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heynow
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Username: heynow
Post Number: 97
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 71.130.211.178
| | Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 10:36 pm: | 
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Just a quick question for factnet Alamo Foundation readers. How many factnet readers would enjoy seeing tony alamo repent of his evil deeds? |
no_stoppin_me
Junior Member
Username: no_stoppin_me
Post Number: 28
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 65.10.49.148
| | Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 10:46 pm: |
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I could care less! |
pacanfouke
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Username: pacanfouke
Post Number: 7
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 205.188.116.74
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 12:06 am: |
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Nope. I want him in jail then in Hell. |
mixter1
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Username: mixter1
Post Number: 12
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.133.40.8
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 1:14 am: |
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Hi,
Repentance for this creep requires real world restoration. Litigation:
A. Recompense of diverted corporate funds to those who hold interest. There was an implication
of ownership for all of us who worked so hard at
varied jobs. This judgmernt shows promise. It gives us power in share and equity. But the hearing whould take forever.
B. The above and corporate fraud. We as investors
in the businesses and properties were mislead. There is both conspiracy to commit fraud and labor law violations. Sexual violations.
Here you don't gain as much because here is a clause that includes therapy. USLESS!
There are 3 other judgements but fraud under articles of corporation seem the best.
This man can repent in equity. We wanted to spread the gospel. This Tony spread madness.
AGAIN: I'll take his repentance in equity.
-Mix |
raining
Junior Member
Username: raining
Post Number: 48
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 69.229.119.112
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 1:19 am: |
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Tony suffers from such strong delusion that he believes everything that comes out of his mouth!
He thinks he is God's special fair haired child - in fact Tony probably thinks he is almost equal with God |
jackrussell
Junior Member
Username: jackrussell
Post Number: 39
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 24.73.22.232
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 1:34 am: |
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Close custody, but as part of his supervision, he should be instructed(forced) to tell all his followers and the entire world that he lied about most everything and to recant the deceptive biblical interpretations he used to deceive those that would unfortunately listen to and heed his illicit ramblings. A strict diet would most certainly be in order, there is much fat to be lost. A prison cemetary burial in a pine box would be most appropriate.
Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess the Truth in that day. Truth is Lord, and Truth is King. Lord of Lords, and King of Kings.
Everyone will be forced to speak the truth on that day, whether they want to or not, I would not call that repentance, repentance is a freely made choice inspired by the Godly sorrow of the Holy Spirit. Tony Alamo has directed and produced his own destiny, and he will certainly have to face eternity about it |
smitty
Junior Member
Username: smitty
Post Number: 44
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 207.200.116.135
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 2:34 am: |
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I imagine the earliest Christians felt the same way about Saul of Tarsus. Yes I would rather see T.A. repent than perish. If it actualy happened, I would have a serious problem 'cause I would NEVER belive it possible (then again, that would be my problem, not God's)but... " He shall have judgement without mercy that has shewed no mercy" and "With whatsoever measure ye met it shall be measured unto you" |
modesto
Intermediate Member
Username: modesto
Post Number: 128
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.86.224
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:13 am: |
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LOL,Jack.You know about "close custody"? |
modesto
Intermediate Member
Username: modesto
Post Number: 129
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.86.224
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 3:16 am: |
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Hey Now,
If God accepted Tony's repentance,who am I to object?
John |
willie
New member
Username: willie
Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 76.16.61.111
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 4:33 am: |
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Luk 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
If God forgave you all the wickedness you have done, shouldn't you be willing and able to do the same?
As far as forgiving, we should all be perfect, like God wants us to be.
"...............and ye shall be the children of the Highest...." |
modesto
Intermediate Member
Username: modesto
Post Number: 130
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.86.224
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 5:05 am: |
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Willie,
Can you give me a hint who you are?
How wonderful and beautiful are the things you say!
Holy Jesus,please reveal yourself.
Amen,
John |
jackrussell
Junior Member
Username: jackrussell
Post Number: 40
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 24.73.22.232
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 10:55 am: |
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Forgiveness, for sure is complex, but essential for ones own forgiveness.
As defined by websters; Pardon. To cease resentment against another. To give up claim for injury and grant relief from payment for wrong. (Christs' death and resurrection.)
Is forgiveness to be entirely unconditional? Or is the condition complete repentance, remorse, or what? Should every repentant prisoner be instantly released back into society? Is forgiveness replete with forgetfulness? Can there be one without the other? Does forgiveness completely forgo any punishment? Can we have it both ways? Can we completely forgive and yet demand extreme punitive measures? It would seem the godly forgiveness cannot be both, but of complete absolution without taking, but instead to give, to for-give.
In the human state, and society, forgiveness is indeed complex, and a commandment I have pondered often, yet still without the full understanding of its' practical application in all cases. But let God be the judge. |
anchored
Junior Member
Username: anchored
Post Number: 43
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 71.205.65.52
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 11:30 am: |
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Even in the Bible forgiveness is contingent upon repentance, i.e., Jesus said to Mary Magdalene, where are thine accusers. She said, there are none Lord. He said back to her, neither do I accuse thee. Go and sin no more. There's the key. Repentance and go and sin no more.
Then the Lord also told us if we do sin we do have an advocate with the Father who, if we confess our sins (to him), is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Not referring to TA who constantly and unrepentantly sins, by lying, committing adultery and fornication, raping, beating/abusing God's children and adults which are sins that will definitely keep one out of heaven.
That's my perception. |
raining
Junior Member
Username: raining
Post Number: 49
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 69.230.27.121
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 11:31 am: |
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God is the judge and Tony is going to stand before his maker, just like all of us. Where toni alamo spends eternity is between him & God. However as long as Tony Alamo proclaims he is the "World Pastor" and cons unsuspecting souls into believing he is God's spokesperson on earth - then I am going to keep telling the TRUE FACTS about that wicked, high-heel wearing dwarf!
1. Tony Alamo has commanded the bloody beating of foundation children. He had them suspended spread-eagle in mid-air and ordered the number of swats (1-120), the child was to receive by one of the big brothers.
Tony Alamo has beaten some of the foundation children himself with the board of education.
2. Tony Alamo has several wives - all living in his house with him to this very day!
3. Tony Alamo has 3 children by 3 different women, all living in his house with him.
1. Sharon & Tony's son - Sion
2. Lydia & Tony's son - Tabor
3. Lizzy & Tony's daughter - Antoinette.
4. Tony Alamo has sex with under-age virgin daughters of his congregation. He forces them into his bed by telling them god told him (tony) they are to be his wife, and if they don't submit to his demands then death and hell are at hand for their disobedience and also their entire family will be kicked out of the foundation!
5. Tony Alamo continually lies on his radio broadcasts. He is so brazen that he dares people to prove he is married to more than 1 woman by producing a marriage license.
Tony we all know how you were married to Sharon and then you started polygamy and took Lydia to wife. Then you went on a roll - you took Tammi, Mishael, Jodi, Angel, Jeanne, Lizzy, Amy and the list goes on and on. So stop with all the LIES TA!
We are so glad Jeanne, Amy and Desiree got away from a predator like you!
(Message edited by Raining on July 23, 2007) |
weaned_child
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Username: weaned_child
Post Number: 23
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 85.195.123.25
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Yes, I can and will whole-heartedly say a mighty Amen! to that, that we are so-o-o glad and comforted in our hearts that they've been delivered from such tragic circumstances.
a few more questions…
1 Where and how is bitterness divided from righteous indignation for they are by no means one and the same? (one eats as a canker...)
2 For the sake of preserving ones own eternal soul, when and how does one know where to draw the line: to let go and let God? |
jackrussell
Junior Member
Username: jackrussell
Post Number: 41
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 24.73.22.232
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 5:46 pm: |
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Weaned,
#2 excellent question! Ties in with the whole forgiveness thing and how. Forgive and forget, easier said than done. I know the scriptures do not contradict, but sometimes hard to sort out and make the correct practical application.
For punitive measures, how far is society supposed to go against individuals that commit heinous acts. Which scriptures are to be applied without contradicting others. Death penalty, torment and torture ok for some, or none? USA and all nations have been involved withal.And then what about self defense? Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
These are very hard questions for me, and I do not have any definitive answer other than taking each individual on a case by case basis, and then by God hope you are doing the right thing.
