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     tbone_1972 Member Username: tbone_1972 Post Number: 58 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.148.152.143 |
http://www.archive.org/details/ptc1978-11-18.flac16 What do you think about this tape? | ||
| hbananna Intermediate Member Username: hbananna Post Number: 112 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 70.15.7.88 |
Alamo is too much of a coward to go out like this guy but the similarities between these self proclaimed “prophets” are very discernible. I don't think Alamo's followers would go out like this (for a prophet) but they are so indoctrinated that they might do it under the guise of "the Lord" and a "holy battle" perhaps. It's sickening. The Lord wants us to embrace life and rejoice in His many blessings. These cult leaders tend to see life as "not important" and they embrace fear and death. This is how you really separate the sheep from the goats, people! | ||
| heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.203.148 |
From what I understand Jim Jones had a few "practice runs" with his followers and the vat wasn't poisened. Another interesting fact is Jim Jones two sons were out of town during the suicide. I was in the foundation in 1978 and remember seeing the massacre on TV. One thing that stood out was they recovered a trunk with everyones passport in it. They did that so no one could leave. There were a few folks that survived because they left with the Congressmen (who was unfortunetely murdered by the cult). I remember thinking if I were to go overseas with the foundation and Tony asked for my passport. At that point I would know it was time to leave. It is amazing Jim Jones had 900 followers. The foundation never had more than about 350 at its peak. | ||
| tbone_1972 Member Username: tbone_1972 Post Number: 59 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.148.152.143 |
tbone_1972 Member Username: tbone_1972 Post Number: 56 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.148.152.143 Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 8:29 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.archive.org/details/ptc1978-11-18.flac16 THE ABOVE LINK SHOULD TAKE YOU TO THE SITE WHERE THE FBI SECURED A TAPE OF JIM JONES PRECEEDING AND DURING THE FINAL MINUTES OF THE MASS SUICIDE OF 900 PEOPLE IN HIS TEMPLE. WARNING: THIS TAPE IS NOT FOR THE YOUNG KIDS TO LISTEN TO AS YOU WILL HEAR IN THE BACKGROUND MANY CHILDREN SCREAMING AND MOANING AS THEY WERE BEING ADMINISTERED THE GREEN TEA. ON THE TAPE YOU WILL HEAR ONE WOMAN TRY UNSUCCESSFULLY TO CONVINCE JIM JONES TO LET THE PEOPLE MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANTED TO TAKE THE LIVES OF INNOCENT CHILDREN, AND MORE DISTURBING IS THE WAY THE CROWDS OF PEOPLE SEEM TO CHEER EVERYTHING THAT JIM JONES WERE TELLING THEM TO DO. THAT ALONG WITH THE ERIE SOUNDING MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND WAS ENOUGH TO SEND CHILLS DOWN MY BACK. YOU CAN HEAR PEOPLE AS THEY CAME UP TO THE MIKE TO GIVE ONE LAST TESTIMONY ABOUT HOW JIM JONES WERE SO GOOD TO THEM, ONLY THEY REFERRED TO HIM AS FATHER OR DAD. NOW I HOPE THAT SOME OF YOU WILL LISTEN FOR YOURSELF AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK. | ||
| tbone_1972 Member Username: tbone_1972 Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.148.152.143 |
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 8:40 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALSO I FORGOT TO MENTION ABOUT THE LAST SERMON JIM JONES WAS GIVING TO THEM TO CONVINCE THEM THAT THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY OUT AFTER THEY HAD ALREADY MURDERED THE CONGRESSMAN WHO WENT THERE TO INVESTIGATE. YOU MAY HAVE FLASH BACKS OF SOME OF TONY'S MESSAGES WHEN YOU HEAR JIM JONES SPEW OUT HIS FINAL LIES | ||
| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 106 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
Just plain sad. | ||
| smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 417 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
There's also the movie on YouTube, search under "Mind Control", titles "How to be a Cult Leader" | ||
| smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 418 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNSe5XYp6E | ||
| tbone_1972 Member Username: tbone_1972 Post Number: 61 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.148.152.143 |
I saw that one smitty, and I tell you it's right on the mark is'nt it? I mean everything they said about keeping you working until you are so tired that you wont be able to think, and keeping you separate from friends and family and making them look like they are evil or something. | ||
| saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 208 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.161.223.117 |
hbananna, So true, God's people love life and are always filled with praise and thanks. Even when our situation looks bleak, we live in the land of promise. Reality for us, is in the promises of God, not the fears of this world. Faith and Joy go hand in hand. Tom | ||
| wilma Intermediate Member Username: wilma Post Number: 391 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.186.211.218 |
Interesting clip from Marjoe Gortner's video, exposing fake preachers: Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdHYV9B4f8I&mode=related&search= | ||
