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     shadow (shadow) Member Username: shadow Post Number: 53 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 149.99.202.166 |
there are no more dangers in TTI then there is in any business.... period! | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 635 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
There is no legitimate business I know of that would allow their distributors to come on the WWW and attack another distributor who was recruited and is having difficulty. Especially a fowl-mouthed woman like this new "know-it-all" distributor from Vancouver. "Danbel, why the hell are you so creepy? Do you fantasize about being sandwiched between hot, rich, English-speaking twins??? Is that it? Well you are a sick freak!!! If you knew what is good for you - you would back off. NASTY PERVERT! Now, SHADOW you are either completely "brainwashed" or a premeditated disgusting crook like Allan Kippax preying on ordinary trusting citizens. Explain logically, in a town of 6000 people, how everyone can possible become wealthy. Wealthy is far more than becoming captain once. It is impossible for every one to become Captain even one time playing this ridiculous game. That is why it is called a game there are predicable winners and losers. 1 winner 8 losers. No matter how many losers this game creates, the original crook who started this mess, dispicable Kippax always receives $2,600 every time there is 1 winner laughing and 8 losers created. Captains do not retail gemstones to acquire a $9,600 payoff they receive that from a “downline” of new recruits. (8 X $1200)- one $1,200 being there own start-up fee. That is illegal. As illegal as selling counterfeit goods for terrorism. Kippax is selling an illegal counterfeit “businesses model”. You explain logically how the whole town becomes wealthy. This is a scam, a fraud, and illegal. I can only hope someone, or some organization, the World bank, or another country like the U.S., or the U.K. or a group of countries will pressure the corrupt authorities in Canada to “shut you and the other pyramid schemes in this country down”. dave | ||
| lorie (lorie) Member Username: lorie Post Number: 63 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.69.255.203 |
Dave are you a complete moron??? Do you even know WHY she said that?! Danbel went OUT of his way to track down her IP address to the specific location of what area she lives in and posted it on the thread! Now tell me that's not creepy. If he's sick enough to trace her address he's sick enough to proceed further with his actions -- who knows what he's capable of doing. I'm still oblivious as to why WHY he did that? Or do you think that's normal Dave? To have a complete stranger track down your location of where you live and post it up for everyone to see. From what I see, it's as if your sick-twisted mind finds absolutely nothing wrong with that. Maybe that's why you went to jail. Think!!! You have tendency of defending the wrong sides. ~*LoRie*~ | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 636 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Another one down. A preacher this time. What about that, disgusting anonymous sniper who "bills" himself "THE_TRUTH" and signs “God Bless”. Not this time, this time he got “nailed” after taking his friends, family, and colleges just like you. Any of you crooks heading to the U.S. anytime soon. I am willing to bet you will keep the State of Georgia off your list. Check it out you crooks http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002265210_ndig06.html | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 637 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Tracking down someone’s I.P. address which is public knowledge has nothing whatever to do with........ "Danbel, why the hell are you so creepy? Do you fantasize about being sandwiched between hot, rich, English-speaking twins??? Is that it? Well you are a sick freak!!! If you knew what is good for you - you would back off. NASTY PERVERT!” Not a word about him trying to identify you. Exactly what happened to me. I simply began asking people in my town who was in involved in this pyramid scam with my wife so I could see justice done and get the victims their money back.. That is legal and protected under our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The exact same words were used against me, that I was creepy. Then I was falsely accused of assault, threatening and threatening rape. You sick feminists scum have it down to a science. When you want to get any man for any reason you follow the same pattern. Spread rumours, vilify a man with lies then outright accuse him of threatening, assault and rape. You’re young but learning early you degenerate. I can only image how many decent men you will destroy before your pathetic life is over. You even cannibalize you own gender for profit and viciously rip apart other women who refuse to tow your aggressive line. This is what feminist scum like you did to my wife until she change her statement from “there was no assault, no threat, no contact, no words exchanged I am not afraid” to “he ripped his clothes off and jumped on top of me naked and screamed at me and I was afraid for my life.” That’s all you have to do isn’t it. No proof, no witnesses, doesn’t matter what your original statements were you can do this and put men in jail for years and destroy their lives. Some of us are not going to take this crap without a damn good fight. You feminist scum. And I’m talking about feminist scum not the majority of decent women out there who simply want equality and agree women like you are disgusting and give decent women a bad “rep”. I also tracked down your I.P. as I would any other crook or sicko who is hurting the citizens of my country for the purpose of exposing you for what you are. | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 208 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
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| lorie (lorie) Member Username: lorie Post Number: 66 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.69.255.203 |
hehehe Make7000 at least your posts make more sense than Daves as well as the rest of the no-brained anti-TTIers. OoOoo let me guess!! The first smiley is you, then me, the angry one is clearly Dave (hello jailbird!), the other smiley is Shadow and well... the confused one I guess would best describe Bruce. P.S. - I almost have enough for my downpayment of my first LUXURIOUS condo! WooP wOOp!! Thanks TTI . ~*LoRie*~ | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 685 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Paid for by family friends and others in the community who will be the victims and losers. Will you have a security entrance and will you be able to face those you ripped off? Check out the sad stories from the Isle of Whight and other places around the world. Perhaps you feel your new condo is worth more than family, friends and community. I seriously feel badly for your parents and others who they will involve in this scam. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 246 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
For the record, TTI still continues to operate legally, ethically, and does indeed offer the opportunity to earn income through the sale of gemstones...in other words, not much has changed since the last time I was here. It also appears Dave still does not comprehend what network marketing is about, yet still continues to whine about how the government isn’t closing down this business…go figure! I don’t think the “Emperor” needs to worry about murdering any “whistle-blower” because there really is no “whistle” to be blown…instead, the “Emperor” is too busy laughing at the “court jester” who mistakenly believes he’s the “whistle-blower”. Dave, you’ve wasted quite a bit of time on a war you’ve already lost, and it still boggles my mind that you actually still believe you’re right. Perseverance, persistence, and determination can go a long way...but this just a bit overboard. Oh well, how you choose to waste your time is all up to you. I’m sure you’ll probably be successful at turning heads away from this business (of course that’s only assuming that, like yourself, people haven’t bothered to see for themselves the difference between network marketing and illegal pyramids, but in the end, your mathematical formulas remain inaccurate. BTW, has anybody managed to divide their two pies by one-half yet…I’m still trying to find the square-root of mine. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 758 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The mathematical formulas proving the fallibility of pyramid schemes including TTI that I post are not mine. These formulas are clearly recognized by law enforcement including the FBI and INTERPOLE and those who activity fight pyramid fraud throughout the world. The only reason TTI is not being closed down in Canada yet is due to the number of corrupt police, judges, lawyers and politicians involved in it. The threats are real. I have already looked down the barrel of a loaded police officer's gun and witnessed, in his eyes, the prejudice and hate of police exposed. I have also been "raked" through the court system several times on the perjured evidence of police and liars they were able to coerce, even otherwise decent people. The power of police to influence citizens testimony is enormous and is being revealed everyday as more and more people are being exonerated and released from jail due to tainted evidence induced, coerced and influenced by corrupt police. They would have little trouble, I surmise, enlisting you lot to lie to trump up more false charges. Call special OPP investigator Bill Sword Peterborough Ontario. Perhaps you can start a new conspiracy and cover-up. It is obvious you are morally bankrupt with no facts left that have not been torn to shreads with the truth. And again the simple truth is, without the completion of a sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above. You have nothing intellectual left to fight with. You must resort to nothing but your ridiculous and childish schoolyard bulling and ridicule tactics. The truth is out and the Emperor indeed has no clothes. Even that well recognized moral lesson in life taught for over a hundred years to children to enlighten them about hucksters like you lot, you treat with contempt and ridicule. You expose your own idiocy will little help from me!!! God Help You "Fake Truth" and Huckster Benny Hinn. You promoting TTI provide false hopes of Financial Independence, Hinn provides False Hopes to a young boy he will see again, and a 8 year old little girl with twisted legs she will walk again. Like you who make your predicable victims believe they are lazy losers, Hinn makes the unhealed children believe they are bad, lack enough faith, and do not love Jesus enough to be healed. After all Hinn posseses the power to heal them, it's their fault they are still crippled. It's enough to make decent people weep. You disgusting sick hucksters!!! P.S. What do you have to say about Phone Busters who are telling people it appears TTI is a pyramid and they quote from the CBC's story from Ottawa? (Message edited by gatordave on June 27, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 254 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
...and yet antoher excuse referencing corrupt government. So, perhaps the FBI and INTERPOLE must also clearly recognize that network marketing also can involve the growth through a pyrmid structure, otherwise Amway/Quixtar would've have been shut down years ago...just something you might want to ponder on...since you still don't get it. Sorry to add more fuel to the fire, but Dave it's so obvious you are wrong! Either accept it or keep wasting your time. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 769 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"TRUTH" (that is definitely "tongue in cheek"). Now, I can't figure out what you’re babbling about. Am way was apparently operating a pyramid or some other type of fraud and shut down like many other so-called network marketing companies. You appear to be trying to tell me most network marking is illegal fraud. And I agree, which incidently is the opinion of Robert FitzPatrick of Pyramid Fraud Alert who travels the world warning governments, appearing in court as a professional and appearing on T.V. Now what’s your point? You continually evade the simple fact that without the completion of any sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above. That’s it. Anything else is an addendum and pure B.S. And for that revelation, and the fact corrupt, police, government officials, politicians etc., and a Judge or two are involved in TTI and the former “WEW”pyramid I truly believe I will be killed or otherwise violently and unjustly injured or dealt with. And you still have not addressed the issue of Phone Busters passively warning citizens this is a pyramid and suggesting they not get involved. What about it? | ||
| happy_with_tti (happy_with_tti) New member Username: happy_with_tti Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.95.164.169 |
