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Tom V. Smith
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 05, 2002 - 1:47 am: | 
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Anyone out there interested or been a member of Tony and Susan Alamo Chrustian Foundation ? I was a member for 14+ years |
charles schumacher
| | Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 3:48 am: |
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tell us more about it. i have seen a few flyers, but they always struck me as suspicious. |
siouxsie celeste
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 1:50 am: |
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Re alamo.I have had an appalling experiance with a person deeply involved with Alamo ministries, i have forwardd this letter i wrote.Please do contact me anyone who can help me.
I'm sorry Ben I told you what I had done with your clothes, and I have sent you a text message about making your arrangments, I can do no more then this, also I cannot except the consignment, you will have to try to get it rediverted to your address before it arrives I am compleatly exhausted by what has happened.
Please keep an open mind. Your only Spiritual Father should be God himself. Jesus said himself that on this earth we must not call anyone else 'Father'.You have made far too much of paster alamo, he totaly manipulates and dominates people. Read the doctrines of the apostle Paul. These are the only reliable source. It is Gods pure and Holy word you should thoroughly adhere to. We should always be ever so cautious of anyone who causes divisions, and disharmony amongst the brethren. No saint of God gets everything 100% right all of the time. I f we did we would all be in heaven right now, we are all still growing, but very soon we will al come to the full stature in Christ, the perfect men.
Also God gave us his creation to enjoy and worship him, there is nothing worldy about that.It is so wrong to judge other christians, becourse the bible says that to the Lord we stand or we fall!!! Distance your self a little from paster alamo and concentrate more on Jesus and thoroughly read and study his perfect word. Jesus is a God of love and forgivness we are not to judge others. You have judged me, and you will never find a woman who loves the Lord more then me. It is so very wrong to call me unspiritual and woldly God is my judge, neither will you find a nother woman that can love you as much as i did or give you so much happyness. Paster alamo came between us and he comes between you and a very perfect true relationship with your real heavenly Father,: God himself. And you know why?! Becourse you have made a god an idol out of paster alamo. You like him reject other christians judging them as unspiritual rather then loving them and letting God be their judge. Not every individual man and woman of God is wrong and unspiritual and without the Holy Spirit, these are the very accusations that course division; we are commanded to owe no man nothing but to love.(2peter)
Appart from manipulation there is some very sound teaching in paster alamos tapes, but you should please keep an open mind. You should listen to other biblcaly sound teaching as well, since what you are doing is very spiritualy unhealthy.
Know your bible very thourally, reject what is un scriptual, except with an open mind that which is Biblical, but done reject the saint whom God has cleansed in the blood of Jesus and is sanctifying in the Holy Spirit.What you are doing is in fact rejecting Jesus christ the only one and only true God, and putting paster alamo in his place.
I am not judging the man personaly all I am saying is that you have made an idol out of him, you need to focus more on Jesus and his word. Paster alamo is not ST Paul.
Everything that is written in Gods word is all the real spiritual food that we need, Jesus said so himself in Johns gosple. I may not be able to quote numerous scriptures off the top of my head like paster alamo, but what I do say is in Gods word; Gods word was written for the simple as well as the academicly learned, and thr Holy Spirit himself testifies.The fact that alamo has not replyed to any of my letters proves that he is wothout love and is harsh and judjmental. God is my judge, not anyother man.
The bible says that To the Lord we shall either stand or fall, and we are able to stand, becourse God is able to keep us from falling.
Neal Anderson wrote;
Security only comes from relating to that which is anchored in
eternity. Jesus said that we have eternal life and that no one
can snatch us out of His hand (John 10:27-29). Paul declared that
nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ (Romans
8:35-39) and that we are sealed in Him by the Holy Spirit
(Ephesians 1:13, 14). How much more secure can you get than that?
and
Secure In Christ" a poem and "A Church Walking In The Spirit" a devotional written and submitted by Jo Ann. Thank you Jo Ann.
http://gospeltrendsetters.org/secureinchrist.htm
Scripture for the day is:
"And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." Acts 2: 42
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"The God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well-pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever" (Hebrews 13:20-21).
May your day be filled with Peace, and with God's Blessings as well!
Vivian
And you should check these out too.
I am praying for you dear Ben that your eyes be opened and that you will be spiritualy enlightened. I love you as a dear brother.
susanne.
ndenga lukombo wrote:
Please keep the literature package, do not send it back; I'll make arrangement to pick it up. Also I would not be happy if you junk some of my good clothes (white shirt, dark blue suit...).
Ben
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gina howard (192.235.24.77)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 12:19 pm: |
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Tom please email me I was born and raised there and I left 5 years ago. email me. Gina Howard |
anna marie baez (68.97.116.30)
| | Posted on Monday, May 24, 2004 - 1:27 pm: |
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hello i was a member of tony alamo s church for 14 years and have sufferd many times at his hand please hear me out let me share with you my story i think i know you gina my name is anna i was married to don davis i left or should i say was kiddnaped i fought 2 years to get my children and won thru legal aid here in oklahoma and god i give the glory |
Anonymous (68.119.47.6)
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 3:47 pm: |
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arent both of the alamo leaders dead. the wife died i know but i think the man is dead too |
wanda (66.112.85.149)
| | Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 2:08 pm: |
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anna davis,
I don't know if you remember me. My name is wanda b. and I am married to richard b., who was a member of the church for a number of years, when it was located at canyon country (saugus) california, miami, and arkansas, until the government bust on it, when everyone kind of dispersed all over the place. I became involved, though not as much, in 1992, when i married richard. (You might remember that we lived with gilbert and gloria for a short time in arlington, texas....that's where I met you. 
I accidentally found this site just a few moments ago, and was shocked I guess, to see the post from you. I hope and pray you are well. I and my family have suffered also at the hands of tony and his "church". We are in no way involved with them anymore. I hope to hear from you. I am sorry for whatever pain/atrocities you have endured. |
donna (205.188.117.11)
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2004 - 12:51 pm: |
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I would like to hear from anyone that was in Tony;s church I left his church and some years later he lured me back and took everything I had accumalated in those years. He absolutly destroyed my life again. I would love to hear from Gina too. and Tom Smith and Wanda Please contact me at familyco1@aol.com |
mr_bob (mr_bob)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 3:49 pm: |
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Bob Harrison / I was there ,for a while , when I was younger. Anybody newed to just talk about the Old Church, let me have a holler.
Thanks Bob Harrison |
hillbilly (hillbilly)
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Posted From: 152.163.242.181
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 10:51 pm: |
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Never a member . . . but have had my car papered with the flyers on numerous occasions. I drive by the house/dorm or whatever you call it via the interstate several times a week.
Who owns the property now? Lot's of cars. Also a lot of property that this organization owned in Alma still is vacant isn't it? |
path_walker (path_walker)
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Posted From: 64.228.46.6
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 7:29 pm: |
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I remember a brochure that flooded Toronto many years ago titled "The Pope's Secret." It was attributed to the Alamo Church. I recall that it contained a picture of Tony Alamo and his wife wearing beaded jackets inscribed "Alamo Church." Although I am not a Catholic, I took offence at some of the allegations it made against the Pope. It was distributed prior to a papal visit. |
skeptik (skeptik)
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Posted From: 199.245.163.1
| | Posted on Friday, February 04, 2005 - 9:44 pm: |
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Although I was never a member of the Foundation, despite all the pressure from those who were, I did know a number of those who were; I'd even attended church services in Dyer and visited the compound at Alma. My best guess is that my dealings with them lasted maybe 1 1/2 years and I really became cynical by what I'd seen and dealt with by some of them.And I've got to say that yes, they can in fact be very manipulative and controlling.
I'd really like to hear from some of you on this board when it comes to this, start a dialogue. I really think you'll find that we'll have quite a bit to talk about!
I can be reached at wjaynes@hotmail.com |
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Posted From: 172.158.3.90
| | Posted on Saturday, February 05, 2005 - 2:47 am: |
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Apparently the ministry is alive and well... I have seen numorous brochures and packages of their litterature come through the P.O. where I used to work. |
wallflower777 (wallflower777)
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Posted From: 68.18.5.246
| | Posted on Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 2:09 am: |
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This is Lori Jones or as some knew me as Larison. I left 9 years ago. I am 29yrs old now with 3 little boys. I am living in Florida and doing really well. It would be nice to hear from anyone. Please email me at wallflower777@bellsouth.net
(Message edited by wallflower777 on February 07, 2005) |
bdy (bdy)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 1:56 pm: |
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Hello,
I have seen the Fouke, Arkansas "Big Stop" Grocery store and it's new addition and landscaping, which is one location of the Alamo Ministries. I am extremely curious as to the internal goings-on within this ministry and wonder if why so much bad is happening, why no charges have been brought against this organization. Please email me with your thoughts and what experiences anyone would like to share. I am only researching this topic for personal education, nothing more. I am not contemplating joining or attending, I just have a fascination with cult activity and their leaders. My email address is bdyranch@yahoo.com
Thank you for your assistance.
Bobby |
psalm5613 (psalm5613)
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Posted From: 69.39.68.108
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“The decline that occurred after Philadelphia during the Laodicean period was a direct result of my waves of attack in the climate of society in general, in the political arena, in the educational systems, but primarily in the homes and in the churches. My focus was to disarm parents and preachers.”
Lucifer smiled, his voice softening as he recalled those days long gone by.
“I remember when we launched our first major campaign of Laocidea, around the turn of the twentieth century. Dibbah, my general of propaganda, laid out a masterful plan, with my help of course, to tear down the nations and to destroy the hearts of people through a systematic destruction in the home and in the churches, with a primary focus on the preachers. Quietly and methodically, we slipped into the inner circles of his churches, into the great denominations, and got close to the greatest preachers and theologians.
“We crept in unaware, for the shepherds of the flocks were asleep in their pulpits. We brought with us damnable heresies and applied them quietly and gently. Many Christian preachers, faced with dwindling numbers and a changing social climate, embraced our plan and radically transformed their churches into dens of heresy and iniquity. From the pulpit, my doctrines of demons trickled down to those in the pews. The mindless, undiscerning Christians embraced this neo-truth with vigor. Those believers that held close to the literal interpretation of his Bible and operated in the role of the noble-minded Berean, rejected it, causing more strife and division in an already beleaguered church.
“Consider this simple example: Early in the twenty-first century, the Presbyterian USA church brought to a vote whether there were other paths to salvation beyond the Christ. Wonderful! In another example, a Methodist church allowed my most honorable Reverend Sun Myung Moon to speak in its pulpit. The Methodist preacher praised Reverend Moon as being used greatly by God. Here, let me give you a quote from that minister: ‘What impresses me so much about Rev. Moon is that he’s truly on the battlefield for our Lord. He’s truly a gift from God to bring people together.’* I find this particularly appealing, considering that Moon considers himself to be the chosen one to finish the work of the Messiah.”
My thoughts wafted through several portions of Scripture that pointed to those very activities: to the lukewarm attitude of the church; the rise of heresy and apostasy within the church; the doctrines of demons that would permeate the earth; and the rise of those having the spirit of antichrist, laying claim to being the Messiah.
“We had such wonderful success that the encroachment of my kingdom across the boundaries of his forced him to intervene again, with the Rapture. He rescued his walking wounded from the field of disobedience, rebellion and apostasy.”
“A victory for the Lord,” I stated.
“You undoubtedly believe that. However, he was not the victor, I was,” Lucifer replied. “I had him on the ropes. He had to snatch his people away before I swallowed them whole.”
I didn’t respond. The delusion of the dark one runs deep.
