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raining
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Username: raining
Post Number: 93
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Posted From: 69.238.20.59
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Whatsoever things are true THINK on these things!
Read the testimonies of these 3 survivors of Tony Alamo's abusive lifestyle.
NIKKI
" I lived in Tony's house for almost 3 years (12-15yrs old). I was forced by Tony and my family to live at his house.".
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He used to have me sit next to him and tell me all sorts sexual tales and things that he'd like to do I actually learned about everything from threesums to how big black guys dicks are from Tony and he would always tell to promise not to tell anyone."
" So June of 99' I was fifteen and I made a phone call to a relative in Chicago to get me out and long story a bit shorter Tony found out and the consequences were horrific he nearly killed (no really) he knocked me unconscious but I was so terrified that he would kill me because I had seen the way he beat the others "
TAMI
"Shortly after Tony kicked my husband Randy out, he declared I was to become one of his wives. I resisted. I did not love him. I didnt even believe in polygamy. I did not want to leave my husband."
" After his pressuring didnt work, he hit me where he knew he would get me: If I didnt marry him, I would go to hell. Something terrible would happen to me. I would die. I would get sick. My daughter would be demon-possessed. "
"On October 15, 1993, I married Tony Alamo. He asked me if I wanted to consummate the marriage. I said no."
" I felt like I was going to vomit. I kept praying for God to deliver me from this mess. "
" I was seventeen. He was sixty-three."
JODIE
"After hearing him say all this stuff, how I was going to die very shortly and go to hell. I finally told him crying that I lived my life for God and I wanted to do God's will.
He then made arrangements to take me to Palm Springs to "marry" me.I was terrified and asked to call my mom back in Arkansas. Tony told me I could not and he would make sure I never saw my family again unless I "consummated" the marriage. He even threatened to have some of the "brothers" drive me out to the desert and leave me there unless I slept with him. "
"I was dry heaving and couldn't sleep for days. I would cry the whole time. "
"Tony was very careful when he took me for a wife. He didn't want the church to know because the idea of polygamy wasn't accepted by his following yet."
" He then told me about Lizzy and because she was so small, it took her three days for him to break her in. "
Thank God Nikki,Tammi, and Jodi have the Godly courage to expose Tony Alamo, that lying, polygamy practicing, child abusing pedophile, false profit! |
raining
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Posted on Factnet - Friday, October 28, 2005 - Katrina
Here is what I know regarding Tony Alamo: I came to the foundation a long time ago and I really got saved and filled with the Holy Spirit and dedicated my life to serving the Lord Jesus Christ. Throughout the years I kept my eyes glued on God and minded my own business. To make a long story short, about 10 years ago, during the time when Tony Alamo was in prison he had asked if my 12 year old daughter, Katrina could come and stay at his house to be a companion to his stepdaughter, Rebecca, who also had been a good friend to my daughter. They were to be home schooled together. It sounded fine to my daughter and me.
At first I heard regularly from my daughter but after awhile I stopped being contacted. This started to really bother me so I told Tony I wanted her back home. Of course Tony rebuked me and told me I was interfering with God's will. Much to my relief my daughter was sent home shortly after the rebuke from Tony Alamo.
After Katrina returned home I was told by her the most horrifying story I had ever heard about Tony Alamo. The perverted things he was doing and the appalling things that he had poisoned my daughter with.
When she would go to the prison along with other little girls, ages ranging anywhere from 11 years to 17 years, Tony would not talk to them about the Bible, like I would expect, but rather Tony Alamo would tell them that they were to be his wives...some already were!! He warned them not to tell their parents, because they wouldnt understand and may cause a scene!
Katrina was given explicit details of everything from oral sex, how Tony and his other little-girl wives were going to have threesomes once he was out of prison, he also bragged about the (supposed) size of his penis, and many other disgusting pornographic subjects that would repel any decent adult. This little girl who never watched TV or heard a cuss word was freaked out by the things Papa Tony told her. Katrina would tell me how, when in the prison visiting room, the girls would take turns being shields and keeping their eyes open for the guards while Tony would reach his dirty, perverted hands up the girls blouses, etc!
Needless, to say I was sickened beyond description upon learning these sordid details and moved fast and far away from that horrid place very soon afterwards. I don't like to think about Tony and the atrocities that are, to this day taking place there still, and from what I hear, are more brazen and bad than ever before.
I felt it was my responsibility as someone who knew first hand of the truths regarding this perverted Tony Alamo. To share it, if peradventure, it could help someone out. I know my little 12 year old girl did not make that stuff up; she heard it from the self-proclaimed 'world pastor, Tony Alamo'. I am thankful to the Lord Jesus from the depths of my heart for delivering my family out of the Alamo Foundation. It truly does amaze and sadden me that some mothers and fathers, some still in the Alamo Foundation and that they would allow their precious little girls to be offered up to that perverted, child molesting old man...to have sex with and be subject to his deviate sexual abuses.
Imagine yourselves for one moment back when you were 10. 11, 12 years old and your own mom or dad forcing you to marry a 70 some year old man and have him on top of you, raping you! |
raining
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Post Number: 95
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Posted on Factnet Sunday March 19, 2006
I, Cindi Jo Angulo, (aka Cindi Jo Franckiewicz) was born and raised in the Tony and Susan Alamo Christian Foundation. I am the oldest of four siblings. Knowing no other life, I thought my life was good. We had our own school, cafeteria, recreational center and ,of course ,church. As I got older things started to change. Tonys wife, Susan had passed away and Tony remarried. I remember vividly playing on the playground and seeing Tonys limo pull up. He got out with his expensive furs and diamonds. His wife decked out as well. Everybody stood around him as if he were God. Thats when things really started to change. Tony, shortly afterwards, remarried and then remarried again. He was going through one wife after another.
Things started to change for the worse. I lived in fear that if anything I did could possibly be misconstrued or twisted, there was the fear of being beaten.. It was a fear that became a reality so many times. When I look back now, I, as well as the other children, never deserved those beatings.
Shortly after the raid in 1991 the members of the church started to come back together. I was 14 years old at that time. Still brainwashed, I did whatever I was told to do. I looked up to Tony as if he was Gods right hand man. Tony was in hiding during this time but he still controlled the church through tape messages and his right hand men.
The girls my age were all being married off to older men in the church. I knew my time was near. Sure enough, I was married too. I never knew this man I married or anything about him except that it was supposedly of the Lord for me to marry him, and how dare I question that!?. I was fifteen years old. At eighteen I had two children and two miscarriages. Birth control wasnt an option.
Meanwhile the church and Tony was just becoming more and more corrupt. Tony had become a polygamist and was marrying girls my age. During this time he was finally caught and sent to prison for tax fraud and other things. Once again, he still ran and operated the church through phone and message tapes. His 9 wives, at the time , moved to Colorado Springs, Colorado to be close to the prison and would visit him almost daily.
During this time, I lived in Moffet ,Oklahoma. It was close to Fort Smith, Arkansas. We had a church in Fort Smith (Glory land Christian Church), in which I worked. My husband (at the time) was sent to California on a construction job. I stayed with my two children in Moffet, Oklahoma (church property) and continued to work in the church office. After a few months, I and a couple of the other wives were given permission to move to California and live on church property there so we could be with our husbands, as the construction jobs kept coming.
The church property in which we stayed was hardly livable. There was no electricity, running water and the duplexes were infested with roaches, mice and rats. We had blow- up mattresses and blankets and cooked with propane stoves and brought water to wash dishes and bathe. It was unbelievable. The property had been vacant for years and this was where we were supposed to stay. Meanwhile all the money that our husbands made was being shipped directly to Tonys wives in Colorado Springs.
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raining
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Posted From: 69.238.20.59
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Continued from above post:
It wasnt too long afterwards that my husband was caught with pornography and had made a 900 while he was still living in Moffet , Oklahoma that was subsequently tracked down to him. He was at that time kicked out or told to leave the church. He was dropped off at a mission in Van Nuys, Ca. I was told I could stay. A couple days later, I got a message from Tony that I could chose either to go back to Arkansas and live in Moffet or go to Colorado Springs with Tonys wives. I chose to go back and live in Moffet. My message back was that God wanted me to go to Colorado. Having no chose I was flown along with my two children from LAX to Colorado Springs, Colorado where I was escorted to Tonys house where all his wives lived. To my surprise, one of my sisters, Katrinna, (only 11 years old ), was living there along with the other wives Katrinna told me she was married to Tony.
That was the beginning to the end. After I got there Tony requested pictures of me. I thought that was really strange but I did as instructed and allowed pictures to be taken. Shortly after my arrival my daughter, Varina, only 9 months, old became very sick with pneumonia. She could barely breathe one night. I thought she was going to die. I rushed her to the hospital were she was hospitalized for several days. During my stay at the hospital I got a phone call from one of the wives. She told me that Tony had called and that the Lord told him that I was to be one of the wives. She said one of us as she was being discreet over the phone. The news was overwhelming. I told her that I would like to pray about this. I didnt understand. I thought it was against Gods Word to marry sisters as it causes confusion. When Tony heard my response he was furious. His message back to me was if I didnt become one of the wives my daughter, Varina, would die. In my state of mind ,(brainwashed) I believed him. I agreed to become one of the wives. Shortly after, I was sent a pass to the prison.
Ill never forget how confused I was. In a blink I was one of the wives and now on my way to visit Tony in prison. On my first visit I sat next to him. The whole time he was getting an erection as he was being turned on by telling me all the things he was going to do to me when he got out. He said he would spend four straight nights with me. He also shared in graphic detail how it was with each wife on the first night. While at the prison, the wives would take turns sitting on the each side of him throughout the visit. I sat next to him the whole time on the first visit since I was the new wife. The other wives would watch the security cameras and when they would turn Tony would fondle the wife on the other side of him. He only rubbed my leg on the first visit but the other wives he fondled.
I had so many unanswered questions. Although I knew no other life, my gut feeling was that this was wrong. The home I stayed at in Colorado was gorgeous. The refrigerator and pantry was packed with food. We only had the best. I couldnt help remembering how I lived before I became one of the wives. It really bothered me. It was so wrong!
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raining
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Continued from above post:
My visits to the prison continued for the next five weeks. It was during this time I realized who Tony Alamo really was and just how sick, demented, perverted, and ungodly he really was.
Over the course of my visits, I did ask him to explain to me how it was okay to marry sisters along with many more questions. His answers were even more unbelievable. He told me that he was confused when he told my sister she was to be a wife and that the Lord really wanted it to me. I asked him if it was okay in the eyes of God to marry children. His response was that as long as they were at the age of puberty, then it was fine. . I was sickened.
During my visits to come I only saw a very perverted man who would molest these young girls. He wasnt the man of God I had believed he was. I was so confused and disappointed. The man that I thought was a man of God was some sick pervert who could care less about anyone but himself.