| wilma Intermediate Member Username: wilma Post Number: 392 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.186.211.218 |
Ooops, the above link was the wrong link for Marjoe. So I am trying again. Check it out. This guy was trained since being a little 4 yr old kid to con the church-goers. He decided to make one last run while filming a documentary of how people were conned. Marjoe Gortner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zHqKI4X8bA&mode=related&search= | ||
| carolfryer Intermediate Member Username: carolfryer Post Number: 191 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 70.178.129.191 |
wow that is so scarey. He had christian behavior down at 4 years old and even spoke in toungues. | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 159 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.152.79.83 |
The weird thing is, I knew about this film in 1972 and chose to ignore it, thinking it was just a ploy to weaken my faith. T&S knew the threat of this type of exposure and made sure we didn't see it. Tonee only wishes he had the charisma of Marjoe, since this is exactly the type of road show he'd love to have. | ||
| hbananna Intermediate Member Username: hbananna Post Number: 115 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 70.15.7.88 |
Tony Alamo is not even in the same league as these guys. He is so small time compared to them. World Promoter/Marketing King my a$$! Alamo is a minnow in an Ocean filled with sharks. The one message at the end does describe him well, though. From the book of Matthew in The Message bible: "Be wary of false preachers who smile a lot, dripping with practiced sincerity. Chances are they are out to rip you off some way or other. Don't be impressed with charisma; look for character. | ||
| gettheehence New member Username: gettheehence Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.225.153.185 |
READ THIS: The Truth About Jonestown http://www.mondovista.com/jones.html | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 160 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.218.28.219 |
Like we're supposed to believe that the government killed those in Guyana like they're persecuting poor Toadee, who's only trying to get the truth out. Not buyin' it! | ||
| gettheehence New member Username: gettheehence Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.225.153.185 |
brother_d said: "Like we're supposed to believe that the government killed those in Guyana like they're persecuting poor Toadee, who's only trying to get the truth out. Not buyin' it!" lol! what? do you represent everyone that comes through this forum? That's very odd. I put an article in here about Jonestown because of the title of the thread and you automatically assume I'm applying it to Tony. OK, at Jonestown it was a covert mission/murder. Waco was out in the open. brother_d, maybe if you repented God would open up your blind eyes so you can see spiritual matters. (Message edited by gettheehence on January 17, 2007) | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 161 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.218.28.219 |
Ho Hum. You're so boring... get thee hence. | ||
| gettheehence New member Username: gettheehence Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.225.153.185 |
Ho Hum. You're so Faggy...get thee to Bill Levys | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 162 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.218.28.219 |
Was that supposed to be an insult? I'd rather visit with Bill than you and Toadee any time. Maybe I'll give him a call. | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 163 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.218.28.219 |
Go back to drinking your Kool Aid | ||
| gettheehence New member Username: gettheehence Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.225.153.185 |
oh, now cool aid is evil too now huh? lol! you people are too funny. very superstitious. | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 164 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.218.28.219 |
My bad. I thought you might be bright enough to catch the satire | ||
| gettheehence New member Username: gettheehence Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.225.153.185 |
Now you're going to play it off as a "funny". oh I see. yeah, the Jonestown thing is funny too right? this thread is funny, everything's funny. I'm glad you didn't deny the "faggy" comment. Faggy, Funny brother_d! what a party! | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 165 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.218.28.219 |
I've been called worse by brighter people. Why don't you go away? You've got d!ck on your breath. | ||
| gettheehence New member Username: gettheehence Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.225.153.185 |
oh, you're one of those "everyone's got gay in them" people? yeah, I know about you queers and that freaky doctrine. keep talking and exposing you're true color. who did that guy say your name was again? the adulterer right? I'll go back and look at that. | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 166 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.218.28.219 |
I could sit here and respond to your drivel all night, but you're too stupid to be any fun...the adulter calls himself Tony Alamo. That's what this thread is about. Tony Alamo...Liar...Adulterer...Pedophile...Blasphemer | ||