“So many are in hell right now because they were not challenged by their preachers…or, should I say, my preachers. Those weak-kneed, liberal preachers succumbed to the will of the people, and turned out sermon after sermon of a social gospel. They turned their backs on the cardinal tenants of the Christian faith. They defiled their office by turning their backs on the primary duties. Instead of preachers and shepherds, they became hirelings, paid by me. I loved them all.”
He whipped his head around to look at me directly.
“Few men in those last days of Laodicea stood as those during Philadelphia. Few dared to proclaim Yahweh’s word as Edwards did in 1741.”
“Jonathan Edwards?” I asked.
From "Interview with Lucifer" by Rollin Miller
www.interviewwithlucifer.com
rollin@interviewwithlucifer.com
1 Corinthians 1:23 |
jane04 (jane04)
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Posted From: 152.163.100.9
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There seems to be a very strong element in modern fundamental Christianity which exalts and is gleeful about the "end times" and all the supposed failed Christians. I guess it's not enough to despise non-Christians, you have to pick apart your own as well. This posting by Psalm5613 is a great illustration. Is this what modern Christianity is? A bunch of people saying Na,na, na, na, we are the good ones and you are the bad ones. God loves us and hates you. That whole left behind deal is another great example. This is not the Christianity I was raised with. In fact it seems to be full of hate and wishing ill on people. Why is this attractive to people. This seems to be a religion of people who can only prove themselves right by having other people suffer. I am just musing here it's a curious thing to me. |
ralphie (ralphie)
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Posted From: 70.249.225.150
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May I suggest that instead of reading some man's imaginary writings, that a person should read the Word of God, that is, if you believe in God. And while you're at it, make sure it is the preserved, holy, real Word of God. As also it seems that Tony Alamo should do. } |
arron (arron)
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Posted From: 68.119.43.88
| | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 8:30 am: |
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i have never undersdtood what the aloma church stands fo in doctrine |
mr_bob (mr_bob)
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Posted From: 216.69.30.134
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 5:50 pm: |
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Their must have been a lot of arguments over different issues in the church, between different people. Bob Harrison
That looks wrong as to what happened to the young man put out of the chuch, who was sent to Los Angeles with no finances to live on. |
infoguy (infoguy)
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Posted From: 70.113.31.140
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 1:52 pm: |
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These Alamo guys have a whole chapter dedicated to them in a book on cults i read recently. pretty bad stuff, but it was an old book & maybe they've changed? |
revival1449 (revival1449)
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Posted From: 38.114.26.110
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 11:28 pm: |
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I was there for a long time, perhaps too long, but although it turned out worse than bad and Tony really turned into a monster, I still remember the early years. What a difference from what it turned out to be!
Anyone who was there at Crescent Heights can still remember when the Spirit of God would fill up those services. Things were simple then, although very Spartan, but they were definately exciting. God was really there back in those days.
So what happened? And when did it start turning?
Certainly there was a dramatic turn after Susie died, and even when she was too sick to really be a part of everything. But who knows? Everyone probably has a different take on it. All I know is that the 1st 10 years from 1969 to 1979 were great!
A lot of the older ones hung on as long as we could, always hoping that somehow things would return to the days of old, but (sigh) they just got worse.
Still, I try to look back at those dark years as something that made me tough and strengthened me. We went through it; we didn't like it, but we steeled ourselves to the original vision. And when it was time to go, those who still had that desire to serve the Lord got out one by one.
Yeah, a lot of bad things happened to a lot of young and tender souls -- and there will be judgment for that -- but I would prefer to take it all as an experience that taught me and strengthened me to turn the page and go on.
We make choices in Life - some good, some bad. I choose to stick to what I know is the Truth and continue on for the Lord. I hope that, no matter how bad it was for you, that you make that same decision and allow the Lord to heal you and use it to His greater glory. |
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Posted From: 80.119.136.113
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 3:26 am: |
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I just find that list by hazard.
I became saved in Saugus, September 24, 1972, at the Alamo Christian Foundation.
For me, God brought me from Paris (France) to that place to be saved. It was the best day of my life.
I stayed at the foundation from September 72 to April 1987, 15 years.
I thanks God because I learned how to serve God, to lives for God, to love God, and to fear God if I am tempted by evil.
We did a lot of witnessing every days, every where during all this years.
We were in the streets, in the hospitals, resting homes, prisons, etc… in most big cities of the US.
Tony was always ready to witness also , I went with him on a trip in Israel and in France.
Tony was a man also, and he has to strive against evil and his old flesh like everyone.
Also as a leader of a few hundred young people ready to obey him, it was probably hard form him to do not have what he was looking for after the death of Susan, a wife.
He did found one but...you know the story if you were there.
That was his weak part like often many other man of God (yes I said he was a man that God used for the salvation of hundreds or maybe a few thousand of persons)
I left the church on April 1987. I knew within my heart that it was the time for me to go back to France. On that Monday morning of April 27, 1987, I was supposed to go with Tony for his business but I went to his home (in Saugus) and I told him that I was leaving, I shaked his hand, he had to leave right away…and I went back to France, staying a few days in Norman “Kaffen” home in LA , waiting to get a plane to Paris (Does someone had news about Norman ?)
Since I heard different things about the foundation…
As for me until today I keep trying my best to serve God with His help.
Today, as back then, I can see in churches that they often used the first words of the great commission Matthew 28 : 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
To turn in in fact by: “Go ye and tell people about Jesus, to come to church, to be baptized and to be faithful to our church, and Jesus will be with you always”.
I don’t see many churches teaching people the second part of that commission : to make disciples and to teach them to observe all things whatsoever Jesus have commanded us.
In conclusion, I am thankful to God that I was saved, born again and raised as a disciple at the Tony and Susan Alamo Christian foundation.
All was not perfect, because perfection is impossible, but it was good spiritually speaking.
One thing I don’t agree with is the doctrine about divorce and remarriage when someone was leaving the church, and I think that this heresy brought a lot of problems, even it was that doctrine that influence Tony and today I heard he went even further on that….
I pray for him that he stays in the Lord and His Word and that he realized that “What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” (Matthew 19 : 6) and also Matthew 5 : 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
The only caused accepted by God for divorce and remarriage is adultery without true repentance and also deep reject of the faith in Jesus and leaving the Christian husband (or wife), and not just leaving a church to go to an other church…
Maybe some of you remember me. I will like to hear from you.
God bless you
Marcel
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ralphie (ralphie)
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Posted From: 70.249.224.23
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Does any one that was in this organization from the beginning know what year it started? Thanks. |
double_j (double_j)
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It's absolutely amazing to me, how some of you people can not see the deception and damage this man (Tony Alamo) has done to so may lives, both financially and emotionally. Ruining and dividing so many families..... I am not a Tony Alamo hater.... but defiantly not a "follower" or supporter. I believe he (Tony) was a good man at one time and had great intentions, and help thousands of people over the years in the 70's and early 80's. Sorry to say, but his GIANT ego has destroyed just about everything he and his late wife (Susan) had worked so hard to build....
Here's reality. NO ONE but his followers care about those jean jackets he made years ago. Granted they were in style and were at very fancy stores around the world. However...his greed basically forced the majority of those companies to pull his clothing line. They are not in style anymore, and Alamo Designs are a thing of the past.
I lived in his church in Arkansas for many years, and can remember many good and fun times growing up as a kid. However....will never forget the horrible times either. People getting beat for liking a girl? Getting hit over 70 times by a 200lb man (not he childs father) with a board because Tony said "the Lord told him" this kid was going to run away? THAT IS INSANE....Too bad for that kid that he couldn’t run away...maybe he would not of been abused that night if he would have slipped away....Deception is a powerful tool.
I was "kicked" out of that church in the late 80's, and it was the best thing that could have happened for and to me. I was accused of throwing a grapefruit out of a bus window and breaking a passing cars windshield. When asked by "Pastor" Tony Alamo...(A man that was suppose to be talking to GOD everyday)why I had done it, I told him I did not do it. He replied the Lord was telling him I did and I was lying"... Well here’s a NEWS FLASH - I didn't do it!!! It wasn’t the Lord that was telling him that. He was either lying or deceiving. Which one is OK to do at his church he operates?
As I stated before I believe he was a good man at one time. I know he (Tony) and his wife (Susan) helped to save my dads life and my moms, but after the denim jacket fade...he took a turn south. It took quite a few years after we were gone for my dad and mom to realize....that maybe there was some shady stuff going on.
How is it that so many people are persecuting him and he is never wrong? Common sense tells you something is not right. Think about this if you will for a minute…. You can only go for so long pointing the finger at everyone else…. Eventually that finger has to point at you!
I wish he had not let greed and his ego destroy everything. Sure there are some people out there (like the Millers) that will do nothing but lie to achieve what they want. However I have nothing to gain out of this.
It sickens me when I hear people say how great of a man he is. He is not a great man. He is an old angry man. But if I lost just about everything I owned. I'd probably be a old angry man as well.
I am 29 years old now, I work in radio, and have a top rated radio show. I am not a reporter but a DJ....But Oh how I would love to have him on my show. Tony Alamo can talk about how Catholics (or whoever) is horrible all he wants, and rant and rave about the Pope or the President all he wants, but I have some questions, I would love to ask.
Again I do not hate Tony Alamo, nor do I feel sorry for him. However I do feel sorry for the people (some of whom I grew up with) who cannot see what he truly is..... A GREAT CON ARTIST. That I will give him!
Message for Tony Alamo:
YOU ARE A FAKE...and you know it!!!!!!!
(Message edited by Double_j on October 04, 2005) |
tlthe5th (tlthe5th)
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Posted From: 64.12.117.12
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http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2004/08/25/build/state/70-arkansas-group.inc |
bill_l (bill_l)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 1:23 pm: |
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Nfly which one of tony's many children wives are you? lol, I will pray for you. anyone that has to attack people like lori Jones, anna Davis, or Gina Howard needs to get a life. If you knew God he says to pray for those people. But alas you only know an Alamo version of God...you need to repent or perish. God does not dwell in houses made by man and in fact if he were hungry he would'nt even tell you. Tony needs to listen to what susie told him on her death bed before it is too late he is in his 70's now and his time is comming in a hurry and will stand before the real Judge. ie: not you little girl. and he knows what susie said to him in that hospital room in tulsa. but he has eyes that can't see and ears that can't hear. when have you seen him recieve reproof? the bible says reproof of the word is the way of life. And as far as him being caring the only thing he has ever cared about is diamond rings, money, stretch limo's and 17,000 square foot houses . Jesus had no where to lay his head. how many rings did Jesus wear. did Jesus have body gaurds don't you see the difference? I guess if you have been there for any length of time your ears are closed too. Have a nice day. |
double_j (double_j)
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Posted From: 207.200.116.203
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You "TONY ALAMO FOLLOWERS areso freeking pathetic...even after this guy marries multiple women ...you still think hes being persecuted by everyone else ....."OK"..WHAT IDIDOTS...Either you are too stupid to see what Tony Alamo is, or your too stupid to admit what he is...Either way people who still follow this idiot are themselves idiots. HE's a freeking great CON artist!!!!
It's funny to me, when people get on here and start preaching to someone one second, and the next minute start bagging on someone else and attcking them....telling them they will burnin hell?....lol...lol...lol.... Probably should'nt throw stones a a glass house....Or are you too stupid to realize that too?
Everytime I see someone on here defending that con artist..aka....Tony Alamo....I'll make it a point to show you any everyone else how hypocritical and stupid you are.
The guy (Tony Alamo) said he was some big record rep back in the 50's and 60's....WHO CARES!!!!! Record reps are only somebody when they have a hot artist.....when they don't ....Guess what they are NOBODYS!!!!!! Ask Tony Alamo when was his last artist..And tell him lay off the Beatles story...it's tired and old..... Just like him.. HE is a NOBODY that turned into a good Con Artist!
