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Author Message   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 108 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.223.2.28 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 9:46 am:        There were some good memories of the Foundation, mostly of the early days while Sue was alive and we concentrated on Christian endeavors such as witnessing and fellowship, rather than slave labor. Remember any good memories, odd ball stories? Post them here. Wonder what happened to your old chums? Someone here may know.   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 109 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.223.2.28 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 9:54 am:        I always wonder whether the stories and testimonies some of the members told were true, outright fabrications, or simply embellished. I immediately think of Jim Wiederhold (see how ya are?)and his stories of belonging to the CIA. But was Gary Larison really a Mafia hit man? The only one I'm truly convinced is an outright lie...God never spoke to Tonee at ANY time. Not even a whisper.   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 110 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.223.2.28 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 10:28 am:        Anyone know what became of the Wylies? I heard they re-named their daughter...changed it from Susie (or Soupee as I remember her) to something that didn't remind them of T&S. I hope they're doing well.   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 111 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.223.2.28 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 10:30 am:        Don, you told me a story about your family. Was that all true? Pretty incredible if so.   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 112 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.223.2.28 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 10:48 am:        What about MacGrew-MacGrew? Man so nice they named him twice. There are some convinced that he was the originator of rap.   tbone_1972 Junior Member Username: tbone_1972 Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.148.152.143 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 11:25 am:        WORK,REPORTS,AND PUNISHMENT.I LIKE THE ONE ABOUT SHERRY GOING TO THE PRAYER ROOM AFTER PEELING CHEESE ALL DAY LONG THANK YOU JESUS PRAISE YOU.....JE-ZZZZZZZZZZ,MOLDY CHEESES, STANKY CHEESES, MOLDY CHEESES, THANK YOU CHEEZZZ-Z-Z-Z---z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z--zzzzzzzzzzz.........*   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 113 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.223.2.28 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 12:56 pm:        Does anyone remember Sherri's name? Her name isn't on the list on Marcel's website, and it should be, if even for the cheese incident.   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 114 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.223.2.28 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 1:02 pm:        Did anyone else besides me and Cupka and Schmitz sneak out of peeling by riding in the back of the garbage truck? Right under DP's nose!   carolfryer Intermediate Member Username: carolfryer Post Number: 156 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 70.178.129.191 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 1:40 pm:        I sure dont remember Sherris last name. All I remember is the Moldy cheese and sleeping on the floor all dressed so they could run to the bus. d I always felt like I missed out on the actual sanity there. I decided to come back with Larry and we actually found out then that Susie had passed away. I never got to meet her. From what Larry told me she was one of the reasons I wanted to come. Just from the scripture alone , how good and pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity. What a dream. What a hope. What a nightmare it turned into.   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 115 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.223.2.28 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 1:55 pm:        Susie was definitely the one with the charisma. Tonee was always a cheeseball. As far as missing out...you couldn't write a movie that would do it all justice. The cast of characters...where did this menagerie come from, and how did we all manage to live together for so long? We started out with one common goal and everything else was second, so we put our differences aside. We had college kids living alongside of ex-convicts and street people... didn't matter. We all blended. There were those you liked and those you didn't, but you put it all aside to make it work. But with any machine, when one part breaks down, it puts stress on the other parts, and soon the whole thing burns up. But see, we're still talking!   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 116 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.223.2.28 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 2:05 pm:        How about when Sue got everybody into health foods and all the brothers went to Saugus 4 to do a cleanse fast? There were lines of brothers waiting to lie on the kitchen table so Don Wylie could administer a "high enema". More than once I've seen brothers running out the door with their pants around their ankles because the bathroom was occupied.   tbone_1972 Junior Member Username: tbone_1972 Post Number: 40 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.148.152.143 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 2:58 pm:        I'll bet nobody remembers Jim Davis aka Jimmie D.He used to eat live salamanders, and he once stopped the van on the way to the church in saugus, to suckle the milk from a dead horse lying in the road.Bill Levy must know him real well, because the first time Bill took him to work on the pig farm, Jimmy was more than delighted. He stepped out of the van, and rared back with a deep breath, and replied,......"OOOOOOOOOWEEEEEEeeee,you smell that pig dung?, Boy that sure smells good!"He was a funny Guy, and a good brother to work with, even though he was a little wild.   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 117 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.223.2.28 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 3:06 pm:        I remember JD well. Wild-eyed southern boy doesn't quite do him justice, but close. Good guy.   saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 191 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.135.21.172 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 8:17 pm:        brother_d, and all; If you go to the thread that is titled, OLD POSTS, then go to the thread called REMEMBRANCES, there are alot of old memories I think you will enjoy. Tom   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 119 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.218.28.40 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 10:01 pm:        Lots of good memories there, but some liked to drag the thread off track. Anyway, this thread's live and you can still post to it. Thanks for sharing Tom.   pobox398 Intermediate Member Username: pobox398 Post Number: 101 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 24.33.19.129 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 10:27 pm:        AMEN!   no_stoppin_me Intermediate Member Username: no_stoppin_me Post Number: 274 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.153.148.192 Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 11:01 pm:        Don & Kathy Wylie were one of the first people that I saw when I left the cult. I was scared to death to see them. Every since they left, they were considered the "biggest weasels". They were the kindest, most generous people. I will never forget how good they treated me when I was so "green" to the "world of sin". Yes, they did rename their daughter from Susie (Soupey) to Devon. She is a beautiful, successful woman now. Luckily for her, her parents got her out before she had to grow up in a cult.   smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 401 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 12:02 am:        Brother_D, I skated out from peeling a few times myself. Hid in the trunk of Ernie Romero's car.Went up to the windmill and crashed there. I spent a few says at #3 doing the "cleanse fast" thing How wierd ws all that!! I also heard the scuttlebutt about "Skins" being an ex-hit man. Don't know. Truth CAN be stranger than fiction sometimes. I could tell you a good one about 'ol "J.D." when he was on Tree Crew.   tbone_1972 Junior Member Username: tbone_1972 Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.148.152.143 Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:29 am:        We learned words like "Scarf-it-up",he or she "Skated-out" of peeling", or "Man, that job was a Skate".or That's just a lot of "BO-JIVE!".Did the cleanse fast three days, and they brought pastries and chocolate milk for me to come off on."That was so BO-JIVE!   jackrussell Member Username: jackrussell Post Number: 86 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.73.22.232 Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:58 am:        Seeing hows I am getting older, hearing about the early days is reminisent, I sure can identify, but I do especially like hearing the fresh perspective of the 'kids', now mostly adults about in their 30's. Unlike us old timers, who experienced a former lifestyle, for better or for worse, they never did, and for them to break loose to a world they were not at all acquainted with took guts. It was like truly heading into uncharted territory for them. To all the 'kids' who have broken free, I salute you, you are no longer kids,now are victorious adults, and the Lord bless you all with a wonderful Christmas.   no_stoppin_me Intermediate Member Username: no_stoppin_me Post Number: 275 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.242.140.218 Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 10:07 am:        So true JackRussell, so true. Thank You!! I remember when I got into the car that day when I started my new life of freedom. I was literally shaking. I knew in my heart that I was doing the right thing, but at the same time, I was leaving all I had ever known. I was also leaving my mom and sister too. I didnt know if I would ever see them again or for that matter even talk to them again. As you know, anyone who leaves is a devil. It doesnt matter if you were born and raised in the cult; the minute you walk out of those doors, you are considered a "weasel". Go figure!! I didnt even have a social security number. I was like an alien. People sorta appreciated my innocence though. I was determined to be "normal" whatever that means, lol. You are right, we are victorious adults now. Tony Alamo has no control over us anymore. We are successfull, happy, and most important of all...WE ARE FREE!!!!!!   smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 403 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.102.189.209 Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 11:35 am:        Hello, NSM: Having to get a SSN must have been a tough decision! I mean, after all that was drilled into us at the time it must have felt like taking the "mark".I know I did a fair amount of soul-searching before I got a bank account with am ATM card!Iremember the thing that was the toughest to explain was the 15 yr. gap in my work history to my first employer   tbone_1972 Junior Member Username: tbone_1972 Post Number: 44 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.148.152.143 Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 12:33 pm:        That's what I'm talking about. the big gap in work history.Made it look like we came out of hiding.   