| gettheehence New member Username: gettheehence Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.225.153.185 |
actually this thread is about Jim Jones, the Jesuit, CIA agent. I guess it angers you because i posted something about Jim Jones on here. You're obviously a very bitter man. Go ahead and vent your bitterness towards Tony. Heap up the condemnation against yourself. Vent your bitterness aginst me too. Someone just coming by posting info in a thread on topic and getting attacked for it. If there is something untrue in the article I posted when didn't you refute it intelligently? | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 167 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.218.28.219 |
OK Beavis, one more time. The thread says Jim Jones because someone was trying to relate him and the Jonestown thing to Tony Alamo... -Polygamist -Adulterer -Pedophile -Liar -and just plain pervert Got it now? | ||
| gettheehence New member Username: gettheehence Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.225.153.185 |
I think you might be a little teed off because that article I posted debunks your whole stupid little thread in here you freaking gullable moron! | ||
| jackrussell Intermediate Member Username: jackrussell Post Number: 109 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.73.22.232 |
Gettheehence, You sure don't talk much like any Christian. A little vulgar there in the words, huh? You know you could have retyped that and then who would have known? Jim Jones, David Koresh, Tony Alamo! Fine upstanding men! Any relation to you? Most on this forum admit to character flaws, exempting them for title of World Pastor, how bout you? Cheers, mr.strong minded! | ||
| iasmann Intermediate Member Username: iasmann Post Number: 322 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 65.6.192.147 |
So your saying that the foundation is another CIA mind control experiment gone wrong. Personally I don't buy all this CIA stuff. In order to do all the stuff the CIA is accused of they'd have to have about 5 million people working for them. No, It's obvious that Tony is just a second rate bully cult leader who likes young girls and has an uncontrollable temper. I know you like to glorify him and make him out to be more than he is but that's it. He's just a lieing, thieving, child molesting bully. | ||
| anchored Intermediate Member Username: anchored Post Number: 146 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.73.194 |
Hey gettheehence, Please do us a favor, take your nonsense and Get thee hence! | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 168 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.218.28.219 |
I just find it absurd that whenever anyone criticizes Alameo doctrine or any of those bizarre conspiracy theories designed to shift blame and attention, there is no serious or reasonable response. The best the Alameo group can do is begin name calling...which is really absurd when you consider that the guy they're serving is a child molester. I may be a lot of things, some good, some not so good, but none of my faults can compare to that bullying pedophile of a "preacher". I'd like to have some reasonable dialog with the Alameo group to hear why they would continue to stay there, without Toadee standing over their shoulder saying "Call him a ••••*t! Call her a whore! Oh, yeah, that's good. You really got him!" I think they stay out of weakness. | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 169 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.218.28.219 |
You guys should try serving Jesus if you want to call yourselves Christian. | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 170 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.218.28.219 |
Maybe Toadee thinks Jesus is a ••••*t too. He preached all of that love and forgiveness stuff. That's faggy right? | ||
| carolfryer Intermediate Member Username: carolfryer Post Number: 193 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 70.178.129.191 |
What a pathetic attempt to shift the focus from Tonys rapes to Bill. That really really stupid. www.armfulofhelp.org Here you go. Relax and get some reading in. | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 171 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.218.28.219 |
It's pathetic that people who began with such promise would stay on and serve such a troll. What kind of jobs do they have? Reading bedtime stories to Tonee's wives? Making sure they have their Teddy bears before they go to sleep? I wonder if it bothers them as the wives cry for their mommies while Tonee abuses them? | ||
| carolfryer Intermediate Member Username: carolfryer Post Number: 199 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 70.178.129.191 |
The older ones are probably very busy taking care of the younger ones and their own kids on top of doing all Tonys office work brother d. He keeps them going around the clock and they dont get much sleep. They wait for him to go to sleep before they can stop and relax. I really feel for them. The new ones have no idea what they are walking into. Talk about sleep depravation. They probably get more of it then the brothers. He watches them closely and are in their faces all the way. | ||
| heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.203.148 |
Bro_d, Yep, I think you might have nailed it. I believe a private conversation with any foundation member might convince them to leave. I think they really know they should leave the sooner the better. Just my opinion. A private conversation with any of us (or all of us) discussing the issues would certainly give a nudge in the right direction away from the foundation. There are many evident objective facts that would truly point the direction out. As you can see the real issues are not discussed by any current foundation member. | ||
| wilma Intermediate Member Username: wilma Post Number: 394 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.186.211.218 |
heynow, that is so true! When we were all there we were so sheltered from knowing all of what Tony was actually doing. We all just had our own little piece of the puzzle because we were discouraged from discussing things we saw that just didn't add up. We suppressed any doubts we had. When we saw Tony in a foul mood and screaming we excused him. People excused him because we thought he just had such a heavy load of responsibility (big burden being the World Pastor, you know..LOL) There was an code of silence. After I left I heard from other former members that saw Tony in screaming cursing rants, drunk, lying, picking up hookers, having S&M sessions, etc. Boy, if I had know that stuff I sure wouldn't have stuck around for 20+ years working for nothing. No wonder he is so threatened and doesn't want them to hear the truth or have any communication with ex-members. I heard from one ex-member that he threatened his followers with expulsion if they read the Tony Alamo Secrets Exposed pamphlet. LOL He can dish it out, but he can't take it! The guy is such an insecure, inept, little sociopath. He is so delusional! He is a legend in his own mind. The only way he can keep his women and little girls there in his house is by threats, fear, and tempting them with jewelry and other trinkets. Even then they despise him and most of them want out of there. Listen up girls....get out of there any way you can. People living in Fouke will help you. Former members will help you! Don't believe Tony's lies. I Thank God for FREEDOM! Susie G | ||
| wilma Intermediate Member Username: wilma Post Number: 395 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.186.211.218 |
Interesting...Geraldo is on Bill O'Reilly show talking about Shawn Hornbeck and the phenomena of why Shawn didn't try to escape from his captor..... ...Talking about trauma that happens to people in these situations...mentioned Patty Hearst, Elizabeth Smart, people in cultic relationships. It is a type of persuasive coercion (mind control). SG | ||
| hbananna Intermediate Member Username: hbananna Post Number: 117 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 70.15.7.88 |
I thought that "the whole theory of mind control was laughed out the door of the psychology world"? Ignorance must be bliss. | ||
| wilma Intermediate Member Username: wilma Post Number: 396 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.186.211.218 |
Well I guess according to gettheehence's viewpoint, Patty Hearst must have made the choice one day to be kidnapped, spend months living in a small closet being blindfolded and terrorized, raped, to listen to hours of rantings from a political psycho, to denounce her parents and all they stood for, and then decided to go rob a bank with her captors/friends. To people like gettheehence that just must make a whole lot of sense. To a rationale person coercive persuasion/mind control is the only thing that explains such behavior. Mike B said in a factnet post months ago regarding participating in the child beatings (at Tony's command), that he wasn't like that before he came to the Alamo Foundation and he's not like that now. He said, "You do the math". Mike Borek is a decent human being who got caught up with a destructive cult leader. When you put together all the dynamics of being in a cult: sleep deprivation, change of diet (lack of protein), lack of information, milieu control, elitist mentality, group will over individual will, strict obedience to the leader (who has convinced you that God is talking to him), manipulation through fear and guilt, separation from all friends and family, dropping out of society, dropping out of college, leaving all your own goals and dreams behind, confession sessions to break your will, and many more dynamics meant to influence you, you do sort of develop a "cult personality". You can call it a "fudgesickle", undue influence, coercive persuasion, or mind control, but it all means basically the same thing. SG | ||
| carolfryer Intermediate Member Username: carolfryer Post Number: 200 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 70.178.129.191 |
And cutting one off from other information is one huge tool of that mind controle. A frog forced to sit in a frying pan and slowly cook. Your information and dependancy is totally on that person, till you finally start to see it their way. More and more the human mind amazes me. We can litterally trick ourselves physically with our mind. Goes along with faith I guess and what you beleive about you and the world around you. It litterally changes your world. Tony shapes their world just like he did ours once. | ||