My 2 cents,......G |
brother_d
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Username: brother_d
Post Number: 80
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 72.152.76.148
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:50 pm: |
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I know it's hard for many who have been abused by Tonee to forgive, but if he TRULY repented (and that would be manifest by his works), then we must forgive him. Otherwise, we would be like he is now, of an evil heart. No one says we have to like him though. |
smitty
Junior Member
Username: smitty
Post Number: 45
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 207.200.116.135
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 10:06 pm: |
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And if he truly repented, he would march right down to the F.B.I. and turn himself in. (wouldn't that be a sight!) |
mixter1
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Username: mixter1
Post Number: 13
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.133.40.8
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 10:18 pm: |
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Thanks Bro-d,
Thank you for clarifying the stages of repentance
and forgiveness. To repent is to turn from sin and reform ones life. To feel truly sorry. To regret as well. To regret makes it necessary to make amends. He must do that. To PEOPLE not God. There are people he has harmed maybe for life(psychologically). Then I can see praying for him and forgiveness. He never really impressed me as a pastor. I never liked him maybe he knew it but he never hurt me. Again, like you pointed out TRUE repentance would be made manifest by his works. Who wants to be bitter for the rest of their lives? The foundation had helped people in ways perhaps we will never know. TA was part of that and some people feel in a big way. When it comes to him repenting I'm not holding my breath. I just can't see him doing it. He has never to my knowledge taken the blame for anything. Has he ever apologized to anyone? Please tell me. I really want to know this. Help me out.
- Mix |
mixter1
New member
Username: mixter1
Post Number: 14
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.133.40.8
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Hey Smitty,
SAY AMEN IF YA KNOW IT'S THE TRUTH!
...Glory HALLELUIAH!!!
-Mix |
mixter1
New member
Username: mixter1
Post Number: 15
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.133.40.8
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 10:42 pm: |
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Yeah,
The F.B.I. |
phahrrrt_detector
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Username: phahrrrt_detector
Post Number: 17
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 85.234.144.215
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 11:49 pm: |
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4 ol timz sayk
Shmoni culd wair
dat ol ty-dyed soot o hiz
datz ifn he goht
da staynz owt uh-corse
day juh voo
Phahrrrt detecter |
smitty
Junior Member
Username: smitty
Post Number: 46
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 207.200.116.135
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 1:57 am: |
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Amen! |
heynow
Intermediate Member
Username: heynow
Post Number: 113
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 71.130.211.178
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 4:24 am: |
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Any other ex foundation (or current) members care to respond to the "quick question"? |
worm_can_opener
Junior Member
Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 49
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.150.72.203
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 9:06 am: |
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I would like to respond-it may be a quick question-but will require a long answer. many years ago, someone used this story, that they had heard, to get a partial conception of eternity; "a bird takes one beakful of earth, transports it to a place 1 million miles away, comes back, gets one more beakful of earth, goes back, and so on and soforth, until the entire earth has been rebuilt, 1 million miles away !! the time it took to do this, would not even SCRATCH the SURFACE of eternity !! I realized when hearing that, that I, myself, could never send anyone to hell...but remember- God is righteous and holy, though he created hell for the devil and his angels-some people have become so wicked, that he HAS to send them to hell. I, personally do not want anyone to burn in hell, knowing it's eternal torment, and pain beyond description- but, as we all know- according to God's unchangable word- Tony has done terrible things, and at the end of his life (which is as a vapor of smoke) he will give account for all the heinous acts, done to people, as if done to Christ, himself. "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a sranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, LORD, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a sranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee ? Then he shall answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." Matt. 25:41-46. |
jackrussell
Junior Member
Username: jackrussell
Post Number: 45
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 70.126.184.195
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 9:50 am: |
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Claudia, I agree with you, the reality of a forever hell is above my comprehension and wish list for anyone but....I can understand it in part. God can see us as born again upon our entrance into eternity, like the little innocent child we once were. The same way the mother of the mass murderer can rememember her child the way it once was, in innocence.
Or God cannot remember us in that innocence, or he can say He never knew you in that way because of the way you are as having morphed into the full monte of Satan, you then are no longer really you, the innocent, but instead, Satan.
But let God be judge. Not the quick answer, but felt the last post was very poignant and wanted to respond.......G |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 51
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.150.72.203
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Thank you, G,
one thing that I am perplexed over, on a daily basis, is; "WHY would someone who KNEW THE TRUTH, and quoted scripture for decades, spoke about visions of hell, and preached the fear of the Lord, and even got all fanatical (like having the boys duck down on their bus, so they couldn't even see what a girl looked like, and even did that with adults, having a sister RING A BELL, when a jacket was done, then hang it up, quickly, on the other side of the door, so as not to have them even SEE one another ??) was toni simply immune to the word of God ?? was he LAUGHING inside, that we actually did read and believe what is on those many pages ?? and look at the living reality of the things he actually is guilty of !!!; the Lord says " I was in prison, and you didn't visit me" toni has IMPRISONED young girls, in a satanically-inspired HAREM- MUCH WORSE !! " I was naked, and you didn't clothe me" toni has beaten innocent young children with boards, until they were bloody- MUCH WORSE !! " I was hungry, and you failed to feed me"- toni has ripped off the saints, put them to work in various forms of slave labor, bought every possible LUXURY with their hard-earned money- MUCH WORSE !! "I was sick, and you didn't come and see me"- toni has RAPED LITTLE GIRLS AND WOMEN, bashed women into walls, knocking them unconscious ! KICKED 4 year olds around the room, bruising them, to the degree that they had to stay home, and unseen, for DAYS !! he's PUNCHED little kids, with his ring on, to teach them a lesson !! does perversions, and then blasphemes God, by giving himself that pompous false title- "WORLD PASTOR" In my opinion, he sealed his fate, long ago. |
saved_21570
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Username: saved_21570
Post Number: 58
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 172.164.188.205
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For me it is a mute point.
I have posted this before, but for those who have not heard it, here goes.
Unlike a lot of the brethren, the day I was put out was one of the most heartbreaking days off my life.
I knew, for quite awhile, that Tony was backsliden and getting worse and worse. I knew when he divorced Brigitta, that it was sin, then of course he quickly went through two or three more marriages, and divorces. I honestly thought that almost everyone else saw the same thing.
I began to fast and pray. It is funny, because sometime in that period, Tony began the fasting on Wednesday doctrine, and God always had me on a different schedule. I would just go off by myself and eat in private. I knew better than to be brought into that bondage.
Anyway, it was a time of deep spiritual growth for me.
There was one message Tony gave that was the final catalyst for me. (Not because it was a Spirit filled message, quite the opposite.) I knew I had to cease from the fear of man (Tony in particular) and fear nothing but God. That is when I began to report things I considered serious, that in the past I would not have brought up, simply because Tony's predictable response would have been negative. |
saved_21570
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Username: saved_21570
Post Number: 59
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 172.164.188.205
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Long story short. In Miami after I reported that the souls, that had been getting saved, were now falling asleep, because Tony wanted them to listen to his tapes, as opposed to having the bros/sis witness to them. The predictable outcome happened and I was put out.
I had honestly thought that Tony, and the crooked path he had stared down, would have changed, before being put out. (I know I was quite naive.)
I honestly loved Tony. I guess that is one of the advantages of being on tree crew and observing from afar. I knew that I would never go back, but I would pray for Tony every day. Even after I heard about the polygamy sewer he had begun, I still prayed fervently for him. I also began in earnest to pray for this girls who were being trapped into this horrible abuse. (I still do pray for them. From the first to the last. At one time, EVERY one of them either came into the church because they wanted to serve God, or were born of those who did.)
One day, I was driving back from Orlando, from a business trip. It was on of those special times. I was by myself and praying and shouting and rejoicing before the Lord for hours, and the Spirit of the Lord was palpable.
When I arrived at my warehouse, I opened my Bible and started reading. I was in Galations chapter one.
When I read the Scripture, "though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." The Lord spoke very plainly to my heart, "WILL YOU BLESS WHOM I CURSE?" immediately after that He added, "AND YOU WITH THAT KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE."
I just said, Lord you don't have to tell me twice.
What was stressed to me in those Scriptures was, "LET HIM BE ACCURSED." In other words, "Get out of my way." Our prayers are being are being heard and I was hindering what God had said was his righteous judgment.