For people bagging on Lori Jones and Gina Howard and all the other girls ....Wern't they just kids when that place got raided??????
So what they are gonna burn in hell cuzz they didnt bang.."Papa Tony"??? You people make me sick how much you believe in this guy...its one thing to believe in GOD ...but another to get online and start defending a man who molested...woops...I mean..."MARRIED" Benji's little sister! HOW DO YOU NOT SEE IT LIKE THAT???
So pathetic you people are...Im sure you'll respond that "I'm gonna burn in hell...and I need to repent, and that Tony is a man of God....bla bla bla......
I wonder what it will take for you to see what this guy really is?...Maybe when he starts banging your daughter youll see....... |
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Hey everyone
It has been forever and a day since I have talked to most of you, from "the church". My name is Rebecca (Levy) Gay. Most of you know me as Rebecca Levy. I was born and raised in the Alamo church. I was kicked out February 27, 1989, the day after I turned 14 years old. I was kicked out for asking "PaPa Tony" a Bible question which he could not answer. He said that God told him that I was mocking him and that I must be smitten. At that point Jody Fryer and Carol Miller SMOTE me on my left face/head area 4 times. I stood there like a good, submissive kid and took my beating. I was then sent to Nashville TN where I could not infect any other children with my thinking. Two weeks later I guess God told Tony that I was not repentant and I was kicked out...... FLASH FORWARD..... I am 30 years old now... married for 10 years and blessed to be the mother of 3 absolutely stunning little boys (ages, 8, 6, and 5). We live in West Palm Beach , Florida. What I would like people to know, especially those who are still in the church or those who are just leaving the church.... If you have been told that by leaving the church you will be 1) turned over to a reprobate mind, or 2)you will be made a sinner 7 times worse than the sinner you were before you got into the church, or 3) that you will never accomplish anything on your own in the "big bad world of sin" I want you to know that the devil is a liar! Those are all lies the enemy formed at the lips of Tony Alamo to scare you into staying in bondage to Tony Alamo and his cult! You need to know that all things are possible through Christ Jesus who strengthens you! My husband and I own a $380 thousand dollar home... We own our own vehicles, our children go to a good school, I personally am in my second year of Bible college, which I am paying for myself. I am a succesful business owner and my husband has worked for the "very scary, BAD, govornment" for the last 11 years. Me, my husband and our children attend a Bible believing, Spirit filled church. We fear God and keep His commandments and we are submitted to those in authority over us both civilly, and Spiritually. God is doing mighty things both through as and to us. God is good... His mercy is new every morning and His grace is sufficient. That will not change!
Please feel free to email me if you want at:}} BeccaSue1975@aol.com |
friend (friend)
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If all the accusations of child abuse in Alamo's church are true, and I have no reason to believe they are not, why has he not been arrested and charged? |
beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)
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The reason why there has been no charges filed, according to the Federal Bureau Of Investigation is because they cannot just take accusations of ex-members as being true. They said they need MANY ex-members to write letters indicating dates, times, and particular incidents of sexual and physical abuse, with each letter collaborating and verifying the other letter they would then be able to open a case and further investigate. Funny how a child can go to school and claim to be inappropriately touched at home and that very day there is Child Protective Services at that child's door... but when you are an ex-member of a fiendish cult, and have witnessed or have been abused, your word is as good as dirt.
Aint America grand!?} |
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bill, I don't know you and it is obvious that you are an old backslider. Please don't preach to me about the church, Tony or anything else. I have a good Pastor who I know for a fact is doing something for the Lord. You don't know God because if you did you would not speak evil of God's people like the rest of the losers on this message board. i.e. beccasue,double j etc... double j thinks he is so big time because he is a dime a dozen DJ..are we supposed to be impressed? And what do you do for God? Do you think that just because you can quote a few scriptures you are godly? Think again. You are fallen. Satan can quote scriptures too. |
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nfly, it is my pleasure to meet you( someone that speaks for God and judges for him too.) Perhaps he'll even let you execute some of them too. You know the very people that you say you are trying to save lol. I would never try to tell you to leave your beloved pastor, in fact I think you belong with each other he has made you threefold the child of damnation that he is.. If you spent more time working out your own salvation in fear and trembling instead of telling Lori , anna , and Gina what they haven't done for the Lord you might even see the light. have you never read that you shouldn't try to cast out the beam before you take care of the mote in your own eye. for all of your talk where is your fruit you sure talk alot about serving God and why are you not in the church if you believe they are so right. as far as knowing Tony lol, ask him if he knows me. I could tell you how many days I have spent with both he and susan but it way in the thousands. and know him very well. it is obvious to me that you are decieved but if you kept your mouth shut you too might be considered a person of wisdom. have a good day little girl. |
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NFLY...
There you go...TRYING to put me down..... You can call me what you want ......At least I'm not married to more than one woman......Whats that called again???? HHMMMMM ....I wonder what Jesus will say about that.. OH wait.....Did Tony Alamo tell you God told him it was OK? Ha...One second you try to preach...then the next second you are trying to put someone down... Hey...call me a back slider...call me what you want...At least I can admit what I am.....I love that you would take some of your precious time to respond to my thoughts...and start judging me...Let me quote YOU...you wrote "double j thinks heis so big time because he is a dime a dozen DJ..are we supposed to beimpressed?" Well first off I was never trying to impress people, especially a Jesus HACK like yourself......Oh By the way...ever heard of Judge not lest Ye be judged...better go repent .....cuzz now you too are a backslider.... Don't ever try to sound intelligent, If you were you would see what Tony Alamo is....A good CON ARTIST....Can't you admit that?...Man you gotta be damn good to get so many wives..... I wonder how long before Jeanette... catches on.....HHHHMMMMM......I feel sorry for her...She was in a class 2 years earlier than myself when I went to school there..... Wow....what a wasted life on a old wrinkly, angry, government running, finger pointing, catholic hating person. Maybe Jeanette is as blind as he is? What do you think?????????? Personally I think he likes young tight.....well look at his wives.... You get the point....Damn good...damn good is what he is!
You asked..... "WHAT HAVE YOU EVER DONE FOR GOD?"....Hmmmm well not much lately...Hey at least I am honest....
For you to say I don't know Tony Alamo..GET A CLUE before you go spouting off at the mouth and defending some one who ordered my brother beaten with a pallet board! ....My parents were in the Church for over 20 years.....I was born in Los Angeles ...and lived on the Ridge in Arkansas till I was 12 or 13...I have PERSONALLY seen some DISPICIBLE things...Like TONY ALAMO ordering Bob Streit to hit my brother(who was 14 or 15 at the time) with board off a pallet 70 TIMES...for writing a love letter to a girl.... But I'm sure you'll be happy to know that.."Thats what Jesus told him to do".....During the entire time my brother was getting beat AT TONY ALAMOS HOUSE ON THE RIDGE IN HIS DOWNSTAIRS MEETING ROOM...he refused to cry.......When we got home my brother came out of the bathroom.....and into our bed room...I remember him starting to cry.....he then pulled down the back of his pants and said...LOOK..... on the inside of his white underwear...was DOZENS of little red BLOOD spots...... He was literally beaten to a bloody pulp, while Tony Alamo sat on the phone gave the orders the amount of swats and then listened as it happened!....Don't you EVER tell me how Tony Alamo is a righteous man...... he can hide behind his excuses of saying ...I didn't personally hit him.... It was Bob Streit...Well Hitler didn't personally kill millions of Jews ...but he was just as responsible . I got more stories for you if you ever wanna start spewing garbage again. I'm bitter? Why because I say what really happened there? Tony was not always a bad guy.... I believe he was a righteous man when his FIRST wife Susan was still alive. All that has changed now. .....Your turn. |
helives (helives)
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I came to crescent heights and lived at the foundation until 1989. I knew the Lord brought me there and saved me. He made me know he was real and I felt His Holy Spirit. I faithfully prayed, read the Bible, cared for baby christians, and worked day and night for the sake of the gospel. I worked at the spec house and I know tony alamo personally. It has been almost 15 years since the Lord took me out of the foundation. He has dealt with me so strong and showed me a side of Him that I never heard about while living at the foundation. Yes he is a God to be feared, but he is also a God of Love. He loved us so much that he died for us. If we could make it into heaven by how hard we worked, how many tracts we passed out and how much we could read the Bible and pray, then why did God have to send His only beloved Son to die? The Bible says -Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. It has taken time for me to come from an enviroment where it is all about works - to where I am now . Understanding that Jesus paid the price for my salvation - It is a free gift from God, non are righteous - only by the blood that Jesus shed on Calvary are we made whiter than the driven snow. I was a great Tony supporter while I was at the foundation and for years after I left the foundation. People would try to tell me stuff, but I did the same thing some of the people on this site are doing - defending Tony. It took years, but I remember the day I came to the understanding that the "Confessions" we had after Susie died were unscriptual. I always had a hard time when "Confession" time came around. I really never knew what to confess. Now I understand why I wasn't convicted - I kept the commandments in the Bible, but even more than that, the Bible says to confess your sins to God and your faults to man. So why did Tony Alamo allow the members of the church to line up and come in one after another and confess their sins over the pulpit and to him? They confessed to lying (this is a sin they needed to confess only to God), stealing (this is a sin needing only to be confessed to God) and numberous other sins that he sat there and allowed people to confess to. Who does he think he is? The confessions were and are totally unscriptual. Line things up with the Word of God. The Bible says be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted. I know that type of behavior wasn't happening before I left there. Kids were being beaten with the "board of education", little kids 10 years old and up were going to the sewing room in Alma and setting rhinestones until 10pm at night and then expected to be at school at 8 am the next day. This was everynight of the week, except sunday - they got a day of rest. Well that is after going to the morning prayer meeting and the long afternoon church service. False reports being acted on as if they were facts. People being kicked out - lots of times because they didn't agree with TA. Tony controlled all the money - I read the finace list to him. I saw what he spent his money on. He had custom made clothes and boots - have you ever gotten a pair of custom made boots the whole time you have been at the foundation. Have you ever been called a old dog or devil or weasel by him? Have you ever gotten rebuked for something you didn't do. Don't ever forget that YOU are redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb and whatsoever he doeth to the least of mine he has done to me also. Just because you say you are a pastor that doesn't exclude you from keeping all the commandments,as a matter of fact it makes you more accountable.
I'm blessed, and I seek the Lord everyday. I feel and see him moving in my life. I'm looking forward to the day I lay my cross down and put on my crown. I pray all the time for my brothers and sisters in Christ that are still being tortured at the foundation by a cruel taskmaster. Some of them have given so much - and then only to be mocked and treated so awful. Take care and I will Pray for you always. Lots of your brothers and sister who have departed from the walls of the foundation are praying and fasting for you. We speak of you fondly, wishing to be able to see you and talk about the glories of our Lord and Saviour! Take care and remember we are all washed in the blood of Jesus. Hello to Lori and Gina, I always loved you when I taught you school. Gina you and I went to Nashville together for Fan Fare - I would love to hear from you. I don't know if you even check this site. No name for now - I do not want any problems with people from the foundation. |
tlthe5th (tlthe5th)
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nfly... I wouldn't even bother with these people. you can see they're full of bitterness and it's over their decisions not to keep serving the Lord. The Bible states that we would go through trials and that would be a joyous thing. Tony has to go by the reports he receives. Thats Scriptual. "In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established"? I had a hard experience there too but I blame myself mostly and ask for God's forgiveness. It was a wonderful place for me to be right after I got saved and needed a place just like that. Tony's literature is powerful. Show me a preacher that preaches the straight up truth like he does. Oh, and the Bible doesn't condemn poligamy. Matter of fact as I recall Jesus used poligamy as a parable with the 10 virgins. 5 wise and 5 foolish and guess what? there was only one bridegroom. would Jesus use a parable in that way without saying it was sin if it was? I'm not saying Tony is married to more than one wife. Nobody can prove that so why would you try to use something like that against him, it seems like you're so desperate to have an accusation that you're making something up. Muslims are married to more that one wife and so are jews and mormons and i'm sure many others.