I started to become very ill. I didnt know what was wrong with me. I soon found out that I was pregnant. I was so upset. Here I am with my two children in some freaky house with a bunch of brainwashed women and now I find out I pregnant! I didnt know what to do. The thought of being Tonys wife along with nine others and raising three children at only nineteen was overwhelming. I realized I could only do one thing and that was to take one day at a time.
The news of my pregnancy was told to Tony on one of his calls to the house. He didnt say much. I continued to visit. During this time, Tony was writing tracts. The wives were forced to stay up all hours of the night looking up scriptures and assisting with the tract writing. It wasnt getting done fast enough so we all were all put on a ten day fast. I asked Tony if I was supposed to fast too (as I was pregnant) and he said yes and that it wouldnt hurt my baby. Unknown to me at that time, I was carrying twins.
I came to the conclusion that there was only one way out. One day I decided after arriving at the prison that I wasnt going to go in. I told Sharon (one of the wives) that I refused to go in and to please give a note that I had written to Tony. In the note I explained that it wasnt in my heart to be one of the wives and begged for Tony to let me go.
I thank God to this day that he answered my prayers. Tony let me go. I was flown back to Saugus, California with my two children. I asked Tony for money, as I had nowhere to go and had two babies and was pregnant. He gave me $ 500 and told me to keep my mouth shut about everything. I was dropped off at a mission in Hollywood were I tracked down my husband. I, shortly afterwards, miscarried one of my twins. I had no place to go, no idea of where or what to do with my life or how I was going to provide for my children. All I knew was that I would make it and that I was FREE from the clutches of Tony Alamo.
Well, needless to say, I made it and I have no regrets. I thank God everyday that he gave me the courage to say no.
Sincerely,
Cindi Jo Angulo |
raining
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Posted From: 69.238.20.59
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I was a member for 14yrs at the Alamo Church. My then husband was kicked out for something very trivial. We were at an out post in a ruff section in Chicago. It was the coldest recorded winter in 100 yrs. A message was delivered by one of the Alamo Foundation members (we were never able to talk to the pastor). We were told that Tony Alamo said, she can stay but he has to go" There was no regard for the sanctity of marriage. I choose to leave with my husband. We were not offered a dollar for a cup of coffee or a way out of the city. We were flat broke and had it not been for my family, who knows what we would have done. It didnt matter that we had spent14yrs in the church and had given 100% of all the money we made towards the Alamo Foundation. The whole experience was very traumatic and still effects my feelings toward organized religions. Do I believe in God? Yes! I'm doing well, I own a hotel and 4 beautiful horses.
Sincerely,
Diane Bach |
raining
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Posted From: 69.238.20.59
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Posted on Factnet on Monday, April 03, 2006 by internuncio
In a recent radio broadcast Tony Alamo has a young Pebbles (one of his many wives... wife #11 if my count is correct, and she was the tender age of 13 years old), Pebbles is telling about a dream she had. In this dream her mother was dead. Tony Alamo then tells Pebbles that her dream was from God. Her mother is going to burn in hell for coming against the church and coming against the man of God. (P.S. Tony Alamo also tells Pebbles that her mother has one foot in the grave and the other in a cemetery)
Tony Alamo has Michele Jones, (one of his many wives) read "responses". The majority of the responses are from third world countries. The reason he gets so many responses from their world countries like Uganda, Africa and places like that is because these people in these countries are so ignorant to people like Tony Alamo.
After the responses are read Tony Alamo asks WHY anyone would want to come against him when all he wants to do is win souls for God.
Okay, here is a news flash for you since you can't get it through your thick head... No one wants to come against a holy soul winner. No one wants to stop a person who is filled with the LOVE of Christ and wants to LOVE sick souls back to health. What we are all sick and stinking tired of, Tony Alamo, is people like YOU who want to use their pulpit and their power to pervert the word of God in order to obtain multiple, young, and child, wives.
You are almost 80 years old and you are fondling and fornicating with these little girls! They think you are a man of God. They believe that you have some kind of inside knowledge about where they will spend eternity so they do what you tell them to do! Do you not understand that it is wrong to force people into marriage? Think back for me, back to when you kicked Elizabeth G parents out.
Think about how you FORCED yourself on to that little girl. What about Jody F? Why did you rape her when she was 16 or 17 years old? How about Amy E? Jeannie O who was 15 years old? Alys O who was 11 years old, Pebbles who was 13 years old? Desiree K who was 9 years old when she moved into your house?
When your step daughter Rebecca K was a little girl, why did you take her into your bedroom and shut and lock the door and make her give you body massages? Why did she always come out of your bed room looking shell shocked? God knows why, Tony Alamo. One day all of your filthy secrets will be shouted from the roof tops for all to hear! |
raining
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Posted From: 69.238.20.59
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Newspaper: The Commercial Appeal
Article: Alamo Found Guilty of Tax Evasion, Jailed
Date: 06/09/1994
"...U.S. Dist. Judge Jon McCalla ordered Alamo held without bond after a government witness testified that Alamo may have committed bigamy and statutory rape in the past 18 months."
The Witness, IRS special agent David Kimbrough, quoting one of Alamo's ex-wives, said Alamo took as many as nine wives, mostly teen and some as young as 15 years old. Kimbrough said some of the teenage wives were forced into the church marriages by threats of being thrown out of the church. At least one woman told agents she was forced to have sex with Alamo.
McCalla said anyone hearing Wednesday's testimony would be concerned due to "the very great control Mr. Alamo has over a great number of people.
Justice Department attorney Christopher Belcher also pointed out that Alamo was a fugitive between mid-1989 and mid-1991, when he was wanted on several criminal charges. He still faces felony child abuse charges in California, where he is accused of ordering the beating of the child of a follower...
Kimbrough said members of Alamo's church told IRS agents that they feared for their own daughters because Alamo recently had begun marrying girls as young as 12, and even suggested that he would marry his own stepdaughter, who is 11...
For the jurors, Alamo's testimony worked against him, she said: He said we were sitting in the building of the church of Satan," in reference to his theory of a one-world church...
Among the 40 witnesses called by the government were former followers and three of Alamo's ex-wives who detailed his extravagant spending for himself and his wives.
An Arkansas banker testified that Alamo alone controlled more than 20 bank accounts in the name of various businesses under the Music Square Church.
Alamo took the witness stand himself to deny that he had any income in the years in question. He said that as the pastor, he was supported by the church, and that everything he did was to further his ministry.
He invoked the Fifth Amendment 10 times when Belcher asked him whether he had multiple wives |
raining
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Username: raining
Post Number: 101
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Posted From: 69.238.20.59
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Toni (Tony Alamo) is the "The World's Lying Pervert"
Toni - you tell so many lies on your radio program! Here are just a few lies you keep repeating!
** you said you only have 1 wife - LIAR
- you have many wives - just to name a few:
Sharon, Lydia, Lizzy, Jeannie, Mishael, Angel
While on the witness stand in the Memphis Tax Evasion court case Tony Alamo was asked whether he had multiple wives -
Tony Alamo invoked the Fifth Amendment 10 times!
You knew they would ask for DNA and prove to the entire world that Lydia was your concubine (wife)and Tabor is your son!
You said you didn't have a daycare center, the moms watched their own children - LIAR
You deny commanding children to be beaten - LIAR
too many witnesses have told about the child abuse suffered because of your command!
You claim to be a Prophet of God - LIAR
God's anointed DON'T LIE, RAPE UNDER-AGE GIRLS,OR BEAT OR COMMAND CHILDREN TO BE BEATEN BLOODY!
you have earned the title of "WORLD LIAR"! |
raining
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Username: raining
Post Number: 102
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Posted From: 69.238.20.59
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Here is parts of an old post that was posted by Becca Sue Levy: Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005
My name is Rebecca Sue (Levy) Gay. I was born February 26.
When I was two my family was moved to Arkansas. The first few years of my life are kind of uneventful. I do remember my dad having to leave in the middle of the night for night watch. Also, I remember my parents being called to Tony and Susies house in the middle of the night because of reports.
I remember when I was 5 and in kindergarten in Dyer, Arkansas (1980) Tony and Susie would make frequent visits to the school. Tony was our principal. I remember his paddle. It was big and had holes drilled in it. I was told the holes made the paddle move more air and was supposed to make it sting more, which was the goal. I remember TONY ALAMO, himself coming and beating kids severely for everything from talking back to a teacher, to bad grades (C's, Ds and Fs), to lying or cheating on tests. I think it was at that time when I consciously realized I was not safe. I saw other kids beaten and I was terrified. In addition to being scared to death of the beatings,
I remember Carlos and Miguel getting beaten with an actual horse whip I recall sitting in the cafeteria eating dinner when Erik Ondersak came back from the Spec House (Tony's mansion). We moved over for him to sit down and he physically was unable to even sit down. He was beaten so severely with a wooden board that he was unable to sit for days! I was there, I saw that with my eyes.
In 1986 and 1987 I was at the Spec House (in Arkansas) SEVERAL times when Tylon Willis, Aaron Willis, Tyrone, Benji Risha, Jarred Balsley, Jason Balsley, Katie Decker, Angela Greiner, Kimberly Ondersak, (and maybe a few others who at this moment I cannot recall) were ORDERED to be beaten BY TONY ALAMO. (they were beaten for disrupting class, making jokes during teaching time, bad grades and talking) Now when I say beaten let me just paint a picture for you.
One large man would get on each kids limb. That's right one person holding each arm and each leg For those who can't count, that means FOUR adults holding these kids, suspended in mid air, while yet another adult takes a board and beats them the number of times issued by Tony Alamo. Oh, and in case you want to know how count was kept, the kids had to count their swats and if they lost count the count would start over. Tony had a thing for the number 40.
He issued lots of 40 swats.
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raining
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Username: raining
Post Number: 103
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continued from above post by Becca Sue Levy: Posted on Thursday, November 03, 200.
One night this poor black kid, who was drug into the church by his parents who were eager to serve God got beaten. He was weeping and told Tony he was sorry. Tony said that God told him Tyrone was lying and Tony said, 40 more! So poor Tyrone got 40 more swats! Tony then had Aaron and Tylons mom take Tyrone and Aaron and Tylon who were also beaten in to the bathroom and these boys had to pull down their pants. If they weren't bleeding they got more swats.
Bethany Decker who was 14 or 15 at the time started to cry because the screams and the sound of the board hitting these kids was just unbearable, Shelly Borak told Bethany Decker that if she did not stop crying she would tell ALAMO that Bethany was crying for the bad kids, and crying meant her loyalty was to them and not to God. Shelly told Bethany it would be her next.