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 120 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.155.165.219 Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 7:19 pm:        I didn't have a credit card, a credit history, and didn't know how to write a check. I knew I'd done the right thing by leaving, but was scared about the future. It was a major transisition, and psychologically, it was tough. People wonder why we stayed - why do women stay with abusive men? Same thing. They've been controlled for so long they don't know how to function alone. Fortunately, I had a network of friends from the Foundation who helped me transition, as well as a few "weasel" friends I got to know while I was still in the Foundation. I ended up going back to college at age 34 - oldest freshman in the school - and got two degrees. I know my way around pretty well now.   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 121 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.155.165.219 Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 7:22 pm:        the gap in work history? self-employed!   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 122 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.155.165.219 Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 7:32 pm:        I think y'all can tell from my earlier posts that I'd like to be able to thank Don personally for the loan of his shoes. Don was probably the most unpretentious person I've ever known and he had every reason not to be. All around great guy. I'm glad he and Kathy got out when they did. Kathy could probably post some stories on here that would set some ears ringing!   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 127 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.145.82.84 Posted on Saturday, December 23, 2006 - 8:09 am:        Merry Christmas, everyone. Be safe and happy.   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 135 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.223.2.203 Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 9:24 am:        And a Happy and Healthy New Year!   jr7global New member Username: jr7global Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 71.134.52.205 Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 7:08 pm:        I am deeply hurt to see in writing how Tony Alamo have BackSlide ! All these people can not be wrong!!! I am James Richardson from the Early days of the Foundation,(1969 to 1982) I am still Save and Santified and Filled with The Precious Holy Spirit and Washed in The Precious Blood Of Jesus, BEHOLD, I COME QUICKLY; HOLD FAST WHICH THOU HAST, THAT NO MAN TAKE THY CROWN!!! REV. 3;11 it is up to us who still are Saved and Love The Lord Jesus Christ to Interceed and Pray for these Inocent Children to be free and to pray for those that have not seen the Light as we all have! Let us not be bitter but let us walk in forgiveness so that The True and Living God can be Glorified and Put a End to this CULT AND THE LEADER OF THIS CULT! WE MUST REMEMBER THAT THE HOLY WORD OF GOD IS STILL TRUE, AND THAT JESUS IS STILL COMING AGAIN! PLEASE READ ST. JOHN 8;31-32, WHERE IT SAY , IF YOU CONTINUE IN MY WORD , THEN ARE YE MY DISCIPLES INDEED AND YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE! JUST KNOW THAT THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD WILL JUDGE RIGHTEOUS! LET US ALL THAT LOVE JESUS BIND TOGETHER RIGHT NOW IN PRAYER! LORD JESUS WE PRAY THAT YOU PUT A END TO ALL THIS DENONIC ACTIVITY AND SET THESE PEOPLE FREE, IN THE NAME OF JESUS WE PRAY AMEN (Message edited by jr7global on January 07, 2007)   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 153 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.145.149.152 Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 11:00 pm:        James! Good to hear from you brother. Sorry the topics here are so morbid. What has he done to what we worked so hard to accomplish? The sheep have been scattered...   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.203.148 Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 10:58 pm:        Was in the neighborhood so I thought I would stop by 1412 North Crescent Hieghts Boulevard. Condos there now. Any old timers (realllll old timers) remember the presbyterian church across the street. Well it's still there just like it was then. The only difference is, it isn't a presbyterian church anymore. It's some sort of an eastern religion deal. The sign says "Nichran Shoshu" (I probably mispelled it). Isn't that the religion Sherry Stokel claimed her mother started? It would be very ironic if it was. Anyway I used the ATM at the corner of Sunset and Crescent Heights. Kinda strange being in the same spot I was passing out tracts as a teenager. No ATMs then, Oh yes, There was a condo for sale a few buildings down from 1412. One bedroom one bath for $459,000 a STEALLL!   smitty Intermediate Member Username: smitty Post Number: 416 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 11:54 pm:        A former Intrim Pastor at our church used t be the Youth Pastor at First Hollywod Pres. ( on Carlos Ave.) Back then when their youth group was going away on a week long trip, the group thought surprised him with a LARGE red, white and blue sign across the side of their bus reading "Alan and Carol Stones Christian Foundation" I think he even said they copied the "Repent or Perish" on the back . LOL :-)   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 155 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.152.77.58 Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 11:07 pm:        We should get an old bus painted up red, white and blue that says Repent or Perish and ride it into Fouke for our next reunion. To be really authentic, we can push it into Fouke.   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 156 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.152.77.58 Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 11:11 pm:        Is there a park there? We could have a break with pickups sandwiches and pastries. Tonee's folks would be sure to come over then. We could have them check milk.   saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 210 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.161.223.117 Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 12:00 am:        brother_d Rof lol. Ya know, I bet even the old timers still left with Tony laughed at that one. lol! Especially pushing the bus! How true. lol   bystander New member Username: bystander Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 207.171.208.151 Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 4:56 am:        brother_d...there is a park in Fouke. As a matter of fact...old Tone himself "donated" the money to build the park. It is very near a fast food joint and they have a dumpster. Come on down.   jr7global New member Username: jr7global Post Number: 20 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 71.134.196.13 Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 10:45 am:        brother_d, bystander, all who posted to this topic Thanks for the Laughs, This is truly a time to Laugh ! Ecclesiates 3:4   pobox398 Intermediate Member Username: pobox398 Post Number: 121 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 75.66.232.188 Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 5:56 pm:        For those who were there during the time of the earthquake near Saugus in ’71, you undoubtedly recall we went without power and running water at #2 (and probably other locations too) for an uncertain s-t-r-e-t-c-h of time. This was well before the “sisters’ dorm” was built. It was quite like what I would imagine pioneer days to have been like. When the sun went down, pretty much all activity ceased that couldn’t be conducted by candle light. Oh, and did I mention, candles were pretty scarce… well even then you would most certainly have had to be an overseer to light and use one. Eventually extension cords were jerry-rigged to help provide limited lighting to the ‘barn’ and cottage for the sisters and children at #2 and were we all ever thankful. i{Yes A-men}, we were! (If anyone who is reading this is unfamiliar with living a Spartan life style for the Lord and doesn’t think He knows how to give His people a thankful heart, well think again, cause I and many other posters on this board are here to tell you, He authored the book! Exodus is a prime example.) To the point, to the point, to the point… After the 8 PM services and dinner, foundation transportation was provided every evening, to get everyone back to their assigned ‘home’ location for the night. Which, giving motor pool its propers, trust me, was no small fete. It was a rule: there must be a sister overseer accompanying any sister(s) wherever they went on foundation vehicles. So, of course, rides home were no exception. In those days, only overseers could perform certain functions, such as (for this particular situation) turning on lights. Well it so happened that the first load of sisters sent home that night some how managed to depart without (omg) an overseer! Now this was no small matter. Not only because no overseer was present, but also because during services the lights at #2 were off, and lest we forget, only overseers could turn on lights, remember?! Upon arriving at #2, the sisters’ conversation went something like this: ‘The overseer needs to turn on the lights.’ ‘Hey, we need the lights on.’ ‘Will someone please get the overseer to come turn the lights on?’ ‘Where’s the overseer?’ ‘Oh no! There’s no overseer with us?!’ ‘Oh no… what are we going to do? We can’t turn the lights on! Only an overseer can turn them on…’ ‘I guess we’re just going to have to wait til an overseer gets here. There’s nothing else we can do.’ Well after a few minutes of stumbling around in the dark, I decided this was utterly ridiculous. It certainly wasn’t our fault our ride had been dispatched without an overseer, and continuing to sit in the dark, for me, was quickly losing its attraction as an option. So I turned the light on. Some of the reactions I got were to be expected – the sheeple syndrome was already thriving amongst far too many at that time. ‘You can’t do that! You’re not an overseer!’ ‘Hey, you’re going to get put on report for usurping authority!’ ‘You should have just waited until an overseer got here!’ ‘Boy! Are you ever in trouble...’ (maybe so, but I sure wasn’t still sitting in the dark!) To me only a dunder-head wouldn’t have turned on the lights given the circumstances; my thoughts were, ‘The Lord knew all about it.’ In Bill L.’s words, ‘That’s my story, and I’m stickin’ to it!’   