Anyway, this DJ is obviously deep in sin and the others are blind and that Anna Davis is scary. I knew her personally, and so does my wife and she's crazy and her children wear dirty clothes and she doesnt clean them up. They were always filthy. I have 5 kids and they're not like that. |
skeptik (skeptik)
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Yo NFLY! If you're not a member of the Alamo Church, you sure had me fooled. I was never a member, but man, even I could see the place didn't seem to be all that kosher, and that Alamo was a bit odd. |
skeptik (skeptik)
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Thanks, Titus. And you're doin' a pretty good job also. |
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I don't know, but stranger things have happened, Rattlesnake. |
nfly (nfly)
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rattlesnake ha! the name must fit you perfect! Especially the "snake" part!! I expected some slime to make up trash and I guess you are the elected slime to do just that! Oh and as for you skeptik, I have a question for you... HAVE YOU EVER MET PASTOR ALAMO PERSONALLY? If you haven't then maybe you should change your way of thinking. I do know him and therefore I can say the things I say knowing that it's true. ALL OF YOU "skeptics" just make your decisions and judgements on this ministry by RUMOR AND SKEPTICISM so please grow up. I could say anything about you on a message board and abroad and it may or may not be true but anyone can make an opinion about you based on what I say and they never met you...THINK ABOUT IT. Oh and re: Anna Davis, she is a PIG and I know her personally enough to say it. |
friend (friend)
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Posted From: 66.162.203.195
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"Funny how a child can go to school and claim to be inappropriately touched at home and that very day there is Child Protective Services at that child's door... but when you are an ex-member of a fiendish cult, and have witnessed or have been abused, your word is as good as dirt.
Aint America grand!?}"
If CPS could come into churches and take action against abuse charges, every fundamentalist in this nation would scream. It is the fault of the extreme religious right that what you describe goes on.
I agree with you, though. Churches should not be immune from investigations. |
paperclip (paperclip)
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Posted From: 69.151.173.162
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nfly, (this refers to your post on the other thread)
I have been reading these posts the last few days with great interest, as I was in that organization for a number of years. It's been like reading the plot to a bad soap opera. Anyway, I take EXTREME offence to your statement that Tony Alamo teaches the Word of God, (the Bible) accurately, and I must put in my 2 cents. I am not going to get into doctrinal debates here, because that's unscriptural, and because the Word of God tells us that the Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth, and we have not need of man to teach us God's Word. THAT'S where most of those folks made their first mistake. They put the Alamos up on a pedestal, and exalted them more than our Lord Jesus. I'm not going to get into a thing explaining why I was there, or why I left, suffice it to say, that, if people who REALLY love the Lord, and FEAR Him, would DO WHAT HE SAYS, and seek Him with their WHOLE mind, heart, soul, body, and strength, HE WILL SHOW THEM HIS WORD. Let me give you a clue here: Tony Alamo is in an extreme backslidden state, he is now seeking familiar spirits, (just like Saul did in the OT), because the Lord left him a long time ago. If any of you people who defend him, would take the time to do a little research, you would find out that in some of his writings he uses references from "The Holy Bible from the Ancient Eastern Text, George M. Lamsa's translation, Harper Collins Publisher". Ok, well, do a little research on Mr. George Lamsa. Here, I'll make it easy for you:
http://www.equip.org/free/DL010.htm
http://www.metamind.net/metacollect.html
Check it out for yourself, that is, if you care to use the brain that the Lord gave you. Please, I BEG of you, check this out. Believe it or not, we're talking your eternal souls here. You need to take heed, and take care, nfly, because, after reading your posts, it sounds to me, that you have succeeded in your goal--you have taken on the same spirit as tony alamo. Talk about repent, tony alamo needs to repent. (oh, by the way, I'm not the least bit bitter,lest you accuse me of that, just stating facts here) CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF. |
rattlesnake (rattlesnake)
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Posted From: 198.53.125.115
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Actually, irish_jedi, it means nothing to me whether nfly is male or female. I was just clarifying something I heard, now obviously it is a topic nfly wishes to avoid so we will have to draw our own conclusions. For you to say that she/he does not fit the profile of a vicious person, read some of the postings by nfly. nfly is rather nasty to a lot of people and if nfly does not like something that someone says, nfly responds in a nasty manner. My point is that this does not sound very christian to me and I am sure there are many who would agree with me on this interpretation. You, irish_jedi, don't sound much more christian, right "dumb ass"? |
nfly (nfly)
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paperclip, I do know that Pastor Alamo is accurate and he has all the proof to back it up. Once again, you are one that looks for fault. The Spirit of God is what teaches us and I feel the Spirit of God teaching me through messages I recieve from Pastor Alamo. Are you teaching about the Word of God? Or are you only looking for fault because you didn't agree with Tony? Enlighten us please.
Rattlesnake, Dumb ass is in the BIBLE!!! What is not Christian about that? And you do not know whether I am male or female or even who i am period so therefore you do not speak the truth in claiming to hear rumors of such a relationship. Read the part in the Bible about liars. Or did you rip those pages out? |
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nfly: there you go again...tsk.. tsk... you want to make it to heaven you better start behaving a little bit more christian like. You may be surprised.. I may know a lot more about you than you want me or any one else to know... so don't get so high and mighty!!!
And perhaps you should read your bible a little bit more, I think there is a scripture there somewhere about judging people!!! |
nfly (nfly)
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Paperclip, you say that we don't have need for man to teach us the Word of God??? How unscriptural is that!! How will the world know unless someone tells them? I suppose you may think that there is no such thing as God making some pastors, teachers etc... I suppose you may also think that it is wrong for parents to tell children right from wrong. Is that your concept? We are supposed to bear fruit, feed the sheep etc. Yes, of course we have the Holy Spirit and the Spirit (God's Word) does not contradict itself. |
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Hey Irish_Jedi....Who would order a kid ..(aka Carrissa Curry, a girl who has ceasurs) to get hit with a board 30 times for having a medical problem, and saying that GOD told him it was the devil in her, and the Devil needed to be beat outta her......or are you gonna try to deny that that ever happended?........Who would order Tylon Willis to Receive 140 swats by a 200+ lb man (Oh.....But Tony had a heart...he let Tylon get the swats in increments of 70....Im sure Tylon is saying every chance he gets....Gee thanks Tony Alamo....PROBABLY NOT)...Don't come on here and verbally give Tony Alamo a blow job....Irish_Jedi....Get outta bed with the old wrinkly bastard and maybe you'll see the truth.....or maybe it will be your kid that gets beat and you see brusies on them that something in the back of your mind says...wait a sec..this isnt right!!!! Oh and by the way here a News flash for you...The only reason Tony Alamo ain't making deals with stars is because his career was in the can! You asked why people are bashing Tony Alamo...Hey Irish_Jedi....simply answer this for me...Is it OK to make a kids rear end bleed from hitting them? Is it OK to be married to more than one person at a time? If you answer yes to any of those two questions...Your as fooled as my parents were when they were in there.(in other words...an IDIOT)
As for the other Tony Alamo defender here...NFLY... How can you not feel like a fool defending this guy over and over again... Is this sack of "holy" crap married to one of your daughters too? Paying for all your bills? Give you a house after your faithful 20 years of service? You KEEP talking about rumors...I stated FACTS that happened at the church, on the ridge, at TONY ALAMOS house, and still its not fact enough for you?????...You too need to get outta bed with Tony Alamo or get outta his wallet you pig.
PS... You can get way more from banging a record rep that is actually in touch w/ reality and artists than sleeping with some old dude selling you a story from 1965...What idiots
This is starting to get fun...I'm sure your gonna tell me to repent, Im just bitter, I making stuff up....... BLA, BLA, BLA.....What else you got...I love it when you really start telling us what we are.....I didn't know GOD hired you to help him judge people. Hey...Im a sinner.... I can judge, at least I'm not a liar and a child abuser like ( or child abusing ...order giver) ....like Tony Alamo!
by the way...when will the next time Tony be on to tell you what to type....I'd love to chat with him...I still have an open invitation on my radio program....I'll be fair, respectful...but will ask tough questions....Let him know the invitations there will you? i mean since your such a good friend of Tony Alamo.....SKEPTIK, and SNAKE great job! |
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nfly: I did not make any such thing clear to irish jedi.. I merely said that it really made no difference to me. Why are you avoiding the question? And do you really think that the way you speak to people on this board is very christian like? Do you think your God would approve of your ridicule and name-calling?? You are the one claiming to be christian so perhaps you should live and behave like a christian too. Stop being so judgemental and cruel. Or is that what you were taught to believe was the godly way to act? |
double_j (double_j)
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NFLY wrote..."Dumb ass is in the BIBLE!!! What is not Christian about that?".....Well its official... You have proven to us all that you are an official IDIOT..... I'm willing to bet even the other Tony Alamo supporters are cringing on that statement...What a moron!!!!!! Show me in the bible where Jesus calls some one a dumbass (In the way you did)..... I bet you look as stupid as you sound....lol...Thanks for the laugh...That was funny!!!
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rattlesnake (rattlesnake)
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irish_jedi.. are you getting a little nervous!! Really now.. you should not yell, it is not nice. You actually sound very childish and once again, not very God-like. You have no clue as to who or what I know, so do not be so quick to judge. I think you should let nfly speak for nfly. Seems quite capable of self-defense and very good at avoiding issues! Taking turns at the same computer are you two? |
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Rattlesnake,
Tony must be taking a nap right now...they have to wait till he wakes up before they can answer.....Other wise they will probably get swatts too! lol |
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Well your not me DUMBASS.. Is Tony awake yet? I want to talk to him I want him on my radio show...Oh By the way...you didn't address the issue of polygamy....you plan on doing that any time soon?
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Double_j:
See..nfly is judging again and yelling(CAPS). You may note that nfly and irish_jedi have the same ip addy. I have asked for clarification on a few things,but did I get any..no. I must say that anyone who can say that a man who orders, performs, or encourages child abuse of any sort is not being directed by God. So yes, Double_j, you have good reason to be pissed off.
I also believe that God would not condone the type of ungodly behaviour displayed by nfly or irish_jedi. Do they call themselves Christians? I would seriously admonish them to look deep into their heart and see if that is how God would want them to behave!!!
By the way nfly, who is doing the name calling? |
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Still avoiding the Topic are we alamo supporters..(aka one of his many wives)POLYGAMY - Is it OK according the the KING JAMES VERSION OF THE BIBLE?
YES or NO
Rattlesnake...watch em avoid the question or not give a strait answer..... |
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That would be a hoot indeed!!! Would not surprise me in the least. Nothing would, for that matter. |
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I would just like to see nfly address some issues honestly and directly rather than be side-tracked with all of this childish behaviour and name-calling. I do not understand where being a christian comes into any of what I have read so far. |
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Actually I was there, and I remember the horrible muffled sounds(the swats)as they hit Tylon and other children that night, while everyone sat around in dead silence thanking God it wasn't them being beat this time. Tylon was being held up by four men(one man on right arm, one on left and the same for his feet) and being BEATEN by a fith (..aka Bob Streit ..On a side note...Oh how I'd love to get my hands on that son of a bitch)
As far as Tony praying for your grandmother, Thats great someone prayed for your her and helped you out finaciall, weather it was Tony or Joe Blow...it dosent make a difference who prayed for her. What, I should think hes a great man cuzz he did soemthing nice for a dying person....Newsflash people pray for dying people everyday of the year!!!!! Thats called compassion. Not GREATNESS....are you that blind that you dont see that. Go hand out at a hospital.... you'll see more people praying for dying people there than you will at church this Sunday.As far as paying your hospital bills, that is great!!!! But the government has programs for that as well.(and you dont have to blow some one for a chemotherapy treatment)I know harsh, but you are so blinded by this mans money and fakness. Save the crocadile tears and the hollier than thow stories for some one who doesnt know what really whent on ther in the late 80's and early 90's.
