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Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 3:48 pm: | 
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The truth behind signs offering wealth
Most of the illegal 'work from home' placards nailed up across the borough lead to 'pyramid' sales companies
Sunday, February 24, 2002
By FRANK WILLIAMS
ADVANCE STAFF WRITER
Feeding off the American dream of getting rich quick and easy, a myriad of "work-at-home" signs have been popping up on telephone poles across Staten Island.
The signs, which advertise a slew of Web sites and toll-free numbers, offer the opportunity to make at least $1,500 a month for part-time work and up to $5,000 for full-time.
So what kind of job will put that much cash in your pocket? And why do so many people want you to take advantage of this alleged business opportunity?
Most of the placards lead callers and Web surfers to Herbalife International, a global multi-level marketing (MLM) company raking in about $2 billion a year.
Herbalife runs much like Amway, the grandfather of all MLMs, and other so-called pyramid systems such as Tupperware, Shaklee and Nu Skin.
According to its Web site, local Herbalife distributors sell marketing lessons and its products to new prospects, who in turn sell the products to others to earn cash.
Each new prospect recruited by a distributor becomes part of the distributor's "downline" and earns commissions from the new prospect's sales. The new prospect, in turn, then becomes a distributor by recruiting others. Commissions are earned by each link of the downline. Most MLMs work in a similar way.
The problem, according to some anti-MLM Web sites, is that the system is designed to fail.
In order to earn commissions for several generations of distributors, the prices of many products sold through MLMs are often far higher than what a consumer can pay on the open market. To keep recruiting new prospects in a continually expanding network, distributors have to make a pitch to everyone they meet: friends, family and eventually friends of friends and so on.
Eventually, the balloon has to break and someone is left with loads of the product he or she is unable to sell.
Found at: http://www.silive.com/news/advance/ |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 12:49 pm: |
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I have been in these kinds of companies and I for one do not fill that herbalife is a bad company, it has some awsome products.. My father was in the business for 15 years and did great.. you don't have to order anything you don't want to. If you don't use it or you can't sale it don't buy it.. Now amway has their people buying at least 200.00 a month to keep a certain status of making 3% now that sounds like to me the make money off their own people. the whole point is supposed to be for you to get someone else to buy your products and to pitch the business opp. if you get a chance. I am a distributor in a company called omnitrition, I do not sale their products anymore but I do take them. I'm still at a 40% discount after 7 years. I do pay a renewal free every year but that's find it's only $40.00 and to keep my discount it is well worth it. I still use their products because they are great!! but I'm not pressured to sell them from nobody.. I do not have to make a purchase to keep my 40% either.
Im not sure how Herbalife works any more but their products speak for them self... Also omni products are about the same price as vitamins sold at GMC they are not over priced and are of good quality.. This is my opinion. |
A. Schmidt
| | Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 3:24 pm: |
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I joined Herbalife some time ago. At the beginning i was pretty sad because it didn't work out that well. Than my supervisor explained the whole system to me step by step. It took me three month to receive my first BIG check of $5.000. It realy works if you put your mind into it and if you have the right person to teach and lead you! |
Bud P
| | Posted on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 8:00 pm: |
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n2k
| | Posted on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 5:13 pm: |
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I was in Amway, but didn't like the sales tactic
I joined netowrker2000.com and finally go the cash flow, anyone know about web sites etc they seem hot now a days. herbalife was a joke to me |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 6:01 pm: |
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Amway was awful. I am so embarrased that I fell for that scam, that I won't talk to certain friends that Amway insisted we *show the plan* to first. |
Dairy
| | Posted on Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 10:20 pm: |
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Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2003 - 5:36 pm: |
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Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 9:07 pm: |
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Yep. I was introduced to Amway/Quixtar at my old church, and it was a scam. I saw it for what it was, and never got involved. |
betty bode
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2003 - 9:10 pm: |
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I am an ex-employee of Amway Distribution Center, with them for 27 years and I can tell all you all you want to know. I was fired for getting injured on the job. I had to fight for four years for my worker's compensation and had to go to a jury trial. All upper management lied on the stand. The 12 jurors seen through them. Ask the questions and I will tell all. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 6:04 pm: |
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Oh so you were actually PAID to do your work for amway. LOL I'm just kidding. We showed the plan and made fools out of ourselves in front of all our family and friends. It was awful. My upline insisted that we have him call every person in our address book and set up a time to show the plan to them. We were encouraged to buy all our products from amway regardless of cost because it was investing in our company/future. and all the meetings and get togethers. It was all consuming. Tell me more Betty. |
Gary Stevens
| | Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2003 - 10:04 am: |
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It's a shame that the people who couldn't cut the mustard call mlm opportunities a scam. I have been involved with four different mlms over the last ten years and only one went belly up. That doesn't make it a scam, it just failed. For example Delta Airlines wasn't a scam, they just went out of business. My second mlm, i quit because it was just too hard to make money. My third mlm, i was with for 8 years and made over $600,000 and the only reason i left them was because i found a better opportunity. I am now with my fourth mlm and am confident that i will make a lot of money with this one as well.. Network marketing or MLM is just a vehicle to make extra income. It's a shame that people who can't cut the mustard in business have to blame everyone but themselves for their failure. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 5:51 pm: |
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http://www.whatisgood.com/MLMvsNPSvsVegas-Where'sTheHarm_files/MLMvsNPSvsVegas-Where'sTheHarm-vert.htm
Check this chart out showing how little the average person in an mlm makes.
