of the wives. Shortly after, I was sent a pass to the prison.” She visited Tony in prison and was subjected to vile sex talk. (She left the group in 1995.) In Dec 1995 Tony was moved to Federal prison in Texarkana, Arkansas. In July 1998 Alamo was moved to a halfway house in Texarkana. In Dec 1998 he was released from prison. | ||
| raining Intermediate Member Username: raining Post Number: 143 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.237.89.98 |
Tony Alamo is a pedophile (raping, molesting & fondling young female children). He molests and rapes girls as young as 8 years old, then calls them his “wife” and proceeds to brag about “how tight they were” on his pulpit all the while professing to be a holy man of God. Tony Alamo is an abuser of under age children. He orchestrates and sanctions the marriages between young female children and older men. A few cases are: Jackie Garner at 12 years old was married to Dale Shono (a 30 year old). Wendy Tiner married at 12 yrs old to a much older man. Rachel Scheff at 13 years old married to Tom Neverdal (age 22), an illegal alien from Europe. On March 5th 2006 the Ft. Smith, Arkansas police department was alerted to an illegal wedding between 13yr old Leah Willis to a 34 year old ex-convict. Alamo’s followers are so afraid of being kicked out of the group, put on extended fasts, or beaten that they willingly do whatever tyranny he dictates, including giving these men their young, innocent 12 and 13 year old daughters as brides. Tony Alamo is a striker (has ordered the brutal beatings of countless men, women, and children for well over 35 years and in some instances administering the beatings himself). He has been drunk on numerous occasions, at which point he beat and/or raped one or more of his many wives all the while professing to be a holy man of God. Tony Alamo is a plagiarist (changing a few paragraphs then claiming authorship of Fred John Meldau’s the Messiah Book) all the while professing to be a holy man of God. Tony Alamo is a deceiver for profit. His organization, Arm Full of Help, is a front to fund his lavish lifestyle, his radio broadcasts, and the enormous amounts of literature produced and distributed annually to propagate his radical agenda. Tony Alamo is an opportunist. He uses his followers for his own gain by taking all that they have and leaving them no way out (even if they wanted out) and living lavishly off of their efforts. They give him everything and get beaten, starved, and raped in return and they call him “World Pastor”. They obey his every wish. | ||
| raining Intermediate Member Username: raining Post Number: 144 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.237.89.98 |
all the above posts are taken from: http://aslamo.blogspot.com/ Go and read the entire blog about "world pervert" tony alamo. WARNING: Don't be scared away by the very evil looking person at the beginning of the blog - it is tony alamo & all his fake pearly whites! Read and warn the world about this Tony Alamo - a wolf in sheep's clothing! Much thanks to whoever created this blogspot: http://aslamo.blogspot.com/ it's kinda like new york,new york. Such a great site! That it needed to be posted again! | ||
| raining Intermediate Member Username: raining Post Number: 145 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.106.133.173 |
Here is parts of an old post that was posted by Becca Sue Levy: Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 My name is Rebecca Sue (Levy) Gay. I was born February 26. When I was two my family was moved to Arkansas. The first few years of my life are kind of uneventful. I do remember my dad having to leave in the middle of the night for night watch. Also, I remember my parents being called to Tony and Susies house in the middle of the night because of reports. I remember when I was 5 and in kindergarten in Dyer, Arkansas (1980) Tony and Susie would make frequent visits to the school. Tony was our principal. I remember his paddle. It was big and had holes drilled in it. I was told the holes made the paddle move more air and was supposed to make it sting more, which was the goal. I remember TONY ALAMO, himself coming and beating kids severely for everything from talking back to a teacher, to bad grades (C's, D˜s and Fs), to lying or cheating on tests. I think it was at that time when I consciously realized I was not safe. I saw other kids beaten and I was terrified. In addition to being scared to death of the beatings, I remember Carlos and Miguel getting beaten with an actual horse whip¦ I recall sitting in the cafeteria eating dinner when Erik Ondersak came back from the Spec House (Tony's mansion). We moved over for him to sit down and he physically was unable to even sit down. He was beaten so severely with a wooden board that he was unable to sit for days! I was there, I saw that with my eyes. In 1986 and 1987 I was at the Spec House (in Arkansas) SEVERAL times when Tylon Willis, Aaron