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Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 3:48 pm: | 
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The truth behind signs offering wealth
Most of the illegal 'work from home' placards nailed up across the borough lead to 'pyramid' sales companies
Sunday, February 24, 2002
By FRANK WILLIAMS
ADVANCE STAFF WRITER
Feeding off the American dream of getting rich quick and easy, a myriad of "work-at-home" signs have been popping up on telephone poles across Staten Island.
The signs, which advertise a slew of Web sites and toll-free numbers, offer the opportunity to make at least $1,500 a month for part-time work and up to $5,000 for full-time.
So what kind of job will put that much cash in your pocket? And why do so many people want you to take advantage of this alleged business opportunity?
Most of the placards lead callers and Web surfers to Herbalife International, a global multi-level marketing (MLM) company raking in about $2 billion a year.
Herbalife runs much like Amway, the grandfather of all MLMs, and other so-called pyramid systems such as Tupperware, Shaklee and Nu Skin.
According to its Web site, local Herbalife distributors sell marketing lessons and its products to new prospects, who in turn sell the products to others to earn cash.
Each new prospect recruited by a distributor becomes part of the distributor's "downline" and earns commissions from the new prospect's sales. The new prospect, in turn, then becomes a distributor by recruiting others. Commissions are earned by each link of the downline. Most MLMs work in a similar way.
The problem, according to some anti-MLM Web sites, is that the system is designed to fail.
In order to earn commissions for several generations of distributors, the prices of many products sold through MLMs are often far higher than what a consumer can pay on the open market. To keep recruiting new prospects in a continually expanding network, distributors have to make a pitch to everyone they meet: friends, family and eventually friends of friends and so on.
Eventually, the balloon has to break and someone is left with loads of the product he or she is unable to sell.
Found at: http://www.silive.com/news/advance/ |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 12:49 pm: |
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I have been in these kinds of companies and I for one do not fill that herbalife is a bad company, it has some awsome products.. My father was in the business for 15 years and did great.. you don't have to order anything you don't want to. If you don't use it or you can't sale it don't buy it.. Now amway has their people buying at least 200.00 a month to keep a certain status of making 3% now that sounds like to me the make money off their own people. the whole point is supposed to be for you to get someone else to buy your products and to pitch the business opp. if you get a chance. I am a distributor in a company called omnitrition, I do not sale their products anymore but I do take them. I'm still at a 40% discount after 7 years. I do pay a renewal free every year but that's find it's only $40.00 and to keep my discount it is well worth it. I still use their products because they are great!! but I'm not pressured to sell them from nobody.. I do not have to make a purchase to keep my 40% either.
Im not sure how Herbalife works any more but their products speak for them self... Also omni products are about the same price as vitamins sold at GMC they are not over priced and are of good quality.. This is my opinion. |
A. Schmidt
| | Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 3:24 pm: |
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I joined Herbalife some time ago. At the beginning i was pretty sad because it didn't work out that well. Than my supervisor explained the whole system to me step by step. It took me three month to receive my first BIG check of $5.000. It realy works if you put your mind into it and if you have the right person to teach and lead you! |
Bud P
| | Posted on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 8:00 pm: |
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n2k
| | Posted on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 5:13 pm: |
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I was in Amway, but didn't like the sales tactic
I joined netowrker2000.com and finally go the cash flow, anyone know about web sites etc they seem hot now a days. herbalife was a joke to me |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 6:01 pm: |
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Amway was awful. I am so embarrased that I fell for that scam, that I won't talk to certain friends that Amway insisted we *show the plan* to first. |
Dairy
| | Posted on Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 10:20 pm: |
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Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2003 - 5:36 pm: |
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Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 9:07 pm: |
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Yep. I was introduced to Amway/Quixtar at my old church, and it was a scam. I saw it for what it was, and never got involved. |
betty bode
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2003 - 9:10 pm: |
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I am an ex-employee of Amway Distribution Center, with them for 27 years and I can tell all you all you want to know. I was fired for getting injured on the job. I had to fight for four years for my worker's compensation and had to go to a jury trial. All upper management lied on the stand. The 12 jurors seen through them. Ask the questions and I will tell all. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 6:04 pm: |
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Oh so you were actually PAID to do your work for amway. LOL I'm just kidding. We showed the plan and made fools out of ourselves in front of all our family and friends. It was awful. My upline insisted that we have him call every person in our address book and set up a time to show the plan to them. We were encouraged to buy all our products from amway regardless of cost because it was investing in our company/future. and all the meetings and get togethers. It was all consuming. Tell me more Betty. |
Gary Stevens
| | Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2003 - 10:04 am: |
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It's a shame that the people who couldn't cut the mustard call mlm opportunities a scam. I have been involved with four different mlms over the last ten years and only one went belly up. That doesn't make it a scam, it just failed. For example Delta Airlines wasn't a scam, they just went out of business. My second mlm, i quit because it was just too hard to make money. My third mlm, i was with for 8 years and made over $600,000 and the only reason i left them was because i found a better opportunity. I am now with my fourth mlm and am confident that i will make a lot of money with this one as well.. Network marketing or MLM is just a vehicle to make extra income. It's a shame that people who can't cut the mustard in business have to blame everyone but themselves for their failure. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 5:51 pm: |
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http://www.whatisgood.com/MLMvsNPSvsVegas-Where'sTheHarm_files/MLMvsNPSvsVegas-Where'sTheHarm-vert.htm
Check this chart out showing how little the average person in an mlm makes.
Still so smug Gary? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 11:14 am: |
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I just have to say that this is bussiness
now. It has greatly inlightened me as a
bussiness woman. Terry, you have found the
best way to make investing easy.
As a single mother I KNOW how hard
it truely is.
THANK YOU
You are a BLESSING |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 2:17 am: |
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Quixtar IBO cell works much like a virus. It goes to differeent environemnt to attack healthy cell. It suck away, all the nutrients inside and try to clone the healthy cell into another virus. If the cloening, process complete, this virus will moved on to do the same copying process. If the clonning process failed, this healthy cell will be dump as garbage.
How does the IBO virus attack healthy cell? Every cell has a dream to grow faster and bigger, that's how the IBO virus tricked the healthy cell to attack. During the sucking process, healthy cell will feel so happy and buying all the expensive products and thinking it's better and cheaper. Once no more nutrients left, healthy cell will turn into a virus too; however, due to critical thinking skill, most of the healthy cell will have immune system to fight the clonning process.
Critical thinking is the killer and healer for Quixtar virus.
That's why IBO have to go to meeting 3 ~ 4 times a week to get brain washed.