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.223.4.250 Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 8:56 pm:        Carolyn, the lights were one thing, but the plumbing! or lack of was even worse...it's a wonder we all didn't end up with some kind of dysentery. Oh, wait, we had the RGBs!   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.147.233 Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 11:37 pm:        Oh yes I remember the earthquake. Just before the earthquake I was going off watch. So, one off going watchman and one oncoming watchman had to make a "grounds check" together. The oncoming watchman was Bill Arcand. Anybody remember him? Well, Bill couldn't find his glasses when he did the earthquake hit. If he would have found his glasses we would have walked to the sisters dorm (the barn) right underneath those chimney bricks falling on our heads. I think could have been devine intervention. Shortly after we were all ordered to board vehicles to 13136. I rode in the backseat of Saniger's 56 chevy. There were 5 of us in the backseat. RGB's? Yes, I remember it well. Luckily Johnny Modesto told me the RGB cure. After that I never had to suffer long with RGB-s.   jr7global Junior Member Username: jr7global Post Number: 27 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 71.135.237.31 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 3:26 am:        heynow, man you have a good memory! I remember the Earthquake, you could look out the window at 13136 and the Moon look like it was sitting on the ground! and very huge, what a experience!   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.223.4.250 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 8:10 am:        There was a cure for RGB's???   anchored Intermediate Member Username: anchored Post Number: 209 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.73.194 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 8:48 am:        Cure for the RGBs. Did it have anything to do with the finger and the throat? lol   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.223.4.250 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 10:13 am:        Did we ever figure out the cause? It was all dumpster food, but what particular dumpster food triggered the RGB reaction? Seems like there was a particular period when it was prevalent, then went away. We must've lost that pickup stop. LOL!   anchored Intermediate Member Username: anchored Post Number: 210 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.73.194 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 10:22 am:        Yeah, I'm sure it was dumpster related. Reject food that was starting to rot. I wonder if Tony blamed us for the earthquake. God's wrath for not bringing in enough finances so they could dine the finest quisines?? Wouldn't be surprised. He blamed us for everything else.   weaned_child Member Username: weaned_child Post Number: 80 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 85.195.123.24 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 10:55 am:        pita bread   anchored Intermediate Member Username: anchored Post Number: 211 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.73.194 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 11:14 am:        Also, food that isn't fresh any more. If you eat food that is starting to decay, then it goes into the stomach already partially decayed (rotted), hence the name RGBs. The tricky part is that some of the food was past the expiration date but it's enzyme deterioration was not detectable in the mouth, so it still tasted alright, but our digestive systems knew. By the way, some brother and sisters ate the same food but had no reaction. Guess some people's systems have more tolerance.   anchored Intermediate Member Username: anchored Post Number: 212 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.73.194 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 11:21 am:        Often referred to as a "cast iron stomach" lol   saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 264 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.165.249.49 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 11:22 am:        RGB's were brought to you compliments of, the sandwich pick-ups. It must have been enough to scare Tony and Sue. Shortly afterwards, sandwich pick-ups were dropped, and all the cleanse fasts started. What, pray tell, was the cure? JR- I remember how eerily the moon looked that day. I had been sleeping on the floor in the church when the earthquake hit. I was laying directly underneath one of those big wooden beams, in the area that was later turned into the prayer room. I remember thinking "This could fall on me and kill me" Then I felt a great calm as I asked the Lord to cover me with his blood. When the after shocks would hit it was pretty scary. You could sense it a split second before they would hit. As soon as it hit, everyone's hands would go up in the air in prayer and shouting.   anchored Intermediate Member Username: anchored Post Number: 213 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.73.194 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 11:38 am:        JR, I had just gotten up to use the restroom and came back out into the sanctuary when it hit. I had been sleeping under the grand piano over by the prayer room. It woke everybody up and I could hear someone pleading the blood against the earthquake. Later we found out it was Bill B. and we all got a big laugh out of it. Then everyone started raising their hands and praising the Lord, we thought it was the end and the Lord was coming. I remember opening the front door and looking out at the parking lot. I saw the ground rapidly opening up and closing, and the vehicles tipping sideways and swaying back and forth. You could actually hear the telephone poles swishing in the air and like Tom said, you could sense the next after shock. Then the scary rumbling sound. One brother was calling Tony at the Davenport house and he was so scared he was shivering and his voice was too. When Tony answered, the brother said, "Tom, this is Tony, I mean Tony, this is Tom." It wasn't very funny at the time but later we got many laughs out of that.   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.147.233 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 11:41 am:        The cure is to drink water. I mean gallons of water. This will flush the offending substance from your body. It works. I remember once I was at 13136 and someone told me of another cure. Baking soda. I am not sure if it works. I went to the kitchen and asked a "floater" Rick Wolf if I could have some. He said "Sure." When he had it in his hand he hesitated and said, "I am not going to give it to you." I asked why. He replied, "Because if it works then everybody will be bugging me for it." Well, end of story the floater has spoken. Never did find out if it would work. Fortunetely the modesto water method worked fine. Personally I enjoyed the sandwich pickups. Especially those pastrami sandwichs heated in the oven (before the days of microwave). I remember they would heat a tray of various sandwiches and no one would touch the boiled egg sandwiches (RGB material you know). I always found that interesting. No one would eat those egg sandwichs but, no one would talk about it either. I guess everyone knew better (from experience) but, no comments. Maybe they thought it would be a form of murmuring. I think tony called #2 once looking for a brother and Andy Riddle told tony he has the RGB's. tony asked "whats that." That might be the start of the healthy food and such.   weaned_child Member Username: weaned_child Post Number: 81 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 85.195.123.25 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 11:41 am:        RGB's, sulfur stomach, etc. once it was in my system the only thing I knew to do was stop eating and drinking espicially coffee until I was delivered. Distress imposed fasting you might call it. lol   pobox398 Intermediate Member Username: pobox398 Post Number: 122 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 75.66.232.188 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 11:53 am:        Who remembers Dudley the peacock at #2? He used to perch on the roof of the barn or prance around the grounds and fan his tail - beautiful sight! The morning of the earthquake, he was screaming like a banchee all over the place. That was the first time I ever recall hearing him make a sound. Boy, was he ever making up for lost time.   anchored Intermediate Member Username: anchored Post Number: 214 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.73.194 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 12:12 pm:        No, don't remember Dudley. But can certainly see why that would have ruffled his feathers. lol I remember hearing about the quake causing the big chimney to fall into the sister's dorm. If I recall, no one was hurt but just thankful that the Lord got everyone out in time.   raining Intermediate Member Username: raining Post Number: 409 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.106.189.213 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 2:55 pm:        I always thought it was the donuts! I found eating a pomegranate helped!   saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 265 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.165.4.34 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 4:01 pm:        Sue, I gotta admit Winchells' donuts did make it's contribution to RGBs. LOL It really was epidemic though, with the food from the roach coaches.   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.87.24 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 8:48 pm:        I remember Dudley.I also remember some of the big stones from the chimney were hurled all the way out to the baptismal pond and beyond.Powerful!   cmingus Junior Member Username: cmingus Post Number: 41 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 24.64.213.254 Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 8:59 pm:        .... funny thing is, in spite of the gut twisting 'RGB' episodes, I still to this day really dig the occasional reheated gut- truck sandwich or burrito - buy em fresh, squish em flat, leave in fridge for two days - reheat - num num!! - ( sure do miss those fossilized patty melts )   smitty New member Username: smitty Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.102.188.78 Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 11:45 am:        YPosted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 8:59 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .... "funny thing is, in spite of the gut twisting 'RGB' episodes, I still to this day really dig the occasional reheated gut- truck sandwich or burrito - buy em fresh, squish em flat, leave in fridge for two days - reheat - num num!! - ( sure do miss those fossilized patty melts )" Yeah, but do you slather it with a big helping of "Marty's" dressing?   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 74.224.133.143 Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 7:22 pm:        Marty's on pita bread! UM - MMH!   