So, back to the question. Would I like to see Tony repent? I believe it is beyond what we would like or dislike. He has defiled vessels God has reserved for his purpose. It is God Almighty, whose bride he thought to dishonor that he is going to have to deal with now. |
jackrussell
Junior Member
Username: jackrussell
Post Number: 46
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 70.126.184.195
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Tom,... pretty heavy duty! What you have said is easy to understand in the big picture, really hope that those in bonds, inside those walls can read just what you have just stated. No one can legitimately argue the point. It would serve ole man Tony Alamo right if everyone there just left him one by one, completely alone.........................................
breaking his cycle of fear, at last! |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 53
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.150.72.203
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Everyone,
I sure do love the way the Lord has brought us into a sweet fellowship like this, through the internet. the internet's reputation sure has been blackened, through the most satanic forms of communication,advertising, etc. but we use it for exortation, encouragement, destroying confusion, and bringing understanding, and just having a home base with the saints !! So glad we can give heart-felt opinions, which often differ very much- but are still pondered, read with reflection, examined, even questioned at times. so neat- how we are separated by miles and states, yet together, in a way we could never have imagined-years ago. The Apostle Paul must look down and say to himself; "sure wish we had had some of those machines" Claudia |
mixter1
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Username: mixter1
Post Number: 24
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 71.133.124.167
| | Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 4:09 pm: |
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Claudia,
Amen! You are certainly right. To me the spirit is much stronger. When I'm down I come here. It's a home base to me also. This forum is about spiritual recovery through humor, advice, the word, and the spirit. It also obligation because we empowered TA. He can not handle power, alcohol, drugs, from what I here. It's just got to stop. He is a danger to others. TA's robe must be black with mud.
-Mix 1:07P LA |
heavensangel
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Username: heavensangel
Post Number: 5
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.178.128.31
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SO WHAT IF TONY HAS 3 KIDS BY 3 DIFFERENT WOMEN,THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT DO THAT,WHY DONT YOU POST THINGS ABOUT THEM INSTEAD OF ONLY TONY? |
pacanfouke
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Username: pacanfouke
Post Number: 9
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 205.188.117.202
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"SO WHAT IF TONY HAS 3 KIDS BY 3 DIFFERENT WOMEN,THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT DO THAT,WHY DONT YOU POST THINGS ABOUT THEM INSTEAD OF ONLY TONY?"
Because this is a blog about that lying pervert. Tell us, is Alamo the only man in that church holy enough to have more than one wife? Is he the only one holy enough to begat children with all the young women? I'm just curious. |
heavensangel
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Username: heavensangel
Post Number: 17
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.178.128.31
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he doesnt beget children with all the young women,and it has nothing to do with if hes the holiest man in the church or not,he never says that |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 59
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 70.242.184.205
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this is an assignment from toe-knee, isn't it ?? put someone new on Factnet. give up on trying to hoodwink the people on here, who were cult members for years and years. READ the things written on this message board- toni alamo is a raping, molesting, filthy, great-grandfather age SCUMBAG !!! you are wasting your time- we already have seen his adultery, fornication, and how he rapes little girs, molests, does perversions, you are making toe-knee even more of a target, by posting all your lies, antavia. he really doesn't NEED ANYONE ELSE shoving his foot into his mouth, he's been expertise at it, without your help !!!!! LOL we BEG YOU...GET A LIFE !!! |
heavensangel
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Username: heavensangel
Post Number: 20
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.178.128.31
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tony dosnt even know im on here,im not there any more,these are my own words,worm |
heynow
Intermediate Member
Username: heynow
Post Number: 124
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 71.142.3.105
| | Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 6:25 pm: |
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Heaven, Does tony know about factnet? If he does know, tell us his comments on it. |
heavensangel
New member
Username: heavensangel
Post Number: 24
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.178.128.31
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i dont know if tony knows or not,im sure he wouldnt have any comments of his own anyway.
who is worm can opener? |
heynow
Intermediate Member
Username: heynow
Post Number: 126
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 71.142.3.105
| | Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 6:53 pm: |
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Have you met Tony Alamo? |
mixter1
Junior Member
Username: mixter1
Post Number: 26
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.214.19.123
| | Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 7:24 pm: |
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Hi,
I wish he would repent; Stop what he is doing;
Step down as pastor. That would be SO BIG of
him. Who wants to see anyone in hell?
-Mix |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 60
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 70.242.184.205
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who is worm_can_opener ?? that's EASY, the one who loves opening cans full of worms (expose's on t.a.) here's what you do, Antavia, you READ all the many posts (above all things) and the Lord will reveal who lots of us are- but that's the condition.... that you read the truth !! here's one hint- I was once married to one of the Justin Miller beaters. he held an arm or a leg, while terry farr beat the tar out of the poor, 11 year old boy with a long PADDLE !!! (yes, Antavia, it's TRUE)) shortly after that horrendous beating, which caused BLOOD to ooze out of Justin's jeans, (in front of EVERYONE THERE !) do you remember Jesseca ?? she told me, a few days later, that the preaching pedophile (toe-knee) had re-gathered his audience of children (forced to be there to WATCH the beating) he told them to come back over to his house, saying to all those children, ages 3-15,"nobody was spanked" "you didn't see a spanking" "there was no spanking" Jesseca was bewildered, this was "her papa toni", and she just didn't even know what to think. you MUST BELIEVE US, toni alamo is a wolf in sheep's clothing !!! beware ! love, Worm |
mimi
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Posted From: 70.178.128.31
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what did justin do that was so bad? |
heavensangel
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 70.178.128.31
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hey_now,of course ive met tony,ive known him since i was a baby,have you ever met him? |
wilma
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Post Number: 48
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Posted From: 72.186.198.30
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Mimi,
I don't know for sure because I was not in California at the time and there are various rumors as to why he was BEATEN. I heard from someone who was there that Justin had gone into the prayer room with his classmates and that he had burped or passed gas and then laughed (the way kids do). He had also been judged as saying something disrespectful to an adult. I think Tony started the rumor that Justin had thrown a rock at one of the pit bulls. Someone said his step-dad Mark Landgarten had it in for the kid.
What I do know is that there are a MULTITUDE of witnesses that saw the BRUTAL BEATING. MANY credible people have told me that they were eye witnesses. So WHY did Tony Alamo lie about it since he was the one who ordered the beating????
Terry Farr administerred the baseball bat style beating while Kerry Yonkin, Mark Landgarten, Doug Christopher (goes by many names) and someone else held one of Justin's limbs during the beating.
Nothing Justin did deserved the kind of beating he received. Tony is merciless and has bloodlust and has beaten other children in his house similarly whether you have personally witnessed it or not.
Eye witnesses have said they saw Amy Eddy, Nikki Farr, Jordan Williams, Tabor Alamo, Jeanne Orlando, Lydia Willis all beaten. |
mixter1
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Username: mixter1
Post Number: 28
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.214.19.123
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Prayer
Dear Father I pray for us and our well-being. I also pray for others in Christ. We are not like sheep. You have made us smarter than most people. We are like submarines under the radar of our enemy. You have made us special and we are grateful. God, with your spirit you have held us up. We have stood where others have fallen. We carry your word. Your word is both in our hearts and memory. We have witnessed to those that perish and to those who need you. The sinners prayer and the blood of Christ is what saves those that perish. It also changes lives. May we always continue our testimony.Open hearts to receive your word. Dear God we are sad inside and feel pity for those inside the foundation. May you reach them and enable them; That they stay righteous and not follow any bad examples. Strengthen them to stand against evil. Rid them of Toni so that they can a good paster, even from among themselves.Despite being foundation members for a good length of time we have made a life for ourselves. We thank you dear father that you indeed cannot fail.In the name of Jesus Christ I pray for all on this forum
and all in Christ, Amen.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away behold all things are become new. |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
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Posted From: 70.242.184.205
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Mimi,
I was reading your above question; what did Justin do, to merit the brutal beating, orchestrted by toni alamo ??? well, I only know of ONE INCIDENT, because I used to be married to Kerry Yonkin, and this is the "gospel truth"- Justin was hitting Kerry with a stick. Now tell me, truthfully...did an eleven year old boy, recently adopted, who's mother had died, deserve to be hit, full-force, by a grown man 140-155 times, until BLOOD was pouring through his jeans ?? isn't this true story a very pitiful one ?? here was a little boy, being brutalized by a man, no chance of escaping !! 4 men were holding him up in the air, so the paddle would hit, right on target !! according to most people, he recieved 140 swats, according to Kerry Yonkin, he counted 155. Either way, he was terrorized that night, at the unmerciful hands of toni alamo, who read scriptures through the whole ordeal, and kept on ordering MORE SWATS, over a speaker-phone, from his house, next door !!! This beating is one of many, at the very least, 25. Mimi, whoever you are, I ask you only ONE QUESTION...is toni alamo of God, or of the devil ??? Can Opener |
mimi
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Posted From: 70.178.128.31
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that is absolutly of the devil! if that realy happend,nobody deserves to be beat like that,i was just asking because i was curious. |
worm_can_opener
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Posted From: 70.242.184.205
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well, Mimi, like Susie Groulx said,"there were all kinds of witnesses, including the 13 or 14 kids, from age 3 to 15, ordered to observe the beating. that happened around 1987, so figure out their ages now, and the trauma it may have very likely left them with- so sad. Worm |
heynow
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Username: heynow
Post Number: 129
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 71.142.3.105
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Heaven, Of course I have met him. Spoke with him many times over the years I was at the foundation. When was the last time you spoke with him? |
modesto
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Post Number: 143
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.104.3
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Mimi,
I know it's really hard at first,just take it slow, try to keep an open mind and pray constantly that God will show you the REAL truth about all this.