I think therefore I am. If I stop thinking, I will become an Quixtar Virus.
comment feedback please send to:
ysub2001@yahoo.com |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 9:30 pm: |
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A lot of these messages on here are just advertisement for other scams like amway and need to be deleted by the administrator. This forum needs to be for those who have dealt with amway directly. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 7:59 pm: |
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ALL OF this mess is a bunch of Crap!!! When is the last time Terry Harris traded?? When Jesus walked the earth. Don't mean to bad mouth but Networker2000, is NetBroke2000. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 11:34 pm: |
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please I need help my girlfriend has gotten involved into team of destiny some company that uses quixtar as a supplier. She doesn't even realize that quixtar is amway or that team of destiny is just an extension of amway. We fight about it she's convinced I don't support her in what shes doing and wants me to go to a meeting and seminar. Iwon't be swayed but how do I get her out of this please help me |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, November 14, 2003 - 9:44 am: |
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Do some searches under google for Amway, Quixtar and Amway-Scam, Quixtar-scam, then gather some facts and present them to her. The statistics and stories about how much of a scam it all is are incredible. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 3:50 pm: |
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RUN FAST FROM NETWORKER2000.com They suck, commisssion checks bounced, and Investment club only paid back 50% of what you initially put in. LOOSERS... Bunch of African Americans running it, who are trying to scam people. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 5:51 pm: |
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Wow no kidding, that's insane! How long were you with them? Admin really needs to clean up this discussion and remove the advertisements. I have only heard of Networker2000 from this site. Tell me more. How did you get involved? |
blessd2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 8:56 pm: |
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I'll make one comment in return to Anonymous dated 12-6 3:50PM. It sounds like he has a problem with African Americans and it jsut aiming that problem at Networker2000. Too bad for him on both accounts, I am in it and my sponsor is retiring this month from how successful he has done in it in only three months. And a good friend of mines cousin just bought a Lincoln Navigator from two months of income off of what he learned about optin trading. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 11:18 am: |
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I just heard of Networker2000 and am trying to learn as much as I can about how it works. Blessed2000 how long have you been in it. It seems viable but I would like to learn more. Why is your sponsor retiring so quickly after joining? |
Daysleepin
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2004 - 12:11 am: |
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I went to one of them house meetings that a friend had invited me too. For the longest time they remained silent about what the product even was?
Than when the words Amway did come out that was only a small part of what they were really selling.
For what they were really pushing were %5,000 dollar supervisor type positions. There reasoning was that the product was not important.
But rather the thing of importances was selling the same things to in a sense victimize my own friends and family. To this I resisted.The whole thing sounded like a pyramid scheme to me.
Than they started the blame game by pointing the finger at me. Saying that my budddie Roger would never make diamond. And again that would be all my fault. To this I said What? What is a diamond anyway? As I recall they said it was a reward that was paid for by Amway. Some sort of free ocean vacation on a big ship of some.
sort.
I am like gee whiz, I can understand that you people have never seen the movie Titanic.
And seriously I don't want to ruin it for you but the ship sinks.
I mean dad gum if I wanted to be on a ship I would have joined the navy.
They also said that low pricing of product was not important. Since what was really happening was I was investing in my future. And I again Stood my ground and resisted. Saying to them that you mean to tell me I by myself could have ruined Sam Walton. Again without help from any one?
Again I found that hard to believe.
But rather than confront the issue they went to rambleling about the Bankrupt Social Security system and how it was not going to be there when I retired.
Ya know, I really think what really pissed them off the most was the fact I really had the money at the time.
But at the time in 1992 I had already doubled the amount I had in less than two years. But at the time I saw no reason to sell. You see it was in Walmart stock at the time. (WMT)
Several years later a coworker named Larry tried the same old praddle:
Want to make money?
just two hours a month.
All I need do is show up for some party
Again he too was tight liped about he product.
So I asked: IS it multie level marketing?
To this he responded: NO
I said: GOOD Because I want NOTHING to do with that G,D,F,ing AMWAY. and whats the address?
To this he responded: NEVER MIND |
Daysleepin
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2004 - 11:45 am: |
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I can't edit above. So let me refrase my question above:
How do Amway prices on E-bay compare with street price'es in the hood???? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 3:38 pm: |
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I just got into networker2000 three days ago and
i would like help from somebody .
Helping me to find 3 people or if you in it give me some advice.
here my website:networker2000.com/131469.
Thank you. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 11:04 am: |
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Yeah I went to my friends, friends house for some "millionaire seminar" and when i got there it was so predictable. everyone gets up and introduces themselves in a cult like way and they try to get you pumped up with money like "what kind of car would you like if "this person" had all this money. I mean if these people were so rich why did they drive a pos car and looked like they cant afford clothes then they tried to compare theirselves to microsoft |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 4:40 pm: |
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Because it is a scam and this board is being used for their advertisements. How unfortunate that administration allows this abuse to happen. |
daysleepin
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 8:45 pm: |
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I could not agree more these cult people seem to have a Kobe Bryant attitude that says NO always means yes. |
Yaakov
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 8:35 pm: |
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Not necessarily a cult attitude. It is the Art of Selling, which is overcoming objections. For a while, I sold vacuum cleaners door to door. We were trained how to overcome objections.
The one objection that can not be overcome is a flat NO with no explanations. A salesperson will try to get an explanation from you. Don't provide one, just keep responding with NO. Avoid explanations or attempts to be "nice" if the salesperson is "pushy". |
daysleepin
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 1:45 am: |
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Dad gum
That reminds me of what happened to me at Dub Richardson Ford
on 39th and North May Ave in Oklahoma City awhile back.
Years ago the building used to have two distinct rooms that were separated by a wall
from each other. One room was the show room of new cars and the other was the parts department.
Well, they have taken down the wall between them and I unfortunately found out why? The reason is so they can have sales people hover over you like attack helicopters.
Anyway, there must have been 10 or more people a head of me in the parts line. (Only one guy worked the parts counter that day). This was when a sales man started rattling his prattle about new cars. I caught him asking everyone a head if they would like to test drive blah, blah. But when he got to me he me I said "I was not interested". Than he made the mistake of asking Why not? To this I nicely said I don't want the payments.
Again he started his scripted prattle and Again I said "I just kept shaking my head No.
He kept on and I again reiterated that I was there for parts only and did not want payments.
to this he said in a very non sarcastic and nice way "Sir we have been over that"
This was when I blew my top and said shouting.
"NO sh*t SURE LOCK WHAT DID YOU MISS"????
Now understand I said this so loudly that I could be heard on both the east and west coasts.
Then he started to double up his fists and shouted back that his name was not Sure lock.
Than I yelled back at him "Oh yea Than what is your NAME MR. HIGH PRESSURE SALESMAN?
At about that same moment another sales man came running to his rescue. Saying "Uh Bob it does not work every time" That's when I yelled at the new salesmen saying "Oh You must be the closer" And this is one of those good guy bad guy routines. At any rate.
This was when some but not all of the people in the parts line started to applaud. This also was when the more recently arriving salesperson finally muttered something to the first one about having me thrown off the premises. However, he also told his friend that they could both be fired.
He then wisely backed away taking his friend with him muttering something about me changing my mind.