Truth can be a bitch when exposed. Ask Jimmy Swaggart...Look at him; That guy got caught with a HOOKER, but he still has his money maker...I mean his "ministry".
Oh and you said I" better be careful of how I speak?" LOOK here...I am not in your cultanymore...I do not have the wool pulled over my eyes, I don't get scared anymore when one of you people threaten me. I know God will judge me when I die..... but dont tell me how I can and can not talk about someone..... Maybe he has control over you still but not over me or my family any more.
Again what about the POLYGAMY issue...is your husband Tomy Alamo a sick bastard for being married to more than one woman?
I noticed you failed to address the issue of POLYGAMY.....AGAIN.... why is that? Again your thouhhts on Tony Alamo being a "Christian" and married to more than one woman. |
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Hey irish_jedi: Why did tony have to spend thousands of dollars on surgery for your grandmother? Why did he not just go and heal her right off the bat? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Why let the woman suffer through all that if all it was going to take was Saint Tony's touch? Seems a bit quacky to me. Let the doctor's do their work and then when she recovers lets give Tony the credit. Sounds a litte backwards to me. |
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NFLY - You are a QUACK.....To believe that Polagamy is ok means you are as blind as that old dying husband of yours...AKA Tony Alamo
David Koresh made more sense than what you said...and he was WAAAAAAAAYYY out there! |
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Even my 8 year old step daughter knows you can only have one wife or one girlfriend you moron.
How can you be so dilusional, an twist the words that are in the Bible to fit your sexual needs you sick pig. Why after 25+ years preaching what him and his first wife Susan were preaching he changed his message? When the change? After the invention of viagra?
Your not a blind bat...your a blind DING bat |
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SKEPTIC, I COULD CARE LESS THAT YOU WERE NOT IMPRESSED BY TONY ALAMO. THE POINT IS, CHRISTIANS DON'T LIVE TO IMPRESS THE WORLD. JESUS DIDN'T IMPRESS THE PHARISEES YADA YADA YADA... BOTTOMLINE IS HE IS DOING HIS JOB. THINK ABOUT IT FOR A MINUTE... GOD SAYS HE DOESN'T LIKE LIARS, ADULTERERS OR WHOREMONGERS BUT THAT DOES NOT IMPRESS THE WORLD AND GOD DOES NOT CARE. |
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nfly: I never inquired about polygamy. I actually would like you to clarify who put you in a position to be so judgemental and how you think your behaviour on this board comes across in any way as that of a Christian person? |
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DOUBLE j IF YOU OWN A BIBLE JUST GO READ IT AND THEN MAYBE YOU WILL SEE. YOU ARE JUST ANGRY BECAUSE YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH SCRIPTURE AND WIN. WHO IS THE MORON HERE? OH AND BY THE WAY I AM NOT TONY'S WIFE. SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU.
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Oh I get the picture!!!
Christians don't have to impress anyone so it is ok for them to have sex adlib with whom ever they please and with as many as they please!! It is ok to beat children and rape or molest them and to totally disregard the law because they don't care if the world is unimpressed. And to top it all off, their God doesn't care either!!! Wow that sounds like a whole lot of chaotic fun doesn't it? Doesn't it just make us all want to line up and join in and expose ourselves and our innocent children to this version of Christianity!!!!
Sorry nfly... you're not doing a very good job of selling Tony and his version of Christianity to the world. In English... YOu failed!!!! |
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"YOU CANNOT WITH SCRIPTURE AND WIN".. Don't try to sound inteligent.... you believe in polygamy....anyone who believes in that is a dimmed lightbulb. Again ...When and why did Tony Alamo change his preaching philosophy...He NEVER preached about it being OK to be married to more than one person for the first 25 years of his ministry being opened,or for the firstt3 wives that ddint leave him....Please lean over and ask Tony his response and type it for him....I would say have Tony type it himself but I dont think they have brail keyboards yet. Oh and ask him if GOD wil give him the strength to go on my radio program...will ya. Thanks dear. |
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Oh yeah, and is Tony Alamo really blind/suffering from glaucoma? I've seen some pictures with him wearing shades, and others not, and his eyes looked okay to me. Must be a showbiz thing I guess. |
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Can Tony not heal himself? |
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Or is he fakin' it? |
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Thats great...please address my question, and dont worry about my future grandkids...Again ..."When and why did Tony Alamo change his preaching philosophy...He NEVER preached about it being OK to be married to more than one person for the first 25 years of his ministry being opened, or for the first 3 wives he had that didn't leave him....AGAIN.....Please lean over and ask Tony his response and type it for him.......
Hey Skeptik...He really is blind, or just about blind that I do know. I never heard of any molestations or rapes that happened at the "church", but I did witness many KIDS being beaten and me being beaten in a few. I will expose that lunatic for what he is .... A GREAT CON ARTIST that got away with having kids aboused at his church and convincing/brainwashing parents that God said it was ok. Notice they never addressed the issue of the young girl (Carrissa Curry) who was beaten for haing ceasures..... how is that Godly...Tony alamo said the lod told him it was the devil and the Devil needed to be beat outta her. ...Id love to hear his reasoning behind that one. |
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double j, I stand corrected. |
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Real Christians (not all but definately some) take the liberty to have sexual relations with young girls, boys and even very young children. And so if you people are saying polygamy is ok, (I don't think it is legal)then just because some leader of some group says ok, and some one performs a ceremony, that does not make it legal or right. So if it is not legal and they are having sex... then it is wrong. And it does not matter who says they are married if the marriage is not legal. |
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Snake boy, "do you not know that the SAINTS shall judge the world?... "Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?" and like I said before, you know a tree by its fruit. Isn't that fundamental?
double j, I am not "trying to sound intelligent" but since we are on the subject... try to use a dictionary or spell check before you post your messages.
Back to you Snake, I am a Christian and proud to be defending the gospel. Sorry that you think I am too harsh or judgemental but I believe that everything I say just goes way over your head. I am not at all trying to convince you of how well I know the Bible, Tony or anything else. It's too late for you. You have made up your minds to be reprobates!!! P.S. HOW DOES THAT VOMIT TASTE OR HOW DOES THAT MUD FEEL? I MEAN YOU DO WALLOW IN IT ALL DAY DON'T YOU? |
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"real christians dont believe in haveing sex when ever or who ever"...is that the best you ding bats can come up with? i neer came on here and said anything about me being a christian or being a "real christian" as you put it. there you go judging gain.......hmmmbetter ask tony if thats ok too...wait...ha..Im sure it is. My bad. dont know what I was thinking... rattlesnake...thank you for your words...you took them right outta my mouth...im sure they are gonna say God says it leagal, and wre man, and we have no athority over God....bla bla bla bla. lol..... Still they avaid the child beating incidents. |
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SNAKE, PLEASE TRY TO WORK ON MAKING SOME SENSE. |
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I need to spell check.... Oh how your message has changed. Usually when people are sounding foolish they resort to those type of posts.
You wrote "Back to you Snake, I am a Christian and proud to be defending the
gospel.' i think you need to go up and re read your own posts...you have been defending Tony Alamo. see how he can blind you? You are catching cataracts from him. lol.. you also wrote " It's too late for you." did Tony tell you God told him that? or are you making up Gods mind for him again?
Again,will you address the issue of Tony Alamo having children beat for having epilepsy. or are you gonna throw some scripture at me? Address the issue! Tony Alamo is a child beating, child abusing coward. |
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hmm...'CHILD ABUSE' well like i said i was born and raised there and i never was beaten or threatened to be beaten. but maybe you're talking about a good spanking...something obviously u never got. maybe thats why these kids of today are so damn unruly i.e smarting off, talking back,cursing at their elders,etc. its people like u who make these kids like this by not showing them that u are the parent. no i dont condone beating. but why is it that i was never a witness to such things and i was there 14 years could it be u are exaggerating greatly. |
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n-fly wrote:paperclip, I do know that Pastor Alamo is accurate and he has all the proof to back it up. Once again, you are one that looks for fault.I'm not looking for fault. I stated a FACT--he studies writings by a spiritualist, and quotes him, (almost verbatim) and it is on his website for the whole world to see--he is seeking familiar spirits (you have conveniently ignored THAT fact)nfly wrote: Paperclip, you say that we don't have need for man to teach us the Word of God??? How unscriptural is that!!1Jo 2:27 "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him"
1Jo 2:28 "And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming."
1Jo 2:29 "If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him."
Jam 3:1 "My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation." There's your scriptures.
cross301973 wrote: It is right that Tony does teach the Bible correctly to a point. And some of the stuff that he preaches on is pure foolishness. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. Jam 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." OK? I am not going to justify my belief in God's Word. You don't know the Bible. You have taken tony's word as God's. You err. I will probably not post again, because
Pro 23:9 "Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words." }Nothing but the Word of God.}
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nfly states: Back to you Snake, I am a Christian and proud to be defending the gospel. Sorry that you think I am too harsh or judgemental but I believe that everything I say just goes way over your head. I am not at all trying to convince you of how well I know the Bible, Tony or anything else. It's too late for you. You have made up your minds to be reprobates!!! P.S. HOW DOES THAT VOMIT TASTE OR HOW DOES THAT MUD FEEL? I MEAN YOU DO WALLOW IN IT ALL DAY DON'T YOU?
Well!! Here we go... judging again, and sounding like an immature child. I hate to tell you this, but what you say does not go over my head.. trust me,you remind me of juvenile kids that fight and can't even remember why they are fighting.
You are not defending God or the bible.. you are defending Tony. I agree that you should go back and read your own posts. Trust me, what you are saying and how you are behaving does not do Tony any favours. Makes it look like he has a bunch of losers as followers. I feel pity for you. And yes I know, you will come back at me with some malicious name-calling and childish ranting... save it.. you may need it when Tony calls on you to explain your behaviour in such an ungodly manner. |
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Kudos, Rattlesnake! |
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irish_jedi wrote "hmm...'CHILD ABUSE' well like i said i was born and raised there and i
never was beaten or threatened to be beaten. but maybe you're talking
about a good spanking....Lets address that...140 swats with a board...thats a spanking?...blood spots in underwear from being "spanked"... Me personaly getting hit on one occasion 35 times with a board at Tony alamos house as i had to bed over his yellow/gold colored plush chair as others watched.... Hit so hard that the next day it hurt soooooo bad to sit down in Pete Cortez' science class.....But I'm sure I'm making that up right? Lets continue with what you wrote "but why is it that i was never a witness to such things and i was there 14 years could it be u are exaggerating
greatly." You are full of SH*T...and you KNOW it...... Now YOU are going to burn in hell right along with me. YOU ARE A LIAR adn YOU KNOW IT! I will expose you, you lying filthy Tony Alamo money sucker. Don't you EVER try to convince people on here or anywhere else that this di not happen. How can you sell out that bad? |
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thanks paperclip. I don't really care to hear from you again. You never did address the issue about how God has called people to preach/teach etc... you cannot make a religion out of one scripture. Please rightly divide the Word. |
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snake, using scripture is not immature. but i am sure that all of your comments to skeptic and double j are considered to be highly intelligent and mature right? by the way, what is your claim to fame? What credibility do you have? And speaking of being a "loser" who is judgeing who? hmmmmmm |
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Truth is... I was in the church for 12 years and never was a child
beaten.All of the children there are in good health and the children
are treated very well. Bob Streit is a fat weasel. But you know what?
