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     kyro (kyro) New member Username: kyro Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.226.94.253 |
Basically I have just created an .xml file demonstrating how dangerous pyramids can be. A person with an IQ of 40 could figure this out. Im not saying that you wont make any money with Treasure Trader International, you probably will but its risky because I personally believe that it will be shut down very soon. Anyways... The way I setup this xml is that each person finds 2 other ppl who invest $1,200. And he collects a the first 2 "rounds". Meaning he collects from the 2 ppl he found and the 2 people each that they found. 2*2*2 = 6. Then 6people*$1200each = $7200. Then the 2people he recruited will collect the money of the next 2 which equals to 4*2+8*2 = 24. Then 24people*$1200each = $28,800 and $14,400 each. And it continues....Of course not all 100% is going to the people but the company is really who is winning because they are only giving them a miesly 7200. Yes this is not a model like TTI's but it is very close. any opinions on this? btw i did this kindof in a hurry so I can't say that its completely accurate. link: http://img98.echo.cx/my.php?image=tti7zp.jpg (click on the image to make it bigger) more info on this topic: http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/pyramids/pyramids.html (Message edited by kyro on April 27, 2005) (Message edited by kyro on April 27, 2005) | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 197 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
WOW are you smart kyro l don't think l could have figured that out thank you for explaining it to me. You sound like that loser gatordave. People have been saying that TTI is going to shut down since it open but it is still here. TTI has also expanded its product lines as well. Oh yeah if you take a look at any MLM company they pretty much all work the same why. You make your money by recuiting people not selling product. | ||
| kyro (kyro) New member Username: kyro Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.226.94.253 |
make7000, you are a fucking idiot. TTI is making more money than your little sorry ass can even imagine, and you are paying for it aswell as the other 18,000ppl out there. you are taking the risk not they. The first who sign up for this might profit, the rest is the ones who loose their money. | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 199 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
Right back at you kyro Of course TTI is making the most money!! IS there any company out there were the people that work for them make for money then the comapny? None that l have ever heard of? | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 586 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
TO: Kyro A bit strong but appropriate all things considered. This "MAKE 7000" character does nothing but bully everyone with his idiotic nonsense. Here readers, is a crook who just got 20 years and a fine of $63,525,860 (that’s million) and his followers 8 to 15 years and fines of $25,000 to over $43,000,000 for running a pyramid fraud and money laundering racket. http://i-newswire.com/pr17345.html That was only 120,000,000. Start calculating what Kippax is taking in. This was being run for over 5 years. Now, I would think he and his followers were telling his victims pretty much the same thing as these TTI “pyramid artists” that it was all “perfectly legal”. Why hasn’t Kippax the crook ventured into the U.S.? That was supposed to happen last October. Perhaps some of Kippax’ “brainwashed” disciples have some convoluted excuses they have conjured up or have been issued some “brainwashed” excuses by the Head Office of TTI to “parrot”. Kippax opened in the U.K. months ago, why not in the U.S. it’s far closer? Lets hear the excuses. I think it’s because Kippax the Crook sees the U.S. enforcing it’s regulations with serious jail time and high fines, and weighing whether his largest International Gem Stone Company has indeed become large enough to attract the attention of the F.B.I. and the Federal Trade Commission. Sure would like to know the pro TTI’s “spin on this”. This “MAKE 7000" character finally and unambiguously confirms what we have been saying all along ........ in his own words “Oh yeah if you take a look at any MLM company they pretty much all work the same. You make your money recruiting people not selling product.” That is one of the primary reasons TTI is illegal and we have been stating that for months. The money is made recruiting victims on the pyramid game board not selling overpriced fraudulently misrepresented Gem Stones. As far the huge profits TTI is making by having “brainwashed disciples” cheat their family friends and community then send them the money, consider the 75 captains in a small town of 6,000 who took 8 X 75 X $1,200 from their victims. TTI received 75 X $2,600 = $195,000 from this small town for doing nothing but providing an illegal pyramid game board. And his “brainwashed” disciples conning $1,200 from their friends and family made a paltry $5,800 ea. That is without the purchase of the overpriced virtually unmarketable Gem Stones for thousands more TTI profit. That’s one small town of 6000 milked for over $195,000. Kippax according to the glowing reports of his disciples has done this enough times to have surpassed the crooks who got 8 to twenty years for $120,000,000 fraud. It is reported in Toronto alone 57000 are involved. Roughly divided by 8 for the no. reaching captain that's 7125 captains X $2,600 for Kippax' share = $18,525,000. Now, what about the rest of Canada and the U.K. Think really hard as why Crook Kippax hasn’t entered the U.S. Success in this business is dangerous and with the "crack down" begining I think Crook Kippax realizes that now. dave (Message edited by gatordave on April 29, 2005) | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 596 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
TO: THE CROOKS OF TTI If crook Kippax has been keeping up with the news in the U.S. and has any brains he will keep his fraudulent scam out of the U.S. There not fooling around. These are some more reasons confirming my contention he hasn’t open up there yet. I don't Know why I should try to do him and his band of crooks any favours by keeping them out of jail, but it's the victims that concern me. When you see the devastating harm you people do to families and a community if you had a conscience at all you would be on this side of the fence. So, have a look at Kippax future if he heads south with his band of crooks and crooked scheme. Quote from the news story..... “Prosecutors said Hamilton operated a pyramid scheme in which he convinced about 300 Wisconsin residents they were investing in rare coins, but instead of buying the coins and reselling them at a profit, Hamilton used money from new investors to pay off old ones. Hamilton’s girlfriend, Angelina Roebuck, 53, also of Mount Charleston, pleaded guilty earlier this month to one count of mail fraud for helping with the scheme. The charge carries a maximum prison term of 20 years. Now, “Make 7000" already pounded into our heads that “you make money recruiting people not selling product” I wonder if the Judge will consider “rare” emeralds and “rare” gem stones differently than “rare coins” as a defence. What do you readers think? check it out I have more for you. http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2005/04/29/98350.php?sps=rgj.com&sch=LocalNews&sp1=rgj&sp2=News&sp3=Local+News&sp5=RGJ.com&sp6=news&sp7=local_news | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 210 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
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| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
For the record, TTI still continues to operate legally, ethically, and does indeed offer the opportunity to earn income through the sale of gemstones...in other words, not much has changed since the last time I was here. It also appears Dave still does not comprehend what network marketing is about, yet still continues to whine about how the government isn’t closing down this business…go figure! I don’t think the “Emperor” needs to worry about murdering any “whistle-blower” because there really is no “whistle” to be blown…instead, the “Emperor” is too busy laughing at the “court jester” who mistakenly believes he’s the “whistle-blower”. Dave, you’ve wasted quite a bit of time on a war you’ve already lost, and it still boggles my mind that you actually still believe you’re right. Perseverance, persistence, and determination can go a long way...but this just a bit overboard. Oh well, how you choose to waste your time is all up to you. I’m sure you’ll probably be successful at turning heads away from this business (of course that’s only assuming that, like yourself, people haven’t bothered to see for themselves the difference between network marketing and illegal pyramids, but in the end, your mathematical formulas remain inaccurate. BTW, has anybody managed to divide their two pies by one-half yet…I’m still trying to find the square-root of mine.  God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 757 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The mathematical formulas proving the fallibility of pyramid schemes including TTI that I post are not mine. These formulas are clearly recognized by law enforcement including the FBI and INTERPOLE and those who activity fight pyramid fraud throughout the world. The only reason TTI is not being closed down in Canada yet is due to the number of corrupt police, judges, lawyers and politicians involved in it. The threats are real. I have already looked down the barrel of a loaded police officer's gun and witnessed, in his eyes, the prejudice and hate of police exposed. I have also been "raked" through the court system several times on the perjured evidence of police and liars they were able to coerce, even otherwise decent people. The power of police to influence citizens testimony is enormous and is being revealed everyday as more and more people are being exonerated and released from jail due to tainted evidence induced, coerced and influenced by corrupt police. They would have little trouble, I surmise, enlisting you lot to lie to trump up more false charges. Call special OPP investigator Bill Sword Peterborough Ontario. Perhaps you can start a new conspiracy and cover-up. It is obvious you are morally bankrupt with no facts left that have not been torn to shreads with the truth. And again the simple truth is, without the completion of a sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above. You have nothing intellectual left to fight with. You must resort to nothing but your ridiculous and childish schoolyard bulling and ridicule tactics. The truth is out and the Emperor indeed has no clothes. Even that well recognized moral lesson in life taught for over a hundred years to children to enlighten them about hucksters like you lot, you treat with contempt and ridicule. You expose your own idiocy will little help from me!!! God Help You "Fake Truth" and Huckster Benny Hinn. You promoting TTI provide false hopes of Financial Independence, Hinn provides False Hopes to a young boy he will see again, and a 8 year old little girl with twisted legs she will walk again. Like you who make your predicable victims believe they are lazy losers, Hinn makes the unhealed children believe they are bad, lack enough faith, and do not love Jesus enough to be healed. After all Hinn posseses the power to heal them, it's their fault they are still crippled. It's enough to make decent people weep. You disgusting sick hucksters!!! P.S. What do you have to say about Phone Busters who are telling people it appears TTI is a pyramid and they quote from the CBC's story from Ottawa? (Message edited by gatordave on June 27, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 255 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
...and yet antoher excuse referencing corrupt government. So, perhaps the FBI and INTERPOLE must also clearly recognize that network marketing also can involve the growth through a pyrmid structure, otherwise Amway/Quixtar would've have been shut down years ago...just something you might want to ponder on...since you still don't get it. Sorry to add more fuel to the fire, but Dave it's so obvious you are wrong! Either accept it or keep wasting your time. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 768 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"TRUTH" (that is definitely "tongue in cheek"). Now, I can't figure out what you’re babbling about. Am way was apparently operating a pyramid or some other type of fraud and shut down like many other so-called network marketing companies. You appear to be trying to tell me most network marking is illegal fraud. And I agree, which incidently is the opinion of Robert FitzPatrick of Pyramid Fraud Alert who travels the world warning governments, appearing in court as a professional and appearing on T.V. Now what’s your point? You continually evade the simple fact that without the completion of any sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above. That’s it. Anything else is an addendum and pure B.S. And for that revelation, and the fact corrupt, police, government officials, politicians etc., and a Judge or two are involved in TTI and the former “WEW”pyramid I truly believe I will be killed or otherwise violently and unjustly injured or dealt with. And you still have not addressed the issue of Phone Busters passively warning citizens this is a pyramid and suggesting they not get involved. What about it? | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 260 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Seriously, do I really need to spell it out for you Dave? Come on now, if anyone here is babbling, it’s obviously you…there’s absolutely no doubt about that. I mean, you’ve been posting in this ridiculous forum for how many months now and time after time you’ve posted the same info you’ve posted months ago, and time after time you’ve continued to fail to bring down this legitimate organization that you claim to be an illegal pyramid fraud. You’re back at square one and you’re not making very much progress. You see, I’m not trying to evade anything, because in essence there really is nothing to hide. This business is out in the open for everyone to see, investigate, and understand….so regardless of whether you decide to continue to misinterpret the information presented to you, it really does not change the simple fact that this business really does follow all laws. So here’s your argument…”without the completion of any sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above.” Well Dave, let me ask you one simple question…when someone puts their $1200 towards the purchase of gemstones in this business, have they or have they not completed the purchase so that all they need to do is pick up the gemstones? This is a simple "Yes" or "No" answer, so we really don't need to post a 10 page essay. Now, if your response is “No, they must add another $600 plus taxes to complete the purchase.”…my reply will be “Dave, I'm sorry, wrong answer...look closer.” When you finally come to your senses and finally say to yourself, “Hey, would you look at that…a purchase is actually completed.” then we can continue. Until then, there really is no point moving forward because if you don’t understand this one simple aspect of the business, there is no possible way you’ll be able to understand it as a whole. We’ll go over how it is mathematically possible for a pyramid to go on forever and ever (and ever and ever and ever), when you’ve shown that you’re ready. God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 277 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
BTW, Amway is not out of business…but of course we know this is just one of the many lies you continue to post. You can visit their website at http://www.amway.com if you’d like to see for yourself. There’s also some info showing the difference between a business opportunity and a pyramid scheme there that you might wanna look at before you decide to continue pretending that you know what is legal and what isn’t…because the fact that this business is still operating really has nothing to do with the government being corrupt. The direct link to that page is: http://www.amway.com/en/BusOpp/business-opportunity-or-pyramid-scheme-10082.aspx God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 782 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
TTI is a pyramid ripping off young people and seniors and the unsuspecting as well as recuiting criminals who know exactly what it is about. And you are one sick bastard. And the fact remains racists OPP "blew away" Native Dudley George for protesting a land depute. I am protesting corruption within the Police, the Government and the Judiciary and the Law Society that knows full well my of their corrupt lawyers were and are involved in pyramid scams particularly “WEW”. Police on the instruction of government can "blow me away in an instant." That lesson is clear. And you may be right they may take the longer approach and file more false documents and false allegation forcing me into a mental institution as they did Howard Gowan a Saskatchewan farmer who complained of the theft of half dozen cows. Check the McDonald Enquiry into RCMP Wrongdoing and check www.injusticebusters.com . Ask your RCMP and government about that one. They don’t like questions about that one. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 285 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Now Dave, let's concentrate on the issue at hand rather than constantly referencing past occurrences that have no direct relation to TTI whatsoever. You've been doing that from the very beginning and it really has no bearing on this case. Sure, you can argue how this past incidences can repeat itself, but alternatively I can argue how other network marketing business are operating just fine and how those who have opposed these businesses are alive and kicking…so quit sidetracking our readers and stick to the topic. As for TTI ripping people off, that’s just another lie that is easily exposed. For everyone that comes into the business and successfully personally sells gempacks as intended while ensuring their team is doing the same, they will be seeing profit. The only people losing are those who are not doing the work required. Face it Dave, if these people aren’t successful at creating sales, they’re not gonna see a cent …this is clear with every business…that’s the bottom line. If you can give me an example of someone who is running their business exactly as TTI has explained and is creating sales, but has yet to see income, then maybe you have a case. But right now, all you’ve got to support your view are people who haven’t made sales according to plan…so really there is no argument there. End of story. Anyway, your answer to the question presented is still wrong so when you get it right we can discuss this further. Until then feel free to keep wasting your time here. If you want to continue babbling some more, feel free. Keeping you off the streets is probably safer for all of us anyway…including yourself. Have a good day Dave! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 790 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I agree lets just conscentrate on the issues. The answer to your question, NO! absolutely not. a recruit's purchase is not complete with the certificate. The recruit must be relieved of considerably more money to complete a purchase of relatively worthless gemstones. A recruit however, can burn the certificate, buy no product, and still play the pyramid board "sucking" in family and friend paying TTI $2600 evertime he/she "sucks" in 8 new victims. That is the very typical "naked" pyramid fraud. Your "smoke screen" product is unmasked and your are a devious LIAR! | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 797 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