John |
saved_21570
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Post Number: 67
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Posted From: 172.165.181.162
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mimi,
I personally defended Tony Alamo on many occasions. There was a time, for a few months, my whole assignment was calling into talk radio programs across the United States.
I told what I thought was the truth. That sure we believed in spanking, but no one was ever beaten bloody. I was mainly a tree crew brother, so, I guess I was a pretty convincing witness. The problem is, I was not an actual witness at all.
About a year or so later, while the main court stuff was still going on, I was working with Terry Farr. Terry told me that he was afraid he might be called to testify in court. I was a little taken back and asked. "Why is that?" Terry Farr told me, "Well, the brothers told Tony 'There is blood oozing from his pants', and Tony just said, 'Well, clean em up.'" Then Terry added, "What am I going to say?"
I still justified Tony in my mind. Thinking that he must not have realized how bad it was.
Forward another couple years or so. Nate Funmaker and Chuckie Mason were now on tree crew. They talked of all kinds of crazy abusive things that had gone on at the school. They also confirmed the beatings. Chuckie himself was beaten.
I was just beginning to get a clear picture.
When I read the testimonies on Factnet I wept. "At the mouth of two or more witnesses let all things be established." |
modesto
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Posted From: 70.134.104.3
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Saved-21470,
Your couage is worth a lot. |
modesto
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Posted From: 70.134.104.3
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courage |
modesto
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Post Number: 149
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Posted From: 70.134.104.3
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It is "OK' for a man to weep.A man who can't feel is not a man. |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
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Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 70.242.184.205
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We must never forget the satanic things that toni has done to children (and, for that matter, adults) children would be awakened during the night,out of a deep sleep, told by their parents to dress, that they had gotten a summons from the spec-house !! I can't even imagine the PURE TERROR they must have felt, having seen beatings of their peers, their friends, their brothers/sisters. their mental picture of the spec-house must have been the way I have always pictured those Siberian interrogation rooms, where they beat and tortured "enemies of the U.S.S.R." those kids must have turned white with fear, wishing there were some avenue of escape...but, as we know, there was none. Life, on a daily basis, should never have been such a horrendous experience for children, but how much WORSE is this imprisonment of girls, in a satanically inspired HAREM ?? to me,(being a woman) being raped by this old, decrepit, twisted geezer is many times worse than a beating with a paddle or 2x4, but none of these horrors should EVER have happened, to people who had given up their lives, most at a very young, vulnerable age, joined a CHURCH, were filled to capacity with zeal,loving the LORD, with all intentions of serving God,for the remainder of their lives, with all their heart, soul, mind, body and strength. |
raining
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Posted From: 68.127.113.96
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Lizzy was 15 or 16 years old when tony took her into his rapingmobile and forced himself on her. Jeanne was 15 or 16 years old when Tony forced himself on her.
Tony Alamo proclaims himself as the "World Pastor", and tries to con the world into believing he is the spokesperson for God. Tony alamo practices polygamy, has children by 3 different women, who all live in the same house. All the while on his radio program he lies and says he only has 1 wife!.
I had dinner with Tony Alamo and several of his wives at the Peabody Hotel in Memphis. At dinner that night was, myself, Tony Alamo, Sharon and Sion, Lydia, Angel, Jeanne & Lizzy (they were 15 & 16 years old)
During Tony's tax evasion case his polygamist ways and having sex with 15 year olds was brought up. Tony's answer - He invoked the 5th admendment 10 times . |
raining
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Posted From: 68.127.113.96
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Newspaper: The Commercial Appeal
Article: Alamo Found Guilty of Tax Evasion, Jailed
Date: 06/09/1994
"...U.S. Dist. Judge Jon McCalla ordered Alamo held without bond after a government witness testified that Alamo may have committed bigamy and statutory rape in the past 18 months."
The Witness, IRS special agent David Kimbrough, quoting one of Alamo's ex-wives, said Alamo took as many as nine wives, mostly teen and some as young as 15 years old. Kimbrough said some of the teenage wives were forced into the church marriages by threats of being thrown out of the church. At least one woman told agents she was forced to have sex with Alamo.
McCalla said anyone hearing Wednesday's testimony would be concerned due to "the very great control Mr. Alamo has over a great number of people.
Justice Department attorney Christopher Belcher also pointed out that Alamo was a fugitive between mid-1989 and mid-1991, when he was wanted on several criminal charges. He still faces felony child abuse charges in California, where he is accused of ordering the beating of the child of a follower...
Kimbrough said members of Alamo's church told IRS agents that they feared for their own daughters because Alamo recently had begun marrying girls as young as 12, and even suggested that he would marry his own stepdaughter, who is 11...
For the jurors, Alamo's testimony worked against him, she said: “He said we were sitting in the building of the church of Satan," in reference to his theory of a one-world church...
Among the 40 witnesses called by the government were former followers and three of Alamo's ex-wives who detailed his extravagant spending for himself and his wives.
An Arkansas banker testified that Alamo alone controlled more than 20 bank accounts in the name of various businesses under the Music Square Church.
Alamo took the witness stand himself to deny that he had any income in the years in question. He said that as the pastor, he was supported by the church, and that everything he did was to further his ministry.
He expounded on his theory of a conspiracy by the "Lucifer-worshipping" forces of the Vatican, IRS, FBI, Mafia and the new media, which he said was trying to create a "one-world" church/government to rule the world.
He invoked the Fifth Amendment 10 times when Belcher asked him whether he had multiple wives |
heynow
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Posted From: 71.130.213.152
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It seems to me only two posters answered yes to the "quick question." There were some posters that answered yes with "conditions". I think every poster would agree the world will be a better place after tony repents. |
wilma
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Posted From: 72.186.198.30
| | Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:21 am: |
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the World will be a better place when tony alamo is INCARCERATED. |
exmember10
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Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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Because I'm still dealing with some of the issues related to living in that place. I just can't see him repenting. I just can't see it ever happening. I think if he does that means I have died and gone to heaven. |
worm_can_opener
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Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.155.119.25
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Heynow- Tony Alamo does things that a REPROBATE does, don't turn blue in the face, waiting toni to suddenly CHANGE !! for a totally evil, rapist of CHILDREN, child-molester, thief of mattresses (meant for hurricane victims) false prophet, (scaring girls into marrying him, saying "the Lord wants you to marry me, or your whole family is kicked out, and then...you're all going to HELL !!") liar, cult-leader, accuser of the saints, pedophile, (lying in wait for ALL young females), greedy megalomaniac (raking in millions, from the labors of his congregation YOU, I, ALL OF US, who listened to his false promises and lies !!) totally self-absorbed, impersonator, (pretending for years, to be THE singer, tony alamo...NOT !!!) child abuser, (dishing out BLOODY BEATINGS to children and even adults) ???? get REAL, HEYNOW, toni alamo has doomed himself, from around 40 years of abominations !!!! how can you even think that that DEVIL FROM OUT OF HELL will repent ??? that isn't even intelligent. Claudia |
saved_21570
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Posted From: 172.133.131.138
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heynow,
It is always good to be concerned with human souls. Also, no matter what someone has done we should not allow our hearts to become bitter.
There comes a time when compassion needs to be shown toward the victims. We need to reach a place of maturity. As John said, "Some sin unto death, I do NOT say to pray for them."