Just because that bastard did whatever you claim he did. (I was not
there)does not mean that you, me or anyone else can blame the whole
ministry. like is said in earlier posts: hitler didnt personally kill millions of jews, but he was just as responsible...And you knwo it was more than just bob Streit...mike Borrack, Bill Curry, I was only hit with a board one time by Tony personaly, it was 15 times with aboard and he made me hold on to a chair and told me if i let go the swats would start over. i think I was 10..... You are a liar and a pig. You are beneathe my worst enemies, to sit here and try to lie and pull the wool over peoples eyes still1 Shame on you! |
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And as for rightly dividing the word, I had an experience with a few Alamists that took a few scriptures, and blew 'em out of proportion, as evidenced by the fact that I've scoured the Bible, and can't find those verses anywhere! |
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nfly: I was not refering to any scripture quoting as immature. I was referring to every other word that came off your fingertips on to this page as immature. Do yourself a favor, go back and read your own garbage. Anyone can quote scripture. At this point in time, I do not expect any less of you because you have given us all a pretty accurate character reference of yourself and it is not pretty. Not that I expected any less, knowing you as I do, you came out true to character. Some times God uses strange and unique ways to test people. Guess what... You failed!!! Profoundly. |
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double j im just telling u MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE W/THE CHURCH.i WILL NOT BE BURNING IN HELL AS U WILL DEFINITLY BE...because i didnt and never will sell out GODS people as u have. yeah u may have been dealt a bad card. I BELIEVE PEOPLE DID there own doings not tonys.that i DO BELIEVE.i did know bob striet when i was there and can believe HE is a devil. |
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SKEPTIC... ONCE AGAIN. I AM NOT CURRENTLY THERE BUT I WAS. DOES THAT SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU? |
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DOUBLE J WHO ARE U?????? |
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There you go again nfly.. I think that perhaps Satan is rejoicing because you are well on your way to joining him and it is quite obvious that no matter how many times people request that you look back and see how horrid you sound on this board, you do not listen. And just because someone is still going strong does not mean they are right. It just means that there are still lots of idiots out there who are foolish enough to fall prey to it. That is obviously because there is something seriously lacking in their life.
And to say that being abused as a child is nothing to whine about, think again. Abuse is a criminal act and punishable and if not by your law, it is by the law of the country. No one is above the law and someday they will mess up and someone will pay for it. And if you think it is okay to abuse a child, you are a very sick person and should seek help.
Where the heck do you get the right to call double-j a raging homosexual? You should be ashamed of yourself. If you were a true Christian you would have warmth in your heart and apathy for someone that has had to endure those things. Every word out of your mouth screams to the world what a cold and heartless person you are. And it did not take much to bring it out, did it.
And on that note, nfly and irish_jedi, I bid you farewell for you are not worth wasting my time trying to help to see the error of your way. You will not change, you are too thick-skulled to listen to anyone's advice so carry on and distroy your life. When your day of reckoning comes and God asks you how you could treat his child the way you did, I hope you don't yell at him and call him names (like raging homosexual, etc.) Remember that when you treat God's child a certain way, you are treating God that way. So carry on my wayward friend and don't dress too warm cause where you are going you will not need any extra warmth.. it will be hot enough. Adios!!! |
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I knew alot of people around there, but I did not know Bob Streit. Was he in Arkansas? |
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To Cross, double_j and skeptic: I give you all credit for getting out. Nfly and irish_jedi are obviously too deceived and hardhearted to listen to what you are saying. You all sound like good decent people who survived and escaped an evil organization. The only thing that these two can do is yell and name call and put people down.. obviously not the type that we need to be wasting our precious time on. They wish to remain in darkness and follow a man instead of God. Concentrate on the positive and be glad it is behind you. One thing I have learned is that these type of people will never apologize or admit they are wrong or answer questions that are asked of them. Don't give them the benefit of a response. Just keep telling the world what you need to tell in order to protect innocents from the likes of Tony and his group. And there are many more sickos out there who live the same way.
Follow God and stay away from people who live this way. There are actually true Christians in this world and they are caring, loving, God fearing (not Tony fearing) individuals.
God bless you!! |
skeptik (skeptik)
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I also did not know Mike Borrack or Bill Curry. I was only a visitor, but met lots of people there.
Oh, and I had seen on the net that the Alamo mansion on the Ridge is up for sale, as are some of the foundation's houses. |
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Rattlesnake, you do me the pleasure of no longer going on and on about the same stuff. You twist every thing I say and I don't have to waste my time with someone who knows absolutly nothing about the Alamo Foundation. You only stand on rumor. THAT IS IT!!! Well, pal I was there. I lived there and experienced a great deal. So I know what I am talking about. You thrive on trying to say that I don't know what I am talking about.
TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT; I DO NOT, HAVE NOT, AND WILL NOT EVER TOLERATE CHILD ABUSE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. Did I say that loud enough for you? Whew!!! I am so glad that you have run out of things to spue out of your mouth. Now I can concentrate on things much more important. |
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Cross, I know very well how things are in the church. Common sense will tell you that if you have something that is contagious STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE. That would be the Christian thing to do. Why are you so weak, that you would get offended @ something like that? Hey, If I have the flu I am going to stay away from people. Why spread it? If you have shingles and someone has not had the chicken pox or if someone is pregnant ...stay away. Same w/ strep throat. Why did you get put out? I suppose it is wrong for a business to have someone fired too, if they are not doing thier job huh?? God does not need cry babies he needs soldiers. People who will work as a team to help others. People get offended @ such petty things. Why not be offended that Satan and his people are saying that it is okay to be a homosexual, it is okay to kill babies (abortion) etc.. Come on people wake up. |
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tlthe5th, Thank God! you are a person that understands what I am talking about. I am not sure how much you were around Tony but I know that he is a godly person. Believe me I am not here to preach "Tony Alamo" all I am saying is that he does rightly divide the Word of Truth. He has always been good to me and I have nothing evil to say about him. I came on to this message board to set the record straight w/ the old backsliders and they obviously don't listen. They will bash me and say I am cruel for saying things about someone like Anna Davis, or Gina Seago/Howard. Meanwhile, these people don't even know them. Your wife is 100% right. Anna is a pig. She is crazy and never took proper care of those children. Her appearance was sloppy and God doesn't need pigs like her. Everything about God is clean and pure and organized. Thank you for your comments. |
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doublej-
I would like to say that I can definitely back up what you say. I know who you are, and I know who your brother, and parents are. What doublej says is true. I also know the poor little girl who got the beatings for having epilepsy. I talked to her mother right afterwards. I was also there when the adults started getting smacked. *Tony called this the 'meat' of the word--little does he know) I was right there in the spec house for a few of these incidents. So, I am also a witness to these things. You,(nfly, irish, tithe5th) who claim to know the Bible, should know that "out of the mouth of two or more witnesses shall every word be established." Although, you don't practice what you preach. I'm sure, that after having been in prison, that tony has stopped these practices, so he doesn't get sent back. so, you probably have not witnessed these things, if you've only been involved in that organization for 10-12 years or so. But we were there back in the 80's when this was going on. So, don't call us LIARS. Just because some people don't want to come against God's anointed (he was at one time very christian-like---before he totally backslid) as David would not come against Saul, doesn't mean it didn't happen. And don't try justifying what you say and do or what anyone in that place says or does with the WORD OF GOD, because you DO NOT KNOW IT< and I DO!! I KNOW my God, and He is SO MERCIFUL and KIND and LOVING that your hard, stony heart could never receive it (unless all you folks TOTALLY repent) So, go spew your garbage somewhere else. You totally VEX my soul, and the Lord too.,,(and believe me, you WILL find that out someday--SOON) |
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nfly says: Everything about God is clean and pure and organized.
Guess that eliminates nfly!!! I couldn't have said it better myself. That is about the only thing nfly said that makes any sense and in saying that, nfly totally seperated from God because nfly's actions on this board are certainly not clean, pure or organized.
Nasty, judgemental and insensitive is a much more accurate description of nfly.
Adios, till we meet again. |
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NFLY,
As far as me getting kicked out I didn't. I left of my own free will. And as far as a person showing how good of a Christian they are, you need to look at yourself because to me you are not looking or sounding Christian like. Last thing I am going to say is GOD BLESS YOU
(Message edited by cross301973 on October 28, 2005) |
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I don't have the dates with me here at the computer, but in the early 1990's Tony married Sharon K - (Dave's wife -until he left the Lord). Sharon had Tony's baby boy "Zion". Around the time of the "Footwashings", around 1991 or so, Tony took Lydia Willis as his wife, He may not have the legal filings in a court to prove by law they were married, but in the Bible when a man took a women - she became his wife. Now Lydia has a son by Tony, " Then Tony went on an took Jeannette Orlando, Angel Streit, Michelle (Kenya's wife)- he forced Lizzy Gutierez - to be his wife. These girls were all under the age of 18 and their families were threatened to be kicked out if they didn't send their daughters over to "The House", I know all their parents and I do know what happened. This is not a bashing on Tony - this is fact. I could go on an on. These are not lies or railing accusations. I know they are facts and sad to say I was one of Tony's biggest supporters at the time. I was picked to testify for Tony in the tax case, which he ended up in prison over. After I gave my testimony I was allowed to sit in the court room in Memphis. I heard Tony Alamo take the 5th amendment when asked if he was married to Lydia- (I had to give him credit, because at least at that point he didn't lie!) The DA said all they have to do is order a DNA test - that will prove that Lydia's baby is Tonys. I heard Larry Willis lie about Lydia's baby belonging to tony. After the day in court Tony invited me and several of the brothers and sisters to accompany him and the attorney's to the Peabody Hotel for dinner. He called his wives around him. Sharon, Lydia, Jeannie,Angel and Lizzy (they were the only ones present at the table.) After dinner we all went out front of the hotel. Tony wanted to go in the horse and buggy carriage ride with his wives. He told us to take a pictures of him with all his wives - as they all leaned over and kissed him on the cheek. I've read most of the postings and I will tell you that Yes, Tony Alamo is almost blind,he does how numerous wives. Yes all the beatings described above did happen. I saw most of them 1st hand. What is the bottom line here, I guess we hope that the people who are still at the foundation would stop defending Tony, and try to look at the whole picture. If someone leaves the foundation, that doesn't mean they are now devils and going to burn in hell. A lot of the exmembers have continued on with the Lord. I feel the Holy Spirit when I pray and read, the Lord has shown me wonderous things since I've left the foundation. Most of us older ones who were with Tony and Sue from the beginning know what happened and all the changes along the way. I saw almost everyone get married, have children, we purchased property after property- went on wittnessing crews - I know the things that I've said are true. The girls that Tony took as his wives - I saw each of them Born (except Sharon & Lydia) .