I was there, I was personally right there when this was said and done. UNFRIKKEN REAL huh! What is hard for most people to fathom is that when Tony Alamo gave orders, they were followed. It wasn't even a matter of, Do you want to obey? you just did. Everyone obeyed. Tony controlled everything. If you needed clothing you had to ask Tony. If you needed to go t a Dr. you had to ask Tony. If you wanted to get married you had to ask Tony. If you saw someone who was not conforming completely to all of the ever changing rules you had to report them to Tony. There was a whole system for the cult to run properly, by Tony. He had everyone under his direct authority. The adults obeyed like they were little children. They never questioned Tony and they never said no. I watched grown men stand and watch other grown men literally bloody their children's bottoms and the dads would stand there and not lift a finger to help their own yelping children. WHY you ask???? Because they were conditioned to OBEY orders! Conditioned by fear, fear, and more fear, of yeah and twisted scriptural references. That also played a role in the obedience factor.
What must be established here, on this board is a pattern of Tony giving orders and people who are so brain washed they follow even the most absurd orders. Keep reading, I'll show you what I mean. Later on in 1987 (or 88) Tony really started to push his control. I believe he wanted to see how far he could go. I think he was testing the limits. He began to have the adults beaten with the same boards that the kids were beaten with Pete Kortez, Pam Kortez, and several others were literally spanked. These were full grown adults, mind you. These adults were so obedient and loyal to Alamo they physically bent over and did not move while they were SPANKED by a board to the number of swats that was issued. Also, at this time Tony decided to start SMITING people. He would have them stand and not move while another person literally hit them in the face as many times as ALAMO issued. These are not rumors. I saw this with my own eyes.
I was personally smitten 4 times for asking a Bible question.
God told Tony I was mocking him by asking the question. Oh and by the way, Tony Alamo never was able to answer my question.
Everything I said is true, not hear say, not a rumor, it is 100% unadulterated truth. I can stand before God knowing that I did not lie, at all. |
saved_21570
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Posted From: 172.131.139.130
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Wonderful Sue,
Don't ever stop telling the stories of these innocents.
Tony Alamo is an enemy of Christ. He has given the haters of God alot of excuses to blaspheme. He has knowingly and willingly trampled the blood of Christ under foot.
Lu 12:47
"And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes."
Hell awaits him, and all who stand with him in these abominations. |
raining
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Username: raining
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Posted From: 69.238.19.251
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I agree with you Tom. Like the survivors of the Holocaust keeping telling of the horrors they suffered in order to inform the world of the unimaginable evil that befell the victims of Hitler. They repeat their truths so there will NEVER be another demonic person like Hitler in charge of a nation.
I will keep repeating and reposting the horrors that Tony Alamo, who proclaims himself as World Pastor, has inflicted upon the innocents and feigns himself as some spokesperson for the Living God.
Tony Alamo you are a hireling, a wolf in sheep clothing, a false prophet, a liar, a thief, a child abuser, a polygamy practicing pedophile.
(Note: I am not saying Tony Alamo is as smart as Hitler. Tony Alamo is a 2-bit lying con-artist) |
floridian
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Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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Thanks Tom,for the full scripture,Thanks |
jackrussell
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Username: jackrussell
Post Number: 75
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 24.73.18.235
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Floridian, You got alamo moss hanging all over you, with the baseball bat scripture use brigade. We are not fooled a bit, anyone that reads proverbs over and over a thousand times can memorize it and misapply meanings to circumstances at whim if they so desire, TA did that for decades.
Thank you very much.
Another thing, your eddie haskell(remember 'leave it to beaver') routine does not even come close to passing the litmus test here.
For those that never got to enjoy that TV sitcom from the 1950's, eddie haskell was the troublemaking ultimate brown noser to the adults, but once their back was turned his true colors of the scoundrel and faker came out. The Cleavers were not the least bit fooled, and neither are we. So, 'thank you very much floridian' and have a very nice and special day!
If we were to really believe, which we don't, that all the mumbo jumbo scripture conglomerational drooling you shimy about was not put on and maybe sincere, albeit highly erroneous, would have to think maybe Barry Smith had a clone. 'Member Barry, early Saugus drummer who wigged out, took a ride 'down the hill' after a couple stints at camarillo mental hospital. He could rattle off tongues, then scriptures, then cursing, and Lord knows what else. He was in the far away look zone. What a piece of work (had to feel sorry for him though)! Are you a piece of work, floridian? Do you need help? No, don't answer that question. But we have it that you are a pretender. So, thank you very much, and have a very nice and special day! |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 65
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 72.149.216.254
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Thank you jack russel,you sure are useing some big words,I will use some simple words,He came (Jesus Christ),that we,(you me and everyone else in the world),might have life, John 10:10,The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. Reading proverbs everyday,(sometimes I miss a day and it hurts),helps strengthen me,and I am sure that others feel the same way,now only a thief would want to take that away,take away the help that we need in these last days,only a thief would speak lightly of the word of GOD,because the Word of God is so much needed.We all need help,we all need to not forsake the gathering of ourselves together.If I use the scriptures over and over,that might tell you who (as you say), I am brown noseing,It is GOD. I am overwhelmed in joy sometimes with the knowledge that father God gives me,so much that I will brown nose in His (God's) word again today. |
modesto
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Username: modesto
Post Number: 175
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.68.98
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You seem to be repeating yourself so I will too.Seems blasphemous to me to refer to God or God's Word with the term "brown nose".Maybe you just don't know what it means, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. |
exmember10
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Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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Floridian, do you really know what the word "brown nose" means? Why in the world would you use it in this form? Did you take this from one of Tony's messages? What is wrong with you? |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
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Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.155.119.25
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yeah, I must say, that that's one of the most offensive things I have ever come across, on any message board!!! "a brown-noser for God" ???? what in the world are you talking about ???? don't you even THINK, before you post things ? you truly are FLOR-IDIOT !! |
floridian
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Post Number: 73
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 72.149.216.254
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Have your nose stuck up in the air with pride,ya see claudia names really is not the way to go,but I guess if you must call names you must,maybe you would call a blind man stupid. Better yet I am sorry for offending you claudia,sorry. |
modesto
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Username: modesto
Post Number: 197
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.68.98
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Floridian is a nut. I will not be replying to him any more.I encourage everyone else not to too. |
anchored
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Post Number: 142
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Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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You don't have to twist my arm, Brother J. I'm with ya 100% on that. |
exmember10
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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I couldn't understand him half the time anyways. |
worm_can_opener
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Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.155.119.25
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it proves NOTHING to answer. he's in his own world, must have gotten an overdose of the perv's phony spirituality, poor guy. |
modesto
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Post Number: 199
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.68.98
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Ok. Maybe I was wrong.Worm Can Opener,I hope you can do the Lord's work where I thouught it was impossible. |
mixter1
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Username: mixter1
Post Number: 119
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.240.176.26
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Hi folks,
The Alamo has em - DAZED AND CONFUSED
FOR SO LONG IT'S NOT TRUE..
Read Bible for hour. Pray for hour and:
No expounding, No expounding, no expounding scriptures!!!
I remember TA's wimpy little voice, YUCK
Exmember10, welcome!!!
I was in the church 72-80.
I'm in LA and it is HOT! in this city.
-Mix |
exmember10
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Username: exmember10
Post Number: 35
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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Mix,
Thanks for the welcome. I live in the midwest (was trying to get far away form the alamos) The temperature here is pretty hot as well. |
mixter1
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Username: mixter1
Post Number: 121
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.240.176.26
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Hi,
I don't know what will help those people in that church. I was thinking that they might be guilty by association. But, I went through that to. As
I see it they must be trapped. Until TA starts
liquidating assets and splits!
-mix |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 74
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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It is o.k. not to talk it is ok for you to call names it is ok for you to think,But Glory to God that he judges all things.modesto it sounds like you trying to get others to cry out"crucify him crucify him". You see modesto the bible says, Proverbs 15:1,A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger. thats about all that comes out of your mouth,anchoreds,and worm opener,and yes I am going to continue to share the gospel,because I remember that the Lord says that I would be hated,well lets use the bible.Matthew 10:22,And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Anyone can look back over your speech and see how it really is ,you go back and read your name calling of me,your mockings your falseness to the brotherhood, Psalm 35:16,With hypocritical mockers in feasts, they gnashed upon me with their teeth.
Psalm 37:12,The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
you know it is o.k. with me if you mock me,and laugh at me,but this is more important than your being in sport,My Father God just might not like it,Matthew 25:40,And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
You see folks,the scriptures of God gives us true examples,here is one of rightous Job calling his wife who beleived in God a foolish talking person,Job 2:10,But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.I have said nothing on this board,other than the simple word of God that one time came out of your mouths,you did not want to hear,you made claims againest me,you have taken counsel againest me,do you not remember,Proverbs 1:32,For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them. You know that on this here board,it is viewed of the scorning,that you have done to me,you have done it in the site of some of the brothers and sisters and more than that you have done it to me in the site of God my Father,and your thoughts and,my thoughts God my Father hath seen,so this I do for the simple who may look on to this your scorning,Proverbs 19:25,Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware: and reprove one that hath understanding, and he will understand knowledge.This is veiwed by any who see,that you have mocked the Holy Ghost,and please,please,please,do not call that which compels me and makes me cry and makes me stay up at night,trying to figure out what is the best I can do or say that will help souls make it into heaven,as I have spoken to you who where once my fellow laborers,you see the testimonies even on this board,I am a son of the living God,I am Baptized in the Holy Ghost and it is the Holy Ghost that has me to accomplish God's perfect will,you see I am endued with power from on High.Power to stand againest percecutions,And it is the Holy Ghost that will keep me to do the merciful will of Father God. |
exmember10
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Username: exmember10
Post Number: 36
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.222.207.144
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Floridian,
What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? What is wrong with you? |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 126
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.155.119.25
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speaking of China, I think it would be easier to figure out Chinese !!! |
mixter1
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Username: mixter1
Post Number: 126
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.240.176.26
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Over 3000 bytes memory in that chunk; And not to anyone's edification. Not a place where you want to be. Freaked out. The walking abomination, Pervert, and perpetrator helped bring this on.
Spiritual pride(a mental condition). The little voices start next. God save us. |
floridian
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Post Number: 77
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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Yes mixter1,if you feel that I am a sinner,why do you mock? The bible says,Proverbs 14:9 Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour. now I am not calling you a fool,yet the Word of God says. The word of God says alot of things and,Revelation 3:22,He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. |
mixter1
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Username: mixter1
Post Number: 133
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.240.176.26
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floridian,
I did not say you were a sinner. In fact that is the last thing I think. I want you healed. You will understand later. I'm not calling you an abomination, God forbid that. Pastor Alamo has become that. It is him I blame for shattering people. I wish you could really understand.