Still so smug Gary? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 11:14 am: |
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I just have to say that this is bussiness
now. It has greatly inlightened me as a
bussiness woman. Terry, you have found the
best way to make investing easy.
As a single mother I KNOW how hard
it truely is.
THANK YOU
You are a BLESSING |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 2:17 am: |
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Quixtar IBO cell works much like a virus. It goes to differeent environemnt to attack healthy cell. It suck away, all the nutrients inside and try to clone the healthy cell into another virus. If the cloening, process complete, this virus will moved on to do the same copying process. If the clonning process failed, this healthy cell will be dump as garbage.
How does the IBO virus attack healthy cell? Every cell has a dream to grow faster and bigger, that's how the IBO virus tricked the healthy cell to attack. During the sucking process, healthy cell will feel so happy and buying all the expensive products and thinking it's better and cheaper. Once no more nutrients left, healthy cell will turn into a virus too; however, due to critical thinking skill, most of the healthy cell will have immune system to fight the clonning process.
Critical thinking is the killer and healer for Quixtar virus.
That's why IBO have to go to meeting 3 ~ 4 times a week to get brain washed.
I think therefore I am. If I stop thinking, I will become an Quixtar Virus.
comment feedback please send to:
ysub2001@yahoo.com |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 9:30 pm: |
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A lot of these messages on here are just advertisement for other scams like amway and need to be deleted by the administrator. This forum needs to be for those who have dealt with amway directly. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 7:59 pm: |
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ALL OF this mess is a bunch of Crap!!! When is the last time Terry Harris traded?? When Jesus walked the earth. Don't mean to bad mouth but Networker2000, is NetBroke2000. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 11:34 pm: |
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please I need help my girlfriend has gotten involved into team of destiny some company that uses quixtar as a supplier. She doesn't even realize that quixtar is amway or that team of destiny is just an extension of amway. We fight about it she's convinced I don't support her in what shes doing and wants me to go to a meeting and seminar. Iwon't be swayed but how do I get her out of this please help me |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, November 14, 2003 - 9:44 am: |
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Do some searches under google for Amway, Quixtar and Amway-Scam, Quixtar-scam, then gather some facts and present them to her. The statistics and stories about how much of a scam it all is are incredible. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 3:50 pm: |
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RUN FAST FROM NETWORKER2000.com They suck, commisssion checks bounced, and Investment club only paid back 50% of what you initially put in. LOOSERS... Bunch of African Americans running it, who are trying to scam people. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 5:51 pm: |
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Wow no kidding, that's insane! How long were you with them? Admin really needs to clean up this discussion and remove the advertisements. I have only heard of Networker2000 from this site. Tell me more. How did you get involved? |
blessd2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 8:56 pm: |
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I'll make one comment in return to Anonymous dated 12-6 3:50PM. It sounds like he has a problem with African Americans and it jsut aiming that problem at Networker2000. Too bad for him on both accounts, I am in it and my sponsor is retiring this month from how successful he has done in it in only three months. And a good friend of mines cousin just bought a Lincoln Navigator from two months of income off of what he learned about optin trading. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 11:18 am: |
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I just heard of Networker2000 and am trying to learn as much as I can about how it works. Blessed2000 how long have you been in it. It seems viable but I would like to learn more. Why is your sponsor retiring so quickly after joining? |
Daysleepin
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2004 - 12:11 am: |
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I went to one of them house meetings that a friend had invited me too. For the longest time they remained silent about what the product even was?
Than when the words Amway did come out that was only a small part of what they were really selling.
For what they were really pushing were %5,000 dollar supervisor type positions. There reasoning was that the product was not important.
But rather the thing of importances was selling the same things to in a sense victimize my own friends and family. To this I resisted.The whole thing sounded like a pyramid scheme to me.