“TRUTH” (sic) WROTE "We’ll go over how it is mathematically possible for a pyramid to go on forever and ever and ever and ever and ever, when you’ve shown that you’re ready. God bless. Now we get to it!! Just read that line over several times then read Orwell about the future government and the mind manipulators like “TRUTH” “We will torture you until you say 2x2=5. Then we will torture you until you believe it!!” That is this psychological “mind bending” LIAR that bills himself as the self proclaimed “TRUTH.” He will go over, and over, and over, a mathematical impossibility until you say it. Then continue until you believe it. In the meantime TTI boards are “stalling” all over Canada because of the true mathematical certainty that pyramid scams cannot possibly go on for ever, and ever, and ever, and ever. This LIAR should be locked up in jail for perpetrating this fraud on children, seniors and the unsuspecting, and enlisting other criminals who know the scam, or if he truly believes his own LIES HE should be lock in a mental facility to protect the innocent people he is infecting with this propaganda nonsense. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 292 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Come on Dave, you can barely understand 3 simple options at the back of the deposit receipt certificate to answer my simple "yes" or "no" question correctly...so you're obviously not ready to get into the mathematical part of it. And nice try labelling me as the liar when we can all seen who is lying here (Liar=GatorDave). Keep trying, you may get the answer right someday…and if you never get it right, don’t worry, we won’t think any less of you. Good luck buddy! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 805 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Either TTI or the government must be paying you heavily to keep you churning out your lying propaganda. You say "undersatnd"??? It's not a question of understanding I "see through" your LIES. You continually evade the simple fact that without the completion of any sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above. Now, is it or is it not possible for someone with $1200 to play the pyramid board constantly without ever completing the purchase of a gemstone? To complete the purchase of a gemstone requires more money and added tax or it is not a completed sale. Any rational truthful person knows that? You are simply a paid LIAR. P.S. by the way I see you do agree that the rest is in fact an option which I have maintained all along. You can play a naked pyramid which definitley requires $1200, but the purchase of any product is an option. An option, absolutly unnecessary. (Message edited by gatordave on June 28, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 301 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still clueless Dave? Ok, well I guess this 50/50 thing just isn’t working for you (good thing it wasn’t a multiple choice question…i.e. A,B,C and D). So since we can’t get passed this one simple question, let’s try another one related to the same area of discussion. From what I recall, there should be 3 options on the back of the purchase order deposit receipt certificates…pop quiz: What are the 3 options (verbatim) indicated? Feel free to use as many “lifelines” as you wish (I recommend staying away from the 50/50 lifeline though, cause…well, y’know...). This should help us understand how much you really know about this business (and trust me, this is the easy stuff). Also, neither TTI nor the government pays me to post here…nor do the corrupt cops, politicians, judges, lawyers, jail guards, government employees, government agents, teachers, accountants, doctors, babysitters, paperboys, disk jockeys, McDonald's crew members, Wal-Mart cashiers, Superstore rollerbladers, Dell computer helpdesk agents, car salesmen, Domo gas attendants, NBA basketball players, city street cleaners, auto mechanics, 7-eleven clerks, personal bankers, NASA astronauts, taxi drivers, financial advisors, travel agents, bar tenders, admin assistants, bus drivers, software developers, window washers, metal workers, seamstresses, professional skateboarders, supermodels, architects, project managers, marketing analysts, dieticians, university professors, warehouse managers, dog pound attendants, high school volleyball referees…etc. So accusing me of getting paid for what I write here is just another lie of yours exposed (but what else is new?). So, who pays you to lie consistently anyway? Take care Dave! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 812 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Your a LIAR and a manipulator, I will rely on those reading these threads to sort that out for themselves. You have the greatest weapon working for you. Few victims speak out and unfortunately many who lose don't even realize they have been scammed | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 308 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
In other words....you don't have the answer, do you? Enough said. I rest my case. God bless. | ||
| jason_k (jason_k) New member Username: jason_k Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 24.150.149.101 |
Hello Everyone, I would just like to say that I felt the same way about TTI at first, I went to two meetings and got all my questions answered, did my research and found out that they are completely legal and was 1 of 5 companies in Canada to do 34 million dollars in a year! Plus 75% of the money goes back to its distributors and that is totally unheard of in this type of industry...and I have participated in a few MLM type of businesses and nothing, nothing has come close to providing what this company has provided to me and my family. My wife now stays at home with our 2 year and 3 month old, just like she always wanted. And I just quit my crappy job to do this full time. TTI is currently implementing new systems that will help protect the integrity of its new members as well as the old by now having the time leverage boards stay at the Fleetports permanently. TTI will now be collecting the funds preventing people from getting stung by the less honest people in the business and have also implemented POP....they say the best thing about network marketing is everyone can get it in and the bad thing about network marketing is everyone can get in....but if you think about it, even in your current job there’s the people you don’t want to get involved with. If you are smart you will align yourself with the people who are having success with this program. You get out what you put in, just like in life. I have been doing the business for a few months and I have accumalated $14,000 in cash and have $20,000 in gem-cash so I do know the system works. I work with my downline and I am always available to them. As this is basically a home business I also make it a point to let my clients know that if they have not made any money within 30 days, I will refund their money personally. This is how dedicated I am to ensuring EVERYONE WINS. I am now getting ready to get on the Extravaganza board and am very excited about making $30,000 cash and $25,000 gem-cache or trade dollars....speaking of trade dollars – this is a way you can utilize your gem cache. You don't have to purchase just gems anymore. You can participate in the trade side of things and they are accumulating new vendors on all the time. Right now they probably have a few hundred items for part trade and part cash. You can find stuff for your own personal use or to resell, cars, TVs, etc....I wish more people could see the opportunity here and run with it because there is a lot of money to be made. For some people the hardest thing to do is ask for help because they feel like they are failing and tend to lay blame. If you are having trouble with your upline, you can seek assistance from one of the Fleetports. I find that people are very helpful there, the company wants everyone to succeed – when you succeed, they succeed, that is how a time leverage board works. And TTI is growing everyday - they have training classes available to help you succeed. This is honestly the answer for the Average Joe citizen to make some money. Knowledge is power....and I believe that lack of knowledge, education or training about TTI is what causes most people to fall short. I mean if you start a new career are you required to get training and constantly learn in order to be effective in what you are doing...well this business is no different. You do have to work at this whether it be 5-10 hours a week or 50-60 hours a week – the difference is you can do it when you want, you don’t have to get up at 6 am if you don’t feel like it, but remember – you get what you give. All that you have to do to be successful in this business is when you are working make sure to put in a 100% in to what every hours you are dedicating to it....get training as it is important in order to handle the objectives and questions honestly. If we as a group aren't knowledgeable about our own trade, we make ourselves look bad. You are TTI so you represent TTI. This can change people’s lives and it can be done as quickly or slowly as you decide. I see both negative and positive feedback in this forum and that is good, it makes for lively discussion. I will not lie to you - there will be casualties along the way and some people will feel cheated. Money doesn’t come for free and you still need to get out there and work, it’s not as easy as for some as it is for others – especially if you’ve worked in a 9-5 job so long and that’s all you know. You get conditioned. Every person in this business starts with same tools and the same opportunity; it is what you make of it. If you are for some reason not doing well I urge you to talk to your upline or Fleetport for help...don't let this awesome opportunity pass you by. This business isn't for everyone so if you want your business to succeed remember this one little detail - select people who are motivated and see the potential...lame and lazy need not apply. You are only as strong as your team and this is a team effort. We haven't even moved to the US yet but I can guarantee it is going to make a lot of Canadians millionaires....So hold on tight man, we are going to set the world on fire...I hope I have been helpful to some people looking at the opportunity it is serious and it is for REAL. And by the way, for the people asking about the guarantee, TTI does have a 10 day money back guarantee that will be in force once the boards are all held at the Fleetports and I do believe there is a 3 day money back guarantee for the current boards that are out there right now. Discuss this with your current captain and if need be, feel free to get the Head Office involved to assist in getting you your money back. If someone has wronged you in anyway, I do suggest that you contact Head Office regarding that person’s compliance or lack of. If the above options have failed for you, feel free to contact me here. I am always looking for great people to work with and I believe in team – perhaps you got pulled in by someone of less than attractive character (people we are trying to weed out), our team would be happy to help you get on another board (not necessarily mine) and give you some tips. There are quite a few of us who meet for coffee after training on Saturdays so we can bounce some ideas around. Thank you for your time and best of luck in your business. May all your dreams come true...like Walt Disney once said "If you can dream it, you can do it." Contact TTI Local 905.602.1200 Toll Free 1.888.361.TTIC (8842) Compliance Reporting, Policies and Procedures Inquiry Email: compliance@ttico.com | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 838 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"HAPPY_WTH_TTI" wrote..... "Your the only one trying to be deceptive here GatorDave. You never in your 700 posts pointed out something illegal with TTI." The whole thing is illegal and is pointed out quite accurately by the RCMP on their website and dozens more websites. But like the “WEW” pyramid fraud that everyone now knows and agrees was illegal, the corrupt Government refused to close them down for nearly four years until the corrupt judges wives, lawyers, politicians, school board officials, doctors, accountants, people in the media, church ministers, etc., etc., had their pockets full of money at which point they prosecuted a few token “lambs to slaughter” (a farmers wife, a widow etc.,) then TTI was immediately started to fill the void so these corrupt government officials, police etc., could continue. In fact it wasn’t until the "fraud virus" entered the US and and really “ticked off” State Attorneys General that the Canada Government reluctantly closed it down. This is simply a re-run of the same corruption. Now, as you well know I am the only Canadian who has thoroughly researched this and has named corrupt police, politicians, school board officials, lawyers, people in the media and the Law Society of Upper Canada etc. And you must realize too that I am going to be killed just as surely as Dudley was for attempting to expose this and do something about it. I can only hope that someone in the world news media, or other power will stumble over this site and step in here and expose this to the masses, or the victims will have the courage to unite and complain on mass, otherwise I fear I will be killed. You think this is all a joke. Either you are ignorant as to what goes on in this county, and content to keep yourself that way, or you are knowingly part of the corruption. http://www.artspan.com/forums/read.php?f=6&i=134&t=134 P.S. No one yet has given a satisfactory answer as to why TTI has not taken this corruption into the U.S. Remember another TTI hollow promise they would open there last October? Months ago I reported this to the FBI, several State Attorneys General and opened a file with the FTC. So I'm still waiting to see if TTI is going to try to tap the largest market close to home, where crooks go to jail for up to 20 years for this kind of fraud. By the way Kippax how much time you get the last time for weapon's, drugs, and assault? And therein lies a good reason for me to believe with your millions, Kippax you can now pay someone to do your dirty work instead of personally assaulting or worse. You have the best on your side. Your have corrupt vicious cops. In the news recently one of the night club owners or associate in Toronto was found dead and it was reported there is reason to believe cops were involved. Certianly police have been threatening, intimidating and assulting people. That I have already experienced first hand, along with face to face threats from your Captains, Kippax. (Message edited by gatordave on July 04, 2005) | ||
| happy_with_tti (happy_with_tti) New member Username: happy_with_tti Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.95.164.169 |
So what you basically are saying GatorDave is TTI is as corrupt as all the judges wives, lawyers, politicians, school board officials, doctors, accountants, people in the media, church ministers, and police officers who assault people at random. Phew..... I was starting to get worried there. Once again..from a Captain's stand point, I've never been so happy with this company and there tightening up on compliance. Everything in this company is very squeeky clean. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 846 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You seem to have gotten it, “HAPPY_WITH_TTI” albeit facetiously. It is a matter of record “WEW” pyramid was illegal. Token people were prosecuted even a token former politician’s wife and two daughters in the Durham Region. The names of the active politicians were covered-up like the example of the criminal activity of former Mayor Lastman’s wife. Frederick Wilson a dirty deceptive lawyer from Kincardine testified his wife was involved in “WEW”. (that’s fact and that’s on the record). She and at lest seven more prominent citizens although thoroughly investigated by OPP special investigator Bill Sword were never charged nor their names exposed. Even the investigation into the Kincardine Corruption by Sword was kept from the citizens of Kincardine and Canada. The general public were never informed that Sword had even been to Kincardine investigating these high profile people. I am the only person in Canada who has dared reveal this special investigation by corrupt OPP and the names of those involved including OPP Officer Bill Sword (gutless corrupt crime-covering-up-news media included). So, much for the proof of the corruption of police, lawyers, judges and politicians etc. And even a dirty slimy thieving Crown Attorney. And now to address your remarks about police random assaults. The court record of cases over the decades already adjudicated and investigations and Royal Commissions into police wronging, and wrongful deaths, involvement with organized crime, drugs, extortion theft etc.; the specific inquiry into the shooting death of Native Dudley George, resulting in the conviction of an OPP officer, the wrongful death of the 18year-year-old Native in Saskatoon in which police were convicted and are serving time in jail, and any number of police crimes in Canada that would keep you reading for a years full time proves my simple truth that police not only assault people at random, as you have in fact now seem to grasp, but also target individuals and “set up” situations with anything from brute force, false police reports, false rumours and perjury to cover-up and distract from their involvement in crime. Now, “HAPPY_WITH_TTI” you impress me as someone who has no idea what is going on in your country and it appears to me you seldom read news. Today Wednesday July 06 2005 Toronto Star page B2.... Quote... “The Toronto Court of Appeal has decided a former Crown Attorney who stole $48,355 from a memorial scholarship fund can serve part of his sentence under house arrest....” His name Bryan Davies One can only imagine how many young people, street people and the homless this slim has successfully prosecuted for petty shoplifting and theft under 200 bucks. Image stealing from a Memorial Fund. Why don’t you recruit this piece of slim and show him how to rip off just ordinary children, seniors, singles mothers, along side of corrupt judges, politicians and image even teachers, lawyers, police etc. who have, up to now, maintained the combined power to keep their thefts by fraud out of the courts and the newspapers. So, It should be apparent to anyone reading these posts that TTI criminals and its genuinely “brainwashed” are simply attempting to deny the undeniable, or as “VOICE” has pointed out “tell a lie long enough” and people will believe it....However...... “Truth can never be told so as to be understood, and not be believed. William Blake, The Proverbs of Hell” “Truth suppressed, whether by courts or crooks, will find an avenue to be told. Sheila Steele www.injusticebusters.com And that's what this whole thing is a suppression of the truth by courts, crooks, and media" | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 850 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