You need to go and preach to Tony. He mock's
worse than any of us. Have you heard of rebuke? Keep praying and seeking the Lord. We are not your congregation. We have been saved. There are more out there. Have you witnessed to an unsaved person. Do, YES, do that.
-mix |
mixter1
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Post Number: 134
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Posted From: 76.240.176.26
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Strike-We are not your congregation.
I MEAN WE ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS. |
floridian
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Post Number: 80
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Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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I was used to pray two through here on this board,understand yes thank you for your prayers for me to understand,I do understand more than you know,and the healing I need that you and others will know is,well I think that sometimes the affliction I have from time to time is for my own good,rebuke and reproof,are both for our good and the good of others.We are the Lord's congregation,and when we talk of God's Holy word,it is a very good to talk of,as God's book of rememberance records,which it is also records the offence that some people take and cause.Because I talk of the bible so much,just know that I find nothing better to talk about. Please mixter1,keep on keepin on with the mission you beleive that God has you on. I strive daily to enter in at the strait gate and I am pushing through..It would be nice if sometimes we could know that the prayers of others for ourselves are being spoken and not mocked. |
mixter1
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Post Number: 137
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.240.176.26
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floridian,
GOD TOLD ME MY MISSION PERSON TO PERSON.
I will pray for you're neck. I know about a car accident, your name, where you live, and that you are a Hebrew Christian. You were treated rotten at the foundation and it's at least good that you are not there. Don't feel threatened by any of us. Some rebuke. Some mock. But only because(they see)you as a version of Tony Alamo. Come out of the shadows, so to speak. Answer them.
That's it friend. take Care.
Love in Christ.
-mix |
floridian
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Username: floridian
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Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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I am sure that God told you that your mission is mostly a one on one,yet mixter1 you have alot of light for a bigger catch,one pole one fish,thats great,and remember use a net at times to gather many. Thanks I appreciate your concern,neck and car wreck,Im sorry I do not know what it is,yes I am hebrew Full blood,you and I both know that Greater is He (Jesus Christ),that is in us than he that is in the world,threaten you and I both have no room for that,and here is the answer for them, Psalm 123:3,Have mercy upon us, O LORD, have mercy upon us: for we are exceedingly filled with contempt. This should be their cry |
modesto
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Username: modesto
Post Number: 208
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.127.249
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 8:55 pm: |
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Full blood Hebrew?Means nothing. |
mixter1
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Username: mixter1
Post Number: 138
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.214.23.103
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 9:18 pm: |
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A large and immense net is used for a whale and the small fish are there. The net catches the large with the whale. The small escape into chaos.The fish that swim with the whale for protection are left in chaos. The chaos is profound and the predators many. My heart is to the small that they are not left in chaos and predators. Such were many present here small in their own eyes. I was so alone for too long in that madness which is the wake every false prophet leaves. I and they with me offer support to those left in the wake. Your mission is different. You will have some responsibility;
But God judges that - So that each may rest
in God.
-mix |
modesto
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Username: modesto
Post Number: 209
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.127.249
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Mix,
All this "net" and "Fish" metaphor is bs.Don't go for it!! |
smitty
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Username: smitty
Post Number: 69
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 207.200.116.135
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Modesto: Can you find my e-mail here and contact me? I'm heading up your way in about a month |
mixter1
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Username: mixter1
Post Number: 139
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.214.23.103
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TONY AMAMO RAPES YOUNG GIRLS IN HIS LIMO. HE TELL'S EVERY BODY. "OH THATS NOT SO BAD IT HAPPENED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT". WELL LOOK WHAT I FOUND HERE FOR THE PERV.
----------------- Gen 34:1-34:31 -----------------
And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bore unto Jacob,went out to see the daughters of the land. And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country,saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her. And his soul cleaved unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel,and spoke kindly, unto the damsel. And the sons of Jacob came out of the field when they heard it: and the men were grieved, and they were very wroth, because he had wrought folly in Israel in lying with Jacob's daughter; which thing ought not to be done. And Hamor communed with them, Saying,The soul of my son Shechem longeth for your daughter:I pray you give her him to wife. And it came to pass on the third day, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi,Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword,and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males. And they slew Hamor and Shechem his son with the edge of the sword, and took Dinah out of Shechem's house, and went out. And they said, Should he deal with our sister as with an harlot?
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THATS GENESIS. TAKING A WOMAN BEFORE MARRIAGE. The whole town gets wipped out. For folly much less than ALAMO'S SICK PERVERTED RAPES. PREPARE TO ME THY GOD!!! FOOL. Stepchild of nature. |
floridian
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Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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Mark 1:17,And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.
Mixter1,sometimes people forget this verse, 2 Timothy 2:16,But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. |
mixter1
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Username: mixter1
Post Number: 142
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.214.23.103
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I am talking about the poor and helpless in the Alamo foundation. They are being destroyed by the false prophet Tony Alamo. To point people to that church is cold and heartless. Tony is a the crooked serpent. He is the false prophet and there are souls screaming out for justice. I am planning to meet with an orthodox Jew. I will witness to him and get information about blasphemies. It is so cold to come on here and point people toward Alamo. God is angry with him. I feel it and I am afraid. So does Smitty, Mac, and John. They are very offended. I stand with them in that regard.
-mix |
floridian
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Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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What are you saying now Mix? |
smitty
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Username: smitty
Post Number: 70
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 207.200.116.135
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He that has ears to hear, let him hear. |
smitty
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Username: smitty
Post Number: 79
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 207.200.114.20
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I guess Floridian couldn't hear. |
raining
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Username: raining
Post Number: 129
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 69.237.88.126
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Tony Alamo has to tell the few who listen to his radio program, "How great I art!
Toni (tony) Alamo is a legend in his own mind!
His ego-powered lips love to brag how great he was, is, and shall be!!!
However the truth of the matter is Tony Alamo is a child abusing, pedophile rapist, and polygamy practicing, false prophet! Who loves and covets the praises of men, whose own lips praise himself! It is sickening to hear him talk about "How great I art!"
Remember Ton, the Lord said to let another man's lips praise you!
The one talent Tony Alamo has down to perfection is the fleecing the Lord's sheep physically, mentally, financially, spiritually and emotionally!
Tony Alamo is a wolf in sheeps clothing, laying in wait to devour the very innocent! He is roaming to and fro upon the face of this earth looking for the very innocent, under-age girls to deflower. He is looking for the thirsty, searching soul to corrupt and devour! |
raining
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Username: raining
Post Number: 130
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Posted From: 69.237.88.126
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Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 8:38 am
This is true and reported on the Local news in Fort Smith, Arkansas!
There was a story on the local news (3/6/06) that an arrest occurred at the Tony Alamo Church in Fort Smith, AR. The police stopped a wedding in progress between a 34 year old man and a 13 year old girl. An anonymous tip to local police led to police arriving at the church.
Here is another example of Tony Alamo's perversions being followed by his followers. Tony Alamo is turning his followers into pedophiles just like him. Grown men raping little girls! |
saved_21570
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Username: saved_21570
Post Number: 84
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 172.164.63.179
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Let's not allow the distraction of some, to drown out the voice of the victims.
These girls testimonies need to be kept front and center. |
open_mind
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Username: open_mind
Post Number: 22
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Posted From: 70.178.128.46
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raining,there was no arrest,the 34 yrold man took off before the police could even get to him,i was there.
but yea evry thing else is true. |
open_mind
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Posted From: 70.178.128.46
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and the girl was 12 not 13
i remember that day |
exmember10
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Username: exmember10
Post Number: 58
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Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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Raining,
This type of rape is still going on in there. All the little girls that grew-up in that place are being married off to men who are old enough to be their grandfathers. I was completely sickened when I saw Sallys 13 year old daughter marry off to a man in his 30s. |
wilma
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Username: wilma
Post Number: 106
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 72.186.198.30
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Open_mind,
Since you were an eyewitness at the wedding of the little Willis girl (Leah?) can you tell us all specifically what happened.
I was told that afterwards she and her mother went to live with grandma Ruth in Ft Smith. When the police came there to question her, whoever answered the door lied, and said Leah wasn't there.
What was the man's name? I was told he was an ex-con.
How many other 12 and 13 year old did you know were married off. I heard Bill Parrish's daughter was married off to an older man. Also, Wendy Tiner. Who else?
Thanks for any info you can provide.
Some people seem to think these abuses are a thing of the past. They are not!
Whatever happened to Sarah Scheff. I heard she was a wife and then I heard TA sent her to her parents. Why?
What other young girls live in TA's house?
SG |
exmember10
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Username: exmember10
Post Number: 59
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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SG,
did you get my message? Please call me when you can |
open_mind
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Post Number: 24
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Posted From: 70.178.128.46
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well the man that was going to marry leah,his name is johnothan hester,he is an ex convict and recently got out of jail for some street gang thing he used to be in,
they had already said the vows and went to open gifts when vern jordan came in the cafe and told him to run because the cops were there at the front door,so him and leah ran,the rest of us were instucted to hurry and put away any evidence of a wedding,and tell the cops there was no wedding.so we did.
leah and her mom got put out of the church for telling her sister laura about the wedding.i dont know wat happend after words.
as for the other little girls:
misheala parrish:13 married a 30yrold matt something.
jackie garner:12married 30 yrold dale shono(now has a baby girl)
wendy tiner:13 married around 30yrold randy hamrick(now has two children)
rachel scheff:14 married 24yrold tom neverdal from norway.thes are the aproxomate ages
i have no idia about sara sceff,she lives in la with her parents.
i havent been there for over a year and a half.i know tamela,alsandria,and charity reid live at or near tonys house.(al reids girls)
also angela ondrisek 14,miranda eddy 14 are staying there. i have no idea if tony has taken them for a wife or not. |
open_mind
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Username: open_mind
Post Number: 26
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.178.128.46
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john kolbek is now the "child discipliner"under the dictations of tony,if any child is "bad" in the church they are to be taken to john kolbek to be beat and thrown around,and punched,
brooke seago was talking back to one of the adults so they called john over,john and jennifer took brooke into the next room and all we heard was screaming and yelling,when brooke came out she could hardly walk,brooke told one of her freinds that john kolbek punched her in her gut,pulled her hair many times,slapped her,pushed her,and threw her.it was so sad,she was only 12, john kolbek has dont this same thing under tonys command,to many other children,very brutal.and yes it still happens to this very day.
9/7/07 |
weaned_child
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Username: weaned_child
Post Number: 26
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 193.200.150.23
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Thank you Open Mind, this is precisely what needs exposure on this board not floridians endless drivel!
Im so glad you found your way to this board. Yours is a sorely needed testimony of the continuing atrocities being condoned in that madmans hell-hole of an excuse for Christianity and Godliness.