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.65.255 Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 8:00 pm:        I put it on virtually everything, by the bottle full sometimes.Not one case of the rgbs either.Not with Marty's anyway.   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.147.233 Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 8:13 pm:        Who could forget Marty's? I don't think I ever ate french dressing until Marty's came around. Excellent stuff. Does anybody remember "laughing cow" cheese? You really know you made it when you actually BUY laughing cow cheese.   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.65.255 Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 8:25 pm:        Ken O. and I often used to make these killer omelets with Laughing Cow and Rondelle.We'd hook people up on the sly,get in a heap of trouble if we got caught by the "gnat strainers" you know. P.S. I hope I don't offend anyone by that I'm sure we've all changed a great deal since then.   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.147.233 Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 8:34 pm:        RONDELLE! That's it. I was trying to think of the other cheese. Thank's modesto. Yep bought some rondelle also. Good stuff. The foundation always had great cheese.   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 74.224.133.143 Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 8:40 pm:        and the mold just added to the flavor!   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 74.224.133.143 Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 8:41 pm:        Oh, by the way, we're still gnat strainers. You're on report!   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.147.233 Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 8:58 pm:        Don't bother. tony never gets those reports.   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.9.208 Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 9:58 pm:        I remember the time Mike B told shelly. "shelly you see that draw marked strainer? jump in it." lol   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.9.208 Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 10:01 pm:        Or the time Gary Larison told connie S. to get him a flat pan. She asked how would she know if it was flat? he told her to put it on her head and if it stayed it was flat. lol   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 17 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.152.167.12 Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 10:32 pm:        I'll bet Skins got a good laugh from his own joke. He loved to pick on the sisters. I'm laughing as I think about it.   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.152.167.12 Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 10:35 pm:        I remember him as we pulled into Saugus 2 telling Dorothy as she was carrying a bag of laundry over her shoulder up to the barn, "You're the ugliest Santa Claus I've ever seen!"   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.9.208 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 9:47 am:        lol he was soooo funny im laughing right now thanks brother_d for that one b------ laughing so hard right now.. (Message edited by still_saved_in_spite_of on April 27, 2007)   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.9.208 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 9:53 am:        heres one about ken ogle from B----- everyone remembers ken ogle and how into health he was and doing things the natural way. he had this very very mild rash on him and couldnt stand it. so he tried juicing lots of vegtables and different things to spread on his body. one time we came home and ogle was walking with his arms spread out with his shirt off at night and he was out there begging God for mercy. we had asked him what was wrong and found out he had juiced jalapino peppers and spread them on his body. he was really begging God for mercy.   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.9.208 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 9:55 am:        Does anyone remember mmv (mighty men of valor)???   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.9.208 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 9:57 am:        does anyone remember the wasco gas house gang?   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.9.208 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 10:32 am:        brother_d Wrote: Did anyone else besides me and Cupka and Schmitz sneak out of peeling by riding in the back of the garbage truck? Right under DP's nose! No i never did but i remember opening up the back of the garbage truck and seeing mike schmitz,and burce brown hiding in the back of the garbage truck.   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 14 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.9.208 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 10:46 am:        Hey Modesto your wrote::-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. and I often used to make these killer omelets with Laughing Cow and Rondelle.We'd hook people up on the sly,get in a heap of trouble if we got caught by the "gnat strainers" you know. Hey this is B------ Do you remember the anything goes Sandwich?, we called the rupper dupper? aka/rup ps we dont sign our names because of other reasons not ta or his people.'c"   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.9.208 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 11:02 am:        brother_d wrote:: Lots of good memories there, but some liked to drag the thread off track. Anyway, this thread's live and you can still post to it. Thanks for sharing Tom. I think i might of been the one who dragged the thread off track. because i wanted to here more edifying stuff, i cant remember what i said, but i was more or less told to go fly a kite.. oh well. c------   redeemed_9131970 New member Username: redeemed_9131970 Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 75.66.232.188 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 1:20 pm:        Working in the grape vineyards of Bakersfield opened up the scriptures in a way I don't think any of us 'city folks' could have ever otherwise related to. I'll always be thankful to the Lord for that experience. He used that hands-on introduction into husbandry (farming) as a means to speak to my heart the way he spoke to His people in ancient biblical times (people who were shepherds, farmers and fishermen) and when He walked the earth as a man in Israel. It opened my spiritual understanding in ways ministry from the pulpit never did. cp   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.9.208 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 1:27 pm:        U know cp I think I only caught on to what pruning was all about. lol there was alot of that going on with me anyway.   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.97.110 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 5:06 pm:        Still, Is that where the phrase "Rup dup(pronounced roop doop)shoot em in the group" came from? If you got caught manufacturing or in possession of a rupper dupper there'd be trouble?   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 17 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.9.208 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 5:39 pm:        Modesto No that didnt come from that. But I do remember rooper dupper shot em in the group...lol b.....   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 67.34.246.124 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 7:36 pm:        I think the "rup dupe" thing came from Jimmy MacGrew. MacGrew MacGrew, man so nice they named him twice.   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 9:12 pm:        What happened to MacGrew, Did he go back to Philly? On tree crew one winter in northern Arkansas he kept on telling me "stick around Billy and I'll take you to Philly". He never took me to Philly, yet. Years latter Sprinkles told me I should tell him stick around Jimmy and I'll take you to Milwaukee and let you play hockey, so I did. Then a few years later we were in northern California he kept on about how he was going to be Deacon Jimmy, Deacon Jimmy, Deacon Jimmy. That was at the time that T.A. told us that the Lord had told him to appoint overseers for the church. Later T.A. told us that the Lord told him not to appoint any deacons for the church because nobody was good enough. My friend in Arkansas, Charles Graves, told me that he believes that it was at that point that T.A. really backslid. Anyway it was good laughs from Jimmy Mac and more evidence of how T.A. flaked. Perhaps if T.A. had appointed overseers things would have gone differently.   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.97.110 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 9:12 pm:        He used to break dance before anyone I'd ever seen before.I think he may have invented it. Then there was Bax, he used to do the "Hey dude,I'm so sure, narley"thing long before "zapped" or Moon Zappa's "Valley Girls". I think these guys have been robbed!! Plagerized!!   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 20 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 67.34.246.124 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 9:54 pm:        great guys! I miss 'em   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 21 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 67.34.246.124 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 9:56 pm:        TA never backslid. He was always a weasel.   wilma New member Username: wilma Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 65.35.179.43 Posted on Friday, April 27, 2007 - 10:55 pm:        Your'e right about that, brother_d. You know how tony and sue always told us that they met in a Hollywood studio cafe? the truth of the matter is that they met in a bar. (I guess they figured they needed to sanitize their story when trying to impress us young kids.) That bar is where the con game first started. She told him she was an actress and he told her he promoted the Beatles. Then he moved in with her. Two bad germs got together. That is the TRUTH and we all know the rest of the story! SG   jackrussell New member Username: jackrussell Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.73.22.232 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 5:59 am:        Tony Alamo the giggolo. The year was 1965. Tony was just past 30, Sue almost 10 years his senior. Sue was catching on to the feminist 'younger man' thing before it even became trendy (she must have watched Dustin Hoffman in the 'the graduate.') And who names their kid Dustin back in 1940, but now everyone does. And the one 'older woman' knucklehead Tony gigs, has no money either. True love and romance, for a pair that had already strewn offspring and spouses to parts unknown. Consciences seared, and aptly desensitized concerning the sacredness of the family unit, the grifters conceived a plan, and now we know the rest of the story.   