The other yelled back at me shouting at me saying "YOU NEED HELP" and I replied back "DUH that's why I put my number on the states DO CALL LIST". I further blasted back at him that he had better not forget it either, when he gets back to his telemarketing cubicle. Otherwise Attorney General may just give me the help I need in nailing this boiler room to the wall.
One thing is for sure when his buddy came running out to save him and said " Uh Bob it does not always work"
This proved to me he had an agenda and it had NOTHING TO DO WITH MY NEEDS. I found being nice does nothing but waste time. Its only by laying down my agenda as job one can I successfully repel such people.
Oh and on the Vacuum cleaner thing. I know I had a Kirby guy almost had his jaw hit the ground when I showed him the Kirby prices on Ebay. In his Script after demonstrating the product he asked what I liked best about it?
That was when I complained it was certainly not the 200 dollar prices on Ebay. I felt that was entirely to high
Why shoot I could get a shop vac for 50 buck on ebay and if a friend or neighbor barrowed it and did not bring it back who would care? Plus it would hold ten gallons of water and it can be use as a leaf blower. |
TerryHarry
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 7:01 pm: |
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NetLoser2000 Still has not re-imbursed me for bounced commission checks from Sept-Oct-Nov PLUS the bank fees.
EVERYTHING THEY TEACH IS ONLINE FOR FREE.
Options- Covered Calls etc you can do this on your own if you just look.
THEY SUCK, BEEN in it 2 years and all I have heard is excuses. STAY AWAY FROM THEM. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 10:52 pm: |
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One of my friends is into Quixtar and he says that he made $65,000 last year in his "business." But, that can't be right. Less than one percent of people in these multilevel scams make more than $1,000 a month according to my research.
Do any of you have links to articles or web site devoted to exposing how stupid these scams are? I need more hard evidence to show what a waste of time these are. -- Gary in Seattle |
Daysleepin
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 2:06 pm: |
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If he is really a friend than he won't mind letting you look at his 1040 tax form just before it's dropped in the mailbox.
From the so called friends I have known?
That never happens. Hence, the whole thing is nothing more than a CON GAME anyway.
So to all those that still believe just send me your money. In return you'll have a nice day.
LOL.
In the mean time people THINK for yourself.
Atleast, don't be paying the high prices of your uplink. Heck give EBAY a price check.
Dam, I don;t mean to sound like a commercial.
But My Momma told me "You'd better shop around". |
Anonymous
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I recently attended a TOD meeting for the first time. Within in the first 5 min, I felt as if I was attending a cult meeting. The fact that anyone would give these people a cent is beyond me. The fact that I gave them my time-which they supposedly view as being so precious-is enough to make me lose sleep over. My boyfriend had been invited by someone he knew, and he thought he would check it out. He invited me along for the ride. Worst part about it was, I was so horribly disgusted, and he thought it was a great idea. He proceeded to attened two "follow up" meetings without me, which I didn't say a word about, and had all of a sudden decided to do this thing. When I attempted to discuss it with him, he didn't want to listen to anything I had to say. It was as if he had been brainwashed. Everything I said to him, he responded to with something they had told him. "I'm not selling anything." OH PLEASE! If you aren't selling something then why do you have to convince other people to spend their money on this in order for you to really make some money???? Worst part about this whole thing... I am 19 years old, and even I can see this!!! There were people 2-3 times my age at this meeting just wasting their time and money. They dont have money, so they are at these meetings trying to get money. Did they ever think about the fact that they probably don't have money because they make stupid decisions without thinking things through. Hmmmm...like giving the TOD their money! What a bunch of morons. Someone needs to do something about this soon. I almost feel bad for those poor unintelligent people wasting away their money because they don't know how to do their homework. I think this site is the best thing i have found on this company! Thank you, and keep up the good work! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 5:54 pm: |
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What is TOD? I'm not familiar with this term. Thanks. :-) |
Anonymous
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TOD is Team of Destiny and is related to Quixtar. They want you to join and have you friends join and change your buying habits. Instead of going to a Wal Mart, just order it off the internet and get paid. This is all a bunch of crap. They are not selling anything they are loading up on items they don't need every month just trying to get a bonus check.
My bestfriend is in TOD and he is completely brainwashed. I went to one of his meetings after he was in the business for three months and he guranteed he would be a millioniare in less than two years and have all of these houses. But what was interesting to me was that he has not made a dime, but keeps saying he is making money. I was in a company called Equinox, that is currently in court, and always told people I was making money until the day that I had lost over $10,000 in a year. Fake it till you make it, thats the slogan.
Stay away if at all possible! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 8:21 pm: |
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Still no commission check from Networker2000
They bounced 3 of them, still have not been paid.
They suck.
I have never seen so many crooks working one business
Stay away from Netloser2000,
your money will be glad you did |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 11:01 pm: |
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In German, "TOD" means DEATH. How apropos is that? |
Cayn Love (148.61.251.73)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 3:00 am: |
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Hey, I currently attended a TOD meeting. And like everyone that seems to be writing on this site, I am still very skeptical about the idea. But then again how many of you have bought of the internet. Damn near all of you. and why not save a couple bucks when doing it. then for those people that really get into it why not make money from the thing. Theres one thing to let yourself be brainwashed but theres another to be open-minded. Think about it before you judge. If it were that bad would there be so many people still buying from quixstar. And so many multi-billion dollar companies affiliated with it. Hmmm... |
Opened Eyes (67.162.145.135)
| | Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 12:17 pm: |
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Man I love these Threads! About 2 weeks ago My best friend told me that he was making this Life change and that he thought I would make a great partner for his new "business" Turns out someone had gotten to him and he has now become a IBO. He on several occasions has tried to get me to these meetings and I have recieved several Phone calls from his sponsor or what ever he is... Trying to tell me I dont have a dream. You know after reviewing the materials it all sounds good and well. AND if you really look at it, Has potential to work and appears legal. However who in their right minds wants to deal with bombarding innocent people to buy into this for hard earned cash. Just to buy products with cheezy names and ambiguous quality at 2 times the price of the stuff we have been getting for years. Remember the old saying."dont fix what isn't broke". The worse side is that I hope this doesnt put a damper on my relationship with my friend. I just wish he would have researched it a little better. At this point he is Extremely Excited and as far as I'm concrened.....too far gone. However as a friend I wish him the best. suggestions would be appreciated. |
Anonymous (147.154.235.53)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 1:36 am: |
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I tried the Quixstar business and wish I never did these people are like mindless zombies. They try to make you stop thinking for yourself and do things just like them (they call it submission and duplication) and expect you to caugh up all this money on tapes and meetings. When you say you dont have the money they say "thats why you should go!" or "thats why you need this tape!" its all bull that has been taught to them my the millionares above them who want to keep getting rich off of the tapes and functions.I found something better and It is such a relief to be in an honest networking business that wants you to think for yourself and doesnt require you to spend any money to meet "pin levels" to recieve bonuses. and the products are twice as cheap as quixstar's and I get more than twice the profit per item sold that I ever did at quixstar.
http://jeremiah.biz.mpoinfo.net |
melvin (68.59.179.184)
| | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 10:47 pm: |
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NETWORKER2000 SUCKS , STAY AWAY
and don't get suckered into Financial Destination either.