A destroyer of souls is what he is!
I remember the day John Kolbek came to the foundation. It was during a morning prayer meeting at the garage-chapel in Dyer, Arkansas, on a very wet and rainy day. He was wearing a rain slicker and stood out because of his notable height.
What he has become under TAs direction is an absolute offense and abomination to the body of Christ.
What he has done unto the least of His he has done unto Him!
How readily they have allowed themselves to sell their souls to the devil. Allowing the adversay to lay claim to that which he has no earthly or heavenly right to.
There is a day of reckoning that is not very far in the future. Time itself is against them. |
smitty
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Post Number: 88
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 207.200.116.135
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John Kolbek !?!? When I knew him he was one of the kindest, gentlest souls I knew. He had such a childlike nature I used to think of him as "Big Bird". John, John, John What in God's name happened to you that you now brutalize children |
mixter1
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Username: mixter1
Post Number: 203
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.214.26.52
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Heah Smitty,Mac,Claudia,JackRuss,SG,Modesto,Bill,
Alan B
I went to the doctor for a checkup on my knee yesterday.As I feared I have no ligament left there. This means another operation (Queen of Angels) on my knee. Then,afterwards,won't be able to walk and recovery accross from queen of angels. A Hospital gets real boring actually it gets very boring.I will see if they have an internet hooked up to the computer. Otherwise for a while I will be here writing a forum model omputer system and will visit in and about.
-Mix |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 236
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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Please mixter1,be sure to include your prayer requst on the prayer request board |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 239
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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Most of you folks are still accuseing me,and that is nothing more than demons geting you to slander me.How can you call your selves christian,just go back and look at your words,Unsaved people have seen this board and they see the names you call the twisted verbage you use,your accusations without,proof.they say that you are not any real christian.God said that some people will become so hard hearted that they will start beleiveing a lie,you say where have we done this to you Lord,and the Lord shall say "you did it to the least of mine",I am the least but I am his,Jesus Christ. I challange you to show this board,to some one who does not know you and who say that they are christian,Do not tell them that it is your reply,just ask them what they think,now if you reject their answer,there is a good chance that you will not beleive even when one is raised from the dead. |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 166
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.150.73.22
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Mixter,
I will definately be saying some prayers for you. I really got hurt badly, back on 3/18/05, and was basically stuck on the couch for 3 months. I had to use a walker, and was sssooooo jacked up !! but the Lord came through for me, and I thank him !! I know it's scary, facing an operation, but I feel sure it will turn out for the best ! God bless you ! Claudia |
raining
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Username: raining
Post Number: 151
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 69.237.90.169
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Open Mind - thank you for posting the facts about the raping of little girls at the Tony Alamo Foundation.
Tony has turned his followers into pedophiles just like himself.
After reading your account of the raping going on at tony alamo's joint - The Tony Alamo New Jersusalem Ministry - how can anyone saying they are a christian send newly saved souls to his house of terror and horror! |
anchored
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Username: anchored
Post Number: 227
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Mixter, Will definitely be praying the surgery goes well for you with minimal pain and fast recovery.
Open_mind - also, I wish to say thank you for that much needed testimony about the continuing child beating and raping and cruel abuse at The Tony Alamo Den of Iniquity Ministries.
When I think about what that hell hole has become just since I left 16 years ago, it's like surreal, like something out of a horror movie. I imagine it as resembling a terrible nightmare that you can't wake up from. A confusing, vile, raping bed of adultery and fornication. You can almost smell the stench in the spirit. Imagine what a stench it is God's nostrils.
It's beyond my comprehension how anyone could even consider sending a newly saved soul into that mess. What would possess a person to even consider such a savage act? Despicable! |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 170
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.150.73.22
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sending a newly saved soul to the alamo mess is like resuscitating someone who's had a heart attack, then bopping them over the head with a sledge hammer !!! |
redeemed_9131970
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Username: redeemed_9131970
Post Number: 16
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 75.66.235.106
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Open Mind posted:
john kolbek is now the "child discipliner"under the dictations of tony,if any child is "bad" in the church they are to be taken to john kolbek to be beat and thrown around,and punched,
brooke seago was talking back to one of the adults so they called john over,john and jennifer took brooke into the next room and all we heard was screaming and yelling,when brooke came out she could hardly walk,brooke told one of her freinds that john kolbek punched her in her gut,pulled her hair many times,slapped her,pushed her,and threw her.it was so sad,she was only 12, john kolbek has dont this same thing under tonys command,to many other children,very brutal.and yes it still happens to this very day.
9/7/07
FYI: Brooke Seago would most likely have to be a child born to Greg Seago and Gina (Howard) Seago, Mary Jane (Coffee-Howard) Scheff's grand daughter. Gina hasn't lived at the compound for many years. In a weird twist of events Greg weaseled out on her, abandoning her at a motel with a new born while she waited for him, no money etc, and meanwhile he slithered back to that unspeakable place keeping their children with him. Great job Greg! Quite the protecting husband and father. What a man of God you are NOT! (Thats a whole nother story typical heathen behavior, down right sick) |
redeemed_9131970
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Username: redeemed_9131970
Post Number: 17
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 75.66.235.106
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What encourages a once gentle person like John Kolbeck to be okay with physically hurting weaker defenseless fellow human beings and even then to such senseless excess?
What must it ultimately do to a marriage when the spouse must/does partake even if only as a witness to such unbridled brutality?
How do they sleep at night?
How can they look one another in the eyes without feeling complete revulsion, contempt and guilt? By now their eyes are probably glazed over just like their decency and compassion.
These people (not just the Kolbecks) that we once knew and loved are scarily changed...this kind of multi-faceted damage to the human psyche, for me, is beyond comprehension. Only satan in all his fury could unleash such misery and anguish.
Its quite apparent from the reports still surfacing that Tony is criminally insane. Who knows for how long this sadistic pedophile has been completely bonkers. Its like hes their own personal miniature Al Capone, a thug and a gang lord all rolled into one.
There's no justifiable excuse for those who've allowed themselves to be TA's pawns in all this charade of horrors, because when we have nothing else, we do have God-given choice. Idolater, Tony Alamo, has turned them all the abused and the abusers into victims as he all but prostrates himself before the golden calf that is his insatiable lust and unruly ego.
None there are escaping this travesty unscathed. The abusers will taste what they've dished out one way or the other what sane individual would want to have to stand in their shoes now or ever!
What an insidious price to pay and all for what? A hotter place in hell? No thank you!
cp |
saved_21570
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Username: saved_21570
Post Number: 87
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 172.166.226.68
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Well said, Carolyn,
Thank You, Open Mind, Thank You, Thank You.
John Kolbeck! I would have never believed it.
I suppose, once he gave his firstborn to Satan the rest was easy.
Mix- we will be praying for a fast recovery. |
bintheredunthat
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Username: bintheredunthat
Post Number: 34
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 65.6.192.147
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Get off your sympathy trip and quit feeling sorry for yourself floridian.
There are far less than you floridian, young girls like Brooke Seago and the many others who have testified that they were raped and beaten by TA. You call us into judgment for a few names. What a wimp. Nobody on this board has laid a physical hand on you. These young children are still being abused and beaten at that cult and you don't care a hoot. There aren't enough names to call you. You claim to be so full of the love of God but all we see is love of self.
Grow up and get a life. If you are really a Christian then you will obey Jesus and you will shake off the dust of your feet and move on.
I for one won't miss you. |
wild_dream
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Username: wild_dream
Post Number: 51
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 76.172.220.122
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On tree crew John Kohlbecks nickname was "Kohltrain", now it has to be "insane", "John Insane". |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 243
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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But they might one day,thinking that they do god's service,and again you are the one telling me to shake the dust,you should look up the scripture and read it,maybe then you will quit useing it.I do not feel sorry for myself,I can not live a true christian life and not be sorry for everyone else,what makes a christian a christian is to lay down his life for his neighbor,not for self,.I witness with the true word of God and you say leave,get off the center of the fence,and get on one or the other side. |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 171
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.150.73.22
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The news of Brooke Seago's beating is just incredibly SAD !! I left the compound in the San Fernando Valley on 12/22/92, Brooke was born just after that, like Jan or Feb of 1993. I have heard from one source that the Seago's had several children, like 5 ?? the thing that's so mind-boggling to me, is that I had witnessed the tremendous love between Gina and Greg. I personally had never seen a relationship with so much love, ever, anywhere, with the exception of an Aunt and Uncle of mine. When I found out Gina had just turned 15, and Greg was 36, at the time of their marriage, it seemed weird, but when I saw the actual relationship, I was very impressed with their marriage. HOW did it evolve from what I saw, daily, for the 9 months I lived next-door, to what we hear about, now ?? |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 172
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.150.73.22
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And how could Greg drag his children back to the poisonous snake-pit, and see this first-born child, the one they both wanted, and couldn't wait for the birth of- get a beating from John Kolbec ?? there's just no logic or reasoning behind this kind of thing.
I'm so glad to have escaped all the lunacy from toni alamo, but HOW LONG will we hear of these revolting, atrocious deeds being done, orchestrated by the "world reprobate" and all the robotic ones, who mindlessly obey his every command ??????? |
raining
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Username: raining
Post Number: 152
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 68.127.125.17
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Greg & Gina were kicked out of the foundation and were at a motel. Greg told Gina he would be back. Greg left Gina and the babies at the motel. He called Tony and went back to the foundation to follow his beloved tony. Gina and the children were left stranded at the motel. Greg followed the example of Tony Alamo's love for his wife and children!
Greg - what happened to "for better or worse, until death do us part"?
Throw em out like garbage, toss em' out like an ol' alley cat. Get rid of them - who cares that they gave 15-30 years of their lives supporting that child abusing, polygamy practicing pedophile, false prophet tony alamo.
Gina called her dad, Martin, for help.
Fast forward - Greg gets kicked out and gets in touch with Gina and wants to get back together. She meets up with Greg and when her back is turned Greg took off with the kids back to the Alamo joint. |
no_stoppin_me
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Username: no_stoppin_me
Post Number: 78
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 68.215.124.203
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Open-mind, please email me. I grew up in the Alamo Foundation.
julescpa1@aol.com
Thanks |
brother_d
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Username: brother_d
Post Number: 137
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 68.155.161.38
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greg never did seem to have much of a spine... I never thought he would stoop that low though... |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 256
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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I am still surviving,and that is because I am still in the church,the Lord Jesus Christ is coming back for his church,That is how you survive.,Be in the Church.. |
mixter1
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Username: mixter1
Post Number: 221
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.214.26.52
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Be in the Church. Really means be in Christ.
Everyone not in Christ will be left behind.
If there is sin in a Church you might be judged
for doing nothing about it. That was my concern when I moved out of the foundation. Tony had people lie. Actually lie and protect him.