Than they started the blame game by pointing the finger at me. Saying that my budddie Roger would never make diamond. And again that would be all my fault. To this I said What? What is a diamond anyway? As I recall they said it was a reward that was paid for by Amway. Some sort of free ocean vacation on a big ship of some.
sort.
I am like gee whiz, I can understand that you people have never seen the movie Titanic.
And seriously I don't want to ruin it for you but the ship sinks.
I mean dad gum if I wanted to be on a ship I would have joined the navy.
They also said that low pricing of product was not important. Since what was really happening was I was investing in my future. And I again Stood my ground and resisted. Saying to them that you mean to tell me I by myself could have ruined Sam Walton. Again without help from any one?
Again I found that hard to believe.
But rather than confront the issue they went to rambleling about the Bankrupt Social Security system and how it was not going to be there when I retired.
Ya know, I really think what really pissed them off the most was the fact I really had the money at the time.
But at the time in 1992 I had already doubled the amount I had in less than two years. But at the time I saw no reason to sell. You see it was in Walmart stock at the time. (WMT)
Several years later a coworker named Larry tried the same old praddle:
Want to make money?
just two hours a month.
All I need do is show up for some party
Again he too was tight liped about he product.
So I asked: IS it multie level marketing?
To this he responded: NO
I said: GOOD Because I want NOTHING to do with that G,D,F,ing AMWAY. and whats the address?
To this he responded: NEVER MIND |
Daysleepin
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2004 - 11:45 am: |
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I can't edit above. So let me refrase my question above:
How do Amway prices on E-bay compare with street price'es in the hood???? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 3:38 pm: |
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I just got into networker2000 three days ago and
i would like help from somebody .
Helping me to find 3 people or if you in it give me some advice.
here my website:networker2000.com/131469.
Thank you. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 11:04 am: |
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Yeah I went to my friends, friends house for some "millionaire seminar" and when i got there it was so predictable. everyone gets up and introduces themselves in a cult like way and they try to get you pumped up with money like "what kind of car would you like if "this person" had all this money. I mean if these people were so rich why did they drive a pos car and looked like they cant afford clothes then they tried to compare theirselves to microsoft |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 4:40 pm: |
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Because it is a scam and this board is being used for their advertisements. How unfortunate that administration allows this abuse to happen. |
daysleepin
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 8:45 pm: |
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I could not agree more these cult people seem to have a Kobe Bryant attitude that says NO always means yes. |
Yaakov
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 8:35 pm: |
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Not necessarily a cult attitude. It is the Art of Selling, which is overcoming objections. For a while, I sold vacuum cleaners door to door. We were trained how to overcome objections.
The one objection that can not be overcome is a flat NO with no explanations. A salesperson will try to get an explanation from you. Don't provide one, just keep responding with NO. Avoid explanations or attempts to be "nice" if the salesperson is "pushy". |
daysleepin
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 1:45 am: |
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Dad gum
That reminds me of what happened to me at Dub Richardson Ford
on 39th and North May Ave in Oklahoma City awhile back.
Years ago the building used to have two distinct rooms that were separated by a wall
from each other. One room was the show room of new cars and the other was the parts department.
Well, they have taken down the wall between them and I unfortunately found out why? The reason is so they can have sales people hover over you like attack helicopters.
Anyway, there must have been 10 or more people a head of me in the parts line. (Only one guy worked the parts counter that day). This was when a sales man started rattling his prattle about new cars. I caught him asking everyone a head if they would like to test drive blah, blah. But when he got to me he me I said "I was not interested". Than he made the mistake of asking Why not? To this I nicely said I don't want the payments.
Again he started his scripted prattle and Again I said "I just kept shaking my head No.
He kept on and I again reiterated that I was there for parts only and did not want payments.
to this he said in a very non sarcastic and nice way "Sir we have been over that"
This was when I blew my top and said shouting.
"NO sh*t SURE LOCK WHAT DID YOU MISS"????
Now understand I said this so loudly that I could be heard on both the east and west coasts.
Then he started to double up his fists and shouted back that his name was not Sure lock.
Than I yelled back at him "Oh yea Than what is your NAME MR. HIGH PRESSURE SALESMAN?
At about that same moment another sales man came running to his rescue. Saying "Uh Bob it does not work every time" That's when I yelled at the new salesmen saying "Oh You must be the closer" And this is one of those good guy bad guy routines. At any rate.
This was when some but not all of the people in the parts line started to applaud. This also was when the more recently arriving salesperson finally muttered something to the first one about having me thrown off the premises. However, he also told his friend that they could both be fired.
He then wisely backed away taking his friend with him muttering something about me changing my mind.