HERE WE GO AGAIN Ordinary citizens charged with fraud but without ties to the elite, the government or the judiciary will have their names published in the news. Who is this unnamed Calgary Cop charged with Pyramid Fraud. Is he/she the token sacrificed cop in another "secret hoard of them" in this pyramid like the other pyramid frauds permeating Canada promoted by corrupt judges, politicians, police etc., And will he/she get the "golden slap on the wrist" and the "wink wink" by another corrupt judge if this cop’s case ever gets to court. And in Calgary or anywhere if anyone out there has any information of a rats nest of cops or the like email me at www.gatoraid@sympatico.ca I'll publish this one's name or any other. Perhaps we will eventually expose a corrupt Judge. Maybe that corrupt London Ontario Judge. Has anyone the courage to give me his/her name? How about you big mouth “VOICE” or you “b.s TRUTH” you’re supposed to be running a legal (lol) pyramid according to your criminal president so why wouldn’t you want the country to know the name of one of your most (lol) credible and prestigious distributors -a judge-. I already published the retired OPP crook’s name in London CHUCK DOORE!! London Ont is a real “cess-pool” of high profile pyramid freaks. In the “WEW” fraud none were criminally exposed nor names published by the corrupt London Free (lol) Press or TV . (One of the top (over $100,000) fraud freaks Mhaira Walsh's husband is an employee of London TV Mike Walsh) Check out the Calgary Cop and the pyramid!!! http://www.am770chqr.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428109912&rem=13242&red=80110923aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm gatordave P.S. My so-called fantastic stories that “VOICE” and “b.s- TRUTH” repeatedly tell readers are lies, are certainly gaining credibility in the wake of convictions of cops for killing citizens, “railroading” them into mental institutions” threatening and extorting club owners, politicians for shoplifting, police for running pyramid frauds, a Crown Attorney for stealing from a memorial fund etc., etc., and these are only the tiny few on the tip of the giant iceberg of corruption that fell threw the well protected “net of deceit” that is our judicial system and had to be reluctantly exposed or semi-exposed. “Truth suppressed, whether by courts or crooks, will find an avenue to be told. Sheila Steele” www.injusticebusters.com | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 861 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The cops name is KIRK McCALLUM. It was in fact published (unlike Ontario) from an earlier broadcast. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 865 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
THIS IS TTI CLEAR AND SIMPLE http://www.cockeyed.com/ebay/scam/laptop_pyramids.html | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 874 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
In the news today July 11 2005. ..... Comments from the election in Albania last Sunday. http://news.ft.com/cms/s/4ca97c46-f1a7-11d9-9c3e-00000e2511c8.html “He resigned the presidency eight years ago amid turmoil caused by the collapse of five fraudulent pyramid savings schemes whose investors included half the cabinet and most finance ministry employees.” 5 schemes collapsed the entire country. And look who were involved! Anyone who believes, contrary to the revelation of names and positions posted by both pro and con TTI on this board that this is not happening with corrupt police, even (Barry Elliot) in the Phone Busters program, politicians, and other government people, and those corrupt officials attract, simply have chosen to "close their eyes and hold their noses". See no evil and smell no corruption. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 880 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Another Pyramid Suicide. Only thankfully it was the perpetrator rather than another "brain washed" victim who got family and friends involved. "Drama around convicted swindler ends in suicide Aftenposten - Oslo, Norway ... until his financial empire fell like a house of cards amidst fraud charges ... swindled fromangry creditors, both in the 1980s and in alleged pyramid schemes just ...... Continues" http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1078902.ece p.s. Wonder if he had a prior record of assault, drugs and weapons" | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 889 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
This is from the Dudley George Inquiry "In his ruling, Judge Fraser said he rejected Deane's testimony that he shot at an armed man preparing to fire on his fellow officers. The judge found Deane knew Dudley George was unarmed and then "concocted a story ... in an ill-fated attempt to disguise the fact that an unarmed man was shot." He also rejected testimony from two other officers, deeming it "fabricated." http://www.monitor.net/monitor/free2/ipperwash.html That is what the police and my government in Ontario are capable of. It is a classic example of the corrupt perjuring Ontario Provincial Police fabricating evidence as they did, and are doing to me. I have never owned gun, I dislike guns, but police have now caused false information stating I had a gun to be put in official files. All that is necessary is that police shoot me and put a gun in my vehicle. It's as easy as finding a person police know is a liar and willing to file a false report then give perjured evidence in court that "I threatened to rape my estranged wife." which is exactly what the OPP Officer did. It is corrupt OPP offer Bill Sword who was at the Dudley George shooting and who also investigated then covered up for the police officers relatives and politicians etc. involved in the "WEW" pyramid fraud and now refusing to do anything about the police,the judge, lawyers etc., involved in the TTI fraud. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 894 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
This is what the US military is doing to combat crooks like Kippax with their complicated double-talking pyramid frauds and "GO-Trading" schemes. "New program helps enlisted troops fight fraud San Diego Union Tribune - San Diego,CA,USA ... These include fraudulent Individual Retirement Account investments, Ponzi and pyramid schemes, illegal securities sales, Internet fraud and what is called ...cont http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20050714-1014-bn14taps.html And charges filed against other Chief of Police for fraud and breach of duty in another pyramid fraud that saw citizens bilked for millions. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/599787.html | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 223 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
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| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 323 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still operating with no government intervention...LEGAL. Facts are facts! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 950 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The simple answer to "FALSE TRUTH’S" question is that any RCMP officer regardless of their beliefs and evidence will tell you it is not their responsibility. The RCMP in Calgary after their initial investigation which convinced them TTI should be investigated as an illegal pyramid, passed their investigation to Industry Canada. The RCMP don’t care how illegal TTI is, they will tell you it is out of their jurisdiction unless they are specifically called upon to conduct an in depth investigation. So, we are back to Industry Canada which uses the excuse “there are so many fraudulent pyramid schemes out there we are unable to enforce the law.” (There is no excuse however, not to at least adequately inform the public so they are aware.) Now readers, this huckster billing himself as “TRUTH” does not want you to get anywhere near the truth. Call RCMP Officer Corporal Roussel Fraud Division 403-292-6923 I’m sure he will verify that the RCMP does not simply conclude these scams are illegal then close them down. That is what this anonymous crook would have you believe, and in the absence of such action then proves TTI is legal. As I have maintained all along he is a word twisting fact twisting liar. What he tries to get you to “swallow” is so far from the truth it is ridiculous and laughable. Ask this huckster who he is. This is the first thing you should ask him before you consider believing a word he says. Remember “CONSIDER_IT” he finally identified himself as Rob Moore from northern Alberta explaining his reasons and motives for supporting TTI as well as some of his reservations. It was he on departing this forum who stated on Jan. 08 2005 @ 1:52 pm “Oh, and “MAKE_7000" , You’re an asshole.” I would be genuinely interested in his views and observations of anyone he knows that got involved with TTI months ago. For the sake of truth. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 957 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
TO ALL I just got off the phone with Corporal Roussel of the RCMP He says that the natter was passed to Corporal McDonald then to Industry Canada. Now, although Roussel agrees that the mere fact TTI says the RCMP are not closing down TTI does not make them legal, he is really pissed off about the whole thing and as I said he doesn’t give a damn if TTI is legal or not or if TTI distributors tell the world they have the approval of the Better Business Bureau and have the backing of Industry Canada as some have done, and he could care less if the family in Mississauga is ripped off for $8000 or anyone else for matter including 16 year old children and seniors. He is pissed off I even brought this to his attention and slammed the phone on me. But the truth is because the RCMP doesn’t close TTI down does not make them legal. Call these RCMP Officers and ask them. 403-292-6923. They are the servants of the people and you have the right to ask them questions on law enforcement. So, although it’s a filthy lie that TTI is legal because the RCMP are not closing them down, it is me who is going to be killed by police if I don’t keep my mouth shut. The classic and literal case of “shoot the messenger.” Dudley George, “lest we forget.” . You see readers and Bruce Audley, this is how the Canadian Systems works to deny knowledge of “white collar crime” and political corruption to the average citizens who do not have special friends in the Attorney General’s Department.. dave. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 327 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Or perhaps it's really just legal....simple as that. ...but I guess your story sound much more exciting...we'll take it! So when should we start evacuating this corrupt country that we live in? God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 968 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
For you corrupt individuals. The sooner the better. And I'm hoping your victims will join together to give you the needed boost. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 336 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Sounds good! We'll follow your lead! Please take us to the place that does not have a corrupt government (by your definition). Remember, Canada and UK are totally out of the picture...it appears Amway, a network marketing business that grows in a pyramid structure, is allowed in Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, United States, Uruguay, Venezuela, Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom, China, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Australia, Brunei, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand...so we'll probably wanna avoid those places too. Our options are a bit limited, but if/when you find a government that doesn’t allow these filthy pyramid businesses, why don’t you go ahead, and we’ll catch up to ya in a bit. Thanks a bunch...and may the Force be with you Gatorman! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 975 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You sure sound desperate, but, glad you're finally waking up to reality and finally in agreement with me. All governments are riddled with corruption ours included. Now we have clearly established that after over a year of denial, that's why it is up to right minded citizens in every country to take a stand against corruption like you by keep plucking the rotten apples from the barrel to protect what’s left. I don’t want to leave, I simple want our country to be cleaner, and if we can help other countries maybe we can have a cleaner world. If you corrupt scum would just leave this country voluntarily all the better. At least one country would be closer to ideal. | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 232 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
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| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 341 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
So now it’s NOT JUST the Canadian government that you believe it’s corrupt…it’s ALL OF THE GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD? Sorry if I sound rude, but that is the absolute most ridiculous piece of fiction you’ve come up with so far (ok, maybe some of your other stories might be a bit more ridiculous, but this falls somewhere at the top of the charts). No seriously…you are joking right? I mean, you actually don’t believe all these numerous countries ALL OVER THE WORLD are in conspiracy to protect the existence of what you believe to be illegal pyramids. I think it’s safe to conclude at this point that you are TRULY CRAZY…actually, it was safe to conclude that a long time ago, but if you actually believe that the opinions of a single man such as yourself are far greater than the laws created by governments around the world, then I think it’s not the world that is wrong and it’s really just you. It doesn’t take a math expert, lawyer, or gemstone professional to figure that out…all it takes is some common sense. Since it’s pretty obvious your mission to bring down all these governments will result miserable failure, I might as well say it to you now…”I told you so!”  God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 986 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Now B.S. “TRUTH”, First your anonymous secondly, your ridiculous. Here you go again setting up your own straw men then knocking your own B.S. You are absolutely ridiculous. I am not trying to bring any government down. It is your criminal element trying to do that as they successfully accomplished in Albania. I am simply and obviously trying to my part to clean it up. These facts are not something I made up. They are from the websites of the CIA, FBI, Interpol, Scotland Yard etc., etc., and echoed by ethical politicians worldwide and the IMF. I’m simply revealing these facts and the source., You ridiculous anonymous “white collar criminal.” Do reader see that it is these people law enforcement around the world are warning us about? You were pretty good there for a while, before the predictable truth began to immerge. Your now feeble attempts to confuse readers are just getting too transparent. It sounds like you are tying to tell us there is NO CORRUPTION IN GOVERNMENTS lol. Just like there’s no corruption in TTI. Still lol. You are a joke!! | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 240 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.136.39 |
To ALL Be very, very careful about smooth talkers like Voice and the other one calling himself The truth. FACTS-FACTS-FACTS-PROOFS-PROOFS-PROOFS 1- TTI has no positive opinion letter from Industry Canada or Federal authorities, binding on the Commissioner, that they can show you and us. Why? If they are so sure their system is legal, why not asking for such an opinion letter as other REAL and ETHICAL MLM companies do BEFORE going on the market? Such a TTI favourable letter, from the Commissioner, would have the clear and fast effect of shutting all of us, the ANTI TTI people. We challenge all Pro TTI people to come to this room with a copy of such a letter. 2- TTI is claiming to be an honest MLM company but is not a DSA or MLMIA member that represent REAL MLM companies. http://www.dsa.ca - http://dsa.org - http://www.mlmia.org - http://mlmlegal.com . TTI is not a DSA member since it would imply Mr. Kippax to be binded personally. Mr. Kippax could NOT hide himself BEHIND the corporate veil as he is doing right now with TTI. 3- TTI has a buy-back policy of 10 days for its customers and distributors, which is against the industry practices, they are claiming to be in, with MLM companies, that have a minimum of 90%-90 days and 1 year one up to an illimited period for all DSA members, for their DISTRIBUTORS wanting to end their relationship with a specific company, due to the specific nature of the MLM business. Feel free to check the Federal Government presentation, supporting ANTI TTI (CROOKS) claims at: http://mmprodnt.ic.gc.ca/mmpub/competitionbureau/content/language_select_noframe.html For the buy-back policy, just go to Slide 8, in Set TWO, and Slides 5-6-7 in SET THREE. 4- You have to wait for 14 members to be on your team BEFORE receiving your $500 on your first sale, $500 on your second one, and $6000 on your group: 2 + 4 + 8, for a total of $7000. 5- That means that you're paid for sponsoring, which is totaly ILLEGAL. If you don't sponsor, you get nothing save papers (certificates). You still have to GIVE a lot of money to TRY to trade your certificates with Go Trading, that is a totally newcomer on the market and is not known by the industry. In fact, Gotrading registered their domain name on March 30, 2004. You can check GoTrading is a REAL newcomer on the Whois site displaying the following info about them: "Domain GOTRADING.NET Date Registered: 3/30/2004 Date Modified: 10/26/2004 Expiry Date: 3/30/2005 DNS1: ns.gotrading.net DNS2: ns.gotrading.net Registrant 2024583 Ontario Limited 181 Greenwood Ave Toronto, ON (CA) M4L 2P8 Administrative Contact GOtrading.net Marketing Manager 439 King St W, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103476qqmt@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Technical Contact GOtrading.net Tech Support 439 King St w, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103478mcmk@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Registrar: Namescout.com" 6- Go to any jewellery store in your area and ask them if they would even accept to buy your TTI stones. 7- If TTI ceases its activities at any point in time, TTI will not have the money to pay ALL of its distributors since it is depending on newcomers to pay the CAPTAINS. 8- Only 1 out of 15 will be paid, the CAPTAINS. 9- 14 out of 15 will lose their money. 10- Most of them will be left with pieces of paper with the only paper value. 11- Pro TTI people have been unable, up to know, to clearly give us a clear payout for only ONE Gem-Pack as any other LEGAL and HONEST organization can do easily. $ % Retail Price: ? 100% Wholesale Price: ? ? Retail Profit: ? ? Bonuses on group volume: ? ? Other overrides if any: ? ? Total PAYOUT: ? ? 12- Mr. Stephen Knight has been fired from the JJ international network of appraisers on beginning of November 2004, for ETHICS VIOLATION, as you can read CLEARLY on the Jewelry Judge's site at: http://www.jewelryjudge.net/SK.html 13- If you get caught, you could go to JAIL for 5 years and be fined up to $200,000. 14- With a criminal record, you will be unable to pass the customs to go to USA. 15- You will lose your friends, your credibility and your respectability. 16- If you're ready to work hard and put time and dedication in it, there is a lot of REAL good and legal opportunities out on the market. So... open your eyes BEFORE being caught in the TTI PYRAMIDAL and PONZI SCHEME!!! | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 350 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still legal and still running... God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 248 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.136.39 |
Truth- Please, call Industry Canada 800-348-5358 and ask for Dominique Dion. They have totally denounced and refuted your propaganda b.s., b.s. “TRUTH”. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 363 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still perfectly legal... God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 274 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.134.66 |