jackrussell New member Username: jackrussell Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.73.22.232 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 6:27 am:        See what I mean Mr. FBI, Tony will become the butt of everyones joke, and so deservedly so, for the blight that he has cast upon many. Unholy fear froze even those members in the inner circle to justify the lies and sins of Tony Alamo until the blinders came off and they were set free from the spell. They have come here to testify. There is none better medicine than the truth, FBI, you ought to try it sometime. The moral of the story, fear God, not Tony. Besides, he could not fight his way out of a paper bag. Quit sticking up for him, you picked a real loser.   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.71.65 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 10:00 am:        LOL,Jack, you sure do have a fine way with words!I would like to see you write a book about all or our experiences and a history of the foundation.It might sell. I hope you'll consider it. I once read a Christian psychiatrist who interviewed people who he called "clinically evil".(I don't necessarily believe everything he said in the book but I think he hit upon some really valuable points worth considering).In his effort to develop a list of clinical signs and symptoms of "evil"he listed,near the top,having a mind and manifesting speech that was filled like an area overgrown with wisteria vines, with untruth posing and seeming true,causing extreme confusion to any who tried to penetrate it beyond the surface and serving the patient as a sort of mental immune system to protect them from dangerous foreign objects (truth that doesn't match their view)that might cause infection(them changing their mind).But constant exposure to the actual truth can wear,slowly and imperceptibly, this structure away like water wearing a hole through stone.If this is true,maybe one of the things God does through these posts is to free certain people from their "unholy fear".Of course nothing is done without God's grace but as we know,He likes to use people to accomplish his will sometimes.   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 12 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 1:27 pm:        D and Wilma, You could very well be right that F.A. never backslid because he was never born again in the first place. I never heard him tell about exactly where and when he was when he alledgedly had a born again experience. And I never heard him tell anything about how he got the baptism of the Holy Ghost. These two events in our christian lives are two of the greatest (probably the greatest) evevents in our christian lives that we love to tell about, amen. They say that a born again person can tell you exactly when and where they were when they got saved and the same with the recieving of the baptism of the Holy Ghost. I got saved in a tree field in east Texas in the spring of '82, and I got the baptism in the Saugus prayer room in the summer of '85. Apparently T&S saw the opportunity for profit, and fame and fortune in the Jesus movement and they expoited that opportunity and the young naive peole who were being saved. Many of us have grown up in the Lord and and are no longer naive; just as the foundation kids have grown up to be mature, happy, healthy, sophisticated, savy, mature, adults who are now the leaders in this fight to expose Alamo now. It was always about the brothers and sisters as when I was there in the 80's. Usually T.A. was never there. T&S ripped us off but the Lords work went on regardless. Perhaps they were both mules. Susan had gifts of the spirit for a time but I believe the spirit departed from her towords the end as it departed from Saul. The words of Christ are spirit and life as the bible says regardless of who they come from even a mule. It reminds me of how Jimmy Swaggert was going around picking up prostitutes during the week and then on Sunday he'd be on T.V. preaching a really good message. A few years ago I saw on the evening news this girl being interviewed somewhere near Indio and she said that Jimmy Swaggert picked her up in a BMW and took her to a motel. Then I saw Jimmy on T.V. repenting before his congegation and apparently everything has been well with his ministry eversince.   wilma New member Username: wilma Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 65.35.179.43 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 7:20 pm:        Mac Grew was very unique indeed. We did posters together in DC (along with Syl, Garay, Bob O, Randy H) Then years later after the Ridge "raid"/deliverance we were sent to NJ for six months. Hubby was working on-call repairing semi blow-outs in a wide area of NJ and coincidentally ran into MacGrew twice at truck stops. They talked and Macgrew was working as a lumper (loading and unloading trucks) spending time in Philly and NJ, as I recall. As for tony alamo, I do remember him rattling off some story as to how he was supposedly "saved" and later when he was with Sue, he supposedly received the baptism of the Holy Spirit but anyone can tell a story...that doesn't mean it happened. He's less sincere than Jimmy Swaggart. At least the gullible Swaggart followers get to have their own homes, pay their own bills, take vacatiions, as long as they send in the money. Tony wants people's life's blood and wants to control their emotions, behaviors, minds, and the information they receive. SG   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.131.31 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 8:01 pm:        Does anybody know where Syl is?Is he still there or did he leave?   wilma New member Username: wilma Post Number: 8 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 65.35.179.43 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 8:08 pm:        Syl left in early 1996 after Tony went to prison. Charlena stayed at the Foundation and helped watch the "harem" while TA was in prison. A few years later she married Charlie Brooks. Syl is doing great! SG   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 12 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.131.31 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 8:28 pm:        Thanks SG,I notice that when someone leaves without their spouse the remaining person gets married off to somebody else(I'm sure they are arranged rather than chosen).More pressure to remain there and be frightened to leave I guess. Glad to hear Syl is doing well,I'll remember Charlena and Charlie in my prayers(Syl too, and you too just not in quite the same way)   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.152.80.162 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 9:21 pm:        That happened on multiple occasions, from what I've heard. Dave Scheff married Martin's wife, Tommy S. married Bob Miller's wife, Marc Landgarten married Carey's wife, and Tnee married everybody that was left.   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.131.31 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 9:31 pm:        Martin Howard? So that would be Mary Jane Coffee/Martin/Scheff? Gets pretty complex! Better do as I say or I'll kick you out and give your spouse to somebody of my choosing or maybe even take her myself.What an unhealthy influence that is on everyone.   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 14 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.131.31 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 9:55 pm:        Or was that Dave Martin maybe?I heard one of the Howard brothers passed away.   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.152.80.162 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 10:34 pm:        From what I heard, Greg was killed when he fell off a roof. Tnii's response to this tragedy was unforgiveable.   wilma New member Username: wilma Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 65.35.179.43 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 10:35 pm:        Modesto said, "Better do as I say or I'll kick you out and give your spouse to somebody of my choosing or maybe even take her myself. What an unhealthy influence that is on everyone." For the people who were still there in the late 80's, 90's, and I'm sure now, that was a MAJOR concern. If you got kicked out and your wife and kids stayed behind there was definitely a fear that your wife might be married off to someone else at Tony's command. I've heard several brothers express that. There is no sanctity of marriage in the Alamo cult. Marriages are made and destroyed as suits Tony and his wacko ideas. Believe me Carol Miller and Sue Miller didn't choose to marry Mark Landgarten and Tommy Scarcello...that was Tony's doing. After Mike Borek left, Shelly married Jack Garner, they had a daughter named Jackie who was married off at 12 yrs old to Dale Shono, 29 yrs old, a new BC. After Martin Howard left, Mary Jane married Dave Scheff Greg Seago was married to Gina Howard their daughter...she was kicked out and Greg has all their kids, 5 I think. Anna Baez was married to Don Davis. When she left Don married Lamont Eddy's wife, Sue. Amy Eddy was another child that Alamo raped. Rachel Willis was married to Sammy Demoulin. He got kicked out and she was married off to Ferman Morales. Vern Jordan left his wife to go back to the Fnd, then married Brenda Downs. Ray Allen's wife, Carol, went back to the Fnd and married Brian Broderick's brother. And we all know Tony kicked out R Sprinkle and then raped his wife. And kicked out Kenya Williams and raped his pregnant wife. All the while proclaiming that God was blessing him for his great righteousness. What a complete psycho! SG   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.142.3.110 Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 12:40 am:        Wilma, Interesting update. You mentioned Fermin Morales. How is he doing? Last I heard he had severe arthritis. Concerning Don Davis married to Anna. Is that the women he met in Colorado? Is Don D. still at the outfit?   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.66.92 Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 9:00 am:        Wima, Yes,thanks for that history.I'm really glad to see someone is keeping track of this.These folks were all so significant in my life and I'm sure in many of the rest of the former member's lives also. I think I remember that one of the Miller brother's wives suffered from many allergies and other health issues,I hope she's OK and able to get regular, proper medical examination and treatment.Do you know if the Foundation has improved health care now that so many of it's members are getting older? Unlike we who post to this board of course.   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.66.92 Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 9:36 am:        Oh, also,I don't post to the other thread about the girls because I left before that really surfaced.I did want to comment what an important book some of those testimonies would make,the one by Nikkifarr was really gripping, especially the part about this young kid escaping with just her little backpack and $60.00 it took her two years to save.I know many of the former members probably hate money making things that seem like profiteering on their experiences, but I hope they would reconsider since a book would reach a much wider audience than these threads and they would deserve any money they made.If they felt badly about the money they could invest it in to helping former members,(perhaps these same girls with counseling, job training,health care, a place to stay and transportation if they want to leave) Just a thought.Jack, are you listening?   