The other yelled back at me shouting at me saying "YOU NEED HELP" and I replied back "DUH that's why I put my number on the states DO CALL LIST". I further blasted back at him that he had better not forget it either, when he gets back to his telemarketing cubicle. Otherwise Attorney General may just give me the help I need in nailing this boiler room to the wall.
One thing is for sure when his buddy came running out to save him and said " Uh Bob it does not always work"
This proved to me he had an agenda and it had NOTHING TO DO WITH MY NEEDS. I found being nice does nothing but waste time. Its only by laying down my agenda as job one can I successfully repel such people.
Oh and on the Vacuum cleaner thing. I know I had a Kirby guy almost had his jaw hit the ground when I showed him the Kirby prices on Ebay. In his Script after demonstrating the product he asked what I liked best about it?
That was when I complained it was certainly not the 200 dollar prices on Ebay. I felt that was entirely to high
Why shoot I could get a shop vac for 50 buck on ebay and if a friend or neighbor barrowed it and did not bring it back who would care? Plus it would hold ten gallons of water and it can be use as a leaf blower. |
TerryHarry
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 7:01 pm: |
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NetLoser2000 Still has not re-imbursed me for bounced commission checks from Sept-Oct-Nov PLUS the bank fees.
EVERYTHING THEY TEACH IS ONLINE FOR FREE.
Options- Covered Calls etc you can do this on your own if you just look.
THEY SUCK, BEEN in it 2 years and all I have heard is excuses. STAY AWAY FROM THEM. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 10:52 pm: |
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One of my friends is into Quixtar and he says that he made $65,000 last year in his "business." But, that can't be right. Less than one percent of people in these multilevel scams make more than $1,000 a month according to my research.
Do any of you have links to articles or web site devoted to exposing how stupid these scams are? I need more hard evidence to show what a waste of time these are. -- Gary in Seattle |
Daysleepin
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 2:06 pm: |
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If he is really a friend than he won't mind letting you look at his 1040 tax form just before it's dropped in the mailbox.
From the so called friends I have known?
That never happens. Hence, the whole thing is nothing more than a CON GAME anyway.
So to all those that still believe just send me your money. In return you'll have a nice day.
LOL.
In the mean time people THINK for yourself.
Atleast, don't be paying the high prices of your uplink. Heck give EBAY a price check.
Dam, I don;t mean to sound like a commercial.
But My Momma told me "You'd better shop around". |
Anonymous
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I recently attended a TOD meeting for the first time. Within in the first 5 min, I felt as if I was attending a cult meeting. The fact that anyone would give these people a cent is beyond me. The fact that I gave them my time-which they supposedly view as being so precious-is enough to make me lose sleep over. My boyfriend had been invited by someone he knew, and he thought he would check it out. He invited me along for the ride. Worst part about it was, I was so horribly disgusted, and he thought it was a great idea. He proceeded to attened two "follow up" meetings without me, which I didn't say a word about, and had all of a sudden decided to do this thing. When I attempted to discuss it with him, he didn't want to listen to anything I had to say. It was as if he had been brainwashed. Everything I said to him, he responded to with something they had told him. "I'm not selling anything." OH PLEASE! If you aren't selling something then why do you have to convince other people to spend their money on this in order for you to really make some money???? Worst part about this whole thing... I am 19 years old, and even I can see this!!! There were people 2-3 times my age at this meeting just wasting their time and money. They dont have money, so they are at these meetings trying to get money. Did they ever think about the fact that they probably don't have money because they make stupid decisions without thinking things through. Hmmmm...like giving the TOD their money! What a bunch of morons. Someone needs to do something about this soon. I almost feel bad for those poor unintelligent people wasting away their money because they don't know how to do their homework. I think this site is the best thing i have found on this company! Thank you, and keep up the good work! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 5:54 pm: |
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What is TOD? I'm not familiar with this term. Thanks. :-) |
Anonymous
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TOD is Team of Destiny and is related to Quixtar. They want you to join and have you friends join and change your buying habits. Instead of going to a Wal Mart, just order it off the internet and get paid. This is all a bunch of crap. They are not selling anything they are loading up on items they don't need every month just trying to get a bonus check.
My bestfriend is in TOD and he is completely brainwashed. I went to one of his meetings after he was in the business for three months and he guranteed he would be a millioniare in less than two years and have all of these houses. But what was interesting to me was that he has not made a dime, but keeps saying he is making money. I was in a company called Equinox, that is currently in court, and always told people I was making money until the day that I had lost over $10,000 in a year. Fake it till you make it, thats the slogan.
Stay away if at all possible! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 8:21 pm: |
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Still no commission check from Networker2000
They bounced 3 of them, still have not been paid.
They suck.
I have never seen so many crooks working one business
Stay away from Netloser2000,
your money will be glad you did |
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