Tom Alford |
heynow
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Post Number: 168
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Posted From: 71.130.213.152
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Saved, Is that a YES or a NO? |
floridian
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Post Number: 44
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 72.149.216.254
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Tom thanks,but your are phraseing it wrong and there is a big difference, you say," Some sin unto death, I do NOT say to pray for them." and that is what other versions of the bible says,yet the true word says,(1 John 5:16 ,If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
Do not pray for it,that sin. Praise the Lord. I have hope for all and ,you do to Tom I am sure, 1 John 5:15,And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
Please ask for mercy Tom for me and others for that will rejoice againest judgement,remember that, 1 John 5:17,All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
Thank you for your prayers Tom. |
brother_d
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Posted From: 67.34.246.188
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Quick question? How did we let tonee's minions take over FACTnet this week? Didn't anyone smell them coming? They couldn't take it over with their slander and lies, so now they've slipped in like angels of light. Don't be fooled folks. They've left their hoof prints everywhere! Where is Pharrt detector when we need him? |
bintheredunthat
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Post Number: 4
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Posted From: 65.6.192.147
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Hey now,
I think the reason why so few have actually answered your question is because they don't believe it is a possibility. People used to ask me, "If God told you to go back to the Foundation would you? My answer would usually be something like if God told you to murder someone would you do it?
In other words it ain't going to happen. Most of us don't believe that Tony is capable of repenting. Therefore we can't take the question seriously and answer it as we would a legitimate question. Now I would rejoice if floridian repented.
At the time of the Justin Miller beating Tony was in California living at # 7. I was out there as well. Tony was on one of his rampages where he was rebuking and name calling everyone. I had not spent a lot of time around Tony before this and The Lord was opening my eyes to how out of control he was and how much damage he was doing to the church. Particularly for acting on false reports and even making up stuff against people. I was praying for the Lord to show him what he was doing and had been praying for several days because the Lord was really dealing with me. Somehow I had remained unscathed during all this but eventually my turn came. I was the one being yelled at, chewed out name called etc. for something that wasn't even true. Right at the height of that rebuke when Tony was right in my face grinding his teeth and yelling at the top of his lungs the Lord spoke to me. He literally yelled into my heart and mind above Tony's screaming, "HE'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE!"
Many others have reported similar things. One brother said he looked at Tony after he got into the Polygamy and the Lord told him "brute beasts made to be taken and destroyed" another said that God told him Tony was just like Judas. There's been lots of incidents like this. So to me the question is pointless because it can't happen.
Of course he will be repenting after death eternally in hell and I have to say at that point I will be rejoicing and the sooner the better.
Attn: Tony's attorneys! This is not any kind of threat against Tony I am not threatening to kill him. Nor am I encouraging anyone else to. I know you want to write one of your intimidating letters so you can bill him another couple of thou but you'll just have to hold off. |
worm_can_opener
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Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.155.119.25
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I sure am thankful to God I never actually saw any of those horrendous beatings with 2x4's, boards, or horse-whips !! I can't imagine a child in any such predicament, taken by men, held up in the air by four of them, hearing Toni(blood-lust) Alamo's voice, telling them to start swinging, baseball-style, the pain inflicted, the crying, screaming, begging them to stop, the BLOOD !! one thing, though, I would have definately left a lot sooner than I did. probably the very next day. Those beatings were satanically inspired, destructive, discouraging, causing horrible satanic fear of toni, and doing anything "wrong". I pray for the adults, who once were toni's helpless victims of abuse- these beatings were done to feed toni's insatiable blood-lust, NOT the reforming of the child. |
mixter1
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Post Number: 116
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.214.13.246
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bin-there-dun-that,
I would have nightmares that I was back in the foundation. When confession time comes Tone has done nothing wrong. Not as much as look at another woman. He is legally blind? Fine, but he said one lie. "I love my wife", OK. Nothing else. He is not supposed to be driving and he gets mad and almost runs someone over. So what about his general bad attitude and disposition? |
exmember10
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Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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I've never seen any of these beatings myself. I came into the foundation much later, but I agree with warm-can-opener, I would have left much sooner, that second actually. I can't believe anyone could be that blind and brainwashed. I'm almost sick to my stomach reading about it. I don't know how anyone of those current followers plans to explain their tolerance for this can of abuse when judgment day comes. |
modesto
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Username: modesto
Post Number: 178
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.68.98
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Ex,
I left about thirty years ago.My issues with Tony and Susan regarded their conspicuous consumption of their vulgar display of wealth (gotten by the Foundation members,not themselves).One reason I stayed as long as I did was, I had to figure out a way to convince my beloved wife and best friends to split.The straw that broke the camel's back was when Tony said Susan suffered for my sins.(blasphemous heresy).
For decades I watched many of the posters on this board continue to follow Tony and Sue.Now,as you can see, they have turned against Tony and are posting the truth.Be very careful about suggesting the damnation of current members!! |
anchored
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Post Number: 126
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Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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I think God is a big God. He knows that people were deceived into thinking that T&S could do no wrong. Yes, it was wrong and some have expressed that they are sorry. All of us were young and vulnerable and many, in their deception, made some wrong decisions. God is a great God and full of mercy and forgiveness. Many have sincerely apologized to the kids already. Others still need to do that. The point though, is that we are all full of mistakes and we make them from the cradle to the grave. God already knows everyone's hearts and why we did/do things, good or bad. He is still working on all of us for all the right reasons. All of us are still works in progress and wouldn't still be here if we weren't. He wants us all to make it and, we will, with His (and each other's) encouragment and help. |
exmember10
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Modesto, anchored,
You are both correct. I guess I‘m just still a bit bitter about my experience. I apologize for my quick judgment of current members; after all I was once one of them. |
anchored
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Post Number: 127
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Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Jesus told us being merciful, compassionate and forgiving covers a multitude of sins. So that means even after we are washed in the Blood, we are still full of mistakes and need his forgiveness as we keep on trying to improve. We are all trying every day to be more and more like Jesus. It's a daily walk. Thank God, he's way more compassionate, patient and longsuffering than people tend to be with each other, or we'd all be in big trouble. Did i say that right? I hope so. |
anchored
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Post Number: 128
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Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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However, I want to make it clear that I think Tony has crossed the line. After all there is a limit to God's patience. Scary.
(Message edited by anchored on August 20, 2007) |
modesto
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Post Number: 179
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Posted From: 70.134.68.98
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LOL,
Again,G, PERFECT!! |
anchored
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Post Number: 129
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Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Thank you J, You have said so many things right on target also. I keep on learning from all of you and I thank God for each and every one of you faithful and sincere brothers and sisters.
I also want to make it clear that I have made many, many mistakes in my Christian walk and have had to learn the hard way about a lot of things. Thanks to my Savior and my Christian family (you guys), we can't lose. We will make it, that's why He said we're more than conquerors. |
floridian
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Post Number: 67
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Posted From: 72.149.216.254
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I am very very thankful For God's undeserved mercy that he has on me. |
modesto
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Username: modesto
Post Number: 181
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Posted From: 70.134.68.98
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G and Floridian,
In my book you couldn't be more right on!! |
exmember10
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Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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So now I have a question for everyone and anyone. Most of us realize Tony has crossed some lines. Why are we able to see that and still others (current followers) are just not. I know I'm not special but something inside me just knows that beating children bloody, raping little girls and violently going after ex-members are not of God. Again I never saw the beating or raps, although I know Tony has more than one wife. I also know from the tapes and visits he treats them like dirt. I am one of the ex-member he has been after and looking to destroy.
Do you think anyone of these followers know these things are just wrong? Why do you think they are staying and still supporting him? |
exmember10
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Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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I guess I just need all of you to help me pray that this little bit of bitterness in my heart for the foundation goes away completely. |
modesto
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Username: modesto
Post Number: 183
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.68.98
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For one, they have nowhere to go. For another, they can't admit to themselves they've been wrong all these years.They have been doing this for so long what else are they going to do?Sanford is in his seventies I think.Where is he going to go?Look at yourself, it is hard to admit "REALLY" bad stuff about yourself.Same for the current members. |
exmember10
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Username: exmember10
Post Number: 20
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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Are Sanford and his wife really that old? I guess you have a point. I know Tommy S, Rob S, Charlie, Steven W all came there very very young.
I know you are right I just struggle with these little things everyday. You guys just seem so much stronger than I am right now hopefully I’ll get there. |
anchored
Intermediate Member
Username: anchored
Post Number: 130
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Well, here's my 2 cents on that. The Lord opened our (the ex-members) eyes because we were willing to listen to His voice when He was beginning to show us and warn us about Tony. It took various time periods for various people to see the light.