There are two sides to look at with TTI. Those against will say things very similar to Gatordave, and that is, "without the completion of any sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above." Those for TTI will simply argue, "You don't pay to get on a game board. You are purchasing product. Those that you recruit are actually sales you've made. If you make two sales, you will qualify for additional compensation." We can go back and forth all day, every day, for the next 10-20 years, as TTI continues to stick around. The only true mediator of all this is the law, and the law says TTI is legal. So does the US laws, as TTI is still slated to launch in the US late this year. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 258 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Seriously, do I really need to spell it out for you Dave? Come on now, if anyone here is babbling, it’s obviously you…there’s absolutely no doubt about that. I mean, you’ve been posting in this ridiculous forum for how many months now and time after time you’ve posted the same info you’ve posted months ago, and time after time you’ve continued to fail to bring down this legitimate organization that you claim to be an illegal pyramid fraud. You’re back at square one and you’re not making very much progress. You see, I’m not trying to evade anything, because in essence there really is nothing to hide. This business is out in the open for everyone to see, investigate, and understand….so regardless of whether you decide to continue to misinterpret the information presented to you, it really does not change the simple fact that this business really does follow all laws. So here’s your argument…”without the completion of any sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above.” Well Dave, let me ask you one simple question…when someone puts their $1200 towards the purchase of gemstones in this business, have they or have they not completed the purchase so that all they need to do is pick up the gemstones? This is a simple "Yes" or "No" answer, so we really don't need to post a 10 page essay. Now, if your response is “No, they must add another $600 plus taxes to complete the purchase.”…my reply will be “Dave, I'm sorry, wrong answer...look closer.” When you finally come to your senses and finally say to yourself, “Hey, would you look at that…a purchase is actually completed.” then we can continue. Until then, there really is no point moving forward because if you don’t understand this one simple aspect of the business, there is no possible way you’ll be able to understand it as a whole. We’ll go over how it is mathematically possible for a pyramid to go on forever and ever (and ever and ever and ever), when you’ve shown that you’re ready. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 771 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The law says the methods employed by TTI are illegal. Boards are stalling all over Canada because new recruits are running out. Therefore the person who has made $104,400 "on the board", in his fiancial "wake" alone, has left 87 people tying to recruit another 696 people for each of that Captain's victims to become Captain themselves, and that again is only one Captain. Multiply that by thousands of Captains and you get some idea of the enormity of this fraud. Anyone who cannot see that is either totally "brainwashed", or as a wise person said “true believers motivated by idealism and unaware of the illegality" choosing to remain "blind" to the facts or as this person also pointed out “individuals who use what she considers"brainwashing ... psychobabble" to recruit others and bring in money." The fact remains that to offer a scheme in which one person receives a financial gain by recruiting others to join that scheme is illegal in Canada. TTI offers a scheme that without the completion of the sale of any product can financially enrich a few at the expense of many. 1 winner 8 losers. 1200 x 8 = $9600. Now, no one has addressed the fact Phonebusters" is warning this is a pyramid and suggesting people not get involved. When is someone going to answer to that issue? | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 267 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Dave, I'm sorry, wrong answer...look closer. God bless.} | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 268 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
BTW, Amway is not out of business…but of course we know this is just one of the many lies you continue to post. You can visit their website at http://www.amway.com if you’d like to see for yourself. There’s also some info showing the difference between a business opportunity and a pyramid scheme there that you might wanna look at before you decide to continue pretending that you know what is legal and what isn’t…because the fact that this business is still operating really has nothing to do with the government being corrupt. The direct link to that page is: http://www.amway.com/en/BusOpp/business-opportunity-or-pyramid-scheme-10082.aspx God bless. | ||
| happy_with_tti (happy_with_tti) New member Username: happy_with_tti Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.95.164.169 |
1 paid out in each cycle (the sales manager or aka Captain), and 8 people with a real product at wholesale cost. Those 8 always have the opportunity to get to work, and make their two sales so they can go Captain too. Anything Phonebusters is saying I'd like in writing GatorDave. The reason being, TTI is STILL deemed LEGAL by Canadian legislation. Get an e-mail from them with the rep.'s signature and contact info on the bottom. Until then, it is heresay. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 773 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
“TRUTH” (sic) wrote "when someone puts their $1200 towards the purchase of gemstones in this business, have they or have they not completed the purchase so that all they need to do is pick up the gemstones? The answer to your question “TRUTH” (sic) is absolutely, unequivocally NO!! Recruits have completed the purchase of nothing but a piece of worthless paper stating “no cash value” and they cannot simply pick up the gem stones. Noone can complete the purchase of gemstones with that certificate alone as you falsely state unless and until they pay an addition min $180 sales tax for gemstones worth less than the sales tax itself or the other option; forced to pay another $600 + $270 sales tax for Gemstones worth less than that additional amount demanded. So the simply answer you demanded is No!! With that certificate alone no one can complete the purchase of $5000 TTI appraised value gemstones. And further to require distributors to purchase $5000 of product or any product is another violation of the Network marketing laws!! Look it up! However, TTI does offer a scheme in which all that is required is to give a Captain $1200 recruit two more people to do the same and if there are enough people left continue to do the same (TTI calls that duplication). Each successful Captain will receive Gross $9600 from a “downline” until the pyramid collapses, the same as the age old Airplane scam and the notorious “Women Empowering Women” scam. Now, "TRUTH" (sic) address my questions. Can a person put $1200 on the TTI pyramid pirate “gameboard” destroy the certificate, reach the position of captain, receive $9600, pay TTI $2600 and keep “duplicating” that procedure and never complete the purchase of a gemstone and never pay sales tax on the purchase of the certificate? YES or NO! Secondly, the question you refuse to address the issue of Phone Busters passively warning citizens this is a pyramid and suggesting they not get involved. What about it “TRUTH” (I choke every time I write that) Reader must be able to see where this is going. With corrupt police, politicians, judges, lawyers etc., involved with criminals in this scheme as with “WEW” there is a enormous power base to destroy the “whistleblower” with more false affidavits and malicious prosecution to manoeuver me into a Provincial Jail where I can again be beaten up by jail guards who, by the admissions of TTI “Captains” are in this fraud, or by just “blowing me away” as corrupt vicious racists OPP officers did to Native Dudley George. Watch it happen while the corrupt Attorney General’s Department of Ontario assists by inaction or direct participation. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 273 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Dave, I'm sorry, STILL wrong answer...look closer. Hint: You have a 50/50 chance of getting this right...let's see if you can get it right on your next attempt. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 785 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
TTI is a pyramid ripping off young people and seniors and the unsuspecting as well as recuiting criminals who know exactly what it is about. And you are one sick bastard. And the fact remains racists OPP "blew away" Native Dudley George for protesting a land depute. I am protesting corruption within the Police, the Government and the Judiciary and the Law Society that knows full well my of their corrupt lawyers were and are involved in pyramid scams particularly “WEW”. Police on the instruction of government can "blow me away in an instant." That lesson is clear. And you may be right they may take the longer approach and file more false documents and false allegation forcing me into a mental institution as they did Howard Gowan a Saskatchewan farmer who complained of the theft of half dozen cows. Check the McDonald Enquiry into RCMP Wrongdoing and check www.injusticebusters.com . Ask your RCMP and government about that one. They don’t like questions about that one. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 282 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Now Dave, let's concentrate on the issue at hand rather than constantly referencing past occurrences that have no direct relation to TTI whatsoever. You've been doing that from the very beginning and it really has no bearing on this case. Sure, you can argue how this past incidences can repeat itself, but alternatively I can argue how other network marketing business are operating just fine and how those who have opposed these businesses are alive and kicking…so quit sidetracking our readers and stick to the topic. As for TTI ripping people off, that’s just another lie that is easily exposed. For everyone that comes into the business and successfully personally sells gempacks as intended while ensuring their team is doing the same, they will be seeing profit. The only people losing are those who are not doing the work required. Face it Dave, if these people aren’t successful at creating sales, they’re not gonna see a cent …this is clear with every business…that’s the bottom line. If you can give me an example of someone who is running their business exactly as TTI has explained and is creating sales, but has yet to see income, then maybe you have a case. But right now, all you’ve got to support your view are people who haven’t made sales according to plan…so really there is no argument there. End of story. Anyway, your answer to the question presented is still wrong so when you get it right we can discuss this further. Until then feel free to keep wasting your time here. If you want to continue babbling some more, feel free. Keeping you off the streets is probably safer for all of us anyway…including yourself. Have a good day Dave! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 793 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I agree lets just conscentrate on the issues. The answer to your question, NO! absolutely not. a recruit's purchase is not complete with the certificate. The recruit must be relieved of considerably more money to complete a purchase of relatively worthless gemstones. A recruit however, can burn the certificate, buy no product, and still play the pyramid board "sucking" in family and friend paying TTI $2600 evertime he/she "sucks" in 8 new victims. That is the very typical "naked" pyramid fraud. Your "smoke screen" product is unmasked and your are a devious LIAR! | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 795 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
“TRUTH” (sic) WROTE "We’ll go over how it is mathematically possible for a pyramid to go on forever and ever and ever and ever and ever, when you’ve shown that you’re ready. God bless. Now we get to it!! Just read that line over several times then read Orwell about the future government and the mind manipulators like “TRUTH” “We will torture you until you say 2x2=5. Then we will torture you until you believe it!!” That is this psychological “mind bending” LIAR that bills himself as the self proclaimed “TRUTH.” He will go over, and over, and over, a mathematical impossibility until you say it. Then continue until you believe it. In the meantime TTI boards are “stalling” all over Canada because of the true mathematical certainty that pyramid scams cannot possibly go on for ever, and ever, and ever, and ever. This LIAR should be locked up in jail for perpetrating this fraud on children, seniors and the unsuspecting, and enlisting other criminals who know the scam, or if he truly believes his own LIES HE should be lock in a mental facility to protect the innocent people he is infecting with this propaganda nonsense. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 294 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Come on Dave, you can barely understand 3 simple options at the back of the deposit receipt certificate to answer my simple "yes" or "no" question correctly...so you're obviously not ready to get into the mathematical part of it. And nice try labelling me as the liar when we can all seen who is lying here (Liar=GatorDave). Keep trying, you may get the answer right someday…and if you never get it right, don’t worry, we won’t think any less of you. Good luck buddy! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 802 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Either TTI or the government must be paying you heavily to keep you churning out your lying propaganda. You say "undersatnd"??? It's not a question of understanding I "see through" your LIES. You continually evade the simple fact that without the completion of any sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above. Now, is it or is it not possible for someone with $1200 to play the pyramid board constantly without ever completing the purchase of a gemstone? To complete the purchase of a gemstone requires more money and added tax or it is not a completed sale. Any rational truthful person knows that? You are simply a paid LIAR. P.S. by the way I see you do agree that the rest is in fact an option which I have maintained all along. You can play a naked pyramid which definitley requires $1200, but the purchase of any product is an option. An option, absolutly unnecessary. (Message edited by gatordave on June 28, 2005) | ||