To ALL FACTS-FACTS-FACTS-PROOFS-PROOFS-PROOFS 1- TTI has no positive opinion letter from Industry Canada or Federal authorities, binding on the Commissioner, that they can show you and us. Why? If they are so sure their system is legal, why not asking for such an opinion letter as other REAL and ETHICAL MLM companies do BEFORE going to the market? Even after many requests from us, we have seen NO PROOFS up to now, NOTHING... Such a TTI favourable letter, from the Commissioner, would have the clear and fast effect of shutting all of us, the ANTI TTI people. We challenge all Pro TTI people to come to this room with a copy of such a letter. You will see babbling and nice tries of shutting us, but nothing save trying to discredit and shut us by any means. 2- TTI is claiming to be an honest MLM company but is not a DSA or MLMIA member that represent REAL MLM companies. http://www.dsa.ca - http://dsa.org - http://www.mlmia.org - http://mlmlegal.com . TTI is not a DSA member since it would imply Mr. Kippax to be binded personally, as the president of TTI. Mr. Kippax could NOT hide himself BEHIND the corporate veil as he is doing right now with TTI. 3- Check the Better Business Bureau Report, about TTI, at: http://www.bbbmwo.ca/commonreport.html?bid=1080830 Like usual with their VICTIMS, no answer!!! 4- TTI has a buy-back policy of ONLY 10 days for its customers and distributors, which is against the industry practices, they are claiming to be in. Honest MLM companies have a minimum of 90%-90 days and 1 year one up to an illimited period for all DSA members, for their DISTRIBUTORS wanting to end their relationship with a specific company, due to the specific nature of the MLM business. Feel free to check the Federal Government presentation, supporting ANTI TTI claims at: http://mmprodnt.ic.gc.ca/mmpub/competitionbureau/content/language_select_noframe.html For the buy-back policy, just go to Slide 8, in Set TWO, and Slides 5-6-7 in SET THREE. 5- You have to wait for 14 members to be on your team BEFORE receiving your $500 on your first sale, $500 on your second one, and $6000 on your group: you recruit 2 that recruit 4 (2 each) that recruit 8 (2 each), for a total of 14 members (victims). Then and only then you get your $7000. You depend on the newcomers to get your own money, which is TOTALLY ILLEGAL. 6- That means that you're paid for sponsoring, which is totaly ILLEGAL. If you don't sponsor, you get nothing save papers (certificates). You still have to GIVE a lot of money to TRY to trade your certificates with Go Trading or otherwise. Go Trading is a totally newcomer on the market and is not known by the industry. Go Trading is a FAKE. In fact, Gotrading registered their domain name on March 30, 2004. You can check GoTrading is a REAL newcomer on the Whois site displaying the following info about them: "Domain GOTRADING.NET Date Registered: 3/30/2004 Date Modified: 10/26/2004 Expiry Date: 3/30/2005 DNS1: ns.gotrading.net DNS2: ns.gotrading.net Registrant 2024583 Ontario Limited 181 Greenwood Ave Toronto, ON (CA) M4L 2P8 Administrative Contact GOtrading.net Marketing Manager 439 King St W, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103476qqmt@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Technical Contact GOtrading.net Tech Support 439 King St w, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103478mcmk@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Registrar: Namescout.com" 7- Go to any jewellery store in your area and ask them if they would even accept to buy your TTI stones. You could also go on EBay and "discover" you can buy a lot of TTI "treasures" for pennies in the dollar. What a deal!!! 8- If TTI ceases its activities at any point in time, TTI will not have the money to pay ALL of its distributors since it is depending on newcomers to pay the CAPTAINS, which is a clear sign for a non-ending chain, TOTALLY ILLEGAL. 9- Only 1 out of 15 will be paid, the CAPTAINS. 10- 14 out of 15 will lose their money. In fact there is thousands and thousands of LOSERS, all over the country, trying to get their money back. In fact, there is 6.66 winners and 93.33 LOSERS for each slice of 100 people joining this SCAM, the CAPTAINS. We have seen the most courageous VICTIMS coming to this board and being ridiculised by "A H" like Voice, the one calling himself "God...", "Pickled Brains"and Make 7000 that himself quitted a "so good opportunity"... 11- Most of the VICTIMS will be left with pieces of paper, with their only paper value, or nothing at all. They are said and encouraged to get more "VICTIMS" to cover their losses and recover their money. 12- Pro TTI people have been unable, up to now, to clearly give us a clear payout for only ONE, only 1 Gem-Pack, as any other LEGAL and HONEST organization can do easily. $ % Retail Price: ? 100% Wholesale Price: ? ? Retail Profit: ? ? Bonuses on group volume: ? ? Other overrides if any: ? ? Total PAYOUT: ? ? NOBODY from pro TTI promoters never answered clearly to that simple request, which is easily answered by any normal and honest company. 13- Mr. Stephen Knight, the TTI OFFICIAL appraiser, has been fired from the JJ international network of appraisers on beginning of November 2004, for ETHICS VIOLATION, as you can read CLEARLY on the Jewelry Judge's site at: http://www.jewelryjudge.net/SK.html . Read the letter from the international president of Jewelry Judge International. 14- In Canada, if you get caught, promoting an ILLEGAL pyramidal scheme, such as TTI, you could go to JAIL for 5 years and be fined up to $200,000 CAN. IN USA, it's a lot more than that, explaining CLEARLY why TTI has not started yet in the United States, as promised, fearing to be caught fast and go to jail for many years. 15- With a criminal record, such as Allan Kippax's one, you will be unable to pass the customs to go to USA. 16- You will lose your friends, your credibility and your respectability. 17- If you're ready to work hard and put time and dedication in it, there is a lot of REAL good and legal opportunities out on the market. You can find a lot of them on http://dsa.org . So... open your eyes BEFORE being caught in the TTI PYRAMIDAL and PONZI SCHEME!!! P.S.: Look how Voice and his accomplices are spending the money of their victims travelling all over the world, to Africa, Europa, South America, and laughing at them. Guess who are Voice and The Truth on the following list: 1- ALAN KIPPAX ADMINISTRATOR PRESIDENT & BIGGEST SHAREHOLDER 2- OLIVER KONCZ VICE-PRESIDENT 3- LAI CHOO NG ADMINISTRATOR SECRETARY 4- BROUILLETTE & ASSOCIES S.E.N.C.R.L. POWER OF ATTORNEY BUREAU 2300 1100, BOULEVARD RENE-LEVESQUE OUEST MONTREAL (QUEBEC) H3B 4N4 5- PAUL AUDETTE COMPLIANCE OFFICER 6- JOHN HAYMAN NON MEMBER OF THE BOARD MANAGER 2645, MATHESON BLVD EAST MISSISSAUGA (ONTARIO) L4W 5S4 or...??? (Message edited by WM-MW on August 21, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 380 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Still copying and pasting this nonsense? We’ve already shown you the “PROOFS” that this business is perfectly legal. Perhaps, you can point out a single law that this business may be violating without any misrepresentation of how this business is truly run… I didn’t think so! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1049 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
No "PROOFS"!!! All you have shown is a pyramid fraud where 8 people pool $1200, the crook Kippax (drugs, weapons and assault, lest we forget) skims over 30% and the captain pockets what's left over from the family, friends, co-workers scammed. The cycle is then repeated increasing the numbers of victims exponentially until it collapses. Anything else is nonsense!!! That is the law. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 386 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Actually, what we have shown is a perfectly legal business where gemstones are sold and profit is created. And like the president of any other legitimate organization, Mr. Kippax receives his share of the profit. The cycle is then repeated increasing the number of profitable distributors…and yes, even new distributors have an opportunity to create profit so that people at the bottom are not left behind with nothing. And I assure you that this is no twist of words…this is simply how the business runs. And that is the proven truth. God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 282 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.135.151 |
To Voice, The Truth and all pro TTI... When someone is interested to operate a new regular business, he/she wants to know the cost of the product to be retailed and the suggested retail price, in order to know their profit margin. When someone wants to operate a MLM or Network Marketing business, they want to know the total payout of the company, meaning how much the company is returning to its distributors, total, on a sale. They want to know more than their personal profit, margin, and discounts, according to the volume generated. They also want to know the % they will receive on the sales of their group and on how many levels, plus other advantages such as car and home bonus plan, health care plan, etc... So... my simple questions to all pro TTI people are: 1- Retail price of your product? 2- Your wholesale cost? 3- 1-2 = Your profit margin? 4- % returned on your downline sales 5- On how many levels? 6- % returned for cars, homes, health benefits, promotions I would appreciate to get an answer for only 1 unit sold. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 290 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.137.88 |
To all- As you can clearly see, after 3 days, pro TTI people are not even able to answer very basic questions or avoid to answer them BECAUSE they are operating an ILLEGAL pyramidal scheme and trying to answer my simple questions would clearly demonstrate they are an ILLEGAL pyramid. It is obvious from the pyramid's structure of TTI it is the same as the age old "Airplane Scam" and the "WEW" pyramid fraud and is in no way a legal MLM company but rather a product based pyramid fraud destined to mathematically collapse, which is why it is also obvious they are unable to answer these simple questions relating to MLM companies. They are not one. TTI's very recruitment structure is recognized by the Ontario Securities Commission, as well as other such agencies and private organizations battling pyramid frauds. It is nothing more than a product driven pyramid fraud and it is these frauds the Ontario Securities Commission is warning the public about. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 396 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
As you can see, after 1 year 2 months and 25 days of whining on this forum, those against TTI simply cannot convince government officials to put an end to this business….Why? Because this business is perfectly legal. God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 306 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.130.0 |
To all- Is This a Pyramid or a Legitimate MLM? By Jeffrey A. Babener © 2003 The Inevitable Question OK, you have either been recruited for a network marketing opportunity or you are the one doing the recruiting. Inevitably, this question will come up: Is this a pyramid scheme or a legitimate business opportunity? This Tuna's for Selling A Checklist 1. Product and Price 2. No Investment Required 3. Purchase and Inventory Requirements 4. Sales Commissions Sources 5. Buy-Back Policy 6. Retail Sales 7. Active Role for Distributors 8. Earnings Misrepresentations 9. Good Training Although this is a complex legal area, a simple story draws a clear line in the sand. Party No. 1 sells Party No. 2 a case of cans of tuna fish for $10. Party No. 2 sells the same case to No. 3 for $20 and so on until No. 9 sells the case to No. 10 for $500. No. 10 opens the case and opens one of the cans, which turns out to be rancid. He goes back to No. 9 who refers him to No. 8 and so on until No. 10 goes to No. 1 to complain. "I have major problem," he says. "So, what's your problem?" says No. 1. "Well," says No. 10, "the tuna is rancid, it's inedible." "So, what's your problem," No. 1 says again. No. 10 says, "Like I said, this tuna is no good." "Well," says No. 1, "the way I see it, you don't really have a problem." "What do you mean?" says No. 10, "this stuff is worthless." "You don't understand," said No. 1, "this tuna is for selling, it's not for eating!" And there lies the difference. Distributors in a network marketing program that are merely buying product to buy into the deal as opposed to an intention of really making a market for it, are really working a pyramid scheme, not a legitimate direct selling business. Remember, when you offer this opportunity to your next-door neighbor or your best friend, it's your credibility that's going to be on the line for years to come. What to Look for - A Checklist So, what do you look for with respect to legitimacy vs. pyramid? Here's a good checklist to consider. Product and Price Does the company offer a high quality product for which there is a strong demand in the real world marketplace? Is the product fairly priced and priced competitively with similar products? Can the product be demonstrated, and does it stand out when you show it to friends? Is the product proprietary to the company, and available only through its distributors? (Have you ever noticed that you can't buy Avon products in stores or Shaklee vitamins at pharmacies?) Is it backed up with a customer satisfaction guarantee? Is post-sales service or customer assistance available? Do the people who participate in the program buy the product enthusiastically based on its own merits, even if they don't participate in the compensation program? Second, No Investment Requirement Can you participate in the company's program without having to make any investment other than purchasing a sales kit or demonstration materials sold at company cost? Third, Look at Purchase and Inventory Requirements Can you become a distributor or sales representative without having to fulfill a minimum up-front purchase or inventory requirement? (When you are pitched to put thousands of dollars of inventory at the very beginning, run fast in the opposite direction.) Does the company's compensation plan discourage inventory loading? Garages and backrooms filled with product serve no useful purpose to anyone. Fourth, Look at the Sales Commissions Sources Are sales commissions paid only on actual products or services sold through distributors in the network to the end-user or ultimate consumer? (This means that products don't end up in basements and closets. They are used, because they have genuine value.) Does the compensation plan avoid paying commissions or bonuses for the mere act of sponsoring or recruiting? (If it pays headhunting fees, it is illegal.) Fifth, Check the Buy-Back Policy Will the company buy back inventory and sales kit materials from distributors who cancel their participation in the program, as long as these items are in resalable condition? (This policy is required in states that have adopted multilevel distribution statutes.) Sixth and Very Important, Look for Retail Sales Is there an emphasis on actual retail sales to end-consumers? Can the company demonstrate efforts to market products to the ultimate consumer? Do the company's distributors have ongoing retailing requirements to qualify for commissions? What is a "retail sale?" The industry and many MLM statutes include both sales to nonparticipants and purchases in reasonable amounts for personal use by distributors. Some regulatory groups, including the FTC, have historically rejected personal use as a legitimate retail sale. Stay tuned as this debate continues. The legislative trend is definitely supportive of the industry position. Seventh, Expect an Active and not Passive Role for Distributors Are distributors in the company required to actively participate in the development and management of their networks? (Many of the MLM statutes require that distributors perform bona fide, supervisory, distributing, selling, or soliciting functions in moving product to the ultimate consumer.) Eighth, Watch Out for Earnings Misrepresentations Do the company's literature and training materials scrupulously avoid claims of income potential that is promises of specific income levels other than demonstrations of verifiable income levels within its program? (The Federal Trade Commission, attorneys general, and postal inspectors all have their eyes on the matter of earnings representations. The acceptable approach emerging is that there should be no earnings representations unless they are based on a verifiable track record of the average earnings of distributors. For instance, a company should have statistics to show the percentage of active distributors and the average earnings of active distributors.) Finally, Look for Good Training Does the company offer its independent distributors solid training opportunities in sales and recruitment? Are different levels of training offered to match the increasing levels of experience and responsibilities of distributors? The Journey Begins OK, is this the end of your journey? Obviously not. You have now looked at some legal issues and its time to move on to some solid business analysis. But it's a great start. Jeffrey A. Babener Babener & Associates 121 SW Morrison, Suite 1020 Portland, OR 97204 Jeffrey A. Babener, the principal attorney in the Portland, Oregon law firm of Babener & Associates, represents many of the leading direct selling companies in the United States and abroad. www.mlmlegal.com | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 436 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Good thing we covered all this months ago. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1125 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"Susanna Friedl susanna@garygoodyear.com Thursday, September 1, 2005 9:22 a.m. RE:TTI FRAUD Hi David, We have inquired into Treasure Trader's, and have been advised that the organization is currently under investigation by the RCMP. We respectfully ask for your patience while they conduct their investigation. Our office will be in contact with you as we receive any news relevant to this issue. Have a great day! | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 312 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.147.67 |
To all, mainly Pro-TTI... Voiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice, You are DODGING the questions again. Answer the simple questions. No more spin doctoring!!! Still waiting that YOU, the so-called TTI specialist, give a CLEAR and SIMPLE answer to a very simple question for ONLY ONE sale of a Gem Pack in $ and %. 1- Suggested Retail price: ? = 100% 2- Wholesale price: ? 3- Retail profit (1-2): ? 4- Bonuses on downline: ? 5- Other overrides (car-house-etc.): ? Total Payout to distributors (3+4+5): ? I want that everybody here understand clearly that I'm not against any legal and legitimate REAL MLM companies, since I think this is a great industry. But... I'm clearly AGAINST people trying to promote an illegal scheme to other people, and trying to compare TTI's scheme to reputable companies such as Amway or Quixtar. All LEGIT companies can answer easily to the SIMPLE question I asked because they don't have to wait for NEXT sales to be able to pay their distributors. They can pay them on each sale made. I'm just proving here that TTI is totally per se ILLEGAL and a CLEAR Ponzi Scheme, even if hidden under appearances of legality. I'm challenging any TTI so-called specialists to answer to my simple question. God Bless tried with no success. Another one gave us a payout BIGGER than the selling price. Ask yourself why TTI so-called specialists cannot answer this simple question anybody from any LEGIT company can answer easily without turning and turning around the pot... (Message edited by wm-mw on September 10, 2005) (Message edited by wm-mw on September 10, 2005) | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1135 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The reason they will never answer those questions “WMMW” is because they are not a legal MLM. You give one person $1200. Your name is on the 1-winner-8-loser-pyramid-board the same as the "WEW", NASCAR, and decades old original "AIRPLANE" scam. If and only if each person recruits two more there will be mathematically and ultimately 1 winner 8 losers, if not there will be even more losers since after 10 days your money will not be returned unless your Captain feels a moral responsibility. If as a Captain you have been talked into multiple boards you will lose thousands. If you have the moral responsibility to return the money you and/or your “downline”will lose what has been given to Kippax. If the money is all sent to Kippax to be held until the boards are completed he will retain all the money from “broken boards” as a bonanza. You are never required to actually purchase a gemstone. A purchase order certificate especially without sales tax paid is not a purchase of product. Any knowledgeable credible lawyer or chartered accountant will tell you that. Do not be mislead by these crass vicious pro TTI or be “soft soaped” by Bruce Audley. A purchase order certificate is not a purchase of a product. This is twisting of words, smoke and mirrors, “flim-flam”. What do you expect from a convicted weapons, drugs, and assault criminal, particularly when his character was examined and found lacking by the Ontario Securities Commission in December of 2003 only weeks after this fraud was begun. Kippax does not dispute his conviction nor judicial treatment. Now, Bruce what special status and influence do you have with the government that the rest of us ordinary Canadians do not have. Who is the S.O.B. in the government you claim told you this business was “perfectly legal” so this nonsense could be spread all over the world assuring citizens TTI was legally O.K. ahead of an R.C.M.P. investigation??? Who was it Bruce??? dave | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 325 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.147.67 |