Those still there are just so deep into thinking that this is where God called them and God said remain wherein ye are called and are so indoctrinated into all those scriptures that T&S misused and twisted so deceitfully to indoctrinate people into becoming their slaves and servants. Also, T&S thoroughly convinced them they were going to become reprobates, hoes, perverts, would end up in a mental institution, prison, on the street, would never be able to make it out in the world etc. if they left and then ultimately end up in hell.
Bottom line, T&S had such a grip on people's minds, hearts and souls through their extreme control methods using certain scriptures out of context to work in their behalf. The ones who remain there are still in that bondage. I have to get back to work now, my lunch break is over. Will come back with more later.
Just one more thing though. Look at all of us that are out here still walking with the Lord, being blessed so much, spiritually, financially, and in so many other ways.
It proves once again what a FALSE PROPHET that WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING truly is.
And look who's the one that turned out to be a pervert, adulterer, fornicator, pedophile, liar reprobate. Tony Alamo ate his own words. |
modesto
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Username: modesto
Post Number: 185
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.68.98
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I don't remember exactly how old Sanford is but I think He is ,at least, approaching his seventies. |
anchored
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Username: anchored
Post Number: 131
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Isn't it great to be free? |
modesto
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Username: modesto
Post Number: 186
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.68.98
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By the way,Sanford,if you are reading this,come out to California and I'll put you and your family up until you can get situated. |
modesto
Intermediate Member
Username: modesto
Post Number: 187
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.68.98
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No charge. |
anchored
Intermediate Member
Username: anchored
Post Number: 132
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Free from all that Tony Alamo oppression, damned if you do, damned if you don't, bondage, captivity, satanic fear, constant condemnation, being blasted and called devils, weasels, no good lazies and many more degrading names too numerous to mention right now. A-lame-o's screamin' and yellin', rantin' and ravin', rotten temper, arrogant walk, arrogant talk, profanity over the pulpit, droning into a loud microphone (what he called singing).
Toodaloo. More later. |
exmember10
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Username: exmember10
Post Number: 21
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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It is wonderful to be free and "Whom the Son has set free, is free indeed!" |
anchored
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Username: anchored
Post Number: 133
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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AMEN TO THAT, Exmember10. Thank you. |
exmember10
New member
Username: exmember10
Post Number: 22
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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It is wonderful to be free and "Whom the Son has set free, is free indeed!" |
exmember10
New member
Username: exmember10
Post Number: 23
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.5.127.4
| | Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 1:50 pm: |
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Sorry, my last comment posted twice by mistake.. |
worm_can_opener
Intermediate Member
Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 118
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.155.119.25
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Ex-member10-
I have been reading a lot of your recent posts. are you by any chance, someone we used to call Q.O.S.??? please let me know !! Claudia |
exmember10
New member
Username: exmember10
Post Number: 25
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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worm_can_opener,
No I'm not this Q.O.S. person. I'm almost sure most of you left before I even joined the foundation. I was in NY most of the time. |
modesto
Intermediate Member
Username: modesto
Post Number: 188
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.68.98
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Tommy S. or Bert K.(or is it "C") same for you too.Come on out here and I'll put you and your families up until you can get connected with family,friends,Church ect..
No charge,now or later. |
exmember10
Junior Member
Username: exmember10
Post Number: 27
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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my doors are open as while. mi casa es su casa. I knew Susan & Tommy S very well thou, I don't think we will see that happening any time soon. |
modesto
Intermediate Member
Username: modesto
Post Number: 192
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.68.98
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It's hard to split!! Having somwhere to go is a "REAL" advantage.Just say you've gone and I'll tell you where to go for my support. |
exmember10
Junior Member
Username: exmember10
Post Number: 29
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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Somewhere to go is a true advantage, I had my family so I had a very big advantage. But It still hurts when you leave others you love behind. |
modesto
Intermediate Member
Username: modesto
Post Number: 194
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.134.68.98
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Just a quick question.I know that all the older brothers and sisters knows what goes on in the organization.What is "REALLY" going on???Can you suport it with the Bible?
If so, please,let's hear it. |
worm_can_opener
Intermediate Member
Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 122
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.155.119.25
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It sure was the pits, when I left. I had been married to one of the "Justin Miller beaters" we didn't leave on our own accord, nor were we "booted out" (the left foot of fellowship LOL)the U.S. Marshals were supposedly on both ends of our street(?) to toe-knee, this was apparently a potentially dangerous situation for himself, because I think he saw through Kerry, and knew he would surely turn on him. wild guess (hah) we were dropped off in Sepulveda, Ca. the motel room toe-knee paid for was so cheap, that the wall-paper was photos of naked chicks !!!! we were given no money. I cleaned houses, he worked for a crooked contractor, who at least dished cash out to the brothers who worked for him, not wanting toe-knee to know about it, but half the time, he wouldn't pay up, at ALL. nobody would bring our 23 boxes of belongings to us (they FINALLY DID, probably afraid the perv would find out if they didn't) Kerry started doing Cocaine. It seemed as if my life was going downhill, 1000 miles an hour !! for 5 more years I was stuck with a completely insane abusive monster, then I escaped in 1997, and I can proudly say " I give God all the glory, for keeping me alive, and in one piece, and pouring out innumerable blessings; joy, peace, freedom to enjoy life, to go places and do things, to persue the things I love, to worship the Lord, and praise him for all he has done for me !!! thankyou Jesus ( one thing about the Lord...he knows how much we can take, and we can use negative experiences to help others in the same boat) |
exmember10
Junior Member
Username: exmember10
Post Number: 34
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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Thank God you were strong enough to handle all that. I think I would have cracked. |
heynow
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Username: heynow
Post Number: 179
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 71.130.213.152
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Modesto, You are sure correct. I had to live outside for a while. I got a job right away but, slept outside until I had enough money for a car. Then I was inside well, inside the car. Did that for a while until I had enough for a roof over my head.
Current members take heed. Modesto is offering an amazing situation. Grab it now. |
anchored
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Username: anchored
Post Number: 149
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Worm, what is Q.O.S.? Queen of sewers maybe? Oops, better clarify that one - (sewers as in sewing not septic tanks). Queen of stitching? Quality overseer sister? Queen of snacking? Quietest of sisters? Oh, I give up. Never mind, maybe you don't want to say. Just curious. |
mixter1
Intermediate Member
Username: mixter1
Post Number: 120
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.240.176.26
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Praise GOD, AMEN. |
worm_can_opener
Intermediate Member
Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 124
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 69.155.119.25
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ex-member,
just want you to know this has NOTHING to do with you (now that we know that you are NOT that sister) her name is Anna, and we called her Queen Of Sheba LOL sure would love to hear from her, also. E.M.-we appreciate new Factnet members SSSSOOOOOOO much (when they are for real, because, as you have seen, MANY KOOKS come on here, also) people like you are refreshing !! just know that the people on here are praying for you, and the Lord HEARS even the faintest cries. Worm Can Opener |
exmember10
Junior Member
Username: exmember10
Post Number: 37
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.222.207.144
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Thank you all again, I feel so much better after finding this site and talking to you all. You people have given me more hope. After reading the things some of the brothers & sisters had to go through after leaving the foundation immediately made me realize my situation is not this huge mountain I thought it was. If you guys can pull through some of these hardships I read about, surely I can climb this mountain. |
wilma
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Username: wilma
Post Number: 84
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 72.186.198.30
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Exmember10,
i left that place in 1996. were you there then? do you know me? i ran the tape department in arkansas.
thanks for all you have shared and it's good that you found the board. that is another one of tony's tactics...making people afraid to associate with other ex-members when they leave. that's because he knows they will tell their experiences and they will bolster one another in the TRUTH! We all needed moral support when we left. I thank God there were friends there for me.
Susie G |
exmember10
Junior Member
Username: exmember10
Post Number: 38
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.222.207.144
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I actually moved in around the time you left. I stayed in NY with Sue & Tom before they moved back to Arkansas. Do you remember a CPA moving in? That was me. I cleaned up a lot of mess with Actions Distributors and Armful of Help books and accounting. It was a big mess. |
mixter1
Intermediate Member
Username: mixter1
Post Number: 128
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.240.176.26
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I remember the books. Tony wanted everything to look legit. There was no balance sheet. No income statement. Well there was but it was in the A-Frame. On the table big brikes of cash.People were supposed to look like they were payed a salary and then tithed it. Then paid for housing. Big joke! 1979. -mix |
exmember10
Junior Member
Username: exmember10
Post Number: 39
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.222.207.144
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It was a big mess, but you knew just want I meant. |
smitty
Member
Username: smitty
Post Number: 65
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 71.102.155.42
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exmember10: Wow can I sympathize with you on the bookeeping! Tony started us on it back around 1979 or so. He had a bunch of us with NO experience try to do the books. He had a C.P.A.come up and give us a one-day crash course on the basicsof bookeeping and that was it! Tell me did Tony still use the old ruse of Northwest Leasing and Southwest Management? Good God! I'm glad you got out of that pit! |
mixter1
Intermediate Member
Username: mixter1
Post Number: 129
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.240.176.26
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I saw it for what it was and saw other things.