| jackrussell Intermediate Member Username: jackrussell Post Number: 111 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.73.22.232 |
Everybodys' mind/soul is under control, out of control, or in control by the right or wrong choices made. But the difference in a really free and healthy society, with all the cards on the table, and information is an open book, so education and comparative analysis rates, and freely can be chosen before you, a blessing or a curse. In a cult, whether be a puny one like Alamo mysteries, or the immense National Socialist Party, better known as Nazi Germany, the deck is stacked against you, information is forged, propandized, altered, changed, etc. so that before you is set 'a curse or a curse' choose you. You are literally between a rock and a hard place. If you go along with the perverted system you bring about, enable and continue the curse, and if you go against the system you may be hanged before sundown, also cursed. Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree. Jesus went against that system, obviously the second curse is better, resulting in the blessing of eternal life. Anybody left in the foundation still listening?? | ||
| wilma Intermediate Member Username: wilma Post Number: 397 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.186.211.218 |
According to getheehence "the whole theory of mind control was laughed out the door of the psychology world". But he's wrong. There are big names in the "psychology world" who say there is definitely such a thing as mind control. For example, Dr. Philip G. Zimbardo, who was President of the American Psychological Association, Professor at Yale, New York University, Columbia and Stanford. Zimbardo has authored more than 250 articles, chapters, and books on topics that range from exploratory behavior in rats to persuasion, dissonance, hypnosis, cults, shyness, time perspective, deindividuation, prisons, and madness. Below is an excerpt from “Mind control: Psychological Reality or Mindless Rhetoric?” written by Zimbardo. "Mind control is the process by which individual or collective freedom of choice and action is compromised by agents or agencies that modify or distort perception, motivation, affect, cognition and/or behavioral outcomes. It is neither magical nor mystical, but a process that involves a set of basic social psychological principles. "Conformity, compliance, persuasion, dissonance, reactance, guilt and fear arousal, modeling and identification are some of the staple social influence ingredients well studied in psychological experiments and field studies. In some combinations, they create a powerful crucible of extreme mental and behavioral manipulation when synthesized with several other real-world factors, such as charismatic, authoritarian leaders, dominant ideologies, social isolation, physical debilitation, induced phobias, and extreme threats or promised rewards that are typically deceptively orchestrated, over an extended time period in settings where they are applied intensively. "A body of social science evidence shows that when systematically practiced by state-sanctioned police, military or destructive cults, mind control can induce false confessions, create converts who willingly torture or kill "invented enemies," engage indoctrinated members to work tirelessly, give up their money--and even their lives--for "the cause." http://www.apa.org/monitor/nov02/pc.html | ||
| wilma Intermediate Member Username: wilma Post Number: 398 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.186.211.218 |
Another article in the “Monitor,” a publication of the American Psychological Association, called, “What Messages are Behind Today’s Cults?” by Zimbardo, states, “No one ever joins a "cult." People join interesting groups that promise to fulfill their pressing needs. They become "cults" when they are seen as deceptive, defective, dangerous, or as opposing basic values of their society.” “Whatever any member of a cult has done, you and I could be recruited or seduced into doing--under the right or wrong conditions. The majority of "normal, average, intelligent" individuals can be led to engage in immoral, illegal, irrational, aggressive and self destructive actions that are contrary to their values or personality--when manipulated situational conditions exert their power over individual dispositions.” http://www.csj.org/infoserv_articles/zimbardo_philip_messeges.htm | ||
| saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 211 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.128.202.60 |
Wilma, I don't like the term "mind control" because it conjures up an image of someone with no control over their behavior. That definition is false. What you have quoted from Zimbardo is certainly true, and applies, at least in part, to what Tony Alamo does to maintain control. That does not mean that people do not have free will. That is evident by the vast majority of people who had the good sense to get out of there. What I don't want to do is play into Tony Alamo's hand. He would love to turn around and tell the U people, that we believe they are brainwashed and hypnotized. If he can get them to believe that, then he can convince them that people are ready to charge in with guns and kill people, and take their daughters and rape them. If he can convince them of that, then, the U People will have to double up watches, put