To Bruce- I know Dave can be a lot insisting sometimes but I really think we should have the privilege to know the name of the person who confirmed you that TTI is legal. Since there are millions and millions of $$$ at stake and so many potential victims, we should know who this person is so we can check with him/her his/her credibility. We should also be able to check out your sources especially when there is such an appearent conflict between your statement and the R.C.M.P. investigation. We know the R.C.M.P. agents do not move on investigations lightly and without serious cause. That's just common sense. They are not small town cops. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 449 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
I think we also should have the priviledge of knowing the name of the person who confirmed that TTI is illegal...oh wait a minute, I guess that's impossible because there isn't a single government agency that can stand by this accusation. Why do you think that is? Well, one reason is the fact that TTI IS LEGAL. God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 471 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Is it just me, or does Dave appear to reveal symptoms of Schizophrenia? http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-ps01.html Social and/or Occupational Impairment – he’s got no job and it looks like anyone he tries to get close to, seems to leave him. Obsessive Thinking or Compulsive Rituals – It’s very evident that he is obsessed with himself and his opinions. Regardless of the fact that his opinions have resulted in false accusations, he still continues to repetitively state irrelevant info. Irritability or Hostility – I think his posts clearly express this. I mean, who else in this forum but him writes a phrase like “YOU VILE ROTTEN SLIMY PIGS. I HOPE SOMEONE YOU SCREWED SMASHES YOU SO "GOD BLESSED" HARD IN THE HEAD YOU NEVER AGAIN KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR WHERE ARE. YOU DEGUSTING PIECE OF CRAP.” Poor Sexual Interest or Ability – well, he did have not one, but two, wives leave him. Overly Dependent Behavior – Before Bruce expressed his opinion with regards to the legality of this business, Dave seemed to latch onto Bruce for support and approval. Money Management Problems – He is broke and begs people to send money. What more can I say? Need for Institutional Care – We all know he’s been in a mental hospital, been to jail, and has had to involve the police on more than one occasion. Physical Violence – well, as he was being arrested for yelling profanity threw a bull horn, witnesses did say that threw himself onto a female officer. Makes you wonder if those rape threats were fabricated. Risk of Harming Self – I think we have all seen how many times he’s been talking about police eventually killing him. I think all his experiences could have easily been avoided but he seems to seek disaster rather than attempt to avoid it. “Self-destruction” is like his middle name. Distrust or Suspiciousness – Do the words “lying”, “sniping”, “misleading”, and “corrupt”, ring a bell? Poor Memory or Learning Ability – How many times have we have to repeat specific aspect of this business?...he obviously can’t comprehend even the most obvious things. It’s no wonder he still believes this business is illegal. This is just my analysis though. For all we know, he could easily be classified under some other scientific term that means “wacko”. Since we can’t really confirm anything at this point, we can just call him “Prisoner 1000325524”…that was your prison number right Dave?…but, I guess that would depend on which prison occasion we’re talking about. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1165 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
YOU WORD TWISTING VILE SCUM. WHAT LEGAL ETHICAL COMPANY WOULD EVER, EVER OPERATE IN THIS MANNER. THIS IS WHAT YOU DO TO YOUR VICTIMS AND FORMER DISTRIBUTORS AND PEOPLE WONDER WHY VICTIMS WON'T COME FORWARD. YOU ARE WAY OVER THE LINE YOU VICIOUS S.O.B. YOU TAKE EVERY THING THAT IS DECENT AND TURN IT TO EVIL . AND SIGN IT “GOD BLESS”. WHAT AN EDUCATION. I HAVE MET NASTY PEOPLE IN MY LIFE BUT NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS DID I IMAGE A WELL EDUCATED PERSON PREMEDITATEDLY VICIOUS AS THIS COULD EVEN EXIST. Then again witness the “BS_TRUTH”....... To cause all this trauma to victims then add insult to injury by using God Bless is repugnant, absolutely sickening and abhorrent Again, have you shown you wife and children what you are participating in on this board? | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 482 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
"I HAVE MET NASTY PEOPLE IN MY LIFE BUT NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS DID I IMAGE A WELL EDUCATED PERSON PREMEDITATEDLY VICIOUS AS THIS COULD EVEN EXIST." Really? I assume you've never met Gatordave then. Ooops...sorry... you said "well educated", right?...my bad. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1186 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Consider from where it comes readers. I realize "BS_TRUTH" self proclaimed from God, that people who do not have your education like that single mother are beneath your contempt and are only vicitms to be torn apart, dragged home for your family to feed on. that's the nature of the jackal | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) New member Username: the_truth Post Number: 12 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
In case you haven't noticed, an alligator being a creature of both land and water, has a much larger range of victims...from tiny insects to large mammals. And I highly doubt jackals have a preference of educated versus non-educated, nor male versus female. Just thought I'd point that out. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1231 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Have fun with that if you're that desperate at deverting attention from your illegal pyramid scheme!!! | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) New member Username: the_truth Post Number: 18 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Speaking of desperation, might I remind you that you’re the one begging for complaints and cash to be sent directly to you. For each day that passes that this business continues to operate without any government intervention, all you’ll have left for excuses is “It must be the corrupt government”. The bottom line is, this business operates legally. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1256 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Again "WEW" went on longer than this before people were reluctantly prosecuted. It is the corrupt government the same as Albania and the bunch of you are trying to obscure pyramid fraud as they did there and you won't be content until you have succeeded in destroying this country as corrupt officials destroyed that one. But why are you not taking this pyramid fraud to the US? So far my appeals to the FBI have saved that whole country from your illegal fraud. Why are you not into the U.S.? Pehaps the corrupt Michael Shibley of Industry Canada could answer that since he is in the position to have direct contact with the FBI and the FTC. Why are you not in the U.S.? | ||
| the_truth_ (the_truth_) New member Username: the_truth_ Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.129.7 |
To Pro-TTI You should do like me and open your eyes. God has just opened my eyes and I'm now on the other side. I'm no more using God's name as my signature. I was blind and my judgement was darkened by money. I was ready to sell my mother just for getting more and more money. I had sold my soul to Kippax. Thank you, God, to have converted me. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Junior Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 30 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
"the_truth_" Nice try... . I guess your motto must be..."If you can't beat 'em...BE 'em!" Glad to have you on the opposing side. I know you must be upset after you came to the realization that this business is legal, but pretending to be me might be revealing your desperation just a tad...don't you think? God bless. | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) New member Username: real_truth Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.128.31 |
"the_truth" What a turn-about! Ups and downs like that are really bad signs. Religious one day, euphoric the next day. Better to make sure you take your pills or to see your doctor fast. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1268 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Toronto Sun Sat Sept 24, 2005 Video of beating helps send cop to jail Judge rips gratuitous assault on defenceless citizen BRAMPTON — Cosnt. Roy Preston will spend this weekend and several consecutive weekends, in jail for punching Jama Said Jama, an assault caught on amateur videotape. In a judgement blasted by Preston’s lawyer and the Toronto Police Association, Justice Peter Wilkie sentenced the 37 year old cop to 30 days behind bars for the August 2003 attack. This was a gratuitous assault by a police officer against a defenceless citizen.” Wilkie said. “The court must send a clear unambiguous message that this conduct will not be tolerated.” Wilkie pointed out in his in his sentence that an aggravating factor was Preston’s actions after the assault. Those included falsifying his notes, making a fake injury report and charging Jama with assaulting a police officer — a charge later dropped. He deliberately set the justice system in motion against an innocent man,” Wilkie said. "Had it not been for the videotape, the defendant Preston may have been successful. Anyone with even a modicum of experience with police friend or foe if honest will tell you that is standard procedure in police investigations. It’s considered “building a case” against the accused as opposed to investigating the truth just for the sake of the truth. This Great Country looks less and less Great, Bruce Audley and the rest of your “swarming gang” you have aligned yourself with, and my complaints gather more and more credibility. I didn’t have a Video, but I still have the falsified notes of the non-existent Court Order, the assault that did not take place, and the proof the rape threat was never uttered, nor one word spoken the morning on the day I was arrested which was later changed to a screaming threat, as falsely claimed and exemplified and supported in the story above. And I (we) still have the bullhorn (temporally donated to an organization) that has been proven cannot be heard three blocks away let alone in a moving vehicle, engine running and window down. And those witnesses; highschool kids that saw my arrest in Harriston; the women who testified they didn’t hear the “F” word ever used and the dozens of others nearby that also witnessed the arrest, and now know their police are dirty liars and perjurers. It is pathetic what the police will allow members of the public to observe if they feel they can get away with it!! Adds to their extrajudicial powers. Who will stand up for their rights, or those of their neighbour or come forward with information against police when they witnesses police getting away with beating, perjury and falsified evidence? Isn’t that what is observed in a corrupt totalitarian regime? Police openly violating the law while citizens are fearing to speak out hide in silence? The judge made that clear when he observed “Had it not been for the video tape, the defendant (Preston) may have been successful.” Is there anyone willing to at least admit to a reasonable doubt in the cases you are ripping me apart over, or are you truly just an irrational lynch-mob angry simply because I expressed my views about a company based upon credible evidence and information found in books, reports by police and prosecutors and thesis by learned academics. Having said that, now what has all this got to do with TTI?? Simply that I have again been threatened by a cop for exposing TII . It was at the highschool in Mississauga a few months back as I handed out pamphlets. I intend to return notwithstanding an intimidating cop who threatens an unarmed senior with his gun and bully tactics and refuses to give an occurrence#. The beaten up victim because of a video managed to escape my fate of an ignorant bias judge Norman Douglas I “drew” who ignored evidence and is himself before the Judicial Review Council. And judge G. J. Brophy who ignored the obvious lies in the police officers notes and reports and trumped up evidence by perjurer Officer Brad Smith. Again, Is there anyone willing to at least admit to a reasonable doubt in the cases you are ripping me apart over, or are you truly just an irrational lynch-mob unconcerned with the truth, angry simply because I expressed my views about a company based upon credible evidence and information found in books, reports by police and prosecutors and thesis by learned academics? dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Junior Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 40 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
"This Great Country looks less and less Great" Personally, as I see all the stuff that goes on in other parts of the world, I can't think of any other place I would rather be than in Canada. If all you ever talk about is how unfair our government treats you, why the heck do you bother staying? You constantly refer to innocent people that are being sent to prison for crimes they haven't committed, but do you even bother to take into account the fact that a significant majority of people are in fact imprisoned because they have indeed committed a crime. Let’s face it, people make mistakes…therefore our government which is made up of human decision-makers will inevitably make errors. Really, what do you propose we do about it?...Do you expect our government to just let anyone off the hook when they say, “Your Honour, it wasn’t me…I swear!”? When the baker made claims that you did in fact scream profanity through a bullhorn, was the judge supposed to just ignore that piece of evidence? When a 7-year old girl claims that her 2nd grade teacher molested her, but the other 32 students in the class say he was the nicest teacher they’ve ever had, should the judge simply ignore the claim made by that one little girl?…I sure hope not! You claim to have been physically abused by cops on multiple occasions, but the other 99% of Canadians who follow the rules seem to get along just fine with the police force. Why do you think that is Dave? Do you honestly believe that they’ve got your picture up at each police station with a short blurb that says, “If you see this man, give him a good beating”? Personally, I can only assume that you are simply not playing by the rules and rather than avoid confrontation, you tend to instigate it. I simply make that assumption based on your behavior in this forum. Now, feel free to go ahead and continue labeling me as a “sick puppy” but I’m sure the readers can see what I’m trying to say. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1288 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Of course. And they deserve to be there!!. And didn’t I clearly state before; that I am not so cynical to believe the majority of people in Canadian jails are innocent as in some countries. The thing I have had my eyes open to, is that there are far more that I would have ever believed in both Canada an the U.S. jails, and that in both our democratic countries is appalling. The whole premise of democracy is not to just put anyone in jail on false charges because you don’t like what they say, or their politics, or the way they look ,or because you THINK they might commit a crime. You have not an once of justice in you entire being that I can detect. Not even enough empathy to concede and say “god that could happen to me. How awful to be beaten up and falsely accused.” You justify putting anyone randomly in jail because there are criminals in jail that deserve it. So, what you saying as I understand it, execute a few innocent people it doesn’t matter because most people in jail are criminals anyway. Besides, the issue wasn’t about guilty people in jail. It was about innocent people being beaten up in Canada and innocent people in Canadian Jails. With your attitude if you were in control it would not be long before we would be the same as the countries you propose I go to if I don’t like Canada. It is people like you that wanted a 14 year old youngster hung as an adult in Clinton not far from where I lived. Stephen Truscotte. Good self righteous Christians, for the most part, would have lynch him had they been able to get their hands on him.. You are so absolutely bound in hatred and prejudice that there is nothing I believe that I could say or any issue I could raise, or point out that you would agree with unless I said Treasure Traders International is legal.” And mistakes are mistakes I agree. But, a trained cop unjustly beating someone up then with premeditation falsifying evidence to hopefully also jail him and turn the assault around to what our society wrongly believes is a worst offence of assault on a police officer is no mistake.. A police officer with his power and training on how to justly use that power, sworn to defend and protect, that beats an innocent citizen and viciously trumps up evidence has, in my opinion committed a far greater crime than a common citizen who unjustifiably takes a punch at a cop. But that citizen will suffer a far greater penalty. But in your mind as God’s appointed “TRUTH” it must frustrate you to hell that this is all you can do to torment me. Don’t you long for the days in centuries past when self appointed men of God like you need only “round me up” tie me to a stake and shove a white hot poker in my throat and eyes. All the while uttering God bless. Isn’t that the real truth?? I didn’t ask to be “let off the hook”(acquitted) as you imply by saying “your Honour it wasn’t me I swear.” Again you “Christian” know it all gossiping bigot you weren’t there for any of it. You wrote ..... “When the baker made claims that you did in fact scream profanity through a bullhorn, was the judge supposed to just ignore that piece of evidence? No absolutely not. But was he supposed to “cherry pick” the witnesses evidence and ignore two female PROSECUTION witness with equal or better credibility one an axillary police officer who were the closest and testified they DID NOT HEAR THE “f” WORD USED ONCE You “Christian” sick bigot? And it is physically impossible to hear that model of bullhorn 3 blocks away. That is fact not opinion. It has been tried and witnessed. And the judge has been found by the higher court to be bias, and was during my trial (unbeknownst to me) and at this moment being investigated for his bias and bizarre behaviour. Because of the obvious conflict in the prosecutor’s own case, “yelling “f” every other word vis-a-vis two women never head it uttered once, my plea to the Judge was contained in his own words. “Your Honour you said “It is only common sense that sometimes people exaggerate and sometimes people lie, I will give you that Mr. Thornton.” I am asking you honour will you give me that.” (Reasonable doubt) Why do you think they testified they didn’t hear it? Christian bigot. You and your kind are about the most dangerous on a jury. But none of that will enter the mind of a bigot, particularly a “Christian” bigot. I have had success opening the minds of a few bigots especially racially bigoted, but never ever a “Christian” bigot. They are absolutely right and their gossip absolutely “THE_TRUTH” despite any facts!! This debate is wasted on you though, but it is good for readers to see someone with your bigoted “tunnel vision” exposed himself especially if they are ever called as jurors. And no, all professing Christians are not bigots to answer what undoubtably would be THE GREAT "I AM" Bruce Audley’s assertions. “So now Dave lets get this absoulely clear are you saying all Christians are bigots." And you "TRUTH" B.S.B.M. talk from both sides of your mouth. You wrote “let’s face it, people make mistakes…therefore our government which is made up of human decision-makers will inevitably make errors.” And isn’t that what I have asked? At least a mistake. But we also know many politicians, government agents and police are absolutely corrupt and some from all three categories have actually committed murdered. When a 7-year old girl claims that her 2nd grade teacher molested her, but the other 32 students in the class say he was the nicest teacher they’ve ever had, should the judge simply ignore the claim made by that one little girl?