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.152.76.51 Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 11:56 am:        Or they could send the money to me. I know places that take cash.   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.152.76.51 Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 11:58 am:        Just kidding of course. I'm doing fine by myself.   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 12:16 pm:        Actually I think T.A. was born again at one point and did backslide. The problem for him was he esteemed his salvation so little, almost as nothing, and loved the things of the world so much more (ie. vainly imagined fame, fortune, money, a worldly kingdom, he saw sees himself as a king, etc.) Jesus clearly said in John 18, 36 "My kingdom is not of this world:" T.A. has a worldly kingdom , and his kingdom is not scriptural and is not of the Lord. God gave T.A. salvation and a free will to do what he would with his salvation and he freely choose to disregard God and his salvation and to go ahead and sin instead of loving God and loving the precious gift of salvation that God had given him.   brother_d Junior Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 26 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.152.76.51 Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 12:32 pm:        Whatever his spiritual status, we were mis-used by him and I'm glad to be rid of him.   jackrussell New member Username: jackrussell Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.73.22.232 Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 5:10 pm:        Johnny Modesto, thanks for the kudos, I tend to relate in satire to get the point across, and to provoke thinking, but everyone has their own way of dialog, and its all good when concerning discovery of the truth. If any document is to be preserved about these threads, maybe best to keep it all in each anothers own words as a diary format. If any editing should be done perhaps Ian Mann or someone with more experience would be more efficient and suitable than I. A lot of factnet Alamos' history was erased from before Nov, 2006, not sure but I think maybe someone is saving it to disc. I credit Ian to be prolific with satire, metaphors, etc. Read some of his stuff, you'll see! Also Carolyn Pryor, her litany of liberating linguistics and vivid verbage imagery is second to none, and really of so much import on this forum, as to make an impression of the truth in her own telescopic way, often measuring, and then delivering the one two punch to the sordid likes of Tony Alamo & co. CP you deserve a Phd in effective speaking, if you don't have one already. But every truth seeking and truth sayer who happens upon this board is equally important in piecing together the Tony Alamo puzzle that formerly deceived us, and in their own words, and firsthand experiences, presenting us all with peace and closure about the many things much misunderstood by most all, and ultimately leading to the closure of the now criminal enterprise known as 'Alamo Christian ministries.'   brother_d Junior Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.155.161.60 Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 6:27 pm:        Speaking of diaries...does anyone know what became of Mother Dav's diaries? He kept volumes...Anchored maybe?   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 17 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.106.82 Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 9:20 pm:        Jack, I have read some of Ian's and Carolyn's posts and agree with you-a collaboration maybe?Ian really shot back at that expositor person a few days back,I remember him having a very quick mind.I didn't know Carolyn that well but thought of her as a sort of philosopher and a quick wit (but sometimes you had to listen pretty intently or you'd miss it as it shot over your head). There are tons of people from there who are extremely intelligent and talented,paradoxically I think the Foundation attracts such people.Anyway,I just wanted to suggest the book thing, Wilma has been faithfully keeping track of various histories,this group is loaded with talent.Well,the Lord will move in that direction if that's what He wants.   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 14 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 11:24 pm:        Whatever happened to my old friend Brad Wheeler? He had to have had more nicknames than anyone, ie., "the General", "a General Nuisance", "the Gen", "Wheels of Fire", "Big Wheels keep on Turning", "Up a Pon", "Old Up a Pon", "the Dealer". Did I miss any? And whatever happened to Arthur Monroe? "Artie Money", "a soul shaken', heart breakin', money makin', Artie Money", "I feed the babies", "Old Black Artie". I hope all is well with them.   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.142.3.110 Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2007 - 12:09 am:        I don't know whatever happened to Wheels. However about 5 years ago I spoke to Greg P. that met up with Artie Money. The story goes he met Artie by accident in Las Vegas. Artie and his wife had spent too much time at the slots. Apparently, Artie didn't have enough "money" to get back to Los Angeles. Of course as you know most any former member would be happy to help another member at any time. So Greg gave Artie some money. Artie was working as a security guard in Century City at the time and he gave Greg his handgun as a good faith collateral deposit (Artie's idea). Later, Artie paid him back and got the gun back. Wild one, Do you remember what they called Wheeler's crew? The "Statue of Liberty" Crew. Do you remember why they called it that?   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2007 - 1:57 am:        heynow, I don't know why, but it sounds like Drew Bledsoe's (formerly of the Dallas Cowboys} name, "the human statue", could'nt move around in the pocket very well and certainly could'nt scramble. Many of us on the General's crew were not #1 picks, but we had a lot of heart and soul. I was on the dealer's crew several times and we always had many of the same brothers like Pete Reza "cool breeze", "pistol Pete", Jimmy Mac "came out so nice they named him twice", "Party" Artie, the Romero bothers, Ricky and Junior, Domain "Dominion" (who I'm proud to say I witnessed to and prayed with on Sunset Blvd.), Charles Bradley "Chattanoga Slim", Michael "slow action" Jackson, Richard Dixon, Jimmy "walk a mile in my shoes critisized and abused" Tags, Scott Dearning "Dirty D", Bob Bishop, Jeff Cleaveland, Eddy Mac. Good to hear from you heynow. The joy of the Lord was, is, our strength.   pobox398 New member Username: pobox398 Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 75.66.232.188 Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2007 - 8:53 am:        Not very long ago I believe Ronnie talked with Arthur Monroe; my understanding is that he and his wife have twin daughters and run a day-care center in California which keeps them very busy. The last I heard, Brad Wheeler is married and preaching in a church somewhere in Connecticut. I think he keeps in contact with Jack Cupka, also married, whom he doesn't live very far from. At least, that was the last I heard over the past few years. cp   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2007 - 6:34 pm:        Thank you cp. As cold waters to a thirsty soul so is good news from a far country. I forgot to mention Gary Nash. He was always on Brad's crew. heynow, could the "Statue of Libety" crew be a reference to patriotism. One time Brad told me, "I'm one of the last of the red blooded Amereican males". I feel the same way about that myself. I agree with Abraham Lincoln about Popery causing the civil war and I think other wars too.   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.142.3.110 Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 12:53 am:        Okay Wild One, I am surprised you don't remember why Brad's crew was called "The Statue of Liberty" crew. It was common knowlege Brad would take anybody on his crew (to his credit). Any brother that no one wanted would be gladly received by Brad. Hence the inscription on the statue of liberty: "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" I can't remember who started this comparison but, it would always bring a smile to Brad's face when somebody would mention it. Of course Nash was a fixture there. Yep, Although I worked on many crews. I spent many months on Brad's crew.   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.79.9 Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 9:52 am:        Brad's a good guy.   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 17 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 6:10 pm:        I met Brad and Gary Nash right after I got saved in a tree field near Livingston Texas. Those are precious memories for me. Rick Miller witnessed to me and then I prayed with him. I remember the brothers had a glow and that evening I realized I had a glow too. At that time I did'nt even know what "born again" was, I had never heard about it, but the Lord led me on from that point until now. Thank you Jesus.   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 19 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.249.34 Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 9:55 am:        speaking of being married there. Grousom said:: there was definitely a fear that your wife might be married off to someone else at Tony's command. well i remember one day as i was strolling thru my house trying to avoid any word that was being played. i happened to catch ta saying that if your spouse dies you are to marry the brother ect. ect. well my state of mind at this time was well over the edge and i said : you mean to tell me that if you die i have to marry your brother? he said yes. i said your brother isnt even saved (as if that mattered) he said look it isnt going to happen but if it did you would have to marry my brother.. i was at a point of no return anyway ..   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.249.34 Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 10:01 am:        Wild dream I enjoyed your testimony   razzor9 New member Username: razzor9 Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 69.108.67.253 Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 11:54 am:        whats up with still-saved referring to wilma as grousom?   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 21 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.249.34 Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 1:21 pm:        thats her nick name , ive always called her that.   