| happy_with_tti (happy_with_tti) New member Username: happy_with_tti Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.95.164.169 |
Gatordave, I'm happy to see your leading dispute with TTI is the fact that you can be part of the Sales Team Tracking Board, without completing your purchase prior. I'm happy to inform you that currently on the Extraveganza Boards ($30,000 Captain boards), the Option 1 is manditory and is taken out of Captain profits and that within 90 days, the Adventure Boards ($7,000 Captain boards) will also become manditory. It's taking a few months to catch up. Hope you are satisfied with these additions. Now, what do you say in regards to the 100 products you can trade your Gem-Cache for, including plasma t.v.'s, ATVs, Time Shares, etc., all under retail? Pay close attention to ttitrade.com in the month to come. In 30 days it will be officially launched with these products. All products will be at market value or better. Your certificates can be cashed in and used towards. Good thing not everyone bought their Gem-Cache right away eh? TTI has never been so good, and get ready ladies and gentlemen for it to get even better. P.S. - I am not salary with the company but simply a Distributor who is more than happy with this company. I look forward to all the products I can have in the months to come, in addition with the continual compensation by spreading the word to everyone I know! | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 810 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I also notice, if I am reading correctly that my prediction that the amount of money "invested" would increase, and can increase to whatever can be "sucked" out of individuals is now happening. This will result, as it has in the past, with people mortgaging homes, their kids education fund, and maxing out credit cards and losing everything they own. And as has happened in the past, lead to broken homes and suicide. Sure, a few, 1 in 8, will enjoy the “spoils” from the 8 victims, but the results will be the same as in Amway/Quixtar, other so-called MLM’s, pyramid frauds and Ponzi schemes where families split and some committed suicide. In the simple mathematics of TTI it is impossible for everyone to reach the top. Wealth simply cannot be generated in this fashion by all citizens as was the experience in Albania. Few gain at the expense of many. If our country does not learn from the past mistakes of Albania’s we will be repeat it here with disastrous results. The victims at the bottom you label lazy, stupid, idiot losers. I call them trusting, naive, mislead “brainwashed” victims. Those at the top start with “untapped” “virgin” pools. Those who sign up late will find those pools “dried up”. (Message edited by gatordave on June 29, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 296 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still clueless Dave? Ok, well I guess this 50/50 thing just isn’t working for you (good thing it wasn’t a multiple choice question…i.e. A,B,C and D). So since we can’t get passed this one simple question, let’s try another one related to the same area of discussion. From what I recall, there should be 3 options on the back of the purchase order deposit receipt certificates…pop quiz: What are the 3 options (verbatim) indicated? Feel free to use as many “lifelines” as you wish (I recommend staying away from the 50/50 lifeline though, cause…well, y’know...). This should help us understand how much you really know about this business (and trust me, this is the easy stuff). Also, neither TTI nor the government pays me to post here…nor do the corrupt cops, politicians, judges, lawyers, jail guards, government employees, government agents, teachers, accountants, doctors, babysitters, paperboys, disk jockeys, McDonald's crew members, Wal-Mart cashiers, Superstore rollerbladers, Dell computer helpdesk agents, car salesmen, Domo gas attendants, NBA basketball players, city street cleaners, auto mechanics, 7-eleven clerks, personal bankers, NASA astronauts, taxi drivers, financial advisors, travel agents, bar tenders, admin assistants, bus drivers, software developers, window washers, metal workers, seamstresses, professional skateboarders, supermodels, architects, project managers, marketing analysts, dieticians, university professors, warehouse managers, dog pound attendants, high school volleyball referees…etc. So accusing me of getting paid for what I write here is just another lie of yours exposed (but what else is new?). So, who pays you to lie consistently anyway? Take care Dave! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 820 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Your a LIAR and a manipulator, I will rely on those reading these threads to sort that out for themselves. You have the greatest weapon working for you. Few victims speak out and unfortunately many who lose don't even realize they have been scammed | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 313 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
In other words....you don't have the answer, do you? Enough said. I rest my case. God bless. | ||
| happy_with_tti (happy_with_tti) New member Username: happy_with_tti Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.95.164.169 |
Do you honestly believe Dave, the reason not everyone has made money at TTI is because the "pools have dried up"? Oh come on... I can stand on a major intersection in Toronto and I bet less than 1 out of 100 people I ask have never even heard about this company. Stats in the company will show that less than 1% of our population here in Canada have seen a presentation. Lots of opportunity. If your on the fence with joining, my "unpaid" opinion is you jump in with both feet and give this business all you got. An opportunity like this comes around every couple decades folks. Enjoy the ride. | ||
| happy_with_tti (happy_with_tti) New member Username: happy_with_tti Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.95.164.169 |
Do you honestly believe Dave, the reason not everyone has made money at TTI is because the "pools have dried up"? Oh come on... I can stand on a major intersection in Toronto and I bet less than 1 out of 100 people I ask have never even heard about this company. Stats in the company will show that less than 1% of our population here in Canada have seen a presentation. Lots of opportunity. For those on the fence with joining, my "unpaid" opinion is you jump in with both feet and give this business all you got. An opportunity like this comes around every couple decades folks. Enjoy the ride. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 823 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I have talked to several of your captains. One made $47,000 the other even more. Their "boards" have "stalled" from what he discribes as "lack of perpetual motion." He has "jumped ship" and gone to the "Airplane" scam where , according to him is the much sought after "perpetual motion." What a bunch of 19th century "B.S." Those "stalled" boards represent thousands of people "ripped off." Those thousands of people at the intersections in Toronto you mention I agree havn't heard of TTI. I also know less than 1 in 10 would get involved. There are still lots of untapped victims out there, that I have never denied. It simply means when the last are recruited there will be millions, by you own estimate, that will be left at the bottom with nowhere to go. Simple! Your posts so far have been pretty straight forward disscussions unlike the "double talking" psycological manipulater the false "TRUTH." I think you probably believe what you writing unlke "TRUTH" who's well aware he is deliberatly spreading LIES. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 316 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
"happpy_with_tti" you make an excellent point. Face the reality Dave, you know very well that there are tons of people who have yet to even hear about this business so there is no doubt that the lies and manipulation are coming from none other than yourself. If all the pools are dried up, who exactly would you be preaching to? Think about it. The only reason you accuse me of lying is because I have been successful at exposing your lies and you have no choice but to point fingers back at me without any actual facts to support your accusations (either that or admit you are posting lies, but based on your character, there's a good chance you will never admit you are wrong). The truth is that your knowledge of this business is very limited. You don’t even know what the 3 options are on the back of the certificate but still you think attempt to give our readers the false impression that you know what you are talking about. Those 3 options play an important part with regards to the accusations you make against this business, and if you don't know them then it's obvious you are wrong. Sorry to break the bad news to you this way. Hope you take it well! God bless. | ||
| jason_k (jason_k) New member Username: jason_k Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 24.150.149.101 |
Hello Everyone, I would just like to say that I felt the same way about TTI at first, I went to two meetings and got all my questions answered, did my research and found out that they are completely legal and was 1 of 5 companies in Canada to do 34 million dollars in a year! Plus 75% of the money goes back to its distributors and that is totally unheard of in this type of industry...and I have participated in a few MLM type of businesses and nothing, nothing has come close to providing what this company has provided to me and my family. My wife now stays at home with our 2 year and 3 month old, just like she always wanted. And I just quit my crappy job to do this full time. TTI is currently implementing new systems that will help protect the integrity of its new members as well as the old by now having the time leverage boards stay at the Fleetports permanently. TTI will now be collecting the funds preventing people from getting stung by the less honest people in the business and have also implemented POP....they say the best thing about network marketing is everyone can get it in and the bad thing about network marketing is everyone can get in....but if you think about it, even in your current job there’s the people you don’t want to get involved with. If you are smart you will align yourself with the people who are having success with this program. You get out what you put in, just like in life. I have been doing the business for a few months and I have accumalated $14,000 in cash and have $20,000 in gem-cash so I do know the system works. I work with my downline and I am always available to them. As this is basically a home business I also make it a point to let my clients know that if they have not made any money within 30 days, I will refund their money personally. This is how dedicated I am to ensuring EVERYONE WINS. I am now getting ready to get on the Extravaganza board and am very excited about making $30,000 cash and $25,000 gem-cache or trade dollars....speaking of trade dollars – this is a way you can utilize your gem cache. You don't have to purchase just gems anymore. You can participate in the trade side of things and they are accumulating new vendors on all the time. Right now they probably have a few hundred items for part trade and part cash. You can find stuff for your own personal use or to resell, cars, TVs, etc....I wish more people could see the opportunity here and run with it because there is a lot of money to be made. For some people the hardest thing to do is ask for help because they feel like they are failing and tend to lay blame. If you are having trouble with your upline, you can seek assistance from one of the Fleetports. I find that people are very helpful there, the company wants everyone to succeed – when you succeed, they succeed, that is how a time leverage board works. And TTI is growing everyday - they have training classes available to help you succeed. This is honestly the answer for the Average Joe citizen to make some money. Knowledge is power....and I believe that lack of knowledge, education or training about TTI is what causes most people to fall short. I mean if you start a new career are you required to get training and constantly learn in order to be effective in what you are doing...well this business is no different. You do have to work at this whether it be 5-10 hours a week or 50-60 hours a week – the difference is you can do it when you want, you don’t have to get up at 6 am if you don’t feel like it, but remember – you get what you give. All that you have to do to be successful in this business is when you are working make sure to put in a 100% in to what every hours you are dedicating to it....get training as it is important in order to handle the objectives and questions honestly. If we as a group aren't knowledgeable about our own trade, we make ourselves look bad. You are TTI so you represent TTI. This can change people’s lives and it can be done as quickly or slowly as you decide. I see both negative and positive feedback in this forum and that is good, it makes for lively discussion. I will not lie to you - there will be casualties along the way and some people will feel cheated. Money doesn’t come for free and you still need to get out there and work, it’s not as easy as for some as it is for others – especially if you’ve worked in a 9-5 job so long and that’s all you know. You get conditioned. Every person in this business starts with same tools and the same opportunity; it is what you make of it. If you are for some reason not doing well I urge you to talk to your upline or Fleetport for help...don't let this awesome opportunity pass you by. This business isn't for everyone so if you want your business to succeed remember this one little detail - select people who are motivated and see the