…I sure hope not! No the judge shouldn’t. But in their hast to judgement they should not “bury” evidence if she has made similar and proven false claims against fellow students, or generally lies to get friends in trouble, or if the police took her to McDonald’s offering her anything she wants if they tell them what they want to hear and is subjected to subjective sessions with so called “child psychologist.”and the teacher has an alibi placing him somewhere else at the time All of which have been proven to have been done in cases and more. But when three boys say a wealthy man molested them, and the man admits that to both parents, and because he’s wealthy and one of his lawyers Walter McGibbon is the father-in-law of the local Crown Attorney Wm. Morrison of Kitchener and also the Chairman of the Board of the local newspaper the K.W. Record and they have the power to steal the kid’s father’s business and all they helped their dad with, while their dad was in Hong Kong and Malaysia then threaten his dad who mistakenly takes his story to that newspaper and a bigoted United Church Minister Rev. Frank Morgan who writes a weekly column for that same newspaper and later he finds out was a padre for the RCMP that, you “Christian” bigot, is not a mistake. Now if you don’t want to hear this stuff don’t raise the issues. All I wrote was about a beating by police to support my claim police do such things and they did it while I was protesting police beatings and killings and involvement in “WEW” and TTI. Now, I can assure you there are those with “blood on their hands” in Kitchener that would rather not have this raised again. And then with your Christian bigotry as though you have not read a word I’ve written you write..... "You claim to have been physically abused by cops on multiple occasions, but the other 99% of Canadians who follow the rules seem to get along just fine with the police force. Why do you think that is Dave? Did you read nothing or it just cannot penetrate that bigoted mind???!!! Wide open question again with subtle unwritten but implied accusations. I was one of the other 99% of the Canadians and I was very industrious and on my own built a respectable honest business and somehow managed to get through all those troubling teen years without getting a beating by police, resisted peer pressured at parties to smoke pot and weekly binge drinking spending most of my time and what little money I had drawing house plans and making furniture and bits and pieces for the home I wanted to own someday. Gee maybe my problems came about because I don’t play by the rules of the game. Now, you asked the questions so don’t complain when you get the answers. And the explanation is this. And what was the game and what were the rules? Shortly after I’m in business at age 22, I am unfortunate enough by chance to be exposed to the law breaking of Ontario Provincial Police and wealthy citizens they are protecting and using intimidating bullying techniques and their mere intimidating persona to silence those they are oppressing. The rules of the game?” #1 the option of joining them. The offer was made. If not - rule #2 Ignore written Canadian Law, law for the protection of individuals and society, and keep your mouth shut. These people and their corrupt cop friends are above the law. That’s the game. and rule #3? Never break rule#2 . I broke Rule #3. I don’t like dirty cops and corrupt government officials and mistakenly believed there were officials in the process higher up who would deal with such matters. Sadly I was wrong. As a consequent of breaking Rule# 3 I was no longer among the (99%) of which more than 99% of those are never tested this way. A war was set in motion, that it was too late to back out of. I was falsely charged. It then took threats against me, an official’s slap in the face, a punch in the mouth, charges against them, conviction, removal of two top officials for violating the very laws they were enforcing, dismantling of an association, the dismantling of the entire labour committee, and the repealing of oppressive draconian laws controlled by “selective prosecution” by corrupt officials. And five years under continual harassment. Yep!! Didn’t “play by the (corrupt) rules. If you wish to be bored with further details keep asking the questions. But there is a limit!! A question I asked for which there was no response was basically this. I’ll make it a little more specific. If you see a cop snorting coke do you play play by rule# 1 laugh and join ‘em. Rule #2 don’t and shut your mouth, or break #3 (never break #2) on principle and suffer the consequences such as a self proclaimed “Christian” bigot questioning your motives, inventing and spreading gossip condemning you for “breaking the rules” without defining the rules. Answer that question please. It's simple. Join,... keep your mouth shut,... or “blow the whistle.” And there is applied common sense. Do you report a cop for spitting on the street? And if not, by the same token if you see him robbing a store at night and perhaps shooting someone do you apply the the same discretion. And somewhere between the two defines your own character and motives visa-a vis mine. dave. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1309 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I was asked on this forum how I knew Clarence Elkins is innocent. SOME THINGS JUST HAVE THAT RING OF TRUTH! AND SOME PEOPLE ACCEPT INJUSTICE. SOME WILL NEVER GIVE UP. AND SOME JUST MAKE FUN OF THE ADVERSITIES OF OTHERS!! From the “Free Clarence Elkins” website. Website.http://www.freeclarence.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2289&sid=49638a7e855adb9b17d9d3cdba35919e#2289 Everyone!! We have found a match on the DNA it is an exact match to one Earl Mann! He was a neighbor of my mom's. He was convicted of Rape Robbery and Assault. The Ironic thing is Clarence retrieved the DNA by picking up the cigarette butt from this guy because he was being housed in the same cellblock as Clarence. (Unbelievable) If anyone has ever doubted the power of the Lord they need to think about this). There is a press conference being held today at 11 in Akron ... There is an article in Beaconfor L Journal. We did it guys! Now let's pray for an ending to this and pray for Final justice in this case...Thank you Melinda | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) New member Username: real_truth Post Number: 14 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.155.85 |
To all And the real truth came from Melanie: "Message melanie (melanie) New member Username: melanie Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.194.130.13 Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 3:05 pm: TTI IS FRAUD..DON'T BE STUPID, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR MONEY...I DID! And so did a lot of other innocent stupid people" | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 73 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
So I suppose that now we are to just ignore the laws our government has in place and regardless of the fact that this business is still legal, we are supposed to go by what Melanie states simply because she says so…sounds a lot like the Gatordave theory. So where do I sign up to get this authority that apparently have been assigned to Gatordave and Melanie, which supersedes the rules that governs our land? God bless. | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) Junior Member Username: real_truth Post Number: 26 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.155.85 |
To all And the real truth came from Melanie: "Message melanie (melanie) New member Username: melanie Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.194.130.13 Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 3:05 pm: TTI IS FRAUD..DON'T BE STUPID, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR MONEY...I DID! And so did a lot of other innocent stupid people" | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 79 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
I think we heard you the first time. God bless. | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) Junior Member Username: real_truth Post Number: 28 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.155.85 |
To all No need to eat a full bowl of soup to know if it's salted or not. Only a tea spoon will do the job. And the real truth came from Melanie: "Message melanie (melanie) New member Username: melanie Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.194.130.13 Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 3:05 pm: TTI IS FRAUD..DON'T BE STUPID, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR MONEY...I DID! And so did a lot of other innocent stupid people" (Message edited by real_truth on October 10, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 82 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
I think we heard you the first time. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1352 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"B.S._TRUTH" You took no time at all jumping all over these innocent trusting, NOT STUPID WOMEN on this thread before I had a chance to even comment. You might want to watch what you're poking at here. There are thousands of victims out there and the only thing you have going for you gangster is that the victims are not yet united Now of course this further indication of the mathematical certainty To "PICKLED_BRAINS". Her situation is straightforward. The pyramids are collasping as matematically predicted and if these women were unfortunate enough to buy the junk gem stones then she relizes she was taken again. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 93 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Sorry Dave, I didn't realize you called dibs on the newbies. I just wanted to make sure they took a look at the issue from all perspectives before sending you their checks in the mail. I suppose you prefer that I wait for you to respond to them before I make any comments? Regardless of which of us posts first, it’s still not going to change the fact that this business is still legal. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1365 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You can do what you want "BS_TRUTH" But you have no interest in the issue being looked at from all perspectives, your purpose is and has always been to ridicule the stories, twist the truth and insult disgrundled "victims" calling them stupid and lazy. Simple as that. As I say...."the only thing you have going for you gangster, is that you choose to remain an anonymous coward and the victims of your crimes are not yet united. Your "Achilles Heel" however, is that you have a physical building at 2645 Matheson Blvd. E Mississauga where you might be visited by hundreds, perhaps thousands of disgrundled "scammed victims". Something to consider "big mouth" on the board. dave Gatoraid@sympatico.ca And remember no matter which of us posts first you are operating a cheap product masked pyramid fraud that is collaping all over on two continents as did "WEW" that TTI is cloned from as clearly predicted by police, on record, themselves. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 101 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
I simply asked Melanie, two simple questions: 1) Was it explained to you at the presentation before you came aboard, that in order to create profit, your objective is to create gemstone sales and assist your team in doing the same? 2) Did you follow through with what was explained to you prior to signing up? These 2 questions alone will tell us whether or not TTI lied or cheated her out of her money. As explained before, when someone explains the process from beginning to end, and asks that you do your due diligence before making a final decision…if you decide to agree with going forward with the procedures explained, but fail to actually follow through with it, then you can’t turn the situation around and blame the company for YOUR INABILITY to follow procedures as explained. By the way...you're still the "bigger mouth" on the board.  God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1394 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Those two simple questions, like just about everything else TTI says and does is masked in deceit fraud and “flimflam”.....quote “in order to create profit,.....to create gemstone sales and assist your team in doing the same..”..... What is withheld is the simple fact you must be “in the game early” before the recruitment pools “dry up in your area” and any potential victims already “scammed” are themselves trying to recruit victims and “dump” relatively worthless gemstones for, not 50% more than the TTI appraised value, but for anything they can get such as 3.3% on Ebay, ($45 for TTI appraised $1350 emeralds) almost worthless as stated!! It is impossible, as victims are finding, to follow through with...quote “what was explained to you prior to signing up”.... and that is simply because, those recruitment pools are “dried up”. It is exactly the same as explaining to someone “on paper” how to build a “perpetual motion” machine then blaming them for the fact it will not continue to run “once it is started into motion.” My actual simple question is this. In a town of 6600 people with a potential of perhaps 675 people that will participate in this scam, once 75 captains have recruited the available 600 victims.... where in that town are the 4800 new victims required for the next successful “$7000" payoff come from, and where will the new recruit’s (“phoney gem-sales”) come from that will propel even the original 675 into financial independence which is surly more than $100,000 Per year on a continuing basis? The figures required for that, even in a small town are astronomical. i.e. impossible and the TTI “perpetually motion machine” comes to a screaming halt with TTI and a few captains making thousands at the expense of the unwitting victims. TTI is a fraud in this month of October, National Fraud Prevention Month in Canada. Now, the answer to those simple questions alone will prove TTI lied, deceived and cheated her out of her money. You see the process from beginning to end was not quote "explained to her prior to signing up," as falsely implied by the “self appointed man of God, in reality the “FRAUDULENT_TRUTH”, and that is, the crucial “drying up” of the recruitment pools upon which the “whole TTI house of cards is built”. That is conveniently and fraudulently omitted. What we know is Treasure Traders International is operating the same pyramid fraud as the infamous "Women Empowering Women" pyramid fraud. It is unnecessary to ever touch a gemstone for 8 victims to be scammed by 1 captain for thousands of dollars, who it turn are "brainwashed" into working as a team attempting to recruit groups of 8 more until the pyramid collapses. The complication is the same as that of the great pyramid fraud “Women Empowering Women” in that police officers, lawyers, government employees and according to TTI “captains” RCMP and at least one London Ontario Judge are themselves captains. London Ontario of course was, and is, a “rat’s nest of corruption and coverup of pyramid fraud. Toronto and Mississauga being where many of these frauds are spawned. "Public exposure is the greatest threat to a pyramid scheme. Their own experts say that." ...Douglas Konkol IN CANADA THE POLICE AND GOVERNMENT ARE "RUNNING INTERFERENCE" TO PREVENT THAT EXPOSURE. IN AUSTRALIA AUTHORITIES ARE WARNING THEIR CITIZENS OF THESE PYRAMID SCAMS WHEREAS IN CANADA THE POLICE AND AUTHORITIES ARE NOT ONLY PARTICIPATING IN THESE SCHEMES BUT "BRAINWASHING" THEIR CITIZENS TO HELP PROMOTE THESE FRAUDS. THEY DID IT IN "WEW" AND NOW TTI AND DEPARTURE CENTRAL TO NAME ONLY A FEW. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1395 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I have just spoken to the RCMP in Calgary. Was told TTI was investigated and closed down and his belief they are no longer operating in his province. So the question.... is TTI operating "perfectly legally" in Alberta now or has TTI been routed out of that province? Now, "B.S._TRUTH" "B.M.B.S_VOICE" will you confirm or deny this for the readers. gatordave | ||
| voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason) New member Username: voice_of_reason Post Number: 10 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.158.75.116 |
Lies Lies Lies. David Thornton is a LIAR. "What we know is Treasure Traders International is operating the same pyramid fraud as the infamous "Women Empowering Women" pyramid fraud." The differences between Treasure Traders Legal Network Marketing Plan, and the "WEW" scam are so ridiculously apparent, that even Dave can see them, even if he chooses to ignore them. Simple things like the fact that TTI has a World Wide Headquarters that anybody can go to, to see the opportunity and the products for themselves, including ongoing training in the marketing plan and products. WEW never had this. Things like a CEO who travels around the country promoting this plan. WEW never had this. Things like a toll free number anyone can call to get information on the company and its products. WEW never had this. Things like products in general.......WEW never had this. Things like publicized opportunity meetings held in public places where anyone can attend. WEW never had these. THings like a compliance department working closely with the Competition Bureau to ensure TTI remains compliant. WEW never had this. And these are just the simple basic things that differentiate TTI from illegal scams. Dave Knows it. Dave can see it clearly. But if Dave admits it, it means less public spotlight on him, which is his whole purpose here: To promote him. And again with the saturation theory? LOL. Please Dave, we will listen to the courts interpretations, not yours, which very clearly state that MLM’s will not run out of people. But, we urge people to find out for themselves. Go to a meeting. Take the material to your lawyer, accountant etc and have them check it out. Call the RCMP, OPP, and Competition Bureau. See what they have to say. You will find out a couple of things. One is that it takes work to make money at this, and it isn’t for everyone. Second, and most importantly, IT IS STILL PERFRCTLY LEGAL after 2 years in operation. It will be still legal 2 years from now. And Dave will still be a liar, and will still be trying to clear his name from his past. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1412 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