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 11:06 pm:        still saved in spite of, thank you, I've always enjoyed your posts and I'd like to hear your testimony too. I don't know who you are and that's ok. I would probably remember who you are. I remember almost everybody somewhat or the Holy Ghost brings me the remembrance if I pray about it. My testimony, I was actually thinking about it today. I think the Lord was showing me things and preparing my heart for salvation since I was little. Anyway what really led me to the Lord the year or so before I got saved was music. I was listeneng to all kinds of music, Doc Watson {bluegrass}. Mississipi John Hurt {blues}, and Bob Dylan. I had been a Bob Dylan fan for a long time. I would even get up with my guitar at open mikes at bars and play his songs. And I went to a Bob Dylan concert the year before he got saved after his album "Street Leagal" came out. The he came out with the albums "Saved" and "Slow Train Comin" which I still love to listen to to this day. So I was hearing all those songs about the Lord, like "You Gotta Serve Somebody, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord", and the Lord comeing back to earth again. From John Hurt I heard Glory Glory Halleluja, from Doc Watson I heard "keep on the sunnyside, let us trust in the savior always, and I heard the song "Jesus on the Mainline tell him what you want". Anyway I did'nt kwow about how to get born again but I was starting to pray to God for help in my life and then I heard about planting trees down south so I went and the Lord led me to a good strong witnesser who was really in the spirit that day, Rick Miller, and I prayed with him and was born again. I have never looked back to the old life at all. I don't miss the bars, the few drugs I tried, the sleeping aroud. I did all that, it only brings misery and despair. I've never had a drink or a drug or been with anyone besides my wife. I had a good rooting and grounding at the foundation when it was still a church. I was always serious snd never really minded the hardships because I had the holy ghost and the lord was with me. I speak in tongues almost everyday, like this morning it was stong, I think that's important for everyone because the days are getting very dark but yet the light of the Lord is stronger than ever, amen, if we seek him.   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.226.249.34 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 8:28 am:        Wild Dream said:: I speak in tongues almost everyday, like this morning it was stong, I think that's important for everyone because the days are getting very dark but yet the light of the Lord is stronger than ever, amen, if we seek him. I agree with that . Its very important to me also. It should be very important to every Christian. My reason is The Holy Ghost Changes the heart. I need to pray more.. Thanks for the encourgement wild dream. I have a testimony website with just testimonies of christians and Jewish believers on it. I would like to add yours to it, if you dont mind. There are already some of the people from the foundation on it. not many tho. But I dont know how to email the web site because I wont put it in fact net. or my email address.   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 19 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 6:37 pm:        still saved in spite of, of course I would love for you to put my testimony on that website, and I would appreciate it much if you just call me with that web site. My number is 818-300-4768. Any other old friends and/or acquintances feel free to give me a call to say hello. Like the bible says it is important to pray in tongues because it edifies you when it happens because you know he's really there and you feel his presence. 1st Corinthians 14, 4, says "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;".   brother_d Junior Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.19.69.185 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 9:48 pm:        good to hear stories about the brothers from way back. does anyone still have contact with Wheels, the Miller brothers, or others mentioned in these posts?   brother_d Junior Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.19.69.185 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 10:01 pm:        wild dream, tinee never was saved. he was always a weasel. he never thought of anyone but himself. if he thought of you it was only how he could use you.   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2007 - 2:07 am:        d, Tom A. and Ian both have said they think he was saved and backslid and I believe that too, otherwise how could he get into such a bad condition, you know seven times worse. I agree he used us. His priority was too much on finances. I remember one time on tree crew we had a word of mouth message from T.A. that for now our ministry is to make finances. Jesus never said give me your money, give your money to my ministry, he said give your money to the poor and follow me and great will your reward be in heaven. do I know you d? Bill Wilde   brother_d Junior Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 31 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.219.91.49 Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2007 - 7:14 am:        I was there. I saw and heard with my own eyes and ears. I believed, in spite of everything I saw to the contrary. I ignored the things that were done that were so contrary to the gospels because I wanted to believe in what we were trying to accomplish. WE were saved. Tinee wasn't. He lied to us from the beginning, and Sue stood behind him and said Amen. God never talked to either of those two. That's my take on it, and I was there.   smitty New member Username: smitty Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.102.188.78 Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2007 - 12:39 pm:        Bro_D, I tend to agree with you on that one. After hearing about Susie's early days scamming churches as a "missionary" I have to think they were never saved in the first place. I do belive that Sue considered us her "kids" but her role was that of the toxic, over-controlling "Mommy Dearest" type. She even had Tony under tight control as well. The whole thing between those two would have been a classic study of Co-Dependency.   jackrussell New member Username: jackrussell Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 24.73.22.232 Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2007 - 1:59 pm:        Smitty, very well put!, 'toxic, over-controlling Mommy Dearest type', lol!! Joan Crawford didn't have anything over on Sue, problem was Sue wasn't acting!   brother_d Junior Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 32 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.219.91.49 Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2007 - 2:08 pm:        Smitty - Well put. I've always had a hard time with my thoughts about Sue. She could be very compassionate at times, and then turn and tear you to pieces. All the time she was being portrayed as "God's angel" she and Tinee were scamming companies left and right, buying things on credit and never paying for them, putting us out into the fields and spending our hard earned money on their luxuries while we lived in squalor. Remember "the screamers" calling for their money? There was no Jesus in either of them from what I can tell.   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 21 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 8:48 pm:        It seems to me he liked to get rid of the ones that had too much of the holy spirit. That's my take on it.   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 8:52 pm:        "If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked." Proverbs 29, 12.   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 23 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 9:08 pm:        The foudation kids were expected to call T.A. "Papa Tony" in like manner as Joan Crawford's children were forced to call her "Mommy Dearest". That's my take on that one too. Now many of the grown up former foundation kids refer to him as "Papa Pervert", "Papa Perv., "monster", etc., etc., etc..   no_stoppin_me New member Username: no_stoppin_me Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.242.140.218 Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 1:30 pm:        Just to clarify: As a kid, Susie was known and referred to as "Grandma Susie", probably because since our parents had cut off all contact with their immediate families, we did not have "grandparents". So, Susie became sort of a surrogate grandmother to us. So, Susie was known as "Grandma Susie" and Tony became "Papa Tony". Papa Perv is definitely an appropriate name for TA now.   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.142.3.110 Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 10:06 pm:        I think it was in the 70's I was on a witnessing crew in Westwood. I went to use the bathroom and turned on the hot water in the sink. It was winter and I ran the water down the drain until it was hot (big no-no at the foundation). Another brother saw me doing this and told me running the water down the drain until it was hot is not allowed. I said something like "Hey, we aren't at the church (we were in Westwood)." His reply, "Well, it's still God's substance."   smitty New member Username: smitty Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.102.188.78 Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 11:08 am:        Gnat- strainers..sigh..didn't you just luv 'em?   still_saved_in_spite_of New member Username: still_saved_in_spite_of Post Number: 23 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 4.227.102.99 Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 2:07 pm:        from still saved's other I remember one time in saugus at our exon gas station there was a rule in place about walking around the automobile twice before you pulled away from the pump to make sure the pump was not still in the gas tank. one time i was with mark landgarten in the dump truck when he pulled out without walking around the truck, he got about 50 feet away from the pump and remembered he didnt walk around the truck twice so he stopped the truck , got out and walked around the truck twice. lol and about a week latter he put me on report for getting mad at him for being so stupid , he had taken me to susie and i got rebuked to being contentious.   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 24 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 5:57 pm:        "Now what else do you think a young man like me from Philly would be doing here in Arkansas?" James Macgrew, around 1985. a man so nice they named him twice.   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 21 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.129.133 Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 7:16 pm:        I once was reported for mentioning I'd seen cigarettes in Mexico made from horse manure.He said he remembered what they were called and it put a dirty word in his mind thus "casting a stumbling block and an occasion to fall" in my brother's way.   saved_21570 New member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.133.145.228 Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 8:17 pm:        still_saved_in_spite_of That is funny! Knowing Mark it is absolutely believable. All kidding aside. It is that same knat straining mindset that pulls people into swallowing the camels. The rules become all important and the weightier matters fall by the wayside. Tom   saved_21570 New member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 172.133.145.228 Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 8:40 pm:        In that same vein. Here is a quote: Douglas MacArthur said, " Rules Are Mostly Made To Be Broken and Are Too Often For The Lazy To Hide Behind." Especially the spiritually lazy!   