That is why people cannot reach the throne.
-Mix |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 259
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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Yes you have to be in Christ in order to be in the only church that he (Jesus Christ),is coming back for,caution on that somewhat rapture talk. That is right about not doing anything about it,can you prove mixter1 or anyone else prove that tony or any of the other folks are lying? |
brother_d
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Username: brother_d
Post Number: 143
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 68.155.165.113
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yes |
raining
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Username: raining
Post Number: 158
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 69.106.132.92
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Yes - Tony Alamo lies on his radio broadcasts claiming he only has 1 wife!
Tony Alamo has 3 children by 3 different women, who all live together in the same house with
"World Pastor" (WORLD PEDOPHILE), Tony Alamo.
After I testified for Tony Alamo at his tax evasion case in Memphis Tony invited me to go with him and his wives to dinner at the Peabody Hotel. Tony Alamo's ego powered lips proclaimed to all that all the young girls at the table were his wives. At dinner was myself, Tony Alamo, Sharon & Zion,her son by Tony Alamo, Lydia, and Tabor, her son by Tony Alamo, Angel Streit, Jeannie and Lizzy (the last 2 were 15 & 16 years old).
Everytime Tony Alamo claims he has only 1 wife he is lying!
Here is another lie that Tony Alamo spouts off on his radio program. Tony Alamo says he never beat any of the children.
The bloody bottoms of these children will cry out against you, Tony Alamo. Did you forget about the beatings your gave yourself or had one of your spineless followers mete out?
Here's a reminder of just a few of the foundation children that have either been beaten by you, Tony Alamo, or you gave the command for the beating: Elishah, Nathan, April, Chuck, Carlos, Miguel, Darren, Aaron, Tylon, Rodney, Tony, Johnny, Jason, Jared, Paula, Carrissa, Eric, Benji, Tyrone, Joshua, Michael. . .
Too many witnesses and victim are no longer held captive to your doctrine of fear and damnation, that false twist on, "Don't touch the Lord's annointed". These victims and witnesses will no longer be silent about what you have done and what you are doing behind those prison walls you call a church.
The victims have found their voices and the courage to expose the true facts about you, tony alamo!
You are not God's man of the hour, you have self appointed yourself "World Pastor", that title came not from God.
I would be afraid if I didn't expose you for the lying, child abusing, polygamy practicing pedophile, false prophet that you are!
In Floridian's post above he asks this question, "can you prove mixter1 or anyone else prove that tony or any of the other folks are lying?"
The answer is YES- Tony alamo has proved over and over that he is a LIAR! |
wilma
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Username: wilma
Post Number: 109
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 72.186.198.30
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YES! The statements (and in many cases sworn testimonies) of multitudes of people have proved that Tony Alamo is a pathological liar.
Just a FEW examples of people who have WITNESSED, stated and shown that Tony alamo is a LIAR:
Birgitta Gyllenhammer ex-wife
Elizabeth Amrhein ex-wife
Diana Elana Williams ex-wife
Robert Miller
Carey Miller
Justin Miller
Chris Mick
Elisah Overmeyer F
Jason Balsley
Richard Hydell
Jim Griffin
Claudia Greiner
Barry H
John Whitman
Jody Fryer
Tami Hunt
Donna Bevan (aka Piper Scarcello)
Eliza
Gloria V
Katrina
Cindi Jo
Nikki F
Susie G
Sue B.
Ian M.
Carolyn
Tom A
Claudia
Mike B
Julie
Bill
Rebecca
Ian
Dot C
That is just a few. I know of MANY more! I won't post them ALL on this forum for privacy sake.
Also, anyone that did business with Tony knows what a liar and thief he is. He would get merchandise and often would not pay his bills or would be months behind on them. I use to work at the office and fielded many calls from what were called "screamers".....people who wanted their $$$.
Open_mind,
I believe you. I have heard from others that John Kolbeck is the "punisher". He carries out Tony's orders with the same brutality as the gestapo did following Hitler's orders. He sent his beautiful seven year old daughter to go live with and be raped by tony alamo. Now that she has escaped he sent another younger daughter to go live in alamo's house. He is totally brainwashed and obedient to Alamo and would stop at nothing to obey his master. It is truly repulsive what he has become.
susieg |
raining
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Username: raining
Post Number: 162
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 69.236.136.96
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Let us not forget about the brutal beating that was leaked out to law enforcement and the press. The brutal beating of Justin Miller - The son of Carey Miller - beaten 140 times with the board of education while being suspended spread eagle in mid-air- commanded by Tony Alamo!
Justin Miller's beaters were arrested, but tony got them out on bail. They all disappeared and who knows where they are to this day. Still in hiding? Haven't heard from Terry F or Carol & Marc L have ya?
Tony Alamo ran off in the night like a little girl. He lied saying he was Harvey Crochran.
Tony Alamo had Harvey Crochran's ID when he was arrested in Tampa. Harvey was in a hospital recovering from brain injuries he received while passing out tony's trash!(what tony alamo calls tracts)
So Tony Alamo used a stolen ID - because Harvey didn't give him permission to use it. The family searched high and low for Harvey's ID. Harvey's ID disappeared after some foundation brothers came by to visit Harvey and the family. The family thought they had somehow lost Harvey's ID until it showed up in Florida with the arrest of Tony Alamo!
So Tony once again proved himself to be a liar, a thief, and a cowardly little girl not wanting to face the felony child abuse charges filed against him in LA for the brutal beating of Justin Miller |
cja
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Username: cja
Post Number: 71
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 71.110.27.104
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I have not been on fact net for some time now however, it seems to me that Tony Alamo is still out there somewhere "FREE" to continue molesting,raping and destroying lives. I'm sick. s anything going to be done or are we just going to discuss what a monster he is? I can't believe this crap is still going on and this MF is freakin getting away with it! What has the world come to? |
wild_dream
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Username: wild_dream
Post Number: 191
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 76.172.220.122
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"What has the world come to?", you said it well because many of the people among the powers that be do the same perverted stuff, the Nebraska Boys School, for example. The world has become very dark. They love him being free and what he does because he destroys Christian testamonies, the testimonies of former members in particular. People basically say, you were one of them, yuk, it's a mountain to be overcome for sure. They see all this horrendous stuff and they don't realize that at one time it was an awesome move of God, a church of God. It seems they like him being "free", it seems like they even protect him. Thanks for your post grasshopper. |
saved_21570
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Username: saved_21570
Post Number: 403
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 72.148.187.22
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Cindy,
I share you're sentiments. It is a total disgrace.
This is something I noticed online this morning, from Arkansas:
"Couple Suspected Of Cruelty In Puppy Mill Case Arrested"
HUNTSVILLE, Ark. -- A couple suspected of running a puppy mill operation has been arrested on suspicion of animal cruelty.
Theodore and Maria Rushing were arrested in Madison County, days after 41 dogs were found abandoned. Madison County's sheriff said the couple admitted they had found some of the dogs and picked them up along the road.
From- http://www.4029tv.com/news/14398026/detail.html?rss=fts&psp=news
I can only conclude that a dogs life means more, to the Arkansas Attorney General Dustin McDaniel, (as well as other law enforcement), than the lives of children in his State. Children that are being sold into sexual slavery.
There is more than sufficient evidence of child abuse, and rape to put a stop to it. At least to get these children into protective custody while the case is investigated. |
heynow
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Username: heynow
Post Number: 415
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 71.140.202.39
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Two interesting points brought up here.
#1 Animals and humans. I remember hearing a psychologist telling a story about his son's death. He was grieving terribly and at the funeral a man said to him, "I know exactly how you feel, my cat died last week." The psychologist felt enraged (although he didn't say anything at the time)that someone would compare their cat to his son. Later he realized some people truly feel their animal is like, or equal to an actual person. As unbelievable as it seems there are many peolple out there that will consider an animal much more important than a human (save the whales).
#2 Regarding tony's lifestyle as welcomed by the unsaved. Let me explain. Like all the posters on this board, I do not agree with tony or his lifestyle. Do the unsaved agree? Most will not, however the unsaved will use tony (and many others)as an example to sin. I realized many years ago the grand excuse any unsaved person will use is, "See they are sinning so, why should I get saved." As amazing as it is, these words come out of every last one of them.
When a well known preacher falls, the unsaved is smiling from ear to ear. They love it. They feel in their heart that no one can live a Christian life. They feel validated when a preacher falls. As we all know, by reading the Bible, everyone will be judged by God. The key to the final judgement is judged by "GOD" not "US" or anyone else for that matter. A heaven to gain and a hell to shun. Anyway as mixter brought up in another thread, he has met folks that are living the Christian life and some enjoy spreading the word. Regardless of what the unsaved want to believe, the people of God are out there. |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 273
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 70.243.160.182
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That's so TRUE !! I was taught from the earliest days of my childhood, that a burning hell existed, and I was very afraid of winding up there (so I made sure not to kill anyone, didn't realize all the other stuff was equally repulsive, in the eyes of a very much HOLY GOD) I found a bunch of heroin one time, thrown from a car, when I lived in Venice, Ca. I really didn't want to see anyone overdose and die from it. It was flushed down the toilet (we try so hard to do good, as sinners, sometimes)
When a J.W. came to my house, just months before my salvation, she asked me "well, what do you think happens to you, after you die ?" I replied "you go to heaven or hell" she proceeded to ROTFL at me, saying; "WHO told you THAT??" to be perfectly honest, I was relieved by those words, they were not words of truth, but I wanted so much to think I was worthy of heaven, in spite of my cluttered conscience, really being convicted of sin, way down in the very depths of my soul. |
heynow
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Username: heynow
Post Number: 420
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 71.140.202.39
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Can Opener, I agree. I think there is some conciousness to do the right thing. And as we have learned more about it from the Bible and the Holy Spirit. I believe even the hard core JW has a conviction there is truly heaven and hell. Why do you think they are out there preaching their doctrine if there is no hell? Anyway I remember a story Bill Lavender told me. He said prior to coming to the foundation he was approached by JW's. He went to their "kingdom hall" and proceeded to be indoctrinated. I guess he was a "baby JW." Anyway, he started asking questions about the doctrine. Hard questions that could blow the whole JW doctrine out of the tub (so to speak). Well, that didn't settle well with the seasoned JW's. They pulled him aside and told him it would be best if he did not come back. |
brother_d
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Username: brother_d
Post Number: 432
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 68.155.175.7
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Baloney! Y'all are talking like tonee wrote the script...the "unsaved" rejoice at these iniquities, they love cats more than souls, blah, blah, blah. It doesn't matter what your religion is, or even if you have one, with regard to human dignity. It's human nature to be disgusted when any living thing, man or animal is abused. tonee is a monster. He'll get what's coming to him. |
heynow
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Username: heynow
Post Number: 422
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 71.140.202.39
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Brother d, Read carefully what I wrote. What I wrote was based on the Bible, NOT tony. Heaven forbid I would use tony as the example to follow.