Both are a Lose-Lose proposition....
Learn this crap on your own and save your $$$$ |
Anonymous (198.81.26.106)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2004 - 3:33 pm: |
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I run my mouth all over town and call loosers to all those people that did not joined the quixtar business with me, after 3 years and about 45,000 lost, I do not know what to do or how to get out, I have being in somany semminars and listened to so many tapes that it makes it almost impssible to deal with the guilt if I get out. I am thinking to move out of town |
Anonymous (24.91.247.244)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 2:18 am: |
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I lost all my friends as well and gave them bad attitudes. There are still some I cannot ever talk to again because I was mean to them for not joining Amway with me. |
Bruce Audley (142.59.183.12)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 1:27 am: |
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Just a quick thought about your statements. Maybe they did take your money and yes, probably you did allow them to get you to treat some friends and family agressively. So here's my thought. This group is extremely professional and almost "hollywood" slick. Do not fret because they got you. They are a skilled, highly refined M.L.M. (Multi Level Marketing) operation that has had years and years in which to refine their recruiting and selling skills. They get a lot of people, believe me! Don't let them win again by further feeling badly or thinking you need to move. Mend every fence you can and do it the same way you tried to recruit or sell product and do it just as forcefully. Most importantly, do it one person at a time! It won't be as hard as you think. Copy this posting if you have to and let them see your words and maybe even the words of others that have posted. Show them what your words say you are feeling. I am willing to bet no one will hold it against you and for those that do, well you can figure out where they stand when you get there.
Don't give this organization this valuable ground,it is too precious!!! This is your life and you need to take it back. Remember this. Some of your community's most respected "pillars of society", may well have done time in this group in their younger days, I know I did. It only gets better from here and for so many reasons hard to explain, it gets better because of how you are feeling, not why! Post in the future and tell me it isn't so. A friend who has been there! |
Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 2:35 pm: |
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Quixtar is a pyramid SCHEME some guy and his ''girlfriend'' not his wife, was trying to push that junk on us. |
Tina (150.216.189.13)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 - 5:24 pm: |
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Has Networker2000 worked for anyone in North Carolina? My step-mom joined 1 month ago and she is doing ok. Is it really a scam? |
Anonymous (129.42.208.182)
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 8:30 am: |
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My friend got into and really didn't tell me much, his IBO came and gave me the presentation since he is still learning. I figured out how the system can easily fail, but will little risk. But when he told not to discuess this with other people until I sign I up, that tipped me off that it was a complete scam, and told him, anything that I can't talk to other people isn't worth getting involed in. He replies, well if they don't know all they facts they can't give you informed input. What a crock. |
slim (152.163.253.102)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 9:57 pm: |
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This is to all of you so called know it all network marketing bashers. Don't knock something that you don't know anything about. The industry is a true profession and if you challenge me I will prove it. So step to the plate and say something. Do you know what a pyramid is? Most people don't. Are you confused about what a pyramid is? Do you want to know the difference? If so, then email me and in the subject line type QUESTIONS ON NETWORKING and ask me a question.
health7mentor@aol.com |
Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 10:36 pm: |
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the Amway / Quixtar push is deceptive , i remember some that were pushing this a few years back they had us meet at Borders books to discuss it like a job, the girl went there with another womans husband. so that told me something right there... |
Anonymous (152.163.101.12)
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Amway? ha ha ha...
Yeah you could do well in it if people wanted to buy soap that costs twice as much as in stores.
When I sponsored someone, my upline took the profit from selling him the "kit".
I spent money on new clothes to go to those "functions" and came away with nothing useful. I could start my own pep club if that's all it took to succeed.
They said to not associate with "negative" people--who didn't want in and who didn't want to hear about dreams all day! In the movie seven a character said to the effect of "people want to eat cheeseburgers and watch tv..."
i.e. they don't want to "dreambuild".
The Emeralds and others would say to ask for help anytime, so I did just to yank their chains, and they never did a thing--they referred me back to my sponsor. They wore these Ball gowns to the "functions"--it was so ridiculous! You aren't at the Emmy's you freaks! Then they ignored someone downline from them when he approached their table at a restaurant after a function.
Of course, they don't associate with those "less successful" then their little clique. Most of these, if not all, were already well-to-do to an extent--they didn't make their money in "the business". They may have extensive downlines, but I don't think anyone was selling their products in the downline--they were "buying products from their own business--what any business person does"!!!!!
Oh the tapes!! and books!! I ended up with two boxes full, and no "percentage" whatsoever. It was a lot like high school --relating with the upline--and I was one hot looking lady, not jealous of any thing or any one. I wasn't permitted to date in the business--no sidelining--going from your line to hanging with another line via dating.
Everyone was my "friend" until I didn't "renew" my business---what is that anyway????? Then they never called again! Thank God!!!!!
I spent around 2k after clothes, trips, meetings, books, tapes, etc. How quickly it adds up.
One day at a function, I found myself angry at all the gimmicks these "Diamonds" were using. We learned these in jr. high school----
Bandwagon--everyone's doing it
Patriotism--linking business to this
Religion-- " "
Elitism--be in the clique
and "you're missing out" "intelligent people..."
"only 5%" "Entrepreneur" "We Care.....:'( "
etc.
I looked around at the crazed looking audience eating this crap up, and I stopped yelling and clapping with them, then stopped smiling. They were such "God fearing, family loving, patriots"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please! They were money grubbing USERS! There never was a more materialistic phoney group than theirs--Playing songs about money--one big Party--that these people really couldn't afford.
We weren't supposed to drink--apparently not at all! Not One!
Yes it is most absolutely true--only those who get in at the beginning do that well--and then as the masses catch on, everyone drops out. Hey I do not need three cars, a winnebago and five houses--really, I have no use...I don't even like furs....Refuse to own one. So the upline can kiss my downline!!!! And may their businesses quickly disintegrate. |
Anonymous (65.219.238.146)
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what a great post!
here's a margarita for u! you deserve it after putting up with that ($#*(#*$#.
peace,
zee |
Eva L. Garnett (207.157.12.3)
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 9:09 am: |
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I am a member of Networker2000.com and I have been a member for over three years. In those three years I have earned over $30,000 from my own trades. I have earned an additional $42,000 from the auto trading Terry Harris set up with Investtrade. I love it and it has changed my life.
I was working in a textile company in Alabama that closed the plant with little notice. I had no savings and few options to obtain another job. I attended a meeting with an ex-co worker and started my training about three weeks later. My life hasn't been the same since!