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cross, please go to your Bible and read what it says about bitterness. You are the one that was offended about having to be quarantined due to your contagious condition at the time. Why be offended @ something like that? You prove by your own actions that you are weak. Why is it when your little girl was thirsty and dehydrated YOU DID NOT GIVE HER LIQUIDS? If that was my child she would have been to the emergency room. YOU, ARE RIDICULOUS for even posting such garbage. NO ONE IN THE CHURCH WOULD EVER DENY SUCH A THING TO A PERSON AND YOU KNOW IT!!!! IF you are so smart as you claim, then why didn't you just take her to the doctor? When my child was sick, she was immediatley taken to the doctor. Oh and you are living in "hell" right now??? okay well then you are obviously NOT BLESSED BY GOD. Christians are victorious, more than conquerors in Christ Jesus and have peace that passes all understanding. Tony is not controlling!!! God gave us all a free will. You can be told to do something but that is for you to decide whether or not you are going to do it. Tony is a man. We are supposed to be controlled by the HOLY SPIRIT not Tony!!! But of course a true Christian would realize that. |
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helives; TONY ALAMO DOES NOT!!!! I REPEAT DOES NOT HAVE PARKINSONS DISEASE. That was the Pope. Tony is very healthy and well and going strong. |
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Give it up nfly!!! You are starting to sound pathetic. You know that everything said about Tony is true and what "helives" did was just reinforce that. So get a grip, quit your ranting and quit trying to victimize the victims. I am sure some where deep down inside there has to be a little thread of decency left in you. Yes it is hard to admit that something or someone you have believed in for a big part of your life turns out to be something other than what you thought but living in denial does not help. Move on and get a real life. You can still serve God and be Christian, probably a much better one.
To Cross: you have been through a lot in your life and I believe you have become a much stronger person for it. Don't let someone else's negativity drag you down. You know the truth and that is all that matters. I hope you can put the past to rest and move on and let God heal your wounds. Get some positive supoport in your life. I can assure you that you will not likely find a whole lot of it on this board. Trust your heart and trust God but not any man like Tony. God bless you |
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Sue Balsly you think you khow Tony but you don't. YOU ONLY LOVE GOSSIP!!!! |
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RATTLESNAKE, BE HONEST DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW TONY ALAMO? IF NOT, WHY ARE YOU SO ADAMANT IN BELIEVING EVERY FALSE, NEGATIVE THING THAT IS POSTED ABOUT HIM? AND WHAT IS YOUR BEEF WITH HIM? |
skeptik (skeptik)
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To Rattlesnake, Helives, Cross301973, Paperclip, DoubleJ, and other colleagues:
I just had a scathingly brilliantly strategic idea!
At the beginning of this particular message board, we find the names of those who'd been at the Foundation, along with the capability to email them. Why don't we invite them back to give some extra perspective on these things? It might be interesting to hear them go in depth about life with Alamo! |
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SKEPTIC, THANKS FOR TELLING ME WHAT I THINK AND BELIEVE....BUT YOU ARE FAR FROM THE TRUTH. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY PASTORS AND CHURCHES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD THAT ARE DOING A WORK FOR THE LORD. I NEVER DEBATED THAT. BUT I WILL COME TO THE DEFENSE OF SOMEONE WHO I KNOW TO BE SINCERE IN THEIR LOVE FOR SOULS. I AM NOT MUDSLINGING. I CANNOT HELP THE FACT THAT I WAS THERE AND I KNOW WHAT I KNOW. I AM NOT GOING TO START MAKING STUFF UP JUST BECAUSE OF RUMORS AND GROSS EXAGGERATIONS. |
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NFLY,
There you go once again, JUDGING. You need to read the posts as they are written. Not once did I say that I MYSELF denied my child water. You are painting a picture that is not even there. As far as me being offended, IT WAS NOT because I was quarantined, it was because TONY HIMSELF called me DEMONIC! Tony does not know me or the kind of person I am.
Let me try and get this through the DEVIL’S VEIL, which he has so politely put over your eyes. I called Tony on the phone when my child was running a 102 temp. I told TONY that I needed to get her to the hospital, TONY HIMSELF SAID PRAY I prayed for my child and the fever continued to rise. It was NOT until I told TONY that it was at 105 that TONY SAID get that child to a hospital.
See the pattern here? IT IS NOT TILL TONY SAYS! You must not know that he will not let people walk off the property. IF THEY DO THEY ARE KICKED OUT OF THE CHURCH!
Like I said I am very strong you are the one that’s weak.
The only reason I am responding to such foolishness is because I don’t want to be painted as an EVIL MOTHER as you have so stated that I am. And how can you talk about free will. If you could go where ever you wanted to go, work where ever you wanted to work, and talk to whomever you wanted to talk with while at the church, then THAT WOULD BE FREE WILL. But it is not the way things are. AND YOU KNOW IT!
PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES! It is not right for a 30 year old man to wed a 12 year old girl. That has MOLESTATION written all over it. That is another reason why I left the church.
ALSO as far as me being bitter, I am working on that. Christians can conquer anything with CHRIST and that is what I have done. I DID NOT hide behind anyone to come through the things I have. I was right there on the FRONT LINE. I conquered drug abuse by the mercy God had on me. I conquered the car accidents and the rapes because of the mercy of God. Have you ever had a gun held to you head and prayed that you would still be alive after when having your body taken by force was over? I have and the whole time I was praying for my life. I have conquered Hepatitis C through the mercy that God had on me. And I am enduring more battles everyday than you could ever imagine.
UNTIL YOU START MAKING SENSE AND READ THINGS AS THEY ARE WRITTEN YOU WILL CONTINUE TO BE TOLD THAT YOU ARE WRONG! Sorry folks but I am not responding to her anymore. I am not going to let her stumble my soul and send me to Hell.
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there's alot of talk from people, who i don't know of, have any kind of ministry. have you been persecuted by the government. the government killed those people at waco and at jonestown. and now the government is bombing and have bombed and killed many civilians and children in Iraq. tony doesn't preach murder like this government. Tony preaches the straight up Word of God. Where is your ministry? where are your responses from overseas praising his work that Tony is allowing the Lord to do through him and the Lord is working through many vessels in these last days. I worked in Tony's tape dept and personally opened and filled orders from many hungry souls from all over the world. where's your work? souls are being saved by Tony's literature by the hundreds of thousands mainly overseas. when my soul was oppressed by satan and i cried out to God I was saved personally through Gods holy Word, I then went to many "churches" and nobody brought the message I received straight from the Bible. upon further discussion of doctrines and meanings from holy scripture we will see where you who think Tony is so wrong will err. The Lord God of Israel revealed Himself to me through Proverbs 1:22 to the end of the chapter and then through the rest of His Word. That is God. Oppression will open your eyes like it did me. I pray you see the truth all of you. just being affiliated with this website is un-Christian, "fight against coersive techniques?" God told us to be coersive in His Word. I signed up just to answer this blindness and shed light on someone who can be saved THROUGH JESUS (the Word). Tony's a Pastor who has a powerful testimony and he's kept going even through being jailed on false charges. He's never been charged because nothing could be proven except that the accusers were lying. where's bob miller now (brought lawsuit against Tony)? he's died of cancer at the age of 50, where's levy's dad? he committed suicide. it's horrible but it's true. Why don't you people say the truth about all the miracles and fearful signs that surround the ministry. I've experienced it first hand. It's a wonderful, wholesome church |
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Nfly:
Yes and my beef with him is the way he lives and the lives he destroys. I really don't think that God wants to see lives destroyed and I do believe that God is a God of love. Tony is not the only man in this world who has lived this way. If you took the time to look around a bit you would see that there are many more leaders who follow the same pattern. They all seem to leave a trail of destruction behind them, shattered lives and lots of pain and hurt. Power can be used for good and it can be used for evil. I seriously believe that they do not always intend for it to turn out evil but somewhere a long the way it happened. When people have been hurt, it does not help to rub salt in their wounds. There are too many witnesses to events that happened to say that it is false. Criticizng Cross for not helping her daughter was not a fair thing to do. Many people do things that they would not normally do when they live in fear. Especially when that fear is of hell and damnation. I too would never let anyone stand in the way of me protecting my children. I would die for them. But that is me. I still do not judge others for their actions when they live in fear. I am sure that now that Cross no longer lives with that fear she would do the same for her child.
I think that it is easy to be blindsided by someone that you trust. I think that the one we need to trust in is God and what we do we should do for him, not because any man in power says we should. When a person becomes so powerful that people believe that what ever thing he says is from God, that becomes pretty scary. We should never follow any man. There are many Christians in this world and they are kind and loving. They serve God and not some man who thinks he is the next best thing to God. They love people and help them, not use them and hurt them and then abandon them when they start to questian his authority. God is a God who cares about his people and anyone who truly loves God will demonstrate that same kind of love.
In the end we will all be judged by God for the way that we have lived the life that he gave us. I would rather be judged as someone who looked to God as my leader and at actions that bore the fruits of the Spirit than by a life of causing pain, control and destruction.
Just don't go through life with blinders on. If you choose to follow a man and take his word for everything without searching your heart and seeking God with all of your heart for the truth, that is your choice. Just please don't rub salt into the wounds of those that have been hurt and who have chosen to follow God and not a man.
The important thing is to follow God and to live a honest and loving example of what a Christian should live. We will all face our day of reckoning and even Tony will have to answer for everything he has done or orchestrated and for all the lives he has destroyed and people he has hurt.
I just don't think that hurting people more than they have already been hurt is a very Godly or christian way to act.
I think you really do want to serve God and be a Christian. All I ask is search your heart and seek out the truth. Look at the facts and the witnesses who can support each other in their statements of events. Maybe not everyone was privy to all that went on. That does not make it untrue. What you choose to do with your life and who you choose to follow is then your choice. Just let others heal and if they need to do that with the support of others on this board, then please let them do that. Sometimes talking about things helps people get to a point where they can heal.
I rather doubt that coming on here and people bashing makes you feel very good inside either. Search your heart and look to God. The only advice I can give you. |
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tlthe5th and NFLY,
Well I was hoping there would be more than you two idiots on here...But appearantly Tony must have them all out busting thier ass' to bring him money. I've read your posts that you have put over the last two days....You still call fact..Rumors...WHY? Its facts about children being beaten. How can you sit here and try to preach to us when you know you are lying about incedents in the church. I personally told you details of a few incidents...but yet you sit here and TRY to convince peopel that read these posts that none of that ever went on? ARE YOU NUTS? Wait u dont need to answer that...speaking of nuts...get Tony Alamos out your mouth and use re read the posts that have been put up here....Why is it that because someone left Tony Alamos church...you say they are devils, Going to hell...ummmm "Raging Homosexuals" (wow..that was a reach in desperation...next time don't type when your feeling angry...it makes you look more idiotic than you already are..) Ask Tony about the Guy who got caught watching women use the bathroom at the church..(he drilled a hole in the wall and would watch them) Ask him if that ever happend...Cant wait for the resonse on that. As for you trying to put all the blame on Bob Streit and Mike Borrack for the beating that took place. Nice try.We dont care if you think he was a weasel. Tony sure liked him...as a matter of fact AGAIN I'll tell you...Tony used hoim all the time to beat children.So he obvioulsy want that big of a weasel....OH Yea...and isnt Tony Alamo married to (well one of his many wives) Bob streits daughter, ANGEL???????? Better becareful what you say about one of Tonys bitches Dad. You two are soo pathetic. I have peple at work read the post you morons put up on here. Its a great laugh for everyone. Not because they hate Tony Alamo. Actually it interest them who this guy is.quite the contrary, its the far out, hateful, off the wall, lunacy you spew. One of my co workers refered to you NFLY as..."She rreminds me of one of those crazies you see walking down the sidewalk talking to themselves and screaming random things out at people as they pass by" ...Bet your family would be SO imbarrassed if they read some of the stuff that you wrote in teh earlier post,Talking about mainly you NFLY. The hatefulness sticks out like a sore thunb. Im not talking about when you start quoting the Bible, or even twisting the words that the Bible says....Please go back and re read the hate you typed... Where did the raging homosexual come from? That was random????? Did that blind hateful, resentful Tony Alamo tell you to type that? Im sure your gonna tell me the Bible says Let no man put himself upon another man. Ok Great. Answer me this...... Did Adam and Eve hae belly buttons? In the Bible it says he created the first man and the first woman. So who cut the ambilical cord? Will you ask Tony that...Oh and since your so wise, and knowlegable willyou ask Tony how people could live 8 or 9 hundred years back then... K ...thats all for now. will you please address all the issues that are in this post please.....(For once) |
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Rattlesnake,
To answer your question, yes I would die for my child. She is my pride and joy. I will not let anything or anyone hurt my child. |
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Cross: I have no doubt about that. I think you are a very brave and strong person and just hang in there, don't let negative people drag you down, it is not worth it. You are a survivor and should be very proud of it. God bless. |
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tl 5th AMEN!!! That is what I am talking about. the goodness of reaching out to those who hunger for the Word of God. Reaching out to those who can't afford not only Bibles but the necessities of life i.e. food, clothing,etc.. Cross thinks I am full of hate and a Tony worshipper. That is so not true!!! Tony has never given me orders to beat a child or any such thing. If he did, I absolutely would not do it. I am not a zombie. I can think for myself and make decisions. God gave us a free will. I know that Tony can't think for me and he does not control anything I do or say. The ministry is about reaching out to souls. That is all I ever wanted. I did not grow up in the church. I came to the church as a young adult. I also had my share of abuse and heartache. I don't whine and cry about it, because thank God, He delivered me and to keep crying about it shows that I am not glorifying God. Thank you for posting messages that show the good and positive things. That is what people need to know. Lord Bless
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irish_jedi (irish_jedi)
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cross susie broderick said u never took care of your kids in the church... so why play mommy now?????? |
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Irish Jedi
How would she know? She never lived with me. And how in the world would she make that accusation when she never tried to talk with me. She always acted stuck up just like the other Sister's there. Susie has no clue as to who I am either.