The money tells the tale. Tony spins the Yarn over and over again. He was still trying that nonsense, huh? Man about the time I you were there I as working for an Aerospace company. Computer Programmer. Tony was telling me they would start moving into computers. Yeah, right. I couldn't hang. I asked Susan and she gave a plane ticket home no problem. I was there for 7 years 4 months and I was done!!! -mix |
mixter1
Intermediate Member
Username: mixter1
Post Number: 131
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 76.240.176.26
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Smitty,
AHGGG!!! A FLASH-BACK!!!
Soutwest Management(mismanagement), Northwest Leasing(I bet ex did). That was crazy!!! Corporate By Laws. What a Crock!!!Tony Keeps a big chunk for himself. For all I knew he had an offshore account. Caymans islands sort of thing. But no. Such a bonehead. Regular pop-tart. Tones.. Self proclaimed genius/When he showed me the job Richard O. was there. I just recorded tiny sundries. It was doomed from day 1.
AND MAY IT REST IN PEACE. IF TONY WOULD JUST LET IT DIE!!!! -mix |
exmember10
Junior Member
Username: exmember10
Post Number: 40
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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Well, that what they had me doing. It was like trying to do a joggling act. The really sad part was that I just really wanted to use my skills to serve the Lord. I worked so hard in getting a lot of the mess in order, but oh well. |
smitty
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Username: smitty
Post Number: 68
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 71.102.155.42
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I hope the Lord prospers you in using your skills now. |
exmember10
Junior Member
Username: exmember10
Post Number: 42
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.5.127.4
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Praise GOD! yes and I am happy where I work. |
pacanfouke
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Username: pacanfouke
Post Number: 20
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 205.188.117.202
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The guy that was featured on Americas Most Wanted for murdering his girlfriends family. They said on the show it was discovered he'd stayed at Alamo's Saugus compound. Was Jim Wahl the alis he was using? Anybody know his real name if so and was he caught in the raid in Arkansas? |
brother_d
Intermediate Member
Username: brother_d
Post Number: 361
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 208.61.100.75
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The name sounds familiar. If he was at the Alamo compound, it was for a relatively short time. So many drifters passed through that place. Do you have a link to the AMW spot that we could check? |
phahrrrt_detector
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Username: phahrrrt_detector
Post Number: 76
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 85.234.144.215
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Centz we loss dat gloree-yus
lahmo-mihz-uhr-reez-watch sight
kin sum wun pleez re-post
da udder xsposin sightz
dat tehlz da trooth
uhbowt dat preechin pedofile
Toni/Shmoni/Lyen/Lahmo
soz we kin hav da linkz ahl
n wun playz ?
jez soze weed hav
sum wharz els 2 go
2 git da goodz
ohn da toad
kaint hep buht b wishin dat
Lahmo Mihz-uhr-reez Watch.Ogre sight
wood rez-er-rehkt
lahk may-b uhn-dur
uh noo naym
den we culd re-cap-tur iht ahl
4 posturity dat iz
ah shur wish iht wood
Phahrrrt detecter |
heynow
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Username: heynow
Post Number: 309
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 71.130.208.124
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As you can see. My prophecy came to pass. Pharrt, My offer is still open. Email me and I can help you with your spelling. I am here to help, that's what brothers are for. |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 210
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 70.243.164.178
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Pacanfouke,
Jim Wahl was in the Arkansas church for a long time, working in one of toe-knee's production departments (airbrushing) I never would have had one suspicion that he had ever killed anyone. I never saw any kind of bad testimony coming from him. He did get unmasked, at some point and time, and of course had to pay for what he had done. I just hope he really did get saved, and that those murders were forgiven, long before he was arrested. |
wilma
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Username: wilma
Post Number: 578
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 72.186.198.30
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Pacanfouke asked on Sunday, September 23, 2007
"The guy that was featured on Americas Most Wanted for murdering his girlfriends family. They said on the show it was discovered he'd stayed at Alamo's Saugus compound. Was Jim Wahl the alis he was using? Anybody know his real name if so and was he caught in the raid in Arkansas?"
PACA...Yes, Jim Wahl is the name he went by while hiding out in the Alamo Group. Only Tony knew that this young man had a dark past. I remember hearing vaguely that Jim Wahl had a secret but that Tony knew what it was and no one was to bother him, basically. WAhl was very clean cut and kept out of trouble in the group.
Wahl moved into the group in LA sometime in 1988 (or early 89?) while Tony was still out in Los Angeles before TA went on the run. Later, Wahl moved to Arkansas and worked on the Alamo Designs jackets along side all of our children. I remember hearing some of the young girls liked him. Tony Alamo knowingly put these girls in great danger!
Around this time Tony made it a rule that NO ONE could walk anywhere on the Ridge alone. It seemed ridiculous to us that we couldn't walk to our own school or cafeteria or to any job we held on Georgia Ridge by ourself (the alamo group owned all this property and no one else came on it). There was some comment made by Tony to justify the rule, that we didn't know WHO was in our midst or what crimes they may have committed.
It didn't become clear until Jim Wahl was arrested that we had had a cold-blooded killer in our midst.
After the Federal Raid on Feb 13, 1991 where all the properties were confiscated and people scattered, that is when Jim Wahl ended up in Salt Lake City where he was arrested. (I think he may have been being harbored there by Fnd members)
Foundation members were still never told that Wahl was arrested or what crimes he had committed. Only a select few knew and whispered it to a minimal amount of people. Long after Wahl's arrest when tapes were brought from somewhere (Tony's, I think) to the tape dept (where I worked) there was a tape of America's Most Wanted Show featuring this story while they were still looking for Wahl. At that point I finally put 2 + 2 together. I never heard it spoken of as common knowledge in the group. Tony would have had a lot of explaining to do. |
wilma
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Username: wilma
Post Number: 579
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 72.186.198.30
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I'm assuming that Jim Wahl was the alias of Richard Church.
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First aired: 11/7/1990
Wanted: Colleen Ritter of Woodstock, Illionois, began dating Rick Church. When their romance began to cool, Church began stalking her which led to a brutal rampage in which he stabbed her parents to death and then attacked her.
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http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2005/08/index.html
I'm reminded of Richard "Rick" Church, who was 19 when he hightailed it to Salt Lake City after the Aug. 21, 1988 stabbing deaths of his former girlfriend's parents -- Raymond and Ruth Ann Ritter of suburban Woodstock. The former girlfriend, Colleen Ritter, and her brother, Matthew were also wounded in the attack and implicated Church.
Church, now 36 and pictured here in a recent Illinois Department of Corrections photo, assumed the identity of "Danny Lee Carson" and rose to assistant manager at Bennett's Pit Bar-B-Que.
He had several fake ID's to go with his fake name and all was well with him for three years.
But apparently he felt the need to use his FBI poster to shave by, and so when "America's Most Wanted" aired a segment on the crime, a Salt Lake City detective recognized Church at the cash register at Bennett's Pit.
Thus ended his life on the run.
Authorities extradited Church, and he plea bargained in 1992 for a life sentence and is now living out his days at Menard Correctional Center.
************************************
Interesting that Richard Church had identity of Danny Lee Carson. There in a long-time Alamo member named Dan Carson. Hmmmmm?
I don't think R Church ever implicated TonyAlamo for harboring him.