potential...lame and lazy need not apply. You are only as strong as your team and this is a team effort. We haven't even moved to the US yet but I can guarantee it is going to make a lot of Canadians millionaires....So hold on tight man, we are going to set the world on fire...I hope I have been helpful to some people looking at the opportunity it is serious and it is for REAL. And by the way, for the people asking about the guarantee, TTI does have a 10 day money back guarantee that will be in force once the boards are all held at the Fleetports and I do believe there is a 3 day money back guarantee for the current boards that are out there right now. Discuss this with your current captain and if need be, feel free to get the Head Office involved to assist in getting you your money back. If someone has wronged you in anyway, I do suggest that you contact Head Office regarding that person’s compliance or lack of. If the above options have failed for you, feel free to contact me here. I am always looking for great people to work with and I believe in team – perhaps you got pulled in by someone of less than attractive character (people we are trying to weed out), our team would be happy to help you get on another board (not necessarily mine) and give you some tips. There are quite a few of us who meet for coffee after training on Saturdays so we can bounce some ideas around. Thank you for your time and best of luck in your business. May all your dreams come true...like Walt Disney once said "If you can dream it, you can do it." Contact TTI Local 905.602.1200 Toll Free 1.888.361.TTIC (8842) Compliance Reporting, Policies and Procedures Inquiry Email: compliance@ttico.com | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 839 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"HAPPY_WTH_TTI" wrote..... "Your the only one trying to be deceptive here GatorDave. You never in your 700 posts pointed out something illegal with TTI." The whole thing is illegal and is pointed out quite accurately by the RCMP on their website and dozens more websites. But like the “WEW” pyramid fraud that everyone now knows and agrees was illegal, the corrupt Government refused to close them down for nearly four years until the corrupt judges wives, lawyers, politicians, school board officials, doctors, accountants, people in the media, church ministers, etc., etc., had their pockets full of money at which point they prosecuted a few token “lambs to slaughter” (a farmers wife, a widow etc.,) then TTI was immediately started to fill the void so these corrupt government officials, police etc., could continue. In fact it wasn’t until the "fraud virus" entered the US and and really “ticked off” State Attorneys General that the Canada Government reluctantly closed it down. This is simply a re-run of the same corruption. Now, as you well know I am the only Canadian who has thoroughly researched this and has named corrupt police, politicians, school board officials, lawyers, people in the media and the Law Society of Upper Canada etc. And you must realize too that I am going to be killed just as surely as Dudley was for attempting to expose this and do something about it. I can only hope that someone in the world news media, or other power will stumble over this site and step in here and expose this to the masses, or the victims will have the courage to unite and complain on mass, otherwise I fear I will be killed. You think this is all a joke. Either you are ignorant as to what goes on in this county, and content to keep yourself that way, or you are knowingly part of the corruption. http://www.artspan.com/forums/read.php?f=6&i=134&t=134 P.S. No one yet has given a satisfactory answer as to why TTI has not taken this corruption into the U.S. Remember another TTI hollow promise they would open there last October? Months ago I reported this to the FBI, several State Attorneys General and opened a file with the FTC. So I'm still waiting to see if TTI is going to try to tap the largest market close to home, where crooks go to jail for up to 20 years for this kind of fraud. By the way Kippax how much time you get the last time for weapon's, drugs, and assault? And therein lies a good reason for me to believe with your millions, Kippax you can now pay someone to do your dirty work instead of personally assaulting or worse. You have the best on your side. Your have corrupt vicious cops. In the news recently one of the night club owners or associate in Toronto was found dead and it was reported there is reason to believe cops were involved. Certianly police have been threatening, intimidating and assulting people. That I have already experienced first hand, along with face to face threats from your Captains, Kippax. (Message edited by gatordave on July 04, 2005) | ||
| happy_with_tti (happy_with_tti) New member Username: happy_with_tti Post Number: 14 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.95.164.169 |
So what you basically are saying GatorDave is TTI is as corrupt as all the judges wives, lawyers, politicians, school board officials, doctors, accountants, people in the media, church ministers, and police officers who assault people at random. Phew..... I was starting to get worried there. Once again..from a Captain's stand point, I've never been so happy with this company and there tightening up on compliance. Everything in this company is very squeeky clean. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 847 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You seem to have gotten it, “HAPPY_WITH_TTI” albeit facetiously. It is a matter of record “WEW” pyramid was illegal. Token people were prosecuted even a token former politician’s wife and two daughters in the Durham Region. The names of the active politicians were covered-up like the example of the criminal activity of former Mayor Lastman’s wife. Frederick Wilson a dirty deceptive lawyer from Kincardine testified his wife was involved in “WEW”. (that’s fact and that’s on the record). She and at lest seven more prominent citizens although thoroughly investigated by OPP special investigator Bill Sword were never charged nor their names exposed. Even the investigation into the Kincardine Corruption by Sword was kept from the citizens of Kincardine and Canada. The general public were never informed that Sword had even been to Kincardine investigating these high profile people. I am the only person in Canada who has dared reveal this special investigation by corrupt OPP and the names of those involved including OPP Officer Bill Sword (gutless corrupt crime-covering-up-news media included). So, much for the proof of the corruption of police, lawyers, judges and politicians etc. And even a dirty slimy thieving Crown Attorney. And now to address your remarks about police random assaults. The court record of cases over the decades already adjudicated and investigations and Royal Commissions into police wronging, and wrongful deaths, involvement with organized crime, drugs, extortion theft etc.; the specific inquiry into the shooting death of Native Dudley George, resulting in the conviction of an OPP officer, the wrongful death of the 18year-year-old Native in Saskatoon in which police were convicted and are serving time in jail, and any number of police crimes in Canada that would keep you reading for a years full time proves my simple truth that police not only assault people at random, as you have in fact now seem to grasp, but also target individuals and “set up” situations with anything from brute force, false police reports, false rumours and perjury to cover-up and distract from their involvement in crime. Now, “HAPPY_WITH_TTI” you impress me as someone who has no idea what is going on in your country and it appears to me you seldom read news. Today Wednesday July 06 2005 Toronto Star page B2.... Quote... “The Toronto Court of Appeal has decided a former Crown Attorney who stole $48,355 from a memorial scholarship fund can serve part of his sentence under house arrest....” His name Bryan Davies One can only imagine how many young people, street people and the homless this slim has successfully prosecuted for petty shoplifting and theft under 200 bucks. Image stealing from a Memorial Fund. Why don’t you recruit this piece of slim and show him how to rip off just ordinary children, seniors, singles mothers, along side of corrupt judges, politicians and image even teachers, lawyers, police etc. who have, up to now, maintained the combined power to keep their thefts by fraud out of the courts and the newspapers. So, It should be apparent to anyone reading these posts that TTI criminals and its genuinely “brainwashed” are simply attempting to deny the undeniable, or as “VOICE” has pointed out “tell a lie long enough” and people will believe it....However...... “Truth can never be told so as to be understood, and not be believed. William Blake, The Proverbs of Hell” “Truth suppressed, whether by courts or crooks, will find an avenue to be told. Sheila Steele www.injusticebusters.com And that's what this whole thing is a suppression of the truth by courts, crooks, and media" | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 849 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
HERE WE GO AGAIN Ordinary citizens charged with fraud but without ties to the elite, the government or the judiciary will have their names published in the news. Who is this unnamed Calgary Cop charged with Pyramid Fraud. Is he/she the token sacrificed cop in another "secret hoard of them" in this pyramid like the other pyramid frauds permeating Canada promoted by corrupt judges, politicians, police etc., And will he/she get the "golden slap on the wrist" and the "wink wink" by another corrupt judge if this cop’s case ever gets to court. And in Calgary or anywhere if anyone out there has any information of a rats nest of cops or the like email me at www.gatoraid@sympatico.ca I'll publish this one's name or any other. Perhaps we will eventually expose a corrupt Judge. Maybe that corrupt London Ontario Judge. Has anyone the courage to give me his/her name? How about you big mouth “VOICE” or you “b.s TRUTH” you’re supposed to be running a legal (lol) pyramid according to your criminal president so why wouldn’t you want the country to know the name of one of your most (lol) credible and prestigious distributors -a judge-. I already published the retired OPP crook’s name in London CHUCK DOORE!! London Ont is a real “cess-pool” of high profile pyramid freaks. In the “WEW” fraud none were criminally exposed nor names published by the corrupt London Free (lol) Press or TV . (One of the top (over $100,000) fraud freaks Mhaira Walsh's husband is an employee of London TV Mike Walsh) Check out the Calgary Cop and the pyramid!!! http://www.am770chqr.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428109912&rem=13242&red=80110923aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm gatordave P.S. My so-called fantastic stories that “VOICE” and “b.s- TRUTH” repeatedly tell readers are lies, are certainly gaining credibility in the wake of convictions of cops for killing citizens, “railroading” them into mental institutions” threatening and extorting club owners, politicians for shoplifting, police for running pyramid frauds, a Crown Attorney for stealing from a memorial fund etc., etc., and these are only the tiny few on the tip of the giant iceberg of corruption that fell threw the well protected “net of deceit” that is our judicial system and had to be reluctantly exposed or semi-exposed. “Truth suppressed, whether by courts or crooks, will find an avenue to be told. Sheila Steele” www.injusticebusters.com | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 862 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The cops name is KIRK McCALLUM. It was in fact published (unlike Ontario) from an earlier broadcast. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 864 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
THIS IS TTI CLEAR AND SIMPLE http://www.cockeyed.com/ebay/scam/laptop_pyramids.html | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 875 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
In the news today July 11 2005. ..... Comments from the election in Albania last Sunday. http://news.ft.com/cms/s/4ca97c46-f1a7-11d9-9c3e-00000e2511c8.html “He resigned the presidency eight years ago amid turmoil caused by the collapse of five fraudulent pyramid savings schemes whose investors included half the cabinet and most finance ministry employees.” 5 schemes collapsed the entire country. And look who were involved! Anyone who believes, contrary to the revelation of names and positions posted by both pro and con TTI on this board that this is not happening with corrupt police, even (Barry Elliot) in the Phone Busters program, politicians, and other government people, and those corrupt officials attract, simply have chosen to "close their eyes and hold their noses". See no evil and smell no corruption. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 878 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Another Pyramid Suicide. Only thankfully it was the perpetrator rather than another "brain washed" victim who got family and friends involved. "Drama around convicted swindler ends in suicide Aftenposten - Oslo, Norway ... until his financial empire fell like a house of cards amidst fraud charges ... swindled fromangry creditors, both in the 1980s and in alleged pyramid schemes just ...... Continues" http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1078902.ece p.s. Wonder if he had a prior record of assault, drugs and weapons" | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 891 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