Yes, Networker2000 has had some problems in the past. Those problems were created by white women Terry hired to try and create a diversified company. These women worked for the man he is now suing in court. They stole company money, wrote checks on a account that they were aware he closed to try and remedy the prior thefts that were under investigation. These women sent out bogus letters to members and stole Terry's formula to Option trading and sold it to a Korean investor. So all the hype about crooks and not being professional came from people Terry hired to work for him; whose real purpose was to ruin the efforts of a successful black man .
I have now started my own computer consulting business from my home and I have things I would never have gotten with an Russell Mills check! I finally broke even this year and pray to make a profit from my business next year!
Explore the Networker2000 site for yourself, attend some of the FREE seminars and develop your own opinions of the club. I see there are some very negative, uninformed authors on these threads. Find out for yourself!
Terry Harris is a brillant man and a excellent investor. I am so sorry that a few negative ivestors seek to bring him down. |
Esther Hung (24.85.39.82)
| | Posted on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 11:41 pm: |
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I was wondering, why is everyone so against Quixtar? Personally I've joined it and i think it's great. It's true the people there are a little excessive in enthusiasm that it makes me feel awkward sometimes,but I've made some progress in the few short months i've joined. And the people i know never were that pushy telling people that they didn't have a dream just because they joined. So could someone explain why they think Quixtar is a scam? Or they could mail it in to Quixtar itself because they offer a 1million dollar reward for somebody finding a fault in their system. Please don't critisize me for being on that side or saying I'm a head hunting zombie or whatever because I do have my own thoughts. I'm just curious why people think otherwise, not to do battle=P |
Bruce Audley (198.53.28.106)
| | Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:50 am: |
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Esther - Well at least you didn't buy into the "T.T.I." deal like your friend!
Bruce |
Esther (24.85.39.82)
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Mr. Audley, haha~~thank god i didn't join that one~~but hey~~i was wondering what your personal opinion on Quixtar is? |
Bruce Audley (198.53.28.106)
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Esther - The name is Bruce (Mr. Audley was my dad) and I admit I have no understanding of "Quixtar". The way I look at it, a body can really only be smart about one or two things in their liftetime. Knowledge on "Quixtar" would take me over that limit!
Bruce |
Esther (24.85.39.82)
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Bruce - Sorry, I apologize for that, I just didn't know if you would find it rude for me to call you by your first name. It is too bad that you don't know about "Quixtar", because it's apparent on your other forum that you have some quite valuable and objective views. I would have loved to hear it=). |
Bruce Audley (198.53.28.106)
| | Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 10:21 pm: |
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Esther - I'm too old for change and besides, after thirty-three years at this career, I'm just now getting the hang of it. I'll leave "Quixtar" to those looking for new challenges in life. Thanks anyway!
Bruce |
alicia Love (205.188.117.12)
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Eva, I have searched every search engine online pertaining to N2K International and Terry Harris. The only thing I have found is the lawsuit with the Alabama Securities Commission. Which to me does not make it a bad company. I have been in several MLM companies and in only one of them I made enough money to leave a job. The one thing I can say is MLM works. The thing is most people see "get rich quick" but only in the rarest of cases can a person get rich quick. MLM or Network Marketing must be worked in order to get the money you dream about. I can guarantee most people who failed in MLM either 1) had no credibility with their friends, family or co-workers. 2)recruited the wrong type of people. 3) Support team did not support you. 4)Worked more at their jobs then their own business-which you will never make money if this is the case. 5) Was part of the wrong business. If you can think of all the jobs you have had, the work effort you put into them and the return in pay you received. Just think If you would have put that same effort into your own business. Where would you be financially, mentally and personally? I am joining N2K in one week. I look forward in what I can learn and the money I will make. Good luck to all and never give up. |
Michel J. Grenier (69.157.144.63)
| | Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 12:27 pm: |
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Esther, I think Bruce was only joking about calling him "Mr." :=) |
Michel J. Grenier (69.157.144.63)
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Esther, I think I can answer to your question "I was wondering, why is everyone so against Quixtar?"
In fact, it is difficult for average people to see what is legal or illegal, ethical or unethical on the market, because of the big number of fly-by-night scammers on the market.
So... many of them are now putting all companies in the same bag, which is not good for the industry.
Personally, I think Quixtar is a very good company.
In fact, it is a branch of Amway, one of the pioneers in MLM and network marketing
and the one that set the pace for all others. |
Bruce Audley (198.53.28.106)
| | Posted on Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 12:31 am: |
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Heh - I never joke about someone calling me "Mr."! I may be fifty-four but I do not legally inherit the title until I reach sixty.
Bruce |
Michel J. Grenier (69.157.144.63)
| | Posted on Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 11:36 am: |
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Hi Bruce,
So... I will win the contest before you, since I'm 58. :=) |
ossos (ossos)
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Posted From: 66.18.206.79
| | Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 2:01 pm: |
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I stumbled across this board the other say while seeking info on the newest soon to be proven scam, TTI. Before anybody slams me for that statement, yes, I have been to a presentation.
I had done very well in Herbalife years ago, I signed under the Canadian founder Larry Shine whom I knew well at the time.
I'm amused and impressed that Bruce seems to haunt several of these sights. I say to you, Bruce, that I’m impressed with your insight and common sense. Also your lack of greed. We share the same many same views.
The main focus of my post is to address Esther however, about Quixtar. I was involved in this business and working toward platinum qualifications but I developed compassion. A bad thing to do in most MLMs.
No, it's not a scam but your upline will do everything they can to keep you from finding the truth. I’ve communicated with two Diamonds that felt the same as I and walked from the business. If you're interested on the true generation of income you can email me for info at lsincal@hotmail.com . This is an email address I expect to get spammed so title your subject "About Quixtar" and it won't go into the junk folder.
Bruce, as keeper and guardian of all that’s common sense in this forum, “Keep up the good work!” |
bruce_audley (bruce_audley)
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Posted From: 198.53.28.106
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Kind words indeed my friend but really. Don't you think "haunt" is a poor choice of words. How about, particpates, conjoles, secrets or hell, even instigates. But HAUNTS?
Bruce |
ossos (ossos)
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Posted From: 66.18.206.86
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 9:59 am: |
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Bruce, I offer my sincerest apologies for my choice of term. It’s just while garnering info on another rising scam I happened upon some of your comments in another post. Curiosity and a well founded connection to Quixtar brought me into this topic and here you are again.
It makes no difference, participates, cajoles, secrets, even conjures, I think you impart some wise words and common sense without having your insight clouded by greed.
And again to all, I did not stop by to denounce Quixtar. As a business I believe it is sound. The products they sell are good to excellent quality and they do have an admirable, even model return policy if you are unsatisfied for any reason.