None of the furnishing including a... lol... “World Headquarters“ fancy desks, board rooms executives flying all over the county, really ..lol.. “compliance department” to comply to a “scam script” etc., etc., can legalize a fraud. It didn’t work for ENRON or all the other corrupt executives with headquarters and private jet planes convicted of fraud. How ridiculous. Your like a little kid... “lair, liar, liar, David Thornton is a liar." We have a legal building so everything we do inside must be legal. TTI is obviously "Women Empowering Women" "Christians Helping Christians" "Circle of Friends" "Dinner Club" "Airplane Scam" etc., etc., etc. Same board same format 1 captain responsible for scamming 14 victims knowingly or innocently to get 8 of those victims money. The only difference is NOW ALL THE MONEY DOES NOT GO TO ONE CAPTAIN. There is one smart criminal, remember??? Drugs, (for whom) weapons (for what) and assault (on whom) taking a huge “cut” as he motivates people with a “pack of lies” to go out and scam the masses using corrupt lawyers, corrupt police, politicians, bureaucrats etc., to “run interference to the law” etc. etc. etc. The Junk gemstones are "an add on" absolutely unnecessary to conduct this fraud. There are however, two points I can partially agree with this gangster on ...... first quote “THings like a compliance department working closely with the Competition Bureau to ensure TTI remains compliant. WEW never had this.” We know from the RCMP and the Competition Bureau that the lies of Vice President Oliver Koncz that "TTI has lawyers on the Commission that regulates this industry... are just that. LIES. Not opinions, OUTRIGHT LIES. I do believe however, TTI IS working closely with Michael Shibley of the Competition Bureau. In my opinion it is TTI’s high paid lawyers and crooks that have the “ear” of Michael Shibley as opposed to the victims of their crimes, and Sibley is not “making sure” TTI is compliant but rather helping TTI further “cloak” their “Product Masked” pyramid fraud with his callow disregard of “cause and effect. Secondly, as pre this quote “One is that it takes work to make money at this, and it isn’t for everyone. True! But, at first in “virgin territory” it takes very little work until more and more people get involved then obviously it requires more and more time and work as recruiters bump up against other recruiters doing the same thing and also trying to sell junk gemstones for 50% over ridiculous appraised values when by now anyone knows than everyone can go to the “brainwash” meetings and buy this junk at the “cost” or simply wait and buy them on E-Bay as low as 3.3% ($45 for $1350-- lol–“worth of junk.”) After all it’s "junk gemstones" not food you require daily or at all. Then everyone but the last person who is ever going to get into this pyramid in anyone town has all the “distributors” working exceptionally hard to find her. Then when she is recruited everyone works extremely hard against impossible odds in a joint task of finding new recruits. A bit like sending a new labourer on a construction site for a “board stretcher.” And your right... “it isn’t for everyone. It is for crooks, gangsters, white collars criminals, con-men (of both sexes), flimflam artists and unfortunately innocent victims conned into believing it is a “perfectly legal” business that will lead them to financial freedom for their themselves, friends and families. I am surprised you even “stick you nose” back into this forum. It certaily shows what remaining an anonymous prat brings out of the “woodwork” What does it feel like to stand before the forum naked as the “Emperor” with your “family jewels” exposed still trying to convince everyone that it is only because of their lack of intelligence “they are actually able to see your “family jewels” instead of your “cunningly crafted B.S. jewel studded clothes.” Saturation is not a theory. It is fact. Your perpetual recruitment is a theory exactly like the theory of a perpetual motion machine. IT DON"T WORK no matter how you dress it up in jargonistic claptrap, “forced matrix” etc. IT DON"T WORK!!! AND IT AIN’T NEVER GOING TO WORK. And you have never explained in a town of 6600 people with a potential of perhaps 675 people that may participate in this scam, once 75 captains have recruited the available 600 victims.... where in that town of 6,600 are the 4800 new victims to be found, required for the next successful “$7000" payoff? And where will the new recruit’s (“phoney gem-sales”) come from that will propel even the original 675 into financial freedom which is surly more than $100,000 per year on a continuing basis? The figures required for that, even in a small town are astronomical. i.e. impossible and the TTI's “perpetually motion machine” comes to a screaming halt with TTI and a few captains making thousands at the expense of unwitting victims. Where do the gemstones sales and the new recruited distributors come from. Answer that “Emperor” with your “family jewels” exposed? TTI is a fraud in this month of October, National Fraud Prevention Month in Canada. dave “Dontgetburned.” And if you did “getburned”---- like being raped ---“SCREAM LIKE HELL.” TTI is not “perfectly legal” it is “PERFECTLY ILLEGAL” gatoraid@sympatico.ca P.s. And please don't ignore the supporting "true life" example of "fenando." "B.M.B.S._VOICE" Explain it!!! | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 124 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
"Saturation is not a theory. It is fact. Your perpetual recruitment is a theory exactly like the theory of a perpetual motion machine." So if saturation is not a theory and is a fact, perhaps you can give us an example of a fully saturated pyramid, legal or not. There are a number of network marketing businesses out there that prove saturation is mathematically impossible when it comes to network marketing. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1414 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I just gave you one.... You have never explained in a town of 6600 people with a potential of perhaps 675 people that may participate in this scam, once 75 captains have recruited the available 600 victims.... where in that town of 6,600 are the 4800 new victims to be found, required for the next successful “$7000" payoff? And where will the new recruit’s (“phoney gem-sales”) come from that will propel even the original 675 into financial freedom which is surly more than $100,000 per year on a continuing basis? The figures required for that, even in a small town are astronomical. i.e. impossible and the TTI's “perpetually motion machine” comes to a screaming halt with TTI and a few captains making thousands and TTI and crook Kippax making millions at the expense of unwitting victims. Where do the gemstones sales and the new recruited distributors come from. Answer that “Emperor” with your “family jewels” exposed? P.s. And please don't ignore the supporting "true life" example of "fenando." "B.M.B.S._VOICE" Explain it!!! | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 125 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Dave, that’s a hypothetical example…I think you’re getting carried away with your imagination (it’s ok, crazy, delusional people do that sometimes). When I asked for an example, I meant a real-life example of a pyramid that has proven to be fully saturated…not your make believe theories. TTI is far from saturated as there are millions of people who have yet to even hear about TTI…and just referring to locations where TTI has been given the green light to operate. We have yet to even cover the billions of people to sell these stones to as this business expands. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1417 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
A person writing about Financial Freedom for everyone on an imaginary ship sailing from an imaginary port to an imaginary island, and imaginary treasure, has the nerve to talk about hypothetical examples. Give your head a shake. Well go to Walkerton then, real place. A population of approximately 6600. They are unable to find their 4800 recruits. There are boards broken down and they're stuck with paper because they now realise the cost of redeeming the paper for emeralds isn't worth the addition money. And "fernando" is the living example of collapsed boards. Obviously it requires 400,000 victims to make captains of 50,000 previous victims just once. And a population of at least 10 times that many to find 400,000 victims. That's 4,000,000 population to be captain once. That 4,000,000 requires 32,000,000 x 10 (The entire population of the U.S. based on a generous 1 person in 10 joining this Mad Hatters Party) That’s saturation of canada and the U.S. Now that whole mass must somehow make 20 times $7000 each take, to earn a little more than $100,000 in one year which is hardly your B.S. "Finacial Freedom." Canada’s full 10% of the population being apprx. 4,000,000 consequently the saturation point is being reached with 50,000 and the evidence are the collapsing boards in towns and cities all over Canada and now England. It's right front of your face. You are in a state of total denial. I believe you are clearly the one delusional and requiring help to bring you back from you fantasy world of imaginary, ships, imaginary treasure chests of endless riches for all the world to share equally and everyone in the world will have dozens of emeralds, rubies, samphires and sell them to everyone else and total “Financial Freedom.” Isn't that the message in the hyped neetings and TTI's website? You have lost touch with reality!!!. You are the one who's delusional here!!! | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 126 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
"they're stuck with paper because they now realise the cost of redeeming the paper for emeralds isn't worth the addition money." You're telling me that the $0 to trade the certificate for $1200 worth of gemstones is too much? I'd hate to hear what they think of the cost if they won a FREE car...would the $0 also be too much in that scenario? So Dave, do you just pull these excuses out of thin air because they are getting more and more ridiculous as you come up with them. I can't wait to hear what other creative excuses you have up your sleeve. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1419 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Well let's see. Am I incorrect, and what I was told myself and more than once at TTI meetings an outright lie ...that if you merely take in the certificate to exchange for emerals first you will not get the 36% discount and secondly as a consequent will be required to apply your entire $1200 toward the "appraised evaluation" then be required to pay (in Ontario) an addition 15% of the "appraised value" of $1200 for taxes.... an amount of $180? This of course inherently designed to discourage anyone from receiving anything for this certificate the pyramid fraud part of this scheme. Now, a major question is this..... If this $1200 is a “generated sale” which you keep “flogging” why is sales tax not charged on those $1200 and remitted? If it is a sale it is subject to “goods and services” tax under the law and that is not being done.. Answer those questions dave P.S. I think your proplem is that no ordinary citizen has ever researched and "dogged" a pyramid fraud or a "white collar" criminals to this degree. Now can you answer that without irrelevant references to the bull horn and your lies that there was a restraining with regard to my first wife and all your other gossiping inuendo all done in the name of God? (Message edited by gatordave on October 19, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 128 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Dave, TTI isn't the first to include the cost of tax in the price. There's nothing illegal about that. For someone who claims to know their math, you surely seem to struggle with these simple issues. God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 130 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
“I think your proplem is that no ordinary citizen has ever researched and "dogged" a pyramid fraud or a "white collar" criminals to this degree.” And what degree would that be exactly? Oh, you mean researching it and labeling it illegal based on government laws that are non-existent? Dave, I think you’re giving yourself a bit too much credit for doing absolutely nothing useful with whatever life you’ve got left. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1422 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You are certainly entitled to your opinion..... “And what degree would that be exactly” you ask??? It would seem to me to the degree that if what I am doing is of no credibility, truth or consequence someone like you would not consume such an inordinate amount of time and energy trying to obscure and twist and discredit everything I say. I must say, I am flattered that with my limited grade ten education someone like you would feel compelled for over a year now to engage in “verbal jousting” with me. If what I have researched and express is B.S. you should have "NO FEAR" and go about your business. But for some reason your always here afraid someone might see the, ....how did "WMMW" put it ..... THE_REAL_TRUTH" dave ....... elevated by your constant attacks and actions to the title of “worthy opponent.” | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 134 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
By all means, be as flattered as you’d like with your grade 10 education. By the looks of it, you don’t seem to reveal anything beyond grade 6, but I’ll take you word for it. Replying to your babble has nothing to do with fear of your success because the outcome of you actions is predictable. After all, the business is still operating legally, so at this point, this side is till winning. Plus, I'm not the one who lost 2 wives for reasons that are becoming more and more evident. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1430 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Yeah coward I figured you’d be back at the wives again. Talk about “OFF TOPIC” Sicko hypocrite. What has that to do with TTI operating an illegal pyramid. And grade 6 education!!! Cheap Shot, Cheap shot. What does that say about a person who would argue for near on a year with someone who in his opinion reveals nothing beyond a grade six education. Funny. Every Judge I have been in front has gratuitously acknowledged “you are a very intelligent man.” They said it. From the very first lawsuit I launched alone at age 24 against the President of the powerful Ontario Barber's Association and Chairman of the Ontario Advisory Committee of the Department of Labour represented by a top notch lawyer;..I had no lawyer but won “hands down” and to the chagrin of the criminal I defeated was gratuitously congratulated by his lawyer I defeated. It was said again by the Judges on the two cases where the police put me on trail with false evidence for “cause disturbance,” a retaliation for attempting to prove police stole equipment and records, forged evidence and withheld crucial evidence in government reports, which again without a lawyer I won “hands down”. And the latest false charges of “destroying locks, and allegations of forced entry by forcing a locks, “B&E., and threatening rape I avoided conviction on by ripping their lies and false documentation apart. That Judge and even the prejudice Guelph Judge who convicted me on perjured police evidence and physically impossible evidence, and who at this moment himself is awaiting a disciplinary hearing for his bias and bizarre illogical behaviour and rulings, made a point of gratuitously telling me what an intelligent person I am. They said it. And likewise the psychiatrist who the cops brought me to on false allegations, who upon learning the truth released me. I believe it’s appropriate to use this in my defence against your sick attacks. Those are my credentials. Now, it only took a child with probably less than grade 6 to tell her daddy “Look daddy, the Emperor has no cloths” Now, your boards are collapsing. Your victims complaining. They can’t get through on the phones except to the receptionist because everyone’s in “meetings.” These are the stages of the collapse of pyramid fraud companies. Now we watch for the exit plan. You know what that’s all about. Peter Kippax U.K. is a old hand at con’s and pyramid frauds if you don’t know ask him. And God help you | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 138 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
“Every Judge I have been in front has gratuitously acknowledged “you are a very intelligent man.” Hahaha. Those judges obviously have never been exposed to this forum. And when they made that comment, was that before or after the gavel came down and you were officially found guilty for screaming profanity through a bullhorn? Because that act alone was definitely not too smart!  God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 139 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
“From the very first lawsuit I launched alone at age 24 against the President of the powerful Ontario Barber's Association and Chairman of the Ontario Advisory Committee of the Department of Labour represented by a top notch lawyer” I could only imagine what that might have been a result of. Hmmm…let me guess…you went to a barber and said, “Barber, I need a new look to prevent my wife from leaving me.”...and barber replies, “Buddy, I can give you a haircut, but if you want to keep your wife, you're gonna need more than a haircut...perhaps you might wanna go see a shrink instead.” God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1440 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You are sick!!! The content of what you wrote does not deserves a response. Your boards at TTI are collapsing you have complaints you can't deal with. You cannot talk seriously about anything. I am glad you have exposed yourself to the world for what you are. For a while, ....though you never fooled me a bit,... many of you posting at least appeared intelligent and lucid, misleading others, but these unabashed later posting show desperation in that the best you can come up with, is the relentless "bull horn" my wife, and a shrink. What this forum has done is exactly what I hoped it would. Expose what pyramid fraud artists are capable of. It is what the woman in Oakville Ontario complained of. That she and her daughter were laughed at and ridiculed by the filthy lawyer running the fraud as he laughed and rubbed it in" how they were going to spend her young daughter’s and her girlfriend’s money. Then the lawyer and the woman running the fraud claimed she threatened their lives and had her arrested. Absolutely bolsters my case. Jailed on a now proven “false rape threatening charge” accused of hiring a pig farmer to kill my estranged wife. (Her granddaughter, a child of 14, now convicted of threatening me with death because a piece of gossiping filth like you convinced her it was true) and that because I too attempted to get two women their money back. Only it was $11,000 not $600 and represented a tiny tip of a huge iceberg of corruption involving millions upon millions of dollars, corrupt police, lawyers accountants etc., that were involved in “WEW.” And “TTI” is the “clone” of that fraud with “distributors” who escaped prosecution and exposure now in this pyramid and ridiculing, and making up false rumours and threatening bodily harm. It’s all here “FOR THE RECORD.” You might want to hope that the victims of your fraud, don’t all find their way to this website and the ridicule and laughter on top of being defrauded and their lives altered. | ||
| pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage) New member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 21 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.157.83.225 |