Willis, Tyrone, Benji Risha, Jarred Balsley, Jason Balsley, Katie Decker, Angela Greiner, Kimberly Ondersak, (and maybe a few others who at this moment I cannot recall) were ORDERED to be beaten BY TONY ALAMO. (they were beaten for disrupting class, making jokes during teaching time, bad grades and talking) Now when I say beaten¦ let me just paint a picture for you¦. One large man would get on each kids limb. That's right one person holding each arm and each leg¦ For those who can't count, that means FOUR adults holding these kids, suspended in mid air, while yet another adult takes a board and beats them the number of times issued by Tony Alamo. Oh, and in case you want to know how count was kept, the kids had to count their swats, and if they lost count the count would start over. Tony had a thing for the number 40. He issued lots of 40 swats. continued next post | ||
| raining Intermediate Member Username: raining Post Number: 146 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.106.133.173 |
continued from above post by Becca Sue Levy: Posted on Thursday, November 03, 200. One night this poor black kid, who was drug into the church by his parents who were eager to serve God got beaten. He was weeping and told Tony he was sorry. Tony said that God told him Tyrone was lying and Tony said, 40 more! So poor Tyrone got 40 more swats! Tony then had Aaron and Tylons mom take Tyrone and Aaron and Tylon who were also beaten in to the bathroom and these boys had to pull down their pants. If they weren't bleeding they got more swats. Bethany Decker who was 14 or 15 at the time started to cry because the screams and the sound of the board hitting these kids was just unbearable, Shelly Borak told Bethany Decker that if she did not stop crying she would tell ALAMO that Bethany was crying for the bad kids, and crying meant her loyalty was to them and not to God. Shelly told Bethany it would be her next. I was there, I was personally right there when this was said and done. UNFRIKKEN REAL huh! What is hard for most people to fathom is that when Tony Alamo gave orders, they were followed. It wasn't even a matter of, Do you want to obey? you just did. Everyone obeyed. Tony controlled everything. If you needed clothing you had to ask Tony. If you needed to go t a Dr. you had to ask Tony. If you wanted to get married you had to ask Tony. If you saw someone who was not conforming completely to all of the ever changing rules you had to report them to Tony. There was a whole system for the cult to run properly, by Tony. He had everyone under his direct authority. The adults obeyed like they were little children. They never questioned Tony and they never said no. I watched grown men stand and watch other grown men literally bloody their children's bottoms and the dads would stand there and not lift a finger to help their own yelping children. WHY you ask???? Because they were conditioned to OBEY orders! Conditioned by fear, fear, and more fear, of yeah and twisted scriptural references. That also played a role in the obedience factor. What must be established here, on this board is a pattern of Tony giving orders and people who are so brain washed they follow even the most absurd orders. Keep reading, I'll show you what I mean. Later on in 1987 (or 88) Tony really started to push his control. I believe he wanted to see how far he could go. I think he was testing the limits. He began to have the adults beaten with the same boards that the kids were beaten with¦ Pete Kortez, Pam Kortez, and several others were literally spanked. These were full grown adults, mind you. These adults were so obedient and loyal to Alamo they physically bent over and did not move while they were SPANKED by a board to the number of swats that was issued. Also, at this time Tony decided to start SMITING people. He would have them stand and not move while another person literally hit them in the face as many times as ALAMO issued. These are not rumors. I saw this with my own eyes. I was personally smitten 4 times for asking a Bible question. God told Tony I was mocking him by asking the question. Oh and by the way, Tony Alamo never was able to answer my question. Everything I said is true, not hear say, not a rumor, it is 100% unadulterated truth. I can stand before God knowing that I did not lie, at all. | ||
| modesto Intermediate Member Username: modesto Post Number: 223 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.72.69 |
Raining, You mean you actually got HIT by Tony's command?Four times?!!!! | ||
| raining Intermediate Member Username: raining Post Number: 150 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.106.133.173 |
Posted by Becca Sue Levy: Posted on Thursday, November 03, 200. No I didn't get hit, but the author of that post, Becca Sue, did. I found her post on an old thread and felt the post was to informative to leave buried. I had to bring it forward again. My sons were beaten bloody by the command of Tony Alamo! | ||