My issues were with the income generation that caused me to part ways. There are a few distributors at the apex that have created a business within itself to reap and pillage from those entering Quixtar. That is where the true income lies and it is shared by only a few. It’s once again become another scenario of the tail wagging the dog, the reason AMWAY was born all those years ago. |
bruce_audley (bruce_audley)
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Posted From: 198.53.28.106
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Ossos - It appears my sense of humour translates very poorly in this medium. I was attempting to make light and have some fun with your great comments and I want you to know that it took them the way you meant them. Instead of trying to be funny, I will just say "Thank-you" for your kind words.
Bruce |
ossos (ossos)
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Posted From: 66.18.206.79
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 10:42 pm: |
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Let's just stick to being funny. 
I'm off to save the world and expunge humanity from the scourge of companies such as TTI.
Our paths may cross again. Who knows, I reversed your i.p. and it appears we are in the same city. Perhaps we can heckle a meeting. They have them often enough. |
advancinglives (advancinglives)
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Posted From: 64.105.84.56
| | Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 7:44 pm: |
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Herbalife Class Action Settlement Reveals "Secret" Business, Similar to Amway/Quixtar's Exposed on NBC Dateline
Pyramid Scheme Alert has formally requested that the FTC investigate Amway/Quixtar's recruiting practices. It is now expanding this request to also include Herbalife, which follows the same pattern of deception.
Read more at:
http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/news/herbalifeNWTW_settle.html
*****
Plaintiffs accuse NWTW and Herbalife of:
- wire and mail fraud
- racketeering
- fraud and deceit
- operating an illegal pyramid scheme
- running an endless chain scheme under California law
- violation of California Seller-Assisted Marketing Scheme Law
- deceptive business practices
Read more at:
http://www.mlmsurvivor.com/NWTW_first_amended.htm
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A 14 year 4 Diamond Herbalife President's Team Member moves to another company
Visit http://www.yourbetterfuture.com to see why he chose to switch companies.
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Visit http://www.AdvancingLives.com and take the 5-minute tour to learn more about the company he has chosen. |
wmmw (wmmw)
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Post Number: 95
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.157.144.63
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 2:15 pm: |
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Here is an interesting post I just found in another room:
What you should check BEFORE joining any MLM opportunity by Michel J. Grenier
In 1983, I was invited to join a MLM company operating in the natural products field.
In fact, my wife joined and I helped her. I was knowing nothing about MLM at that time, but I had a lot of contacts.
The first month, my wife got a royalty check around $40 US, the second one, around $150 US, the third one, around $2,000 US, the fourth one, around $4,500 US, the fith one, near $6,000 US, plus a bonus car with a value of $24,000 US, a total of $132,000 CAN in 12 months, including retail profits, part time.
A lot of money more than 20 years ago...
Turbo-charged, I was soon disappointed to see her bonus checks shrinking on the following months, even if her total sales were growing.
At that time, we were owning a house in Florida, and I was working on my computer, on a rainy day, trying to figure out why her bonus checks were shrinking.
I was comparing different marketing plans when, suddenly, I made a discovery that I would like to share with you.
In fact, I discovered 2 very important factors to be carefully checked BEFORE joining any MLM company.
I know, I know, you think it's the sound financial situation of the company, the honesty of its owners, the quality of its products, etc.
But... I want to talk to you about something else, when all of the normal requirements have been met.
As I said, I was then trying to understand why another company, with a similar product, but with a lower quality, was growing faster than my wife's one.
I discovered that, in fact, there is only 3 kinds of marketing plans, no matter if the company is using a break-away system, a matrix one, a binary one or any other ones:
A) Decreasing ones
B) Increasing ones
C) Equal ones
There is also some of them using a combination of the former ones.
Let's analyze them in depth:
A) In a decreasing system, the royalties are going decreasing in your downline, like in the following example:
Level
0 YOU
1 6%
2 3%
3 2%
4 0%
2- In an increasing system, the royalties are going increasing in your downline, like in the following example:
Level
0 YOU
1 5%
2 10%
3 15%
4 0%
3- In the equal ones, the royalties are equal on all levels of your downline, like in the following example:
Level
0 YOU
1 5%
2 5%
3 5%
4 0%
So:
DECREASING INCREASING EQUAL
Level Level Level
0 YOU 0 YOU 0 YOU
1 6% 1 5% 1 5%
2 3% 2 10% 2 5%
3 2% 3 15% 3 5%
4 0% 4 0% 4 0%
Guess what was the kind of system used by my wife's company?
You're right, if you answered the first one!
In fact, in a decreasing system, people are always in a kind of conflict of interest with their downline, even if not conscious of this situation.
Let's say you know Bob and you sponsor him. Bob is on your first level:
Level
0 YOU ROYALTY
1 Bob 6%
Now, let's say you and Bob know John.
If you sponsor John, you will make 6% on his group when he breaks away with his group:
Level
0 YOU ROYALTY
1 Bob John 6%
If you let John being sponsored by Bob, you will then received 3% on John's group instead of 6%
Level
0 YOU ROYALTY
1 Bob 6%
2 John 3%
Now, let's say you, Bob and John know Mary.
If you sponsor Mary, you will make 6% on her group.
Level
0 YOU ROYALTY
1 Bob John Mary 6%
If Bob sponsors her, you will make 3% instead.
Level
0 YOU ROYALTY
1 Bob 6%
2 John Mary 3%
If John sponsors her, you will make 2% instead.
Level
0 YOU ROYALTY
1 Bob 6%
2 John 3%
3 Mary 2%
So, you always are in conflict of interest in a decreasing system since or YOU or someone in your group will feel bad, according to who is sponsoring who.
The only way to continue making money is sponsoring a lot yourself, so you can get 6% on your leaders. In fact, I had 26 people in the front line of my wife.
Did you get the point?
In an increasing system, even if everybody knows you normally have more people the deeper you go in your downline, you still have a problem, since people you want to work with are not really interested to work with you. They are more interested to work with their third level instead, and so on.
Personally, I think an equal system is by far the better one since people are working together, like REAL 50-50 associates, since nobody is in conflict of interest, but...
... In my three examples, there is a common denominator. Did you find it?
In fact, all of them are only paying on three levels. You receive nothing on the next levels soooo... what is the other point or factor you should analyze very carefully BEFORE joining a MLM opportunity?
More to come in my next article... |
voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason)
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Post Number: 61
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.158.84.70
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 2:35 pm: |
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wmmw,
so now you are in this room spreading lies? You posted that article "you just found" weeks ago in another thread.
If anybody wants to find out about wmmw, go to http://superhighway.is/iis , the international crooks website, go to find a crook, and type in wmmw.
Here is a quote from wmmw:
"As I previously stated, Super Highway have an international crooks database where they post crooks from all over the world but... Super Highway are not STUPID.
BEFORE posting anybody there, they carefully check the crook BEFORE posting his name. They contact the crook and ask him many questions about its activities.
They have a lot of international police forces and lawyers working with them to make sure they will not be sued by anybody...