And therein lies your ever transparent agenda. 3rd paragraph from the end beginning "absolutely bolsters my case...". Maybe you genuinely do wish to help others, but it always comes across as secondary to clearing your own name. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1447 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
What you interpret as clearing my own name is telling my story so it won't happen to others. Of course is someone is put in jail or gets scammed or walks into a trap, or has their business stolen by an illegal system of course they want justice. But it's selfish it you don't warn others of the dangers. The figures released of the number of people who successfully sued the Toronto Metro Police and won large out of court settlements are staggering. But they make a deal to settle if they keep quite and don't tell anyone of the settlement. That should be illegal in my view. So, the general public has no idea "what's really going on out there." That's selfish and warns no one and puts no public pressure to bear on a a police force. And how do I convince some one of the truth of what might happen to them if I don’t give first hand information. Have you never heard someone say "this is what happened to me I don't it want it to happen to others." And again this forum says “Tell us your story.” That’s what I find selfish, like the last pyramid fraud. Ventrally everyone remained silent because they thought it better for themselves. Even the thousands of victims. So now waht we have is the latest victims. All totally unnecessy. I told you I could have looked after myself and said nothing and been in great shape today. I have seen people who have solved their own proplems even with other's help. And when they are out their troubles refuse to lift a finger to help the other guy or even those who helped them. If you can't believe, what I'm telling you about my own story, when I obviouly have first hand information why would I think you would believe what I tell you about someone else’s story who's documents and transcipts I have only read, and can only tell you about. I can post my actual documents. The fact I can prove I was railroaded on false charges of threatening rape bolsters an exact same horrible story of the women who claims she was railroaded of false charges of threating death by people in a pyramid fraud but had no proof. Same as Jamie Nelson. In Jamie's case it wasn't until someone else was railroaded by the same women and could fortunately prove it that Jamie Nelson's conviction was overturned afterhe served 3 1/2 years after he lost his child because he could't prove he was innocent. And that's what the message is and it isn't getting out. People in this country can be sentenced to jail on the unsustuated word of one vindictive person. No evidence required. If I wouldn’t have gotten the suppressed documents to prove I was with police and Nichols, as stated in the police report, is a lair, I am convinced I would have “gone down” for threatening rape like so many other men who are unable to prove they didn’t commit the crime they are accused of. And even with that proof, and the fact I was not convicted for threatening rape, or break and enter, or destroying locks I am still hounded by people here still saying and implying I did these things. And if it is for amusement it’s sick. The locks were presented in court as evidence. These locks I was accused of “smashing off” and destroying. They were brand new, not a scratch on them, the key turned in them perfectly and the profession locksmith said they were in “pristine condition”. Nobody, not the police or the prosecutor bothered to consider totally undamaged locks against a charges of damaging and destroying locks. The impilcation of this is horendeous. Whoever gets to the police first wins. So, who goes to the police first? The unsuspecting decent person who would never dream of lying to police even to get his worst enemy, or a lair who wants to get someone out of the way? It's like a “legal” hit man. That can be now used for anything. Get a person out their home, business, out of politics, a business partnership, take the job of the executive above. It’s staggering. The dentist years ago in Kitchener who financial backed his nephew’s hard hitting news magazine. His nephew wrote a story in support of a newspaper that was going to run in competition with the 100 year old established press. He was charged with molesting a women in his office. Totally bankrupted his practice shattered. Picture in the paper, his house seized his belonging on the front lawn. When the “smoke cleared” like John Hudak the unjustly charged RCMP Officer he was finally acquitted. Unlike John Hudak he had to appeal to be acquitted. Months in court his life destroyed, never recovered from that. The appeal court judge stated that in his opinion everyone connected with in the prosecution of his case including the undercover policewoman should be in jail themselves. Those are political issues I was involved in, and into decades ago. And that’s why I feel strongly about injustices. I just never dreamed this could ever happen to me, but then I didn’t know how motivated the police and other were in my town. Had I known how many were all involved in a huge indictable fraud involving millions of dollars I might have been prepared for anything. But these were people I trusted. Many were supposed to be friends. To this day I can’t believe the people I found were in it. That’s not just spreading idle rumours and gossip, that’s attempting to expose crime and corruption, so students, seniors etc., won’t get scammed and another unsuspecting mother won’t end up on trail on false evidence and another old man go to jail for attempting to expose crime police were involved in. Surprisingly in the last couple of posts you almost sound genuinely interest in some of this stuff. These are things I’ve seen and fought in and for, during a log lifetime. dave The problem I am fighting now is pyramid frauds. Both without products and recognized product masked pyramid schemes. It has never turned out that I backed the wrong side of a political, legal, police issue or corruption issue, whether, in the case of the police, I was for or against police on the particular issue. I backed our fired police chief when it wasn’t politically popular because I did some careful research into some obscure details that convinced me he was set up. And he was eventually reinstated by the Supreme Court a victim of a set up by jealous deputies. It goes on and on. It's easy to close one's eyes and ignor what goes on in a community in a state of self emposed total denial. Now, back to TTI., its M.O., it's boards that are collapsing all over, and the people being hurt and the horrible experience of finding they have been “brainwashed” into unwittingly scamming their own family and friends, and the effects on the conscience of an otherwise morally decent people. And not having enough money to pay everyone back. The monetary loss, the loss of a dream implanted by cruel scammers, the embarrassment from co-works scammed. The humiliation at work. Worse the humiliation and cost of those quitting their employment. Further in debt if they are a student. Any of it a horrible experience to live with and take to the grave. As "fernando" points out. That is TTI!!! That is the “clone” of Women Empowering Women with the same mathematically predictable results and disastrous consequences. And all the denial, flimflam “and magic mushrooms” in Wonderland will not turn this nightmare into a dream of “Financial Freedom” That’s the stories we have been invited on this forum to tell others and discuss. dave | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1453 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Readers, Call Phone Busters 1-888-495-8501 Contrary to these insistent, relentless liars and their pawn Bruce Audley, Phone Busters has said straight out, Treasure Traders International is a pyramid fraud do not get involved. They are receiving numerous calls. I repeat. You are disgusting liars "B.S._TRUTH" "BMBS_VOICE" and the rest of you, leading people into this fraud. No government agency has officially said TTI is legal. That is an outright outrageous lie!!! TTI has been officially acknowledged as ILLEGAL. RCMP are investigating. But the recent revelations of political corruption at all levels of government should give readers cause to wonder and ask questions about "just what is going on here." You must call and/or email the media, police and your politicians and demand something be done. Thousands doing that simple thing they cannot ignore. Tell others. dave gatoraid@sympatico.ca P.S. “WMMW” and readers, these pyramid freaks won’t be going anywhere near the U.S. the message is finally getting through. The attorneys general of the U.S. are P.O. with these frauds. This same sick fraud below is TTI - different name- but, fraud by any other name is fraud. "Jeffrey A. Augugliaro, of Malverne, N.Y., is accused of setting up a fraudulent business called "People Helping People" to solicit donations for the "American Cancer Aid Foundation" and telling donors they would receive free airline tickets, A cancer patient hoping to use the tickets to fly to a hospital for treatment was among thousands of people duped through the sites, according to Spitzer. http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=172302868 This is the huge sickening problem of pyramid fraud, “Great I AM” Bruce Audley, you “over educated immature highschool debating snob” You debate with your flowery, semantic twisting B.S. while the real world gets hurt. With your skills you could have done so much months ago to help stop this!!! This link below is en example of people with integrity and “guts” (that’s intestinal fortitude for the “sliver spoon fed” flowery snob) This is what a news media should be!!! Read this it is TTI all over. The same obvious 5 RED FLAGS of a fraudulent pyramid scams. http://www.laraza.com/news.php?nid=27021 (Message edited by gatordave on October 22, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 154 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
It appears that Dave’s claims are nothing more than fiction comparable to stories of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. It looks like Phonebusters has not found TTI to be illegal as Dave claims. So as it continues to follow all laws, TTI will still be operating legally. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1505 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Phone Busters has stated that "Treasure Traders International is a pyramid fraud do not get involved." I believe no one in these agencies has stated TTI is legal. NO ONE! You have, I believe, shown yourself to be a liar. If not, post clearly, unequivocally, and unambiguously and on record, as I have, what government agency, individual, or police department has stated Treasure Traders International is “is perfectly” legal. Simple! Here is another “busted” product masked pyramid scam. http://www.gatewaynewspapers.com/coraopolis-moonrecord/54127/ PRODUCT does not, a pyramid scam make legal! And that again is the “Real_Truth” p.s. These are not "Dave's Stories" they are simply and obviously just posted by dave... FYI. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 168 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
“PRODUCT does not, a pyramid scam make legal!” Nor does a specific compensation structure make a business illegal. If it were illegal “post clearly, unequivocally, and unambiguously and on record," which law has been violated. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1515 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
At this point, that is not the issue. I was told more than once by people in official government agencies, Treasure Traders International is an illegal pyramid scheme. You claim people in these same organizations are stating TTI is legal. I say you are a liar. The issue here is, if that is not so, specifically name the branch of the police, an employee speaking officially for any government, agencies or individuals of authority who have stated TTI is legal!!! (the individuals name if possible) Again a simple question. dave. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 183 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Still legal. God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 189 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
“At this point, that is not the issue.” At this point, this is exactly the issue. If a business does not violate any laws, it clearly is deemed as legal. It’s obvious you’ve managed to skew anything that has been told to you that doesn’t support your senseless beliefs. For months you’ve called participants in this business a liar, yet you manage to spread lies about the facts of how this business runs. You tell us that the $1200 paid is not a result of the sale when clearly the receipt states verbatim “Option 3 – Redeem Cert. with no further payments and receive $1,200 retail value of gemstones”. Any supporting evidence that you’ve brought forward to defend the concept that this business is illegal has successfully been proven incorrect many times over on this very forum. Face it…you just don’t get it, no matter how hard you try. All government agencies continue to allow this business to run regardless of your claims. I mean, the RCMP, police, Industry Canada, etc…all have access to see the locations of the various Fleetports across the 2 countries…so why isn’t any action being taken if it is illegal like you say they claim. Why is there no info on any government sites telling us this has been found to be an illegal pyramid fraud? Why are you the only person that has been told that this is illegal while everyone else has been told everything but that? Is this really a government cover-up or could it be that it is in fact perfectly legal? We’ll let the readers decide! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1529 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Again avoiding the question." The point is, you were telling readers the police and government officials have stated TTI is legal. That's the big lie. You are unable to produce one agency nor individual that has stated TTI is legal contrary to such claims. That is what all pyramids have in common. i.e.. When "buying a diamond".... "Endorsed by the Ontario Management Board of Cabinet. This is a government entity set up to oversee, review, endorse and, or refute companies in the private sector. It sets up standards by which companies are measured. The review, led by a Government-level attorney investigates the companies business plan, management and structure, financials, etc. To pass the review and receive a Queen's Counselor endorsement is a powerful statement as to the viability and credibility of the company in question." Do you people work out of the same office? Now, what individual, or agencey stated TTI was legal as you claim. Without that, you are a liar. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 214 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
 God bless. | ||
| capn_blythe (capn_blythe) Junior Member Username: capn_blythe Post Number: 47 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 213.106.85.232 |
Hey Truth....Seriously...If I were you..I'd look to offload my TTI stakes....If History is anything to go by,Canada will eventually follow the UK's lead in deeming TTI illegal (for a precedent see WEW...seems Canada only follows other countries in tricky decisions)....Cut your losses and run...while you can! | ||
| voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason) Member Username: voice_of_reason Post Number: 53 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.158.69.48 |
capn' What you and Dave fail to recognize, is that the laws in the UK are different than those in Canada. Also, if TTI is found to be in violation of any laws either here in Canada, or there in the UK (remember, they are just suspended right now in the UK, pending whatever investigations are being done), just like ACN, and Herbalife, who were both charged for operating illegal pyramid scams here in Canada, revised the plans to meet current Canadian laws. Both ACN and Herbalife have been back in operation (legally this time) for quite some time. Even the mighty Michel endorsed those companies (which is ironic don't you think, since they were busted for illegal activities in the past, and TTI has never been...) Since TTI already meets current Canadian laws, this won't be necessary, but even if there was something found in violation, it would be amended, and TTi would be back in operation before Dave could gloat and finish his victory dance. What I find the most amusing here, is that Dave truly believes he actually had something to do with TTI's current suspension in the UK. WHAT A JOKE!!!! LOL | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1680 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Funny! First your argument was "TTI was operating perfectly legally and would do so this year, next year, and the years to come." WOOPS something wasn't perfectly legal. Then there was, "If TTI were illegal the government and police would be closing them down by now." So now that they're closed down by your criteria I guess they're illegal. Simple interpretation. We keep meeting your criteria and you keep changing your hypocritical position, like a greased pig. Then you write "Since TTI already meets Canadian laws..." WOOOOOOPS, That's what you said about the U.K. Laws. I said it was lack of inforcement of already existing law and WOOOPS you lasted 5 months in the U.K. and didn't dare even to enter the U.S.  Who says I don't have a sense of humour (that interesting Canadian spelling) I rest a little better, knowing at least school kids, ethnic groups, seniors, the finacially deperate and the rest in the U.K. are no longer getting "ripped off" by the Kippax's with the Great "I Am" Bruce Audley's blessing. God bless. Now that TTI's world has shrunk back to the beginning, and boards collapsing all over Canada, with little Financial Freedom in sight, it may be necessary to change the name of the Mississauga World Headquarters to Some-Of-The-Most-Corrupt-Canadian-Cops,-Lawyers,-Jewellers,-Politician-Government Agents-Judges and Mayor's-At-It-Again-Headquarters. Come on now "VOICE_OF_TREASON" trying to make millions selfishly helping to destroy the Canadian economy and any other country you "pirates" in the ship "Destiny" and crooks, like you, set your sites upon as was done to Albania. Admit it!! You are a hypocrite and liar. Finacial Freedom be damned! LIAR! gatodave CBN Get the latest at www.crimebustersnow.com victims post your stories there at CBN protected from these cyberbullying pyramid sicko freaks frauds & friends where it isn't cluttered with offers of b-j's and Audley sickisms.... Those posting can be reserved for these sick threads. No sense of homour you say!! What do you need a bunch of returned HAHAHAHAHAHA's and I guess a question to be raised is whether TTI is closed down before I get my bull horn operating again December 29th, I think it is, readers. HOHOHOHOHOHO (Message edited by gatordave on November 27, 2005) | ||
| capn_blythe (capn_blythe) Junior Member Username: capn_blythe Post Number: 49 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 213.106.85.232 |
I think you will find,"Voice"...that the TTI case is totally different than the two examples you give...For instance,TTI are going to have to go to Court and plead their case..(as states in their letter)...if it were just minor infringements...The DTI would have ordered TTI to merely make changes to rectify these minor infringements...NOT STOPPED THEM TRADING IN THE MEANTIME.......anyhow....Knowing the British legal system,I can see this dragging on Months...and maybe even longer than a year... | ||
| pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage) Member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 57 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.157.74.45 |
Hi Dave...congratulations on getting the bullhorn back online. I guess a question to be raised is whether the flower box will accompany the bullhorn to future protests. |