| alanb Member Username: alanb Post Number: 75 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 71.43.101.25 |
Raining, PLease get in touch with me via your Yahoo e-mail. I lost the address when the first group went down. Thanks Alan | ||
| floridian Intermediate Member Username: floridian Post Number: 231 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.170.109.133 |
Hi Alanb,sorry I forgot to say Hi yesterday..How are william and yourself? | ||
| open_mind New member Username: open_mind Post Number: 25 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.178.128.46 |
i heard that recently Tony Calagna (TC)got a beating because he forgot the reason why he got put out of the church the last time,however after the beating he still didnt remember. | ||
| smitty Member Username: smitty Post Number: 87 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
???? o_p, where did you hear about that? Is he still married to Barbara? | ||
| worm_can_opener Intermediate Member Username: worm_can_opener Post Number: 168 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 69.150.73.22 |
ADULTS, being beaten with paddles ?? what a disgrace, to bend over, at the evil command of the blood-thirsty toni alamo, and "take your punishment" shame on every one who ever succumbed to something as ridiculous as that !! | ||
| raining Intermediate Member Username: raining Post Number: 156 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.106.132.92 |
Open-mind How many swats did TC get? How long ago did he get beat? Did that child abusing pedophile, Tony Alamo, who is the leader of the Tony Alamo New Jerusalem Ministries have TC supended in mid-air spread eagle for his swats? Who was the swatter? Is TC & Barbie still inside the foundation? Do they have any contact with their daughter Joy, son-in-law Tony and their grandchildren? Tony Alamo, the destroyer of families that God put together! | ||
| open_mind Junior Member Username: open_mind Post Number: 29 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 70.178.128.46 |
joy way told me that her dad got beat not too long ago,i dont know by who or how many. yes the calagnas are still in the church. | ||
| heynow Intermediate Member Username: heynow Post Number: 215 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.64.102 |
Oh boy, the smite thing again. No body smites me because I SMITE BACK. LOL. Don't let me near that paddle because, I will be doing the paddling LOL. Also, I stood toe to toe with tony a. (in person NOT on the phone) and told him what I thought about him. No one on this board did that. Of course I was granted a free ride to the beautiful beach resort of Santa Monica California. Where the mountains meet the sea. No one on this board has been personally (NOT on the phone and NOT by a messenger) told to leave the foundation by tony. I clearly hold this distinction. | ||
| phahrrrt_detector Junior Member Username: phahrrrt_detector Post Number: 31 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 85.234.144.215 |
do b care-full mistah heynow u woodent wunt 2 swell n2 uh puff-tode now wood u ? iht woodent b da furst time now wood iht ? uh bruthuz key-pur Phahrrrt detecter | ||
| heynow Intermediate Member Username: heynow Post Number: 218 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.64.102 |
Pharrt use the spell check. Email me at thizizit@hotmail.com and I will gladly help you with the spell check or any spelling assistance. Hmmm Looks like I am correct. Not a soul on this board has personally told tony what they thought of him. I guess no one here had the guts. It is amazing. Also, no one here was personally told to leave (NOT on the phone and NOT by messenger) by tony in person. | ||
| smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 106 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
I didn't have to wait for Tony to ask me.The lord allowed me to wake up and smell the coffee and leave. In addition,I think he allowed us all to leave in the manner and at the time that HE chose, so we shouldn't hold it against any other brother or sister why or how they left. | ||
| smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 107 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 207.200.113.50 |
I didn't have to wait for Tony to ask me.The lord allowed me to wake up and smell the coffee and leave. In addition,I think he allowed us all to leave in the manner and at the time that HE chose, so we shouldn't hold it against any other brother or sister why or how they left. | ||
| smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 108 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
I didn't have to wait for Tony to ask me.The lord allowed me to wake up and smell the coffee and leave. In addition,I think he allowed us all to leave in the manner and at the time that HE chose, so we shouldn't hold it against any other brother or sister why or how they left. | ||
| smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 109 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
I didn't have to wait for Tony to ask me.The lord allowed me to wake up and smell the coffee and leave. In addition,I think he allowed us all to leave in the manner and at the time that HE chose, so we shouldn't hold it against any other brother or sister why or how they left. | ||
| smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 110 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
I didn't have to wait for Tony to ask me.The lord allowed me to wake up and smell the coffee and leave. In addition,I think he allowed us all to leave in the manner and at the time that HE chose, so we shouldn't hold it against any other brother or sister why or how they left. | ||
| mixter1 Intermediate Member Username: mixter1 Post Number: 234 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 76.214.26.52 |
Hi Smitty, Good point. I have never heard this point addressed. -Mix | ||
| anchored Intermediate Member Username: anchored Post Number: 233 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 |
Personally, I'm glad the Lord showed me, himself. | ||
| heynow Intermediate Member Username: heynow Post Number: 219 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.64.102 |
Yes, there is a difference between leaving and being asked to leave. I guess it really depends on how tony feels about you. Not, necessarily how you feel about him. If you leave I am sure he would invite you back. However if you "spoke your peace" with tony like I did, then of course you would not be invited back because, it will be evident to him he will not be able to control you. That is the distiction I was trying to convey on the board. Which of course is quite unique and no one else has it. Oh yes I would like to squeeze in a prophecy or two in here. Even though I offered to help phart with his spelling he will continue to write posts laden with mispelled words. Won't seem too literate but, I tryed to help. Also, I mentioned I am the only current poster that "spoke my peace" with tony and was asked to leave (NOT by phone and NOT by messenger) by tony. Chances are I will get some personal attacks from some board posters. Anyway those are the prophesies of the day. | ||
| smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 111 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
Well..no attacks from here..glad you're on our side tho!.P.S. sorry about the multiple posting, somethings wacky over here(!!??&$%$) | ||
| worm_can_opener Intermediate Member Username: worm_can_opener Post Number: 187 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 70.249.41.91 |
I'm very happy to be out of the snakepit. After being "smuggled out" the way I was, with no money, no job, almost no belongings, waiting for food-boxes to come, stuck there in a motel, with a fake Christian, full of abuse, using COCAINE, I was understandably "down" but I picked myself up out of the mud, eventually escaped from my personal tormenter, and the Lord gave me a fresh start, a brand new life !!! thank you, Jesus !!!! I had been out of the foundation for a long time, mentally, but not physically. I had ceased listening to toni's cassette tapes, didn't know or care what was going on , like fasts, for instance- I thank and praise God for the day we were told to leave, to get lost, to never contact anyone at the "church", ever again. I had hated being there, where every move I made was being dictated by toni alamo, he had even "taken me off driving", because some jealous person finked on me, that I was "just driving around" but, all in all, I'm glad that once I was forbidden to drive my own car anymore, I worked in toni's garage, and in that short period of time, saw so much EVIL, bursting out of toni, so much ANGER and WRATH. he's the worst testimony of "suppossed pastor" I have EVER SEEN !!!! | ||
| smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 112 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
Heynow...your advice finaly got thry my head..I think I got the windows thing while posting... | ||
| no_stoppin_me Member Username: no_stoppin_me Post Number: 83 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.242.140.218 |
Heynow, get over yourself. The fact that you were duped into joining the cult in the first place says alot!! Who cares how you got out, just be thankful you did! I do recall a certain person telling Tony "I will see you in hell" and then walking out the door of the Spec House and packing up!! | ||
| anchored Intermediate Member Username: anchored Post Number: 235 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 |