This is from the Dudley George Inquiry "In his ruling, Judge Fraser said he rejected Deane's testimony that he shot at an armed man preparing to fire on his fellow officers. The judge found Deane knew Dudley George was unarmed and then "concocted a story ... in an ill-fated attempt to disguise the fact that an unarmed man was shot." He also rejected testimony from two other officers, deeming it "fabricated." http://www.monitor.net/monitor/free2/ipperwash.html That is what the police and my government in Ontario are capable of. It is a classic example of the corrupt perjuring Ontario Provincial Police fabricating evidence as they did, and are doing to me. I have never owned gun, I dislike guns, but police have now caused false information stating I had a gun to be put in official files. All that is necessary is that police shoot me and put a gun in my vehicle. It's as easy as finding a person police know is a liar and willing to file a false report then give perjured evidence in court that "I threatened to rape my estranged wife." which is exactly what the OPP Officer did. It is corrupt OPP offer Bill Sword who was at the Dudley George shooting and who also investigated then covered up for the police officers relatives and politicians etc. involved in the "WEW" pyramid fraud and now refusing to do anything about the police,the judge, lawyers etc., involved in the TTI fraud. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 892 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
This is what the US military is doing to combat crooks like Kippax with their complicated double-talking pyramid frauds and "GO-Trading" schemes. "New program helps enlisted troops fight fraud San Diego Union Tribune - San Diego,CA,USA ... These include fraudulent Individual Retirement Account investments, Ponzi and pyramid schemes, illegal securities sales, Internet fraud and what is called ...cont http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20050714-1014-bn14taps.html And charges filed against other Chief of Police for fraud and breach of duty in another pyramid fraud that saw citizens bilked for millions. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/599787.html | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 222 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
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| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 324 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still operating with no government intervention...LEGAL. Facts are facts! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 949 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The simple answer to "FALSE TRUTH’S" question is that any RCMP officer regardless of their beliefs and evidence will tell you it is not their responsibility. The RCMP in Calgary after their initial investigation which convinced them TTI should be investigated as an illegal pyramid, passed their investigation to Industry Canada. The RCMP don’t care how illegal TTI is, they will tell you it is out of their jurisdiction unless they are specifically called upon to conduct an in depth investigation. So, we are back to Industry Canada which uses the excuse “there are so many fraudulent pyramid schemes out there we are unable to enforce the law.” (There is no excuse however, not to at least adequately inform the public so they are aware.) Now readers, this huckster billing himself as “TRUTH” does not want you to get anywhere near the truth. Call RCMP Officer Corporal Roussel Fraud Division 403-292-6923 I’m sure he will verify that the RCMP does not simply conclude these scams are illegal then close them down. That is what this anonymous crook would have you believe, and in the absence of such action then proves TTI is legal. As I have maintained all along he is a word twisting fact twisting liar. What he tries to get you to “swallow” is so far from the truth it is ridiculous and laughable. Ask this huckster who he is. This is the first thing you should ask him before you consider believing a word he says. Remember “CONSIDER_IT” he finally identified himself as Rob Moore from northern Alberta explaining his reasons and motives for supporting TTI as well as some of his reservations. It was he on departing this forum who stated on Jan. 08 2005 @ 1:52 pm “Oh, and “MAKE_7000" , You’re an asshole.” I would be genuinely interested in his views and observations of anyone he knows that got involved with TTI months ago. For the sake of truth. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 956 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
TO ALL I just got off the phone with Corporal Roussel of the RCMP He says that the natter was passed to Corporal McDonald then to Industry Canada. Now, although Roussel agrees that the mere fact TTI says the RCMP are not closing down TTI does not make them legal, he is really pissed off about the whole thing and as I said he doesn’t give a damn if TTI is legal or not or if TTI distributors tell the world they have the approval of the Better Business Bureau and have the backing of Industry Canada as some have done, and he could care less if the family in Mississauga is ripped off for $8000 or anyone else for matter including 16 year old children and seniors. He is pissed off I even brought this to his attention and slammed the phone on me. But the truth is because the RCMP doesn’t close TTI down does not make them legal. Call these RCMP Officers and ask them. 403-292-6923. They are the servants of the people and you have the right to ask them questions on law enforcement. So, although it’s a filthy lie that TTI is legal because the RCMP are not closing them down, it is me who is going to be killed by police if I don’t keep my mouth shut. The classic and literal case of “shoot the messenger.” Dudley George, “lest we forget.” . You see readers and Bruce Audley, this is how the Canadian Systems works to deny knowledge of “white collar crime” and political corruption to the average citizens who do not have special friends in the Attorney General’s Department.. dave. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 328 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 171.159.64.10 |
Or perhaps it's really just legal....simple as that. ...but I guess your story sound much more exciting...we'll take it! So when should we start evacuating this corrupt country that we live in? God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 969 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
For you corrupt individuals. The sooner the better. And I'm hoping your victims will join together to give you the needed boost. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 335 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Sounds good! We'll follow your lead! Please take us to the place that does not have a corrupt government (by your definition). Remember, Canada and UK are totally out of the picture...it appears Amway, a network marketing business that grows in a pyramid structure, is allowed in Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, United States, Uruguay, Venezuela, Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom, China, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Australia, Brunei, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand...so we'll probably wanna avoid those places too. Our options are a bit limited, but if/when you find a government that doesn’t allow these filthy pyramid businesses, why don’t you go ahead, and we’ll catch up to ya in a bit. Thanks a bunch...and may the Force be with you Gatorman! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 974 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You sure sound desperate, but, glad you're finally waking up to reality and finally in agreement with me. All governments are riddled with corruption ours included. Now we have clearly established that after over a year of denial, that's why it is up to right minded citizens in every country to take a stand against corruption like you by keep plucking the rotten apples from the barrel to protect what’s left. I don’t want to leave, I simple want our country to be cleaner, and if we can help other countries maybe we can have a cleaner world. If you corrupt scum would just leave this country voluntarily all the better. At least one country would be closer to ideal. | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 233 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
 looks its Dave after he called the RCMP and found out there is nothing he can do to stop TTI | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 980 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I wouldn't be too sure of that “7000". Now, you do remember Rob Moore from northern Alberta, "7000", who you "sucked up" to? Who, on departing this forum stated on Jan. 08 2005 @ 1:52 pm “Oh, and “MAKE_7000", You’re an asshole.” The rest is for reasonably intelligent people. What we have here is a company openly operating an illegal pyramid fraud and a gemstone fraud that is allowed to exist only by the lack of enforcement by authorities. The existence of this corrupt system was inadvertently acknowledged by Pro TTI who have admitted that the "Airplane Scam" Departure Central is illegal. It opened at the International Centre Dec. 04 /04 and has also not been closed down. Neither have known “crack houses”. Our government supports crime by inaction, and murder by omission. From the CIA website....... CANADA “illicit producer of cannabis for the domestic drug market and export to US; use of hydroponics technology permits growers to plant large quantities of high-quality marijuana indoors; transit point for heroin and cocaine entering the US market; vulnerable to narcotics money laundering because of its mature financial services sector.” Canada is a great country ........ great for drug dealers, money laundering and pyramid fraud. That is recognized world wide and by the I.M.F (G8 Summit). For decent people Canada is a good country unless you accidentally cross paths with these criminals and their cops friends. Or unknown to you they infiltrate your family. Then your opposition or attempt at exposing them will result in criminal cops, dealing with and supporting this criminal element, both passively and actively, destroying your life with many resources and known cop tricks, one of which has become the greatest and safest weapon.... perjury. However, we have dedicated people in this country opposing those continually attempting to erode the very foundation this country was built upon. “Truth suppressed, whether by courts or crooks, will find an avenue to be told.”... Sheila Steele, www.injusticebusters.com Following is a classic example of the attempts to erode our very fundamentals of justice. In this classic example is the creeping fascism in our country. . . . The whole judicial system is at issue -- it's worth more than one person . . . . Serge Kujawa, Crown Prosecutor in the David Milgaard case. Just ponder for a moment that statement, the implication and the thinking behind it. It was really the creeping corruption in the Judicial System prosecutor Kujawa was attempting to protect and defend by sacrificing David Milgaard, not the Judicial System as it was intended to be.. It is this fascist thinking by corrupt authorities we must “Stand one Guard for - O CANADA!!! and a system of inaction that in fact allows and protects illegal scams run by criminals - President Kippax: assault, weapons & drugs and now into the safer pyramid money laundering fraud with police, at least one judge, government agents etc. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 340 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
So now it’s NOT JUST the Canadian government that you believe it’s corrupt…it’s ALL OF THE GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD? Sorry if I sound rude, but that is the absolute most ridiculous piece of fiction you’ve come up with so far (ok, maybe some of your other stories might be a bit more ridiculous, but this falls somewhere at the top of the charts). No seriously…you are joking right? I mean, you actually don’t believe all these numerous countries ALL OVER THE WORLD are in conspiracy to protect the existence of what you believe to be illegal pyramids. I think it’s safe to conclude at this point that you are TRULY CRAZY…actually, it was safe to conclude that a long time ago, but if you actually believe that the opinions of a single man such as yourself are far greater than the laws created by governments around the world, then I think it’s not the world that is wrong and it’s really just you. It doesn’t take a math expert, lawyer, or gemstone professional to figure that out…all it takes is some common sense. Since it’s pretty obvious your mission to bring down all these governments will result miserable failure, I might as well say it to you now…”I told you so!”  God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 987 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Now B.S. “TRUTH”, First your anonymous secondly, your ridiculous. Here you go again setting up your own straw men then knocking your own B.S. You are absolutely ridiculous. I am not trying to bring any government down. It is your criminal element trying to do that as they successfully accomplished in Albania. I am simply and obviously trying to my part to clean it up. These facts are not something I made up. They are from the websites of the CIA, FBI, Interpol, Scotland Yard etc., etc., and echoed by ethical politicians worldwide and the IMF. I’m simply revealing these facts and the source., You ridiculous anonymous “white collar criminal.” Do reader see that it is these people law enforcement around the world are warning us about? You were pretty good there for a while, before the predictable truth began to immerge. Your now feeble attempts to confuse readers are just getting too transparent. It sounds like you are tying to tell us there is NO CORRUPTION IN GOVERNMENTS lol. Just like there’s no corruption in TTI. Still lol. You are a joke!! | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 239 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.136.39 |