You wrote: "It's human nature to be disgusted when any living thing, man or animal is abused."
In the previous posts no one wrote anything that disagrees with this. However, what would you consider more important; Your son or your dog? |
modesto
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Username: modesto
Post Number: 345
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 76.209.132.62
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Bro d,
LOL,good to have you back!
"A heaven to gain a hell to shun."(Susan Alamo. Twenty zillion times during services over the years). |
jackrussell
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Username: jackrussell
Post Number: 353
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 70.126.185.30
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I kinda agree with you bro d, all the clay creatures are deemed to be treated with dignity, the ones with a soul, and the ones supposedly without. The self elevating danger of 'saved' and its accompanying justifications are all too apparent. To be honest here, I have met a lot more dogs that I've liked than people. But part of the point illustrated was that Alamo has been given a much longer lease than other pitbulls that maul. Why? Because he has a soul? Can throw money at the right (empowered) people at the right time? Because he is 'world pastor?' Retains the services of Dewey, Cheatum, & Howe? Answer yes, and amen to all of the above, or no if pitbulls are no longer privileged to maul childrens faces, if they have a 'world pastor' collar!
So, as setting aside religious viewpoint, as bro d was pointing out and directing dignity to the practical, and even secular, societal common sense issue and the self preservation and both animal and human species, all pitbulls that wreak havoc and maul children need to be dealt with appropriately, and that would not be probation. All for the greater good, preservation and dignity for all species, freedom, rights and privileges until proven otherwise.
And one more thing, it is usually humans that train and breed the pitbulls to have the propensity to do the unspeakable things, just ask Tony Alamo, he understands that very well. |
modesto
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Posted From: 76.209.132.62
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"God,please make me into the kind of man my dog thinks I am." |
jackrussell
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Heynow,
My dog! But my son runs a very close second. Just kidding, just kidding. But I did name him after the dog. Can't help it if the dog was named after a human! You have to admit dogs are much smarter. They eat their own vomit because they don't want anything to go to waste, seconds are sometimes better, and if you can't provide them with a hot meal, they will make their own! |
heynow
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Posted From: 71.140.202.39
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Jack, And the dog will never steal from you LOL. Yep, after my uncle Louie passed, my aunt named her dog Louie. Years later my dad named his dog Louie. I guess it works both ways, naming a human after a dog and naming dogs after humans. Speaking of dogs something comes to mind. I might have mentioned this but, I remember a dog at the davenport house named tiger (I think that was his name). The dog seemed very friendly and not too aware of what was going on. Except when a non-foundation vehicle pulled up on the property. Tiger would start vicously barking and would stand next to the car door so the person (non-foundation) would be scared to get out of the car. I always wondered how the dog knew who was a foundation person or foundation vehicle. There must have been at least 30 or so foundation vehicles pulling in and out of the place and 200 foundation people. How did that dog know? He would start barking way before I would notice a non-foundation vehicle. Some brothers would claim it was something spiritual. I am not sure to agree with them. However I never saw the dog bark at any foundation people.
Modesto, Anyone can quote the Bible, even the alamos. Living it is the challenge. |
wild_dream
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Posted From: 76.172.220.122
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I would never name a dog "Tony", it would be a dishonour to the dog. |
worm_can_opener
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Posted From: 70.243.160.182
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Cindy,
I tried SO HARD to post to you, Sunday. I kept on getting the old "file locking error" till I threw my hands in the air, and did other things around the apt, instead.
ALL of us are filled with disgust that tony is free, it is truly a disgrace. I would do anything to get him arrested, and have tried several avenues, only to have law-enforcement look the other way...it's discouraging, but don't forget that God has seen every single thing tony has ever done, every abomination was witnessed, he promises us that tony, and ALL who do evil will be recompensed, that vengeance belongs to himself. I have begun to pray harder for the Lord to make a move, concerning tony, and keep on writing agencies that may be willing to help.
I don't believe there is a Jewish person on earth, who does not wonder why hitler was allowed to murder their families, year after year,a million...another million, we will never have an answer to this question, as long as we are on this side of eternity.
We have no answers concerning tony's present freedom,to add more victims to his satanic list, and all the monstrous things he's done, and is doing right now.
GOD IS GOING TO GET TONY, we just don't know exactly WHEN. His word will come to pass,it's true, every word, he can't lie, die or fail us. What he says he will do, will be done. tony has been able to hide himself very well, but there's no place on earth he can hide from the Lord on that day.
Claudia |
pobox398
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Posted From: 75.66.235.106
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According to one of the preechin' pedophile's latest broadcasts (which I unexpectedly happened across), he is a firm believer in capital punishment.
So am I.
[funny how you can not have heard that obnoxious voice for literally years on end, yet when you do, even though somewhat gravely, its more recognizable to you than your own down right creepy is what it is. I just about did a double take thinking: What?! Whered he come from?! Immediately knowing who it was.]
He can talk it all he wants and as loud as his lungs will allow, but when the rubber finally meets the road
he will squeal like a stuck pig should an attempt ever be made to slip that good ol time-to-pay-the-piper elevator boot onto his cloven hoof.
As far as exactly how he will be received by the Lord, theres more than just a slight possibility in countless ways that his sins have ultimately taken him beyond the threshold of repentance. Only the Lord can be the judge of that obscenely hairy scene!
This I do know, on that day, the Lord will not be impartial Praise the Lord!
cp |
brother_d
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Posted From: 74.224.134.104
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You just haven't been able to corner him, that's all. How long did it take Elliot Ness to nail Capone? Years! Why? Because Capone knew the system, and he knew how to avoid being caught with anything that would incriminate him. What did they finally pin on Capone? Tax evasion! A pretty minor charge, seeing all the atrocities he'd committed, but it was enough to keep him in prison until he died of complications from syphillis. Do you know that Capone had his own Armpit of Hope foundation like tonee? He ran a soup kitchen during the depression to win the hearts and minds of the homeless. Meanwhile, he was raking in millions off bootleg liquor, dope, and prostitutes, buying his friends and murdering his enemies. So what's the point of all this? We know tonee is a monster, but nobody has been able to get anything big to stick to him. You have to have solid evidence and witnesses before the authorities will take action. Get him on a traffic ticket, and then, oh, by the way isn't he also wanted for ...? Ask David Berkowitz about traffic tickets. |
brother_d
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I don't know about your dog, but my dog has a soul. And it's a good one. |
pobox398
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Posted From: 75.66.235.106
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I agree bro_d it's definitely time to start thinking outside the box...cp |
saved_21570
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Posted From: 72.148.187.22
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If a kid is found at school with a suspicious bruise on him, there is automatically, a required report and investigation by authorities.
I am not buying the, "Not enough evidence malarkey." |
brother_d
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Posted From: 72.152.77.101
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the kids don't go to school...those places are for the "unsaved". tonee's group schools kids at the compound with the "Board of Education". that's the way the "godly" bring up their kids. who's to see the bruises? |
mixter1
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Posted From: 76.214.12.80
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Many of those children will hate their parents.
This is how other cult chidren feel, hatred. |
wild_dream
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Posted From: 76.172.220.122
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How do you know your dog has a soul? Money told me "the stinkin beast has no soul". It kills me to have to reprove you because on the tree crew you were always like a father fiqure to me. When I came on this board I did'nt know who you were. I thought maybe you were Scott. I like to think my dog will be waiting for me in Heaven though. |
brother_d
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Posted From: 72.152.77.101
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Mixter -
have you read erik ondrisek's description of his mother? he should think fondly of his parents, but it seems he hates what they've become and what they allowed to happen to him. that's the cult's doing. |
brother_d
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Posted From: 72.152.77.101
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W_D:
I don't know the identity of too many people on this board and don't care to ask. If you think you knew me when, I hope I was kind to you. I still try to be. I prefer to extend my respect to all life, and my dog is at the top of my list. The more people I meet, the better I like my dog. Artie Money was way off on that one. |
jackrussell
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Posted From: 70.126.185.30
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Bro d, hear ya loud and clear about the dog thing. And that goes for a whole lot of other animals as well. They are majestic, bring a lot of joy to people, makes you want to take good care of them seeing that they trust and want to befriend their caretakers. If that ain't soul what do you call it. Call it anything you want, but it is a good thing. So what if they have a different kind of intelligence level. Some people, like Alamo should wish they could be so smart as a dog, so as not to be sooo dog gone bad! |
wild_dream
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Posted From: 76.172.220.122
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you were alright, you never did anything bad or malicious. |
jackrussell
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Posted From: 70.126.185.30
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Proverbs takes the animal thing to a real clear level for me. I want to extend that to what I believe is somewhat of a correlative level. Proverbs mentions a real nix against animal or beast cruelty. Domesticated animals trust and expect humans to take good care of them as their 'masters' or 'leaders' and it is a God given responsibility as the intellectual capacity for this dominion. Those who violate this principle to abuse beasts have a real bad heart condition, and are very likely to deal with their fellow man in the same way.
Leaders of extremist cults are also betrayers of a similar trust. Those trusting followers have entrusted their finances, lifestyle, well being and entire substance at the hand of the leader, only to be dealt with cruely, abusively, and devastatingly. Not going to argue the point of whether the followers should accept any blame for their own naivete of following some pompous person in the first place as most began this pursuit in the utmost of genuine sincerity, same as a house pet anxiously awaits the arrival of its more intellectual and hopefully beneficial master.
I still resent how Alamo (35 years ago) said weak Christians are afraid to shoot 'bambi.'
I still will not shoot bambi, there is no thrill in that for me, but seeing a deer family, at twilight, in the mist on the side of a florida country road, in all their created majesty, now that thrills me! Don't feel I have to drink coffee black either. Isn't freedom great! |
worm_can_opener
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Posted From: 70.243.160.182
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I had one dog that I loved, with all my heart, (and still do) a brindle pitbull, named Brodie. I got Brodie when he was 5 weeks old, and in spite of being trapped with an abuser, Brodie was always there to comfort me. When I was out shopping,etc., and some dirty old man said something to me, Brodie would start snarling and growling, and trying to get out, through the window of the car, thrashing with all 4 feet, I'm convinced he would have killed the person, if it were not for that window. The Lord never ceased to be my comfort and refuge, but how nice it was, when total discouragement tried to take over, that my dog would jump up on my lap, with "doggie kisses" and wanting to cuddle. On one side I was recieving pure hate, on the other side, nothing but love. One time, I fell, going through a doorway, and when Brodie saw me lying there, he rushed over and was kissing one side of my face, then the other, over and over again, until I was actually laughing !! he brought such joy into my life!!! No person, except another person who has had such a wonderful dog in their life to love, will ever understand how much a person can love their dog.