So... even if I would like to report a crook to them, they will not post anything BEFORE having carefully checked with the crook himself and other interested parties.
When they are posting someone, it is because they are SURE.
The fact that they have only one or few complaints is irrelevant since it is not the number of complaints but the quality that counts."
So we know that Super Highway thoroughly checked out this crook.
You can see more of his lies in the Treasure Traders Thread. |
wmmw (wmmw)
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Posted From: 69.157.144.63
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 8:56 am: |
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To All---
Voice of Treason posted himself this post in Super Highway with a fake and forged e-mail address.
So, it's normal they post him.
He is the crook with TTI and Allan Kippax.
Just type TTI or Kippax and you'll get the results with REAL name, phone, fax, and physical address of these crooks.
Voice of Treason is just trying to get more and more VICTIMS in his trail for GREED.
Nice try, Voice of Deception!
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voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason)
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Post Number: 70
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Posted From: 69.158.48.119
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 9:47 pm: |
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wmmw,
But you state "BEFORE posting anybody there, they carefully check the crook BEFORE posting his name. They contact the crook and ask him many questions about its activities. So... even if I would like to report a crook to them, they will not post anything BEFORE having carefully checked with the crook himself and other interested parties.
When they are posting someone, it is because they are SURE."
I know they must have contacted you, and you must have confessed everything to them, or they would not have posted anything about you! They HAD TO BE SURE!
A typical crook tries to point the finger elsewhere........
When wmmw starts asking for donations in this thread BE CAREFUL EVERYBODY, HE IS A SCAM ARTIST! |
advancinglives (advancinglives)
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Posted From: 66.167.71.238
| | Posted on Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 9:12 pm: |
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Visit www.AdvancingLives.com to see where some who leave Amway/Quixtar are moving to. |
candancekane4 (candancekane4)
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 69.28.4.85
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 11:24 pm: |
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I have recently had a very bad experience with Quixtar. Not myself
actually, but my boyfriend. After hearing many different Quixtar
stories from people I have decided to create a petition. The
petition asks for Quixtar to be re investigated, and hopefully shut
down. It will be sent to the Federal Trade Commission as well as the
Better Business Bureau. If you would like to sign it here is the
website. Thank you!
http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/StopQuixtar/ |
methuselah (methuselah)
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Posted From: 80.43.4.151
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 6:17 pm: |
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At the top of this page someone mentioned that there are a lot of cardboard signs up advertising the opportunity to work from home and earn thousands every month. Wow! What luck. Somebody with a fantastic job opportunity for and unskilled worker like me paying a potential fortune. All this advertised on a crappy piece of board at the side of the highway or on a cheap flyer thrust through your door. Anybody who can make you any serious money in this world is NOT throwing themselves at you desperate for your attention. Rather the geniunely great jobs are guarded by people who are beating applicants off with the proverbial excretion covered stick. Pyramids were built by slaves because they made a massive profit for the pharoah who owned the pyramid. Those slaves at the bottom doing the spade work got nothing. Pyramid selling is the same principle. A total rip off unless your the pharoah sitting at the top of your own pyramid empire like a parasite leeching off the poor slaves who keep you in the Donald Trump like existance that you have become accustomed to. I suppose it beats having a REAL job! |
methuselah (methuselah)
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Posted From: 80.43.4.151
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 6:25 pm: |
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Ive just a fantastic idea that is guaranteed make you plenty of greenbacks better off. All you do is join my scheme by reading the above notice. {free of charge of course} then you tell at least 5 people you know what a 24 carat rip off all pyramid schemes are. They then tell 5 others. This scheme is guaranteed to save people millions |
make7000 (make7000)
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Post Number: 102
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 24.150.250.47
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 8:23 pm: |
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To all
Most MLM companies suck!!!!! l am not really sure how people get sucker into having to sell tens of thousands of dollar in product that you can get anywhere so that you can make $100. But hey if people are that stupid to think that they can do it then let them go and try. But don't blame the company they are just tring to make a living. Its the stupid people that think they can sell all this product when they really can't. The only time l have a problem with a MLM company is when they lie or mislead people. As long as they don't lie and make it possible for you to find all the information you need then l have no problem with them. l mit not sign up for the company but if other people want to then go for it!!!!! Good Luck because you are going to need it.
So candancekane4 tell your boyfriend to do alittle more reseach before he puts his money into something. As much as l don't like Amway / Quixtar your problem shouldn't be with them it should be with your boyfriend for being stupid.
There are a couple of Good MLM companies he just have to find on but Amway/Quixtar isn't one of them. |
skeptic2 (skeptic2)
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Posted From: 128.222.32.10
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 3:09 am: |
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To All
I was one of those people that go sucked into a Quixtar meeting, a friend of mine recommended me to go to it a I could make about 250 dollars extra a week. After I sat through about 2 hours of crap I realized something, you have to be a fool to believe you can make big money this way. Even though I came to this conclusion in the first 15 min I gave my friend the benefit of the doubt and look over the information he gave me, and on the side I decided to take a look at this great money making IBO on the web. This brought me to realize so more things that I didn't real think of. I list them below
1) During the 2 hr meeting the first 1.5 hr was dedicated to (what would you do with extra money buy a car, house, just more crap) useless information. After the hour and half was over they started talking money. This is were they got my interest. After about 25 min of (you need to get your friends signed up, and sell 100 points, and you get) more crap that sounded like a pyramid scum, with no true value added. Then the last 5 or so min they touch lightly on (They have high quality products at a wholesalers price) the products they sale. After leaving this wonderful meeting (waste of 2 hr of my life) I started wondering what kind of legitimate business spend most of its time talking about hype and signing up more people, than talking about the products they offer?
2) Another thing that came to mind was how is this an IBO (independent business operation) if you don't have a business? If you decide not to sell your friends to the Devil (Quixtar) and you decide to sell just the products, you have no business of you own. To me this sounds like you have become a door to door sales man at a crappy pay for some big company. Sound like the job I have now, the differences is I know I get a check ever week and I have benefits. (Lets quite are job and work for owner self's/Quixtar that would be a change of a life time. A bad change, but never the less a change) Even though all of this hit me in the first 3hr of go to this great meeting (with the devil) I still was going to give my friend the benefit of the doubt. So I did some research.
3) After many hours of research I came to another fact I never thought of. You have to go to this meeting ever week to explain how successful you became (I made a dollar) but you never take into consideration the time you spend, the gas you use (which you no longer have to waste because you don’t have to go to a store when you buy from Quixtar), and the money you have to pay for the meetings when you bring a new person. (A recruit for the devil)
4) After reading some more articles I found that more than 99% of people spend more money than they make on this Idea. Also most people get so delusional at the fact they want there own business the lose sight of reality (nothing is free in this world, and unless the sky is purple in your world and if so then this may be something for you). I also found that there are people that make lots of money, but that is not from the products they sell lagitamently, it is from the brainwashing tapes, books, and meeting (weekly or monthly) they facilitate.