To ALL Be very, very careful about smooth talkers like Voice and the other one calling himself The truth. FACTS-FACTS-FACTS-PROOFS-PROOFS-PROOFS 1- TTI has no positive opinion letter from Industry Canada or Federal authorities, binding on the Commissioner, that they can show you and us. Why? If they are so sure their system is legal, why not asking for such an opinion letter as other REAL and ETHICAL MLM companies do BEFORE going on the market? Such a TTI favourable letter, from the Commissioner, would have the clear and fast effect of shutting all of us, the ANTI TTI people. We challenge all Pro TTI people to come to this room with a copy of such a letter. 2- TTI is claiming to be an honest MLM company but is not a DSA or MLMIA member that represent REAL MLM companies. http://www.dsa.ca - http://dsa.org - http://www.mlmia.org - http://mlmlegal.com . TTI is not a DSA member since it would imply Mr. Kippax to be binded personally. Mr. Kippax could NOT hide himself BEHIND the corporate veil as he is doing right now with TTI. 3- TTI has a buy-back policy of 10 days for its customers and distributors, which is against the industry practices, they are claiming to be in, with MLM companies, that have a minimum of 90%-90 days and 1 year one up to an illimited period for all DSA members, for their DISTRIBUTORS wanting to end their relationship with a specific company, due to the specific nature of the MLM business. Feel free to check the Federal Government presentation, supporting ANTI TTI (CROOKS) claims at: http://mmprodnt.ic.gc.ca/mmpub/competitionbureau/content/language_select_noframe.html For the buy-back policy, just go to Slide 8, in Set TWO, and Slides 5-6-7 in SET THREE. 4- You have to wait for 14 members to be on your team BEFORE receiving your $500 on your first sale, $500 on your second one, and $6000 on your group: 2 + 4 + 8, for a total of $7000. 5- That means that you're paid for sponsoring, which is totaly ILLEGAL. If you don't sponsor, you get nothing save papers (certificates). You still have to GIVE a lot of money to TRY to trade your certificates with Go Trading, that is a totally newcomer on the market and is not known by the industry. In fact, Gotrading registered their domain name on March 30, 2004. You can check GoTrading is a REAL newcomer on the Whois site displaying the following info about them: "Domain GOTRADING.NET Date Registered: 3/30/2004 Date Modified: 10/26/2004 Expiry Date: 3/30/2005 DNS1: ns.gotrading.net DNS2: ns.gotrading.net Registrant 2024583 Ontario Limited 181 Greenwood Ave Toronto, ON (CA) M4L 2P8 Administrative Contact GOtrading.net Marketing Manager 439 King St W, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103476qqmt@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Technical Contact GOtrading.net Tech Support 439 King St w, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103478mcmk@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Registrar: Namescout.com" 6- Go to any jewellery store in your area and ask them if they would even accept to buy your TTI stones. 7- If TTI ceases its activities at any point in time, TTI will not have the money to pay ALL of its distributors since it is depending on newcomers to pay the CAPTAINS. 8- Only 1 out of 15 will be paid, the CAPTAINS. 9- 14 out of 15 will lose their money. 10- Most of them will be left with pieces of paper with the only paper value. 11- Pro TTI people have been unable, up to know, to clearly give us a clear payout for only ONE Gem-Pack as any other LEGAL and HONEST organization can do easily. $ % Retail Price: ? 100% Wholesale Price: ? ? Retail Profit: ? ? Bonuses on group volume: ? ? Other overrides if any: ? ? Total PAYOUT: ? ? 12- Mr. Stephen Knight has been fired from the JJ international network of appraisers on beginning of November 2004, for ETHICS VIOLATION, as you can read CLEARLY on the Jewelry Judge's site at: http://www.jewelryjudge.net/SK.html 13- If you get caught, you could go to JAIL for 5 years and be fined up to $200,000. 14- With a criminal record, you will be unable to pass the customs to go to USA. 15- You will lose your friends, your credibility and your respectability. 16- If you're ready to work hard and put time and dedication in it, there is a lot of REAL good and legal opportunities out on the market. So... open your eyes BEFORE being caught in the TTI PYRAMIDAL and PONZI SCHEME!!! | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 351 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still legal and still running... God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.136.39 |
Truth- Please, call Industry Canada 800-348-5358 and ask for Dominique Dion. They have totally denounced and refuted your propaganda b.s., b.s. “TRUTH”. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 364 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still perfectly legal... God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 273 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.134.66 |
To ALL FACTS-FACTS-FACTS-PROOFS-PROOFS-PROOFS 1- TTI has no positive opinion letter from Industry Canada or Federal authorities, binding on the Commissioner, that they can show you and us. Why? If they are so sure their system is legal, why not asking for such an opinion letter as other REAL and ETHICAL MLM companies do BEFORE going to the market? Even after many requests from us, we have seen NO PROOFS up to now, NOTHING... Such a TTI favourable letter, from the Commissioner, would have the clear and fast effect of shutting all of us, the ANTI TTI people. We challenge all Pro TTI people to come to this room with a copy of such a letter. You will see babbling and nice tries of shutting us, but nothing save trying to discredit and shut us by any means. 2- TTI is claiming to be an honest MLM company but is not a DSA or MLMIA member that represent REAL MLM companies. http://www.dsa.ca - http://dsa.org - http://www.mlmia.org - http://mlmlegal.com . TTI is not a DSA member since it would imply Mr. Kippax to be binded personally, as the president of TTI. Mr. Kippax could NOT hide himself BEHIND the corporate veil as he is doing right now with TTI. 3- Check the Better Business Bureau Report, about TTI, at: http://www.bbbmwo.ca/commonreport.html?bid=1080830 Like usual with their VICTIMS, no answer!!! 4- TTI has a buy-back policy of ONLY 10 days for its customers and distributors, which is against the industry practices, they are claiming to be in. Honest MLM companies have a minimum of 90%-90 days and 1 year one up to an illimited period for all DSA members, for their DISTRIBUTORS wanting to end their relationship with a specific company, due to the specific nature of the MLM business. Feel free to check the Federal Government presentation, supporting ANTI TTI claims at: http://mmprodnt.ic.gc.ca/mmpub/competitionbureau/content/language_select_noframe.html For the buy-back policy, just go to Slide 8, in Set TWO, and Slides 5-6-7 in SET THREE. 5- You have to wait for 14 members to be on your team BEFORE receiving your $500 on your first sale, $500 on your second one, and $6000 on your group: you recruit 2 that recruit 4 (2 each) that recruit 8 (2 each), for a total of 14 members (victims). Then and only then you get your $7000. You depend on the newcomers to get your own money, which is TOTALLY ILLEGAL. 6- That means that you're paid for sponsoring, which is totaly ILLEGAL. If you don't sponsor, you get nothing save papers (certificates). You still have to GIVE a lot of money to TRY to trade your certificates with Go Trading or otherwise. Go Trading is a totally newcomer on the market and is not known by the industry. Go Trading is a FAKE. In fact, Gotrading registered their domain name on March 30, 2004. You can check GoTrading is a REAL newcomer on the Whois site displaying the following info about them: "Domain GOTRADING.NET Date Registered: 3/30/2004 Date Modified: 10/26/2004 Expiry Date: 3/30/2005 DNS1: ns.gotrading.net DNS2: ns.gotrading.net Registrant 2024583 Ontario Limited 181 Greenwood Ave Toronto, ON (CA) M4L 2P8 Administrative Contact GOtrading.net Marketing Manager 439 King St W, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103476qqmt@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Technical Contact GOtrading.net Tech Support 439 King St w, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103478mcmk@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Registrar: Namescout.com" 7- Go to any jewellery store in your area and ask them if they would even accept to buy your TTI stones. You could also go on EBay and "discover" you can buy a lot of TTI "treasures" for pennies in the dollar. What a deal!!! 8- If TTI ceases its activities at any point in time, TTI will not have the money to pay ALL of its distributors since it is depending on newcomers to pay the CAPTAINS, which is a clear sign for a non-ending chain, TOTALLY ILLEGAL. 9- Only 1 out of 15 will be paid, the CAPTAINS. 10- 14 out of 15 will lose their money. In fact there is thousands and thousands of LOSERS, all over the country, trying to get their money back. In fact, there is 6.66 winners and 93.33 LOSERS for each slice of 100 people joining this SCAM, the CAPTAINS. We have seen the most courageous VICTIMS coming to this board and being ridiculised by "A H" like Voice, the one calling himself "God...", "Pickled Brains"and Make 7000 that himself quitted a "so good opportunity"... 11- Most of the VICTIMS will be left with pieces of paper, with their only paper value, or nothing at all. They are said and encouraged to get more "VICTIMS" to cover their losses and recover their money. 12- Pro TTI people have been unable, up to now, to clearly give us a clear payout for only ONE, only 1 Gem-Pack, as any other LEGAL and HONEST organization can do easily. $ % Retail Price: ? 100% Wholesale Price: ? ? Retail Profit: ? ? Bonuses on group volume: ? ? Other overrides if any: ? ? Total PAYOUT: ? ? NOBODY from pro TTI promoters never answered clearly to that simple request, which is easily answered by any normal and honest company. 13- Mr. Stephen Knight, the TTI OFFICIAL appraiser, has been fired from the JJ international network of appraisers on beginning of November 2004, for ETHICS VIOLATION, as you can read CLEARLY on the Jewelry Judge's site at: http://www.jewelryjudge.net/SK.html . Read the letter from the international president of Jewelry Judge International. 14- In Canada, if you get caught, promoting an ILLEGAL pyramidal scheme, such as TTI, you could go to JAIL for 5 years and be fined up to $200,000 CAN. IN USA, it's a lot more than that, explaining CLEARLY why TTI has not started yet in the United States, as promised, fearing to be caught fast and go to jail for many years. 15- With a criminal record, such as Allan Kippax's one, you will be unable to pass the customs to go to USA. 16- You will lose your friends, your credibility and your respectability. 17- If you're ready to work hard and put time and dedication in it, there is a lot of REAL good and legal opportunities out on the market. You can find a lot of them on http://dsa.org . So... open your eyes BEFORE being caught in the TTI PYRAMIDAL and PONZI SCHEME!!! P.S.: Look how Voice and his accomplices are spending the money of their victims travelling all over the world, to Africa, Europa, South America, and laughing at them. Guess who are Voice and The Truth on the following list: 1- ALAN KIPPAX ADMINISTRATOR PRESIDENT & BIGGEST SHAREHOLDER 2- OLIVER KONCZ VICE-PRESIDENT 3- LAI CHOO NG ADMINISTRATOR SECRETARY 4- BROUILLETTE & ASSOCIES S.E.N.C.R.L. POWER OF ATTORNEY BUREAU 2300 1100, BOULEVARD RENE-LEVESQUE OUEST MONTREAL (QUEBEC) H3B 4N4 5- PAUL AUDETTE COMPLIANCE OFFICER 6- JOHN HAYMAN NON MEMBER OF THE BOARD MANAGER 2645, MATHESON BLVD EAST MISSISSAUGA (ONTARIO) L4W 5S4 or...??? (Message edited by WM-MW on August 21, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 381 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Still copying and pasting this nonsense? We’ve already shown you the “PROOFS” that this business is perfectly legal. Perhaps, you can point out a single law that this business may be violating without any misrepresentation of how this business is truly run… I didn’t think so! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1046 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
No "PROOFS"!!! All you have shown is a pyramid fraud where 8 people pool $1200, the crook Kippax (drugs, weapons and assault, lest we forget) skims over 30% and the captain pockets what's left over from the family, friends, co-workers scammed. The cycle is then repeated increasing the numbers of victims exponentially until it collapses. Anything else is nonsense!!! That is the law. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 389 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Actually, what we have shown is a perfectly legal business where gemstones are sold and profit is created. And like the president of any other legitimate organization, Mr. Kippax receives his share of the profit. The cycle is then repeated increasing the number of profitable distributors…and yes, even new distributors have an opportunity to create profit so that people at the bottom are not left behind with nothing. And I assure you that this is no twist of words…this is simply how the business runs. And that is the proven truth. God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 279 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.135.151 |
To Voice, The Truth and all pro TTI... When someone is interested to operate a new regular business, he/she wants to know the cost of the product to be retailed and the suggested retail price, in order to know their profit margin. When someone wants to operate a MLM or Network Marketing business, they want to know the total payout of the company, meaning how much the company is returning to its distributors, total, on a sale. They want to know more than their personal profit, margin, and discounts, according to the volume generated. They also want to know the % they will receive on the sales of their group and on how many levels, plus other advantages such as car and home bonus plan, health care plan, etc... So... my simple questions to all pro TTI people are: 1- Retail price of your product? 2- Your wholesale cost? 3- 1-2 = Your profit margin? 4- % returned on your downline sales 5- On how many levels? 6- % returned for cars, homes, health benefits, promotions I would appreciate to get an answer for only 1 unit sold. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 293 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.137.88 |