One day, I was able to run for my life. I grabbed up my belongings, leaving thousands( yes, thousands) of dollars behind (kept hidden in the freezer of my shop) got Brodie all loaded up, and then took off for San Antonio. When I realized I had left the cash behind, I returned, and scooped it up, taking off again.( that dog means much more to me than money, to this very day) There was no place that I could go, having a dog with me, so I went crawling back to the abuser, to endure another year and 3 months of hideous abuse (not trying to get sympathy at all, it's just the facts) On Mar 13th, 1996, Brodie had become the dad of 11 darling puppies, these also brought tremendous joy into my life, but things got worse and worse, until life was nothing but ONE BIG BUMMER. On June 15th of 1997, I had an opportunity to escape. I wasn't under surveillance that day. (a big oaf that he knew, followed me around town)and the abuser had taken off for the day, (unknown to me for hours) It was time for me to get a life, and I took off (trying as hard as I could to not even get a glimpse of the dogs.) I wanted so much from life, I just couldn't let my dogs hinder me from escaping, and having freedom, at last !!! I thank God I was able to pull the escape off, that that devil didn't come driving up, as I was throwing my stuff into the car. I do have tons of pictures of the dogs, and millions of memories, too !! I was given the choice on that day...have the dogs for a short while and be murdered, or run for my life. I ran. |
wellilbe
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Posted From: 66.55.238.200
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Interesting talk of animals and souls. Ive know and loved many four-legged creatures ( different than varmits). Amazing how a dog knows when someone is up to no good! Their bark and posture is different. Trust their sense; even an abused or lost and abandoned animal knows when someone means them no harm. |
mixter1
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Posted From: 76.214.12.80
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Wellilbe,
Good pint. Thats a gut instinct in humsns I would say.We were taught there to ignore feelings and or by the word of God. Well the word of God itself said it way wrong to be part of this. When I started to reason things out; There was a feeling that what was going on there was wrong all along.
Claudia, I am glad you got out of that situation. So, that we can attend to this duty here. Perv has got to go!!! |
worm_can_opener
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Posted From: 70.243.160.182
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he will go !!!! one of these days, every evil thing will be made manifest. I can't wait to see what transpires with this O.J. thing, also. So he was "above the law", huh ?? TAURUS POOP !!!! |
wild_dream
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Posted From: 76.172.220.122
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I love animals, nature, and the creation too (but not more than the creator}, but if animals (dogs), have a soul then why do most people eat animals? I have'nt heard anyone on here preaching vegetarianism, and the word does'nt forbid eating animals either. |
heynow
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Posted From: 71.140.202.39
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Regarding Bambi and eating animals. I was on tree crew in the 80's. We were living in the Colorado mountains and one of the brothers borrowed a neighbors rifle. Lever action Winchester 25-20 with an octagon barrel as I recall. Anyway there were flocks of deer running around constantly and the brother would occasionally shoot one (out of season of course). It got skinned and cooked. Yep mighty fine deer dinner shot and cooked up by the beloved brothers. Did I eat it? You bet I did. Later the neighbor shot an elk (in season with a hunting license). He wanted us to help him bucher it (elk is a very large animal). Yes, I pitched in. Of course the neighbor offered some elk meat for helping. Did you ever have fresh elk? Very good stuff. About a year later we had a pet fawn. Did we eat it? No NEVER! This fawn really was Bambi. At least to us. |
brother_d
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Posted From: 68.155.164.169
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Did I mention I'm a vegetarian? No Bambis on my plate! |
willie
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Posted From: 76.16.61.111
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What about the rat or shark or African wild dog or hyena or cobra, do they have souls, or is it just domesticated and harmless animals that have souls? |
brother_d
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Posted From: 68.155.164.169
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I wonder more about some people having souls more than I do about animals. Does tonee have a soul? If so, it's probably comparable to the rat or shark or African wild dog. |
anchored
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Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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I know the people that are in hell right now wish they didn't have a soul. They wish they could be like a rat, skunk, or wild dog whose spirit went downward to the earth and that was the end of it. And yes, Brother D, toe-knee does have a soul but the thing is, he may end up wishing he didn't.
I, like Brother D wonder how animals, who don't have a soul, but yet have unconditional love. While some humans who say they are Christians are treacherous in their treatment of others, i.e., toe-knee and those of his mindset. The Lord said they are like unto a brute beast. That's comparable to the African wild dog.
One thing I remember that Sue said once. She said there are pets in heaven and we can have our favorite pet that we had here, and they will be there waiting for us. I hope that is true. |
anchored
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Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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By the way, just a reminder. The Bible does speak of many kinds of animals in heaven, even snakes, the child shall play on the hole of the asp and put his hand on the cockatrice den. Lambs, lions, leopards, calves, and a little child shall lead them. Cows and bears shall lie down together and the lions shall eat straw like the ox. |
wild_dream
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Posted From: 76.172.220.122
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You're a cokatarian, you and Ian. |
iasmann
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Post Number: 354
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Posted From: 65.6.192.147
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Actually I never said that about coke. I live a very healthy lifestyle. Just ask my doctor. DOCTOR PEPPER! |
wild_dream
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Posted From: 76.172.220.122
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I forgot to mention, they have to be "cold". |
brother_d
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Posted From: 72.152.79.99
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If Sue said it, you can consider it suspect. |
jackrussell
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Posted From: 70.126.185.30
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Bro d, you definitely taking the higher ground with the vegan action. The ideal, if one has the money and the choice would be to do likewise. However, most, including moi like the taste of meat too much, the pure and simple truth of the matter.
Always been impressed with Paul McCartneys' stance as a vegan, he owned a big piece of English countryside with many different beast and foul. He considered the domestic animals as pets, they were not for dinner. Way cool, got to envy that kind of strength. But if one is starving in the heartland of Africa, that would be another story. |
heynow
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Posted From: 71.140.202.39
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I remember eating at resturant in Los Angeles. As the usual practice; there are signed celebrity photos on the wall. Paul McCartney's signed photo was up there. I remember reading what he wrote something like "Thanks for the Veggie."
I try to eat healthy and I use my "Jack LaLanne Power Juicer" often. However I do eat meat. I am thawing out some ostrich meat now, to cook later. |
wild_dream
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Posted From: 76.172.220.122
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I've seen picures of Paul making "goat's head" hand sign, acknowledging that he's in the occult. I do admire his musical talent though. Someone at the foundation told me "it's like why does the devil have all the good music". I think it was Ray Jarew. |
brother_d
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Posted From: 72.145.150.124
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And years before that, everyone was finding clues that Paul was dead. You don't have to be in the occult to be a vegetarian. Or a musician. I'm not sure what Paul's religion is, but he's made some great music over the years. I don't preach vegetarianism. It's just a personal choice, nothing to do with goat's heads. |
brother_d
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Posted From: 72.145.150.124
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I have to admit that I've noticed this board getting a bit preachy, which is odd since we're all a bunch of former cultists. Let's empasize the "former". A little more open mindedness might be preferable, to my way of thinking. |
jackrussell
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Posted From: 70.126.185.30
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It's not 'odd' it's 'baggage.' Just as a former alcoholic, or abused spouse has to be careful for life to not fall into the same trap. If one can be conscious of their own weaknesses, strides can always be maintained to put up the bulwark against repetitive failure in that respect. So often then, for the former cultist, it is good to read between the lines and not be so quick to jump the Amen gun. For it was that which was between the lines that gave out the line item veto, and began a rescue package from fallacy. |
wild_dream
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Posted From: 76.172.220.122
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I've seen interesting pictures of others on the internet making the goat's head sign of the devil, including Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Amy Grant, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, ect.. Were they making the sign of the Texas Longhorns or some kind of "I love you sign", personnally I don't think so, they all know enough to know better. |
brother_d
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Posted From: 72.145.150.124
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...and so we enter into another conspiracy theory. Was there a grassy knoll involved in any of this? |
jackrussell
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Posted From: 70.126.185.30
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And then again, it is advisable to not read too much in between the lines! |
modesto
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Posted From: 76.209.130.51
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I walked in to a laundry on Hollywood Blvd.(I don't remember what for or whether I was out witnessing or whatever)during the Crescent Heights days,and as I entered, a guy leaning against the counter by the cash register,looked directly at me as I was coming in and raised his arm and made the "goat sign"(not called that back then) and also what Lee (later)told me (he used to be in to that)was a "power stare".When this man did this I felt the most hedious, sickening,ghastly Power, like electricity,surge toward me,from him rather,than from above (which is where I always felt the Spirit coming during wittnessing,prayer and at other Holy times).This power nearly made me fall over,it was so spiritually strong.I practically ran back out of that laundry.
Now,since the advent of ,first the Stone's "Goat Head Soup" Metallica and so on and so fourth throughout the intervening years, this sign is weakened and just isn't the same ,it's a fad like the hoola hoop.Back in 1970 it was deadly serious, especially amongst "Levyian Satanists" |
modesto
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Posted From: 76.209.130.51
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Oops, that should be "Laveyian",referring to Anton Lavey's students. |
alanb
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Posted From: 97.76.44.82
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I didn't think that Bill had started his own cult group! (LOL) |
wild_dream
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Posted From: 76.172.220.122
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Those who delve into the occult will be judged by God, and the sentence will be hell. |
wild_dream
Intermediate Member
Username: wild_dream
Post Number: 203
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 76.172.220.122
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 8:31 am: |
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Those who delve into the occult will be judged by God, and the sentence will be hell, unless they repent. |
brother_d
Intermediate Member
Username: brother_d
Post Number: 445
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 72.145.82.19
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 8:56 pm: |
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Let's get some of the starch out of our shirts here and get back to the topic of this forum - Survivors Speak. Aren't you glad you don't have someone breathing down your neck with a report pad anymore? You're a freewill person. Thank God for that. |
heynow
Intermediate Member
Username: heynow
Post Number: 437
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 71.130.211.2
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 10:29 pm: |
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Brother D, I think the "report pad" folks were trying to please tony. In many cases tony was pleased with them but, there is a chance God wasn't. My outlook on the situation (when I was in the foundation and out) is it really didn't matter if tony was pleased. The true focus is if God was pleased, not tony. There were many times I was certain God was pleased with me but, tony wasn't. Anyone with this type of insight and understanding won't last long living at the foundation. I am sure you understand. |
brother_d
Intermediate Member
Username: brother_d
Post Number: 446
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 72.145.82.19
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 6:37 am: |
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I understand. I'm sure I'd be shown the door within five minutes if I showed up there today...but I'd be happy to go through it. |
wilma | |