more locks on the doors, and don't forget the soundproofing. Paranoia will get deeper into they hearts and souls of these people and the end result is more mental and spiritual bondage. That is Tony Alamo's goal. That is why he is baiting us with the mind control subject. (He is a master at baiting.) The real point is that Tony Alamo is engaged in violent criminal behavior. I for one, and I am sure most on here would not even engage the reprobate or his followers if he had not begun to do unconscionable sex acts with children, (Who Tony Alamo says are adult women simply because they have begun to menstruate); and other men's wives. I should add the deplorable beatings of women and children also. So, for the moment, forget the fact that he is a controlling, manipulative, bully. Let's focus on the real criminal acts of a degenerate sociopath. TONY ALAMO IS: A CHILD RAPIST AN ADULTERER A WOMAN BEATER A CHILD BEATER AND ABUSER A PEDOPHILE BESIDES BEING A CON MAN, LIAR, HATER OF GOD, SEXUAL DEVIANT, AND ALL AROUND REPROBATE. Tom | ||
| smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 420 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.102.189.209 |
I think any evidence supplied will go over the head of gettheehence or any Alamo supporter since the "evidence" they supply is only snippets of mis-information used by Tony to validate his control of them. No one there goes any farther than to parrot whatever factoid T.A. gives them | ||
| smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 421 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.102.189.209 |
I think any evidence supplied will go over the head of gettheehence or any Alamo supporter since the "evidence" they supply is only snippets of mis-information used by Tony to validate his control of them. No one there goes any farther than to parrot whatever factoid T.A. gives them | ||
| brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 172 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.145.82.139 |
Absolutely right, Smitty, as evidenced by gettheehence's previous responses. Mind control or no, there is definitely a lack of independent thought in the members, and no ability for intelligent reasoning. | ||
| saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 212 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.128.202.60 |
"Absolutely right, Smitty, as evidenced by gettheehence's previous responses. Mind control or no, there is definitely a lack of independent thought in the members, and no ability for intelligent reasoning." No argument about that. Tom | ||
| smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 422 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.102.189.209 |
Case in point: Since gettheehence likes to rely "modern psycology" as a source then he has, by extension,to agree with "modern psycology" that moral absolutes are wrong or that the God of the Bible doesn't exist! I don't believe that he or any of us would agree on that for a moment,but yet he throws out his little factoid without thinking it thru. It's only proof in his eyes because Tony said it was so... | ||
| jackrussell Intermediate Member Username: jackrussell Post Number: 112 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.73.22.232 |
'people had the good sense to get out' hits it right on the button. Take the national socialist party(better known as the Nazi party) that I have studied, sounded so right at first,it filled a vacuum of weakness with strength. But the more it evolved the more the red flags started popping up and some people even got out very early and fled Germany, including a substantial number of Jews, before the s... really hit the fan. Late in that regime it became so obvious, when word got around that Jews and undesirables were being gassed and cremated, it took the extremity of that very stench to wake up the last of those able to get out just under the wire. So the 'good sense' which may be duller in some than sharper in others, is nevertheless built in every individuals' conscience. And if the first 'checks' are not received, the conscience will disturb more and more until the danger becomes so obvious that the individual can eventually self destruct if not given heed. Is anyone still in the foundation listening?? | ||
| carolfryer Intermediate Member Username: carolfryer Post Number: 201 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 70.178.129.191 |
Tom, doesnt he already do that? I mean you took me back to when we lost the property and Tony told us the government was comming in to mow us down like Jim Jones or Waco. He said leave and dont even look back to get your stuff. Of course alot of people did go back and get their stuff..lol. Alot of the older ones already knew he was full of it. | ||
| saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 213 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.128.202.60 |
Carol, True, true, and I am sure it has only gotten worse since then. Tom | ||
| saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 214 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.128.202.60 |
BTW- Did anyone watch the history channel documentory about the Jonestown massacre? | ||
| hbananna Intermediate Member Username: hbananna Post Number: 118 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 70.15.7.88 |