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.129.133 Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 8:46 pm:        Actually,it wasn't Mark,I don't remember his name but the same idea.I used to sort of cut a wide path around guys like Mark to avoid getting into useless trouble.This guy caught me off guard. I think "gnat strainer" was just Foundation slang with a Biblical source meaning, roughly,"nit picky or petty" .Another example of that slang was "ying yanging",roughly meaning "waivering or shifting back and fourth".It's origin was "yin yang" a Chinese Taoist term,but I don't think any of us intended to espouse ancient Asian religious ideas.I think the "gnat strainers" of the Foundation would have come unglued over both the tiny and the weightier matters.I certainly think Mark would.   smitty New member Username: smitty Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 9:55 pm:        I remember that used to be one of the great things about Tree Crew. t seemed that Rob. S and the crew bosses under him managed to keep most of the strainers off the crews. As an example... Go over to Marcel's site of old photos and look at the photos of the Tree Crew and then stop and think of all the reports that a strainer like say ,Dave Scheff could write up.... Only once on tree crew dd I have any trouble and that was because Frank Fazzalaro WAS the crew boss. We were on a crew in Paris, Ark one winter and our whole crew mutinied because of having to endure months of his crazyness. I almost got in trouble as the ring leader, thankfully Rob covered enough for me that I wasn't busted in front of Tony. Good Times...   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 23 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 70.134.129.133 Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:42 pm:        That was sure a fine looking mess of trout they had on that crew!!And the volleyball?! That time and energy could have been better spent trying to make more finances or something! That looked like a cool crew.I think I'll have to write this up.   skeptik New member Username: skeptik Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.55.235.169 Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 12:23 am:        And now, a little more nostalgia.... (Message edited by skeptik on May 10, 2007)   skeptik New member Username: skeptik Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.55.235.169 Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 12:25 am:        EVANGELIST GONE, BUT LEAVES HIS FOLLOWERS BEHIND Miami Herald, The (FL) August 18, 1983 Author: LAURA MISCH Herald Staff Writer Estimated printed pages: 2 Controversial evangelist Tony Alamo has left town but his message remains: Repent or perish. And, like MacArthur, he promises to return. Alamo, head of the Tony and Susan Alamo Christian Foundation headquartered in Alma, Ark., has temporarily returned to his home there, but about a dozen members of his church are still living at the Sea Crest Motel, 121 Ocean Dr. "We're still witnessing, still testifying," said Joe Limas, who is in the Foundation. "It's not our usual thing to come into a city> and then just pull out." Alamo's unlisted telephone number has been disconnected. Limas confirmed that his boss had left town Friday in a van. Alamo may return next month to fight the City Commission over a zoning variance that would allow him to open a church at 151 Collins Ave. The small building he purchased there does not meet all the requirements for a church structure. Alamo, a born-again Christian who was born to Jewish parents, said the City Commission is against him because most of its members and the mayor are Jewish. He has said he will fight them with the Bible. While he was here, Alamo looked at several homes to buy, notably the Maytag estate at 59th Street and Pine Tree Drive. He said last week he had not decided whether to buy the five- bedroom home that fronts on Indian Creek. In the meantime, he lived in a small furnished room at the Sea Crest, which he had purchased for about $600,000. The Foundation, in addition to being a church, is a reported $60-million business empire that spans the country. It owns clothing stores, a hog farm, restaurants and other operations, all staffed for free by Alamo followers. Alamo has been accused of being a cult leader who brainwashes his followers and threatens them if they try to leave the Foundation. Local Jewish leaders expressed alarm when Alamo arrived on Miami Beach in June. His religious tracts rail against the Jewish faith, urging Jews to convert to Christianity. Advertisements placed in the local Jewish Times brought the wrath of several local rabbis. One, Rabbi M. Nuri, responded to an Alamo ad with one of his own, entitled "The Real Truth...and Nothing But the Truth." The Times has refused to run any more Alamo ads. Helen Friedman, director of the Greater Miami Jewish Federation's Task Force on Cults and Missionaries, said the group will keep an eye on Alamo and his activities. Alamo said he decided to open a church on South Beach because it was the "crime capital of America." He said his followers would witness in the streets to the downtrodden, as they have in Los Angeles and Brooklyn, N.Y. He wouldn't say how many new followers have joined him since he began "witnessing" on South Beach. Limas would not say exactly when Alamo will return to South Florida.   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.142.3.110 Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 12:36 am:        A lot of tree crew memories. There were some brothers that planted very slow and of course they didn't plant as many trees as the rest of us. They defended it buy saying their work was slow but, "high quality". Someone said "Oh, Slow is Holy?" It was a catchphrase from then on for slow (lazy?) guys. I worked with Dave Scheff on a crew in Georgia. I think he did pretty good. However, that Fazzalero was a different story all together. What a strange guy. Is there anybody out there that had a positive impression of the Fazz? Jimmy Mgrew was actually quite intelligent. I know he liked to do all that jive talk but, I have seen him in action regarding soul winning and he came across very skilled at it. However, some "Magrewisms" are timeless. Say for instance, "He got the left foot of fellowship" meaning he got fired.   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.152.79.49 Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 1:21 pm:        How about Scheff's stint at the Exxon station? I think he lasted one day. His career ended when he attempted to pump gas in someone's tail pipe.   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.130.217.250 Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 6:26 pm:        Poor Scheff. Will he ever live that down? He just didn't know a thing about cars. Too bad he is still at the outfit. I pray he will be enlightened and leave the place. He is being hoodwinked into staying there. Maybe tony will slip up and Dave will get the message it really isn't the best place the be.   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 1:07 pm:        I believe the seeds of backsliding for T&S go back to the early days of the foundation when they were laying the foundation for the foundation. I believe around the time bakes started and money started coming in from the brothers and sisters hard work that T&S decided that since they were so special to the Lord, so highly called of the Lord (which I believe they were for a time), that they were the two witnesses aferall, that they should be the king and queen, and the brothers and sisters would be as subjects unto them, and they could and should and would control every aspect of their lives, including their livelyhoods, their famillies, their marriages, their children, their time, etc.. This is how the foundation of the foundation began and went on for many years. It's like the saying "nobody backslides over night". T&S did'nt backslide over night. I believe neither one of them had a proper rooting and grounding in the word of God and that niether one of them ever subjected themselves to God. There salvations fell on stoney ground, into thorns, and they were drawn away, overcome, by mammon, the world, early on having no earth, no root, no depth. The Lord being merciful and longsuffering, allowed this to go on for years, until finnally around the time T.A. began his poligamy and I believe the Lord showed ALL of us that T.A. was a liar at that time, that those of us who were in tune to the Lord, listening to the Lord, in sincerety and truth, that we heard the Lord. we hearkened to the Lord, and we were obiedient to the Lord, left. The spiritually dead stayed and the innocent victims, the children, had no choice but to stay. The brothers and sisters were told by T&S that they must slave for T&S for years and years for free or they would go to hell if they left, just as T.A,s concubines, or whatever he calls them now were allegedly, reportedly, told they would go to hell if they did'nt lay with him. When I came to the foundation I was newly born again and I just wanted to do as the bible says to be in subjection, so I did it gladly without complaining, for years like most of us did, eventhough there were many things I did'nt like, ie. no freedom to go somewhere by myself, no opportunity to have a girlfriend, the food, working for free. However I attained victory over the devil and sin, I had a proper rooting and grounding in the word of God, I grew in the Lord, I got the baptism of the holy ghost, so overall how could I reget because all of the good that happened so much outwieghed the bad. I believe we have to do as the song says "keep on the sunny side of life", and I like it that way, that's the Lord's way, the good way. God is good, amen. Earth is short, heaven will be long.   wild_dream New member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.203.152 Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 1:26 pm:        Happy mother's day to all the mothers. Lord bless you all. Amen.   cmingus New member Username: cmingus Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 24.64.213.254 Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 3:53 pm:        .... I believe if Sue Alamo were alive and healthy today, that the foundation would be an awesome ministry, and that Tony would have been sent down the road. They were both con artists from the very beginning, and they used the most powerful drug known to man ( religion ) to dupe a lot of wellmeaning, honest people. In the short 4 years that I lived at the foundation, I don't ever remember seeing Tony as any kind of Christian example - Sue had me convinced for a while though I'll admit .... just my thoughts   brother_d New member Username: brother_d Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 74.224.134.26 Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 4:59 pm:        If Sue were alive and healthy today, I'd still be where I am now, free.