To all- As you can clearly see, after 3 days, pro TTI people are not even able to answer very basic questions or avoid to answer them BECAUSE they are operating an ILLEGAL pyramidal scheme and trying to answer my simple questions would clearly demonstrate they are an ILLEGAL pyramid. It is obvious from the pyramid's structure of TTI it is the same as the age old "Airplane Scam" and the "WEW" pyramid fraud and is in no way a legal MLM company but rather a product based pyramid fraud destined to mathematically collapse, which is why it is also obvious they are unable to answer these simple questions relating to MLM companies. They are not one. TTI's very recruitment structure is recognized by the Ontario Securities Commission, as well as other such agencies and private organizations battling pyramid frauds. It is nothing more than a product driven pyramid fraud and it is these frauds the Ontario Securities Commission is warning the public about. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 394 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
As you can see, after 1 year 2 months and 25 days of whining on this forum, those against TTI simply cannot convince government officials to put an end to this business….Why? Because this business is perfectly legal. God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 307 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.130.0 |
To all- Is This a Pyramid or a Legitimate MLM? By Jeffrey A. Babener © 2003 The Inevitable Question OK, you have either been recruited for a network marketing opportunity or you are the one doing the recruiting. Inevitably, this question will come up: Is this a pyramid scheme or a legitimate business opportunity? This Tuna's for Selling A Checklist 1. Product and Price 2. No Investment Required 3. Purchase and Inventory Requirements 4. Sales Commissions Sources 5. Buy-Back Policy 6. Retail Sales 7. Active Role for Distributors 8. Earnings Misrepresentations 9. Good Training Although this is a complex legal area, a simple story draws a clear line in the sand. Party No. 1 sells Party No. 2 a case of cans of tuna fish for $10. Party No. 2 sells the same case to No. 3 for $20 and so on until No. 9 sells the case to No. 10 for $500. No. 10 opens the case and opens one of the cans, which turns out to be rancid. He goes back to No. 9 who refers him to No. 8 and so on until No. 10 goes to No. 1 to complain. "I have major problem," he says. "So, what's your problem?" says No. 1. "Well," says No. 10, "the tuna is rancid, it's inedible." "So, what's your problem," No. 1 says again. No. 10 says, "Like I said, this tuna is no good." "Well," says No. 1, "the way I see it, you don't really have a problem." "What do you mean?" says No. 10, "this stuff is worthless." "You don't understand," said No. 1, "this tuna is for selling, it's not for eating!" And there lies the difference. Distributors in a network marketing program that are merely buying product to buy into the deal as opposed to an intention of really making a market for it, are really working a pyramid scheme, not a legitimate direct selling business. Remember, when you offer this opportunity to your next-door neighbor or your best friend, it's your credibility that's going to be on the line for years to come. What to Look for - A Checklist So, what do you look for with respect to legitimacy vs. pyramid? Here's a good checklist to consider. Product and Price Does the company offer a high quality product for which there is a strong demand in the real world marketplace? Is the product fairly priced and priced competitively with similar products? Can the product be demonstrated, and does it stand out when you show it to friends? Is the product proprietary to the company, and available only through its distributors? (Have you ever noticed that you can't buy Avon products in stores or Shaklee vitamins at pharmacies?) Is it backed up with a customer satisfaction guarantee? Is post-sales service or customer assistance available? Do the people who participate in the program buy the product enthusiastically based on its own merits, even if they don't participate in the compensation program? Second, No Investment Requirement Can you participate in the company's program without having to make any investment other than purchasing a sales kit or demonstration materials sold at company cost? Third, Look at Purchase and Inventory Requirements Can you become a distributor or sales representative without having to fulfill a minimum up-front purchase or inventory requirement? (When you are pitched to put thousands of dollars of inventory at the very beginning, run fast in the opposite direction.) Does the company's compensation plan discourage inventory loading? Garages and backrooms filled with product serve no useful purpose to anyone. Fourth, Look at the Sales Commissions Sources Are sales commissions paid only on actual products or services sold through distributors in the network to the end-user or ultimate consumer? (This means that products don't end up in basements and closets. They are used, because they have genuine value.) Does the compensation plan avoid paying commissions or bonuses for the mere act of sponsoring or recruiting? (If it pays headhunting fees, it is illegal.) Fifth, Check the Buy-Back Policy Will the company buy back inventory and sales kit materials from distributors who cancel their participation in the program, as long as these items are in resalable condition? (This policy is required in states that have adopted multilevel distribution statutes.) Sixth and Very Important, Look for Retail Sales Is there an emphasis on actual retail sales to end-consumers? Can the company demonstrate efforts to market products to the ultimate consumer? Do the company's distributors have ongoing retailing requirements to qualify for commissions? What is a "retail sale?" The industry and many MLM statutes include both sales to nonparticipants and purchases in reasonable amounts for personal use by distributors. Some regulatory groups, including the FTC, have historically rejected personal use as a legitimate retail sale. Stay tuned as this debate continues. The legislative trend is definitely supportive of the industry position. Seventh, Expect an Active and not Passive Role for Distributors Are distributors in the company required to actively participate in the development and management of their networks? (Many of the MLM statutes require that distributors perform bona fide, supervisory, distributing, selling, or soliciting functions in moving product to the ultimate consumer.) Eighth, Watch Out for Earnings Misrepresentations Do the company's literature and training materials scrupulously avoid claims of income potential that is promises of specific income levels other than demonstrations of verifiable income levels within its program? (The Federal Trade Commission, attorneys general, and postal inspectors all have their eyes on the matter of earnings representations. The acceptable approach emerging is that there should be no earnings representations unless they are based on a verifiable track record of the average earnings of distributors. For instance, a company should have statistics to show the percentage of active distributors and the average earnings of active distributors.) Finally, Look for Good Training Does the company offer its independent distributors solid training opportunities in sales and recruitment? Are different levels of training offered to match the increasing levels of experience and responsibilities of distributors? The Journey Begins OK, is this the end of your journey? Obviously not. You have now looked at some legal issues and its time to move on to some solid business analysis. But it's a great start. Jeffrey A. Babener Babener & Associates 121 SW Morrison, Suite 1020 Portland, OR 97204 Jeffrey A. Babener, the principal attorney in the Portland, Oregon law firm of Babener & Associates, represents many of the leading direct selling companies in the United States and abroad. www.mlmlegal.com | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 435 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Good thing we covered all this months ago. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1126 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"Susanna Friedl susanna@garygoodyear.com Thursday, September 1, 2005 9:22 a.m. RE:TTI FRAUD Hi David, We have inquired into Treasure Trader's, and have been advised that the organization is currently under investigation by the RCMP. We respectfully ask for your patience while they conduct their investigation. Our office will be in contact with you as we receive any news relevant to this issue. Have a great day! | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 311 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.147.67 |
To all, mainly Pro-TTI... Voiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice, You are DODGING the questions again. Answer the simple questions. No more spin doctoring!!! Still waiting that YOU, the so-called TTI specialist, give a CLEAR and SIMPLE answer to a very simple question for ONLY ONE sale of a Gem Pack in $ and %. 1- Suggested Retail price: ? = 100% 2- Wholesale price: ? 3- Retail profit (1-2): ? 4- Bonuses on downline: ? 5- Other overrides (car-house-etc.): ? Total Payout to distributors (3+4+5): ? I want that everybody here understand clearly that I'm not against any legal and legitimate REAL MLM companies, since I think this is a great industry. But... I'm clearly AGAINST people trying to promote an illegal scheme to other people, and trying to compare TTI's scheme to reputable companies such as Amway or Quixtar. All LEGIT companies can answer easily to the SIMPLE question I asked because they don't have to wait for NEXT sales to be able to pay their distributors. They can pay them on each sale made. I'm just proving here that TTI is totally per se ILLEGAL and a CLEAR Ponzi Scheme, even if hidden under appearances of legality. I'm challenging any TTI so-called specialists to answer to my simple question. God Bless tried with no success. Another one gave us a payout BIGGER than the selling price. Ask yourself why TTI so-called specialists cannot answer this simple question anybody from any LEGIT company can answer easily without turning and turning around the pot... (Message edited by wm-mw on September 09, 2005) (Message edited by wm-mw on September 10, 2005) | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1136 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The reason they will never answer those questions “WMMW” is because they are not a legal MLM. You give one person $1200. Your name is on the 1-winner-8-loser-pyramid-board the same as the "WEW", NASCAR, and decades old original "AIRPLANE" scam. If and only if each person recruits two more there will be mathematically and ultimately 1 winner 8 losers, if not there will be even more losers since after 10 days your money will not be returned unless your Captain feels a moral responsibility. If as a Captain you have been talked into multiple boards you will lose thousands. If you have the moral responsibility to return the money you and/or your “downline”will lose what has been given to Kippax. If the money is all sent to Kippax to be held until the boards are completed he will retain all the money from “broken boards” as a bonanza. You are never required to actually purchase a gemstone. A purchase order certificate especially without sales tax paid is not a purchase of product. Any knowledgeable credible lawyer or chartered accountant will tell you that. Do not be mislead by these crass vicious pro TTI or be “soft soaped” by Bruce Audley. A purchase order certificate is not a purchase of a product. This is twisting of words, smoke and mirrors, “flim-flam”. What do you expect from a convicted weapons, drugs, and assault criminal, particularly when his character was examined and found lacking by the Ontario Securities Commission in December of 2003 only weeks after this fraud was begun. Kippax does not dispute his conviction nor judicial treatment. Now, Bruce what special status and influence do you have with the government that the rest of us ordinary Canadians do not have. Who is the S.O.B. in the government you claim told you this business was “perfectly legal” so this nonsense could be spread all over the world assuring citizens TTI was legally O.K. ahead of an R.C.M.P. investigation??? Who was it Bruce??? dave | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 324 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.147.67 |
To Bruce- I know Dave can be a lot insisting sometimes but I really think we should have the privilege to know the name of the person who confirmed you that TTI is legal. Since there are millions and millions of $$$ at stake and so many potential victims, we should know who this person is so we can check with him/her his/her credibility. We should also be able to check out your sources especially when there is such an appearent conflict between your statement and the R.C.M.P. investigation. We know the R.C.M.P. agents do not move on investigations lightly and without serious cause. That's just common sense. They are not small town cops. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 450 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