Has anyone been listening to Alamo’s tapes recently? I have had some down time and decided to hear what the old geezer was up to. Alamo is really on a Hitler rampage lately. He does this horrible accent that grates on every nerve in your body because it is so bad. From what I am hearing it sounds like he admires the guy – but of course the Vatican was controlling him. He also tries his best to debunk the Jim Jones mass suicide but he is not very convincing. His sources are not credible but that doesn’t stop him. Oh – and of course a few of the survivors came to him and Susie and told them that it was the government that killed everyone (you know how popular he is and how people look for him to tell him the “truth” about all of these conspiracies). It amazes me that a person with so many psychological disorders is not taken away by the men in the white coats by now. Even more amazing is that people actually fall for this stuff. Maybe if the followers were allowed to watch television, read the newspapers and do some independent research (and thinking) they would not be so reliant on what that lunatic has to say about what is happening in the world. I mean, these people can not even receive a letter without it being read by someone else first and they most certainly haven’t responded to any of mine. My letters were answered by someone else (probably the little man himself). The place is run like a prison without the bars. Instead of barbed-wire fences, you have no money and the fear of eternal damnation. Instead of guards with shotguns, you have everybody else scrutinizing your every action ready to report you. Instead of the hole, you have beatings (or smiting I think they call it) and humiliation – oh and you lose your bucks. Instead of visitation, you have NOTHING – not even a phone call from visitors or people on the outside – unless approved the tiny man and you probably have to be a “favorite” of his. I take it back. It isn’t run like a prison. IT IS WORSE! And I thank the Lord for my freedom the more I listen to his tirades. I can tell you that listening to him could never make me want to join his mission. Any intelligent person would have alarm bells going off after one hour of his paranoid conspiracy theory ranting. That is probably why his cult isn’t doing as well as he leads people in “radio land” to believe. He is such a true con artist. I guess it is the one thing that he is good at but can not brag about. Talk about ironic! | ||
| tbone_1972 Member Username: tbone_1972 Post Number: 64 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.148.152.143 |
Tom said: BTW- Did anyone watch the history channel documentory about the Jonestown massacre? There was a documentary entitled "Jonestown Paradise Lost", If that's the one you're talking about, yes I did watch the whole thing. It was interesting how in their portrayal, they highlighted the fact that Jim Jones used the same tactics as Tony by convincing everyone that their family was the enemy and they were to reject any attempts at visitations, etc.etc.. Interestingly enough is the fact that everyone who is ever drawn into a communal type system of worship or whatever the case maybe, is moer often than not likely to be carried far off to unfamiliar territory, and stripped of all valubles and means of support, so that in the meantime they become totally relient upon their captors. The first step is always to get the followers to believe that this way is the only way to survive from outside forces like the government, families friends, etc. A pimp who gains control of his harem, will get them first while they are young and inexperienced, then by taking them into strange surroundings, they are fed the confidence line of being safe and secure as long as you stay in the fold. When confidence and trust is gained, the captor goes immediately to the second phase. In the case of the Pimp, he/she will get everyone hooked on the drugs first. Afterwards each new girl is assigned to the more experienced hooker who will follow them on every assignment until total trust is gained. | ||
| tbone_1972 Member Username: tbone_1972 Post Number: 65 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.148.152.143 |
Tom said: BTW- Did anyone watch the history channel documentory about the Jonestown massacre? There was a documentary entitled "Jonestown Paradise Lost", If that's the one you're talking about, yes I did watch the whole thing. It was interesting how in their portrayal, they highlighted the fact that Jim Jones used the same tactics as Tony by convincing everyone that their family was the enemy and they were to reject any attempts at visitations, etc.etc.. Interestingly enough is the fact that everyone who is ever drawn into a communal type system of worship or whatever the case maybe, is moer often than not likely to be carried far off to unfamiliar territory, and stripped of all valubles and means of support, so that in the meantime they become totally relient upon their captors. The first step is always to get the followers to believe that this way is the only way to survive from outside forces like the government, families friends, etc. A pimp who gains control of his harem, will get them first while they are young and inexperienced, then by taking them into strange surroundings, they are fed the confidence line of being safe and secure as long as you stay in the fold. When confidence and trust is gained, the captor goes immediately to the second phase. In the case of the Pimp, he/she will get everyone hooked on the drugs first. Afterwards each new girl is assigned to the more experienced hooker who will follow them on every assignment until total trust is gained. | ||