And you can consider yourself ignored too.
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double j-....just because u leave the church does not mean u are going to hell.. its up to every person to make there own choice of judgement.and alot of people who did find GOD and left the church went back to thier old ways and some even worse..thats once again each individuals choice. but a person who lives thier lives knowing the truth and do not do it it will be worse for them in hell. because the truth will never change. |
irish_jedi (irish_jedi)
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i havent been part of the church for years... so once again u ARE WRONG. |
rattlesnake (rattlesnake)
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explain the same ip address... jedi |
nfly (nfly)
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Rattlesnake, I don't think Tony is the next best thing to God. That would be insane!! How is Tony destroying lives? If every person makes his/her own decisions? Do you believe that Tony destroyed your life? Cross, says her life is hell. She has severe emotional issues from things that stemmed from her past. God wipes that all away once you are saved. He makes us victorious when we trust in Him and give Him all of our burdens. She needs faith! It does no good to blame Tony or anyone else for the tragedy that took place in her life. Our eyes are not supposed to be on Tony. Our eyes are supposed to be on the Lord. |
nfly (nfly)
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double j please take your own advice, go back and read your old posts. Who is full of hatred? I shouldn't even waste my time answering your posts because you are the one who spews out hatred. As for the "raging homosexual" comment... you have a very contentious attitude just like one. As for your Bible questions and any other questions you have for Tony, why don't you be a man and go to his website and e-mail him? ASK YOUR OWN QUESTIONS! I am not in the church. Oh... I am glad that you find it amusing that your friends read the posts. Good for you. |
irish_jedi (irish_jedi)
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rattlesnake, nfly is kind enough to let me use the computer so that I can share my comments with all of you |
irish_jedi (irish_jedi)
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Cross, I am sorry about the things that happened in your past. I hope that things will start happening for you soon. Please tell me what brought you to the church? Did you come w/ your husband? Did he leave because he wanted to? Why does he still support Tony? How long were you there? I am not judgeing you. You have an interesting testimony and being that I too was there I am sure we were there at the same time and I want to understand you |
skeptik (skeptik)
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Now that's what I'm talking about! Being willing to meet someone half way! I never thought I'd see you guys on the pro-Alamo side do that, but you have and it's doing my heart good! |
nfly (nfly)
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skeptic, Since when did I ever say that you can only be born again at the Foundation? I never made such a comment. Furthermore, I never said that you can only serve God in the Tony Alamo Foundation... that would be pretty hypocritical of me to say that, especially since I do not abide there. You are making things up again.. |
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I totally agree with some of what you said. But listen to what she has said and to what she has been through. No one can just brush that aside and get over it. It is easy to say when you have not walked in her shoes. But do you not think it is more Christian to offer encouragement than to offer criticism. NO, my life is not destroyed but then I am my own person and I would never let anyone destroy me. Not everyone is that strong. She is not blaming Tony for every bad thing that has happened to her. Only for the part he played in it while she was involved and the influence on her husband now. I don't think her life is destroyed either. I don't think it is really hell but things are just not great right now. That happens to people. Just because you are a Christian does not mean you are immune to ever having bad things happen in your life. She has survived a lot in her life and if she did not have faith she would have given up on God by now. But hurting her more and putting her down is not very God-like. She has every right to react to her own experiences, be it at the hands of Tony or someone else. Do you and jedi really think that the way you have treated her on this board is how God would treat her?
Not to offend you or anything like that but Tony and some of his people did do and orchestrate some terrible things and there are plenty of witnesses to that fact. He went to jail for several years for some of his crimes. No one can deny that. Maybe some of the things he did were good and maybe his intentions started out in the right place but laws were broken and bad things happened. And yes, people do make their own decisions but sometimes wrong decisions are made, not willingly but out of fear or due to brainwashing or manipulation. Many decisions are made in life that are later regretted. You have to look at the whole picture.
So if you really want people to see you as a Christian person, then please... let's see some of that demonstrated on this site. Right now there are only tiny little glimpses here and there but the majority of it has not been very nice. Show some empathy and some good christian compassion. |
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But NFLY, that applies to you too. I'm willing to meet you in the middle here. No jive, no games. I'm cool with you, you be cool with me. Whaddaya think? |
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Finally, we can have a decent conversation. I do believe that I am very misunderstood on this message board. I am not here to condemn anyone. That is not my job. You have had your experiences and I have had mine. Why they are so very different I DO NOT KNOW!
Rattlesnake, I do not deny that being a Christian makes you immune to hard times. I believe that God allows hard times (just as He did w/ Job) to test our faith, loyalty, and to make us stronger. God wants and needs us to be strong so that we can help those who are not able to help themselves. By the way WHAT IS BRAINWASHING? No one certainly brainwashed me. I could tell if people were sincere or not. Not once did I say that every single person in the church is "godly" I do know that there are a lot of good people there. Tony's purpose in life is not to destroy people's lives. He is not asking for the world to move in and be part of the foundation. He is asking the world to receive Salvation before they go to meet God. I believe that is what God wants. For me to be there and see his efforts and see all of his dedication I have not one evil thing to say about that. I would be very wrong to do such a thing. I don't know what your personal experience was while you were there, but mine was wonderful. As for people like Streit etc... well like I always say... if you have a bag of apples there will always be a rotten one. But no one goes unpunished. |
cross301973 (cross301973)
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Irish Jedi,
Susie has no clue how I was with my child. She did not live anywhere near me. She is a busy body and Tony hates that. She never once tried to get to know me or talk with me. And her children even shunned my daughter. So that just goes to show how much she knows. And as for me playing mommy, I don't have to play I do my job as a parent.
(Message edited by cross301973 on October 28, 2005) |
cross301973 (cross301973)
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For everyone on this Board:
I am going to defend myself one last time. With all the trials I have been through I DO NOT blame "Tony Alamo" for anything that I have gone through.
As for NFLY, this person has no clue what they are talking about regarding me. Unless of course they can read my mind, which they can't.
Rattlesnake is right. How come if I did not have faith did I come through the fire as I have done? I have more faith than anyone will ever know. I was brought off my death bed BY GOD from one of those accidents. I don't dwell on my experiences I learn from them. And I use what I have learned to help people.
So UNLESS you are GOD do not worry about how much faith I have or do not have. My eyes are on the LORD. I have picked up my cross and I am bearing it everyday.
(Message edited by cross301973 on October 28, 2005) |
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irish_jedi
As for what brought me to the church, it was my husband. I did go into the church, but two weeks after my husband did. I have my own reasons for not going when he did. My husband left for reasons I still do not understand. My own personal thought on that, I really do not know why he still supports Tony. I was there long enough to know that it was not where I was supposed to be.
God deals with each person individually. And I know that I do not have to answer to anyone but GOD for my actions. I've seen more backbiting, talebearing, and more busybodies than I care to dicuss.
Rattlesnake is right again, when he says that people need to heal, not have salt poured in their wounds. And to judge me as NFLY has that is definitely not a Christian thing to do.
I have no clue if you were there when I was, because I am still too scared to reveal who I am. But I do know that when I was there it did not seem right to me that husband and wife were not allowed to ride to church together. Or that you had to put a childs life in a MAN's hands instead of doing what God wanted you to do in the first place.
As I have said to one of my in-laws, you do not have to go through someone to get advice from GOD. When you are SUPPOSED to take your burdens to the LORD. And thats the way I viewed things at the church.
You have to call Tony for everything.
Tony dictates what you can have and what you can't have.
Tony judges everyone.
To me that is not right. He is playing with people's lives. That is not right. And I feel that if it was not for GOD and MY FAITH IN GOD that I would still be there.
Call me demonic if you want to I DON'T CARE anymore. When I die, I know I will be judged by my actions whether they be right or whether they be wrong.
This is my final post to you. I am not going to defend my beliefs anymore to anyone. I am not going to let the "Alamo" believer's/followers dictate to me what should or should not be in my heart or my mind. I LEAVE THAT FOR GOD TO DECIDE.
Have a nice day! and GOD BLESS ALL THOSE WHO USE THEIR OWN BRAINS THAT GOD GAVE THEM TO KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG.
(Message edited by cross301973 on October 13, 2005)
(Message edited by cross301973 on October 28, 2005) |
nfly (nfly)
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cross, you are 100 percent right about Susie Broderick. She has always been that way. Not just her but many others. I personally stayed away from that little group. I am not judging you or anyone else. I just don't want you to be bitter. No one is calling you demonic and no one is condemning you. There are a lot of sincere people that did happen to find thier salvation by way of the church... I happen to be one of them. I do think for myself but I will follow good instruction from someone who fears God (not man) and keeps His commandments.
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Irish Jedi,
I am curious. I have been re-reading my posts and everyone else's. What have I said that makes you think that you were there when I was? |
irish_jedi (irish_jedi)
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cross, are your initials L.G.? Did you help work on tracts? |
cross301973 (cross301973)
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Irish Jedi
No, they aren't sorry. |
irish_jedi (irish_jedi)
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cross,
I was just curious. I am not trying to give you a hard time or anything. Just conversation. I am not here to condemn you for leaving. That is not my purpose to anyone I must admit though... I am very suprised that your husband allows you on this message board. |
rattlesnake (rattlesnake)
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Why would she need her husband's permission to go on this board. Seems to me that she is a big girl and can make her own decisions. Blows me away when people think men should control their women. If I had a woman who needed me to tell her what she could or could not do I would have a hard time respecting that. Even if he does not agree with her opinion, men should not be controlling. |
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Rattlesnake
Thank you for saying that. That was going to be the next thing I posted but you beat me too it. |
irish_jedi (irish_jedi)
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Cross,
I was not implying that you need your husbands permission. I said that I would be suprised if he allowed you on this message board.
I know now (by your testimony) that i did not meet you. I may know your husband though. I personally did not experience such things, but maybe it is because i moved around a lot and maybe things have changed. I left in 2002. |
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