As far as why we joined in the first place has already been hashed over and over. We all had our reasons. I mean, C'mon- shoulda, coulda, woulda. For the bazillionth time, I know the facts surrounding my own "joining" circumstances and can't speak for others but I recall very vividly at the time it was definitely the Lord drawing me there so there wasn't any "duping" to it. I knew that I had been led by the Lord because I called out to him for 2-3 weeks and the supernatural circumstances (at least to me they were) of my going there were as real as me sitting here writing. No one will ever convince me otherwise. For a while it was good, even Ronald Reagan said we did more to get kids off drugs and off the streets than all the drug rehabilitation centers in the state of California. Then it went sour. But to suggest that it was never good is ridiculous. Tony and Sue's intentions from the beginning? They have to answer for that. That has nothing to do with who I am or what I did. | ||
| no_stoppin_me Member Username: no_stoppin_me Post Number: 85 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.242.140.218 |
Good point, Anchored. I was more so referring to STAYING in the cult AFTER it went bad and seeing with your own eyes the evil. Yes, I know everyone had their reasons and it took different lengths of time for people to figure it out. | ||
| anchored Intermediate Member Username: anchored Post Number: 236 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 |
Thanks no_stoppin. I understand your point. And you have good reason to see it that way. As I have said numerous times before. I stayed thinking I was doing God's will. I was so "spiritually-minded" I couldn't see the trees for the forest. Dave used to say some people were too heavenly-minded to be any earthly good. There again, that's a shoulda, coulda, woulda. But, on the other hand, I'm not too hard on myself for that because I understand the spiritual world and human nature enough to know that one's eyes are easily blinded and it takes time for them to be opened to reality. If you want to call that "duped" then I guess we all were for a season. Some, longer seasons than others. | ||
| anchored Intermediate Member Username: anchored Post Number: 237 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 |
But as far as them there now. I would for sure call that super-duped. There's such a blatant difference between what the Word says and what Tony Alamo is doing, there's no excuse for remaining in that total confusion-ridden hell-hole. | ||
| worm_can_opener Intermediate Member Username: worm_can_opener Post Number: 188 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 70.249.41.91 |
I guess that for me, the icing on the cake was toni doing this big "polygamy promotion" justification for marrying Jody (she's suicidal, she needs my spiritual guidance) defending the polygamy plans he had (some people are going to recieve the accusation that I'm lusting, I don't want to do this, but this is what the Lord is telling me to do) he was having the sisters look up polygamy scriptures, for weeks, so he could put a seal of approval from God on it (and for his perverse polygamy tract, also) Once he had tried those 3 older women, and those marriages failed, he went to teenagers, then little girls, aged 7 and up, second graders, folks !!! then he did that blooper on his "ranting reprobate radio show" saying he knows of SIX YEAR OLDS who have sex 2 or 3 times a day. (surely a 6 year old must be his next intended victim. After her, what ?? a three year old ? a one year old ? THEN what will he go after ? ANIMALS ??) By the time he started all this garbage, the Lord saw that I couldn't take one more day of this reprobate's perversion, and delivered me, his own way, not early, not late, right on time !!!! | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 148 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.152.80.128 |
I stayed because I had a hope and a dream when I came there, and I wanted the dream to be true. I hoped against hope, day in and day out, and when my hopes were dashed one too many times, I left. | ||
| worm_can_opener Intermediate Member Username: worm_can_opener Post Number: 194 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 70.249.41.91 |
I sure had a dream, also, when I first got saved, and moved in, 1 week later. I had been so disgusted with my life, as a sinner. I was finding no truth anywhere, relationships were full of phoniness, no friends seemed for real, but just used me( like for instance, someone to go shopping with ) I wanted to have a purpose to my life, something worth dumping all else for. I trully thought I had found it, at the foundation, that's the only reason I totally accepted the living conditions, the food, the hours we kept, the hot, sticky prayer-room, with no ventilation, sweating in the 3 hour services, and all the "broken-toilet type stuff", I just thought all those things were trials and tribulations from the Lord. Too bad it didn't get better and better, and that the pastors were REAL ONES, instead of money-grabbing-shysters. | ||
| floridian Intermediate Member Username: floridian Post Number: 273 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 74.170.109.133 |
I am glad you hung in there awhile Claudia. |