| tbone_1972 Member Username: tbone_1972 Post Number: 66 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.148.152.143 |
Stranger stil is the fact that while at the foundation, many of us were looking at Jim Jones and the Moonies, The Children of God Movement,and other known cults, but were never shocked by the similar parrelells in those and other groups. Not to say that we were not sincere about serving the Lord or anything, because I'm already convinced of that being also a witness,but it's amazing how things were business as usual until certain truths began to unfold, and other sercrets about Tony Alamo began to reveal themselves in the foundation. | ||
| anchored Intermediate Member Username: anchored Post Number: 149 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.73.194 |
i guess gettheehence got thee hence. lol | ||
| carolfryer Intermediate Member Username: carolfryer Post Number: 204 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 70.178.129.191 |
T bone, I think each of us has had our own level or point where we just couldnt deny it anymore. That moment of waking up. hbanana, Tony studied those tactics closely to use against innocent people who didnt know the books he was reading. And it was his bible. | ||
| tbone_1972 Member Username: tbone_1972 Post Number: 69 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.148.152.143 |
}True, true. We were busy staying occupied with tons of work, and had no reason suspect that changes were taking place at the top.} | ||
| heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.101.149 |
I didn't see the recent documentary. I remember years ago seeing an interview with the guy that was able to escape with his family just prior to the massacre. He left with the congressman. This guy said Jonestown was "heaven on earth" before Jim Jones arrived there. I think the majority of the folks there were sweet trusting people and it really might have been heaven on earth. Consider 900 people building a city out in the middle of nowhere. It probably was something special until the leader arrived. Just my opinion. | ||
| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 221 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
There is a day of reckoning coming. | ||
| saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 217 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.169.7.18 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have been thinking about the term 'mind control' lately. I believe a more appropriate term would be 'mind surrender', through hope, intimidation, peer pressure, and control of environment. The one good thing about a 'surrendered' mind is that with the conviction of God it can come to it's senses. The farther Tony Alamo wanders down the path of psychopathic delusion, the closer will be the final episode. Anyone who has questions, will have to finally make a permanent choice. Heed the conviction and common sense that keeps tugging at them, or give themselves over to Tony Alamo to do things they know God hates, and choose a seared conscience that can no longer feel conviction. It shouldn't be too long before the final chapter on this book is written. Just some thoughts for today. Tom | ||
| heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.101.149 |
Fullofquestions, If you are truly full of questions, go ahead and ask. We might not be fullofanswers but, we will try to answer your question. | ||
| heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.101.149 |
Fullofquestions, If you are truly full of questions, go ahead and ask. We might not be fullofanswers but, we will try to answer your question. | ||
| heynow Intermediate Member Username: heynow Post Number: 450 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.146.61 |
The Jim Jones People Temple documentary is on right now. One guy said Jim Jones was speaking and took the Bible and "flung" it. When it hit the ground Jones said, "Did anyone see lightning come out of the sky." "There is no heaven up there." "You have to make heaven right here and trust the things you can see." "If you see me as your friend, I'll be your friend." "If you see me as your father, I'll be your father." "If you see me as your saviour, I'll be your saviour." "If you see me as God, then I will by your God." Current Foundation members: Do you believe God "told" a pastor to have multiple wives? Think about that. Let's say you believe polygamy. Do you believe "Only" the pastor can do this or that? Not only polygamy but, other behaviour as well. What do you think? Is this a scriptual? Do you think it is scpriptual to take your children or spouse from you? If you do: get on this board and type the scriptures out that support your belief. Oh, one more thing. The members of Peoples Temple turned in their paychecks and were given 5 dollars a week. | ||
| bintheredunthat Member Username: bintheredunthat Post Number: 73 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.6.192.147 |
Did they actually get the 5 biucks every week or did they get their bucks "fined" for various infractions? |