PACA, I don't know that the Alamo Group was EVER mentioned on AMW or Unsolved Mysteries regarding this man. Are you sure? |
pacanfouke
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Username: pacanfouke
Post Number: 21
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 64.12.117.202
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The Unsolved Mysteries was about the Broadrick children kidnapping the best I remember, and AMW did tell the guy stayed at the Alamo Ministries for some time. I saw that show. |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 320
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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Hey yeah I seen that one two pacan,also maria askey was on the show |
brother_d
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Username: brother_d
Post Number: 379
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 72.152.79.202
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 1:34 pm: |
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I'm still waiting for the show where they haul off that WEASEL ALAMO. I'll be sure to tune in. |
jackrussell
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Username: jackrussell
Post Number: 287
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 70.126.185.30
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Speaking of such infamous celebs, Tony Alamo better watch out, Warren Jeffs was just convicted at trial yesterday for 'accomplice to rape.' Tony is guilty of so much more than polygamy.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29716220070925 |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 226
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 70.243.164.178
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What a field day all the news magazines are going to have, once the cat is out of the bag !!! oooie !! it will be a "media frenzie", when they hear of the mega-atrocities committed by none other than the preaching pedophile... TONY ALAMO !! can't wait !! I will be taping ever second of it, to watch multitudes of times. And we thought the picture with that gawdy tie-dyed shirt was a grand prize !, HAH ! JUST WAIT !!! |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 227
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 70.243.164.178
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TOE-KNEE ALAMO,
you better have on about five "DEPENDS DIAPERS" on that glorious day !!!!
The Worm Can Opener |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 369
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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Weather Tony is quilty or not,this is what God has to say about it, Ezekiel 33:11,Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? |
no_stoppin_me
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Username: no_stoppin_me
Post Number: 448
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 72.242.140.218
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There is no "guilty or not" HE IS GUILTY!!! Get that through your head, Floridian and stop defending the World Pervert! |
worm_can_opener
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Username: worm_can_opener
Post Number: 229
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 70.243.164.178
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STOP STICKING UP FOR THE DEVIL, FLORIDIAN !!!!
WE CAN'T ALL BE WRONG !! we saw, we heard, we witnessed the sin and all the perversions
TONY ALAMO IS A REPROBATE !!!! |
anchored
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Username: anchored
Post Number: 545
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Does anyone know the whereabouts of Dave Coates? He is from Idaho originally. He was a good solid bass clarinet player I enjoyed playing next to, and I had a lot of good times and laughs with Dave. He was always a bright spot in my Christian walk. He was always upbeat, really loved the Lord, hard working brother. The last time I saw him was on the ridge in the middle 80s. He was driving semi. I have done Internet searches many times and just can't find him. Would really appreciate it if someone could let me know. Thanks! Mac/G |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 372
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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I am not defending nothing but the commanment of God,God says this commanment,and you and canopen are the ones not keeping the commanment,I am the one saying unto them and who ever.Ezekiel 33:11,Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? You two are not saying this ,you two are not here to save that which is lost,you two are acting like you would rather him go to hell,I ask you now if he is guilty(and I am not saying he is or isn't),would you rather him (tony),go to hell ? |
raining
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Username: raining
Post Number: 546
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 69.237.91.203
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I would rather have Tony Alamo arrested and put back into prison so he can no longer beat and rape little girls!
I'm saying tony alamo is guilty of being a child abuser and a child pedophile |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 375
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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Where is your proof of these so called statements you and d eddy said I said, you bring them,.Shall I rephrase the question for you that there is no other way to answer anchored? You think so much of your self anchored that you feel you can say no one,and everybody,pride is a very much evident evil with,well you know.Some people are getting very tired of you speaking for them all the time,some people on this board are just trying to help you ,by not saying things unto you,yet I am going to go this route, Proverbs 27:5,Open rebuke is better than secret love. |
anchored
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Username: anchored
Post Number: 548
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Les, Jack, Elmer, Dave, Fred, Leslie, whatever your name is:
"Whether Tony is Guilty or not"?????
How can you come here all sanctimonious and cavalier and with all your crazy accusations against all the many people posting here who have BEEN THE VICTIMS AND WITNESSES to Tony Alamo's guilt?
How can you say to Don E. be a man and bring things to the table? Talk about being a man, you hide in the shadows like a wimpy coward. You aren't even man enough to identify yourself. You are such a hypocrite and obvious Tony Alamo lover and defender, it isn't even funny.
All you do is twist scriptures and they mean nothing to anyone here because of the jerk of a lame person you are. You are a poor excuse for a so-called "christian." Everyone here is on to you, so why don't you take a hike? |
wilma
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Username: wilma
Post Number: 591
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 72.185.141.125
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Les Wood aka Floridian aka Floridiot,
The only person we are ALL getting very tired of hearing from is YOU!!! Someone even started taking a vote of people who would like for you to cease and desist from participating on this Forum...Well, I cast my vote for you to please GO AWAY!! Can't you take a hint? NO ONE WANTS YOU ON THIS DISCUSSION LIST, Floridian.
You are an idiot, a tony alamo lover, walking in darkness. No one is fooled by your grandstanding. You are the fool!
SusieG |
anchored
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Username: anchored
Post Number: 550
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Susie, whoever the person is that started taking votes of everyone who would like floridiot to evaporate, please tell them they have my vote.
Maybe someone should start a thread titled "Cast Your Vote" |
wilma
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Username: wilma
Post Number: 592
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 72.185.141.125
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Anchored,
Floridiot aka Floridian aka Les Wood's main goal on this forum is to distract us away from the main thing...which is that Tony Alamo is a criminal, rapist, child abuser, pedophile, thief, LIAR, delusion false prophet, etc.
So my opinion is that we NOT give him another thread. People could cast their vote on this or the "floridian" thread. That's my 2 cents.
LOL...let's say, if there is ANYONE who wants Floridian to continue posting, please, speak now or forever hold your peace.
No matter what we do he probably won't go away until the administrator bans him. |
anchored
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Username: anchored
Post Number: 552
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Yeah, agreed. That's a better idea. Why give the nameless, gutless wonder any more space. |
alanb
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Username: alanb
Post Number: 175
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 71.43.101.22
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You got my vote for banning him...... |
heynow
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Username: heynow
Post Number: 324
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 71.130.208.124
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Dave Coates, now that's a name from the past. Haven't heard from him. It would be quite a reunion to see him again. |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 376
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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Alanb How do you beleive God looks at homosexualty? You know anchored that being Gay and being a homosexual,is two different things,the bible says it is wearing a kind of clothing,James 2:3,And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
which means different than being a homosexual. Leviticus 20:13, If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. |
brother_d
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Username: brother_d
Post Number: 405
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 74.224.133.208
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I'm voting floridian off the island...beat it, you self righteous hypocrite! |
wilma
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Username: wilma
Post Number: 593
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 72.185.141.125
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Floridian,
Matt 7:15 Beware of false prophets (tony alamo), which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. |
anchored
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Username: anchored
Post Number: 554
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Floridian/Floridiot
You sound like an expert on the subject of homosexuality. You are obsessed and preoccupied with it and possessed.
You and your husband, the infamous PEDOPHILE AND BISEXUAL PERVERT TONY ALAMO, that we all know you are deeply in love with, is awaiting your arrival in his VILE BED OF ADULTERY AND WHOREDOMS.
Better hurry, your husband, Tony Alamo, is very impatient and demanding when it comes to his sex partners. |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 377
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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Amen wilma,false profits do wear sheeps clothing,I just Got off the phone with a telemarketer,and he just said a Jesus Christ wash me in your blood prayer,he rededicated.You know something wilma,all the quoteing of God's scriptures apply to me also,who ever is least in the Kingdom of heaven is greater than me or any of us. |
brother_d
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Username: brother_d
Post Number: 407
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 74.224.133.208
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Proverbs 26:4 |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 378
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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I am not a homosexual and I do not practice it or promote it anchored,how about you and alanb,do you alanb ancorhed ? and the pass word is homosexual not gay. and even if you are,alanb and anchored,If you will stop and confess to God that you need jesus Christ,that you open up the door of your hearts and that you invite him in as your personal,savior,that you want to be delivered from that sin,God who is not slack concerning his promises,will not turn you away,you alanb and anchored,it is set before you today. |
anchored
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Username: anchored
Post Number: 555
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Floridian,
Are you faithful to your husband Tony Alamo, or are you also multi-partnered? |
alanb
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Username: alanb
Post Number: 176
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 71.43.101.22
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http://www.soulforce.org |
floridian
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Username: floridian
Post Number: 380
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 74.170.109.133
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I will be puting you on our prayer request,for deliverance and salvation,you can be deliverd If you ask God to forgive and Jesus to Come in Alanb. |
brother_d
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Username: brother_d
Post Number: 408
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 74.224.133.208
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Your Christ I like. Your christians I don't like. They are so unlike your Christ. -- Ghandi
I wonder what made him say that? Could it be....hmmm?....Floridian?!!!! |
alanb
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