5) And the final straw that broke the camels back was the one thing they never once said. This use to be called Amway. Hello, that tells you all you need to know they are the devil.
To sum up my rant.
If you have a love one in this, try to get them out, if you can’t get another love one. If it is your boyfriend or girlfriend, there idiots leave them. If its you your an idiot and need to wake up and smell the coffee and if you can’t I have prime ocean front property to sell you in Colorado ***Super Cheap****. (If you dont like it dont read it)
(Message edited by Skeptic2 on January 19, 2005)
(Message edited by Skeptic2 on January 19, 2005) |
make7000 (make7000)
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Post Number: 116
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 24.150.250.47
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HAHAHAHAHA
Thats funny!! Amway / Quixtar is a joke! Tring to sell there crap product and the only people making money are Amway. Hey if you think that you can sell amway more power to you but we all know where your going to end up. |
heather (heather)
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Username: heather
Post Number: 93
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 205.188.117.12
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My Husband brought this freakshow "hank" night to "Show us the business" He had some mantra he was always blubbering and wanted us to choose our freedom word mine was "screw off hank" they all this glazed over look and use the same regurgitated catch phrases over and over. Hank like to save his mcdonalds receipts for write off Lmaoo I especially love the.. dont worry about the price part. they sure worried when somehpw they sent me a bunch of crap and didnt charge me for it lol. Now if you want to see what sickos deal in this quixtar crap go up to religous cults and read Greater Grace World Outreach..its there half of these freaks go to church. The Books..False profits.. All that glitters is not God and many more give you a real good look into quixtar. |
dannon (dannon)
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 2-2005
Posted From: 66.138.73.52
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My son got into Quixtar but hasn't much time for it. After over a year, he is not making anything! He has actually spent a little, and no profit! Can anyone relate to this? |
skeptic2 (skeptic2)
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 128.222.32.10
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Dannon...........I read some articles about Quixtar and found that they mostly go after people that are desperate to make there own business. This is how they get people to over look the fact that they are losing money not making it. For all the hype Quixtar gives it doesn’t tell you about the cost of doing business with them, interims of Gas, Time, and Effort. I would recommend him to try something else. One of Quixtar biggest claims is you own your own business but this appears to be far from the true. In all actuality you are just working your tail off for them. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 406
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 65.93.33.190
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This should give all you "right-minded" people a boost and show you there are people out there that care and can make a difference
Please see http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/3/prwebxml217181.php
The special interests that tried to distort the law in the state of Utah are also at work in all other states, in the United States Congress
and in other countries [Canada]. They are utlilizing deceptive promotions and campaign contributions. See
http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/news/DSABill/DSAbill.html |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 436
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 65.93.108.206
| | Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 10:58 am: |
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Check this out. More of the same and the Christain connection.
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/results.html?QryTxt=pyramid+fraud&x=11&y=6 |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 457
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 65.93.139.153
| | Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 2:59 pm: |
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For those thinking of joining, or those who are not sure what they have gotten themselves into please consider this for the sake of you family, friends and community.
http://www.businessethics.org/EinEJan2001.pdf |
dschutte (dschutte)
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 6-2005
Posted From: 69.3.16.14
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Herbalife Class Action Settlement Reveals "Secret" Business, Similar to Amway/Quixtar's Exposed on NBC Dateline
Pyramid Scheme Alert has formally requested that the FTC investigate Amway/Quixtar's recruiting practices. It is now expanding this request to also include Herbalife, which follows the same pattern of deception.
Read more at:
www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/news/herbalifeNWTW_settle.html
*****
Plaintiffs accuse NWTW and Herbalife of:
- wire and mail fraud
- racketeering
- fraud and deceit
- operating an illegal pyramid scheme
- running an endless chain scheme under California law
- violation of California Seller-Assisted Marketing Scheme Law
- deceptive business practices
Read more at:
www.mlmsurvivor.com/NWTW_first_amended.htm
*****
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See why he chose to switch companies –
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Take the 5-minute tour at www.AdvancingLives.com |
msmithluvnlife (msmithluvnlife)
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Username: msmithluvnlife
Post Number: 39
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 165.247.89.101
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I was recruited as an Amway distributor in the early 90's. I drove a long distance each week to attend motivational meetings. I did everything my upline said to do, and maybe made 20.00 in the process. I too had tons of tapes after all was said and done. I remember the 'night owls' where everyone would pass a dimond ring around to gloat over some unknown NFL star who decided to try his hand at it. I embarrased myself (being only a dumb young buck at the time,) by inviting all my friends and aquaintences to these meetings.( This was a state trooper of all people!) The worst part was they sychronized their brand of Christianity with "The Business." As a Christian this made my stomach turn.
As for Rich Devoss and that other fellow, Im glad somebody made out ok, cause it sure wasnt me. Years later, I started a legitimate business and did a little better.
If your a youngin like I was at the time, dont let some smoothtalkn slickster talk you in to draining your bank account and making a fool out of yourself to your friends. Lets be real here. Psychological manipulation = Major bucks for the big players. End of story.
God bless as you find a legitimate niche,
MSMITHLUVNLIFE! |
hoss1 (hoss1)
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Username: hoss1
Post Number: 6
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 205.188.117.13
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 10:15 am: |
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i'm here to tell you that people that knock quixtar and amway are flat out quitters and probably quit things the moment they don't see results. last year i made over $500K in this magnificent business. this company embodies nothing but the utmost integrity and respect. stop cryin and bitchin how nothing works and thats a scam and whatever else you want to complain about and get off your lazy ass & do something with your life. okay i'm done, have fun at work everyone... |
gatordave
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1705
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 72.38.117.34
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 10:59 am: |
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Your company is a fraud
http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=125 |
gatordave
Senior Member
Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1709
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 72.38.117.34
| | Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 12:55 pm: |
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More on the governor to be and Amay.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060624/POLITICS/606240320/1022
dave crimebustersnow.com |
ibofightback
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Username: ibofightback
Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 213.112.94.254
| | Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 3:20 pm: |
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New site with facts on Amway and Quixtar
http://www.thetruthaboutquixtar.com
Gotta love that comment about "unknown NFL star" bymsmithluvnlife. Probably referring to Founder's Crown Ambassador Tim Foley. Twice winner of the SuperBowl including the undefeated '72 Miami Dolphin team. That's "unknown" all right ... :-/ |
christian_peper
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Username: christian_peper
Post Number: 21
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 207.69.139.134
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 12:19 am: |
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My name is Christian Peper. The AMWAY family vacations in Michigan not far from where my family sometimes goes for vacation.
The AMWAY family has private armed guards patrolling the beach around where they vacation in Michigan. This intimidates the local town people and vacationers.
The AMWAY clan is more than just a big money scam, THEY ARE A CULT!!! Normal people do not hire a private army to protect them. |
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