I think we also should have the priviledge of knowing the name of the person who confirmed that TTI is illegal...oh wait a minute, I guess that's impossible because there isn't a single government agency that can stand by this accusation. Why do you think that is? Well, one reason is the fact that TTI IS LEGAL. God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 470 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Is it just me, or does Dave appear to reveal symptoms of Schizophrenia? http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-ps01.html Social and/or Occupational Impairment – he’s got no job and it looks like anyone he tries to get close to, seems to leave him. Obsessive Thinking or Compulsive Rituals – It’s very evident that he is obsessed with himself and his opinions. Regardless of the fact that his opinions have resulted in false accusations, he still continues to repetitively state irrelevant info. Irritability or Hostility – I think his posts clearly express this. I mean, who else in this forum but him writes a phrase like “YOU VILE ROTTEN SLIMY PIGS. I HOPE SOMEONE YOU SCREWED SMASHES YOU SO "GOD BLESSED" HARD IN THE HEAD YOU NEVER AGAIN KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR WHERE ARE. YOU DEGUSTING PIECE OF CRAP.” Poor Sexual Interest or Ability – well, he did have not one, but two, wives leave him. Overly Dependent Behavior – Before Bruce expressed his opinion with regards to the legality of this business, Dave seemed to latch onto Bruce for support and approval. Money Management Problems – He is broke and begs people to send money. What more can I say? Need for Institutional Care – We all know he’s been in a mental hospital, been to jail, and has had to involve the police on more than one occasion. Physical Violence – well, as he was being arrested for yelling profanity threw a bull horn, witnesses did say that threw himself onto a female officer. Makes you wonder if those rape threats were fabricated. Risk of Harming Self – I think we have all seen how many times he’s been talking about police eventually killing him. I think all his experiences could have easily been avoided but he seems to seek disaster rather than attempt to avoid it. “Self-destruction” is like his middle name. Distrust or Suspiciousness – Do the words “lying”, “sniping”, “misleading”, and “corrupt”, ring a bell? Poor Memory or Learning Ability – How many times have we have to repeat specific aspect of this business?...he obviously can’t comprehend even the most obvious things. It’s no wonder he still believes this business is illegal. This is just my analysis though. For all we know, he could easily be classified under some other scientific term that means “wacko”. Since we can’t really confirm anything at this point, we can just call him “Prisoner 1000325524”…that was your prison number right Dave?…but, I guess that would depend on which prison occasion we’re talking about. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1166 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
YOU WORD TWISTING VILE SCUM. WHAT LEGAL ETHICAL COMPANY WOULD EVER, EVER OPERATE IN THIS MANNER. THIS IS WHAT YOU DO TO YOUR VICTIMS AND FORMER DISTRIBUTORS AND PEOPLE WONDER WHY VICTIMS WON'T COME FORWARD. YOU ARE WAY OVER THE LINE YOU VICIOUS S.O.B. YOU TAKE EVERY THING THAT IS DECENT AND TURN IT TO EVIL . AND SIGN IT “GOD BLESS”. WHAT AN EDUCATION. I HAVE MET NASTY PEOPLE IN MY LIFE BUT NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS DID I IMAGE A WELL EDUCATED PERSON PREMEDITATEDLY VICIOUS AS THIS COULD EVEN EXIST. Then again witness the “BS_TRUTH”....... To cause all this trauma to victims then add insult to injury by using God Bless is repugnant, absolutely sickening and abhorrent Again, have you shown you wife and children what you are participating in on this board? | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 330 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.131.24 |
To all- As we can see, The Liar and The Devil could sell their own mothers to get money. All means are good for them, including systematically trying to destroy someone, such as Dave, who is doing his best to expose their pyramidal and illegal activities. Fernando has made Captain 10 times and was honest enough to recognize his mistake and reimburse his victims. The TTI system creates more and more poverty all around in a minimum ratio of 14 to 1. The hypocrit men using the name of God and Truth as a cover-up for their illegal activities are very disgusting. In fact, when we trace them on the Internet, we can see they are travelling a lot to hold TTI meetings, mainly in Calgary area. So... they are "SOLD" to Kippax. It's evident... | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 476 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
What was that?...You sold your mom for money? Ewww...gross! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1188 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Man, even the tiniest insignificant statement you twist. Your twisted brain and childish remarks must be indicative of the trouble your company is in. You self appionted God. You wako-sicko!!! You do sound beneath moron "7000" and gossiping idiot "PICKLED_SAUSAGE" | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) New member Username: the_truth Post Number: 13 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
So what does your twisted brain and childish remarks represent? God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1224 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I'll just direct readers to my last post above for the truth in answer your nonsense. dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) New member Username: the_truth Post Number: 14 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
And I will direct them to all of your posts for the truth about the irrelevance of your topics and illogical explanations. Hopefully they don't fall asleep reading. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1226 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Don't you have some victims to scam, and convince your $45 emeralds are worth thousands, or have the "boards" all just about collapsed? Just from the P.O. GTA TTI victims I met at Young and St. Clair streets yesterday during a short demonstration, one a senior, I would say there is something pretty rotten in the galley of the pirate ship Destiny. The way I see it.... if they ever get together pirates will be walking their own plank!!! .......and that'sthe truth!!! dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) New member Username: the_truth Post Number: 20 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
If you don’t believe the stones are worth what they are said to be, simply take them to a gemstone expert and they can confirm that for you. The only thing I see rotting in the pirate ship Destiny is the cheesecake the cook left behind when he decided to invite your wife into his room for “dessert”. From what I heard, they were simply making preparations for breakfast…actually, the exact rumour was “They were makin’ bacon till 5 in the morning.” God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1241 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Well as you say here, you sicko, the "exact rumour was...." Here you are posting a blatant admission of inventing and spreading these rumours as I have been telling readers. And this, you, the Great Bruce Audley, support??? And save your condemnation for the victim of this?? Consult a study on "lynch mob mentality". And readers he calls himself "THE_TRUTH". A rumour mongering sicko who believes God blesses his disease. And that’s the simple truth. dave P.S. Show you family this one Bruce I would be interested to know if the mentality stops anywhere in the upper echelon} | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) New member Username: the_truth Post Number: 23 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
It’s called a punch-line Dave. Not sure about you but I think it created much more laughter than “I would say there is something pretty rotten in the galley of the pirate ship Destiny. The way I see it.... if they ever get together pirates will be walking their own plank!!!” God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1243 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Readers this person is sick!!! ........ and that's the truth | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) New member Username: the_truth Post Number: 25 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
And this person (Gatordave) is ill...mentally ill, that is. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1244 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
If you are new to this forum, just examine the posting of the sicko above. This is what pyramid fraud does when countries allow their corrupt judges, politicians, police, corrupt lawyers, accountants etc., to bring it into the legitimate business place, into the legislatures, (it ran rampant in the Ontario Legislature) through local city and town councils, school boards, churches, hospitals, service groups, fire departments, in just about everywhere there are people. Then cover up the for the top officials, police and their relatives etc. Then retreat in denial, and start it all over again. These upper echelon are attempting to loot our county, calling it legitimate business, as was done in the Country of Albania. Now, they are trying to tell us that by adding cheap gemstones or other cheap junk products as merely an option to the already proven illegal pyramid, it makes these frauds legal. Just as the World Bank warned against. They get people like the Great “I AM” Bruce Audley, a pampas private citizen with lobbying connections and connections to government officials he keeps secret, to “soft soap” a sales pitch to “brainwash” ordinary citizens into believing that these pyramid frauds are “perfectly legal” ahead of a deliberate “foot-dragging” investigation of our Federal Police, until again they “sweep the whole matter under the carpet” and hopefully fraud after fraud “brainwash” Canadian Citizen to adopt this “honouring the law in the breach” and by lack of proper investigation “legalize white collar crime” in this country by omission. Then turn the whole law upside down and by perjury, trumped up evidence, trumped up physical evidence, false allegations, false charges, false voluntary statements, and coerced testimony from intimidated women, harass, jail, beat up, and terrorize and threaten a man who’s says this pyramid was illegal and these are the some of the politicians, corrupt lawyers and people who involved my wife in it that the police refused to charge, but instead persuaded or coerced the media to suppress their identities. And then permit a sicko, a leach from the posting above to fasten itself to the real victim of pyramid fraud to continue the false rumours and in addition spew out endless more lies and rumours. And that is the frightening, but incredible truth...... “Truth, it has been acknowledge, is stranger than fiction”. You will find no greater example of that, then when you follow in the wake of pyramid frauds. To varify that Google search "Women Empowing Women". Phone-Busters is receiving untold numbers of complaints concerning Treasure Traders International, and Departure Central both “clones” of “WEW” from frustrated citizen’s from all over the country, being for all intends and purposes ignored and treated with contempt by bureaucratic indifference. In plain words they, like the pyramid artists they support with their “foot dragging” BS investigations could care less about the Chinese Woman in Mississauga and thousands like her bilked out of $10,000 and intimidated not to speak out because they discover police, lawyers, and judges, are Captains in this well established well entrenched illegal pyramid model in all it’s mutations. And refuse to warn all the other future victims. The Canadian, unlike the US, authorities refuse to adequately warn the public until the operations are shut down. This is ridiculous and idiotic. Our government will tell their citizens, after the pyramid has collapsed, after all the "big shots" have thier money, after the crooks are gone “Gee, don’t get involved in that pyramid it was illegal.” | ||
| voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason) New member Username: voice_of_reason Post Number: 4 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.158.75.150 |
Everybody, please welcome back the crook listed on SuperHighway, wmmw!!!! Not sure why he changed his name, I guess we need to update the profile of aliases there. Lets see how long it takes for a copy and paste shall we? Anyone want to start a pool? | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1246 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
TTI boards are collapsing all over the place so these sickos are all over this site trying to mask the truth with their BS. And the corrupt Michael Shibley of Industry Canada who should be fired, is working “closely” with TII as opposed to citizens, trying to spread this optional product “so thin” in an effort to mask an illegal pyramid fraud attempting to fool the public contrary to what is published on Industry Canada’s own website. Industry Canada clearly demonstrates on their website the difference between a legal MLM and a pyramid, then with the same smoke and mirrors TTI is feeding him, Shibley, the hypocrite endeavours to “brainwash” the public into believing they are not reading what they are in fact reading. These arrogant corrupt civil servants covering up crime in their country and supporting the scum on this board against the interests of the public,..... the citizen’s scammed daily for thousands, harassed frustrated and intimidated, should be fired. .......and that's the truth | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Junior Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 26 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
real_truth, Is this a joke? Talk about lacking originality. First, you can't even come up with an original name so you decide to use a variation of mine. You get an “L” for Lame on that one! Second, you mimic Dave’s use of name calling by branding me as “sick” without any real argument to back up your labelling. You get an “O” for Oh-so-pathetic! Third, you copy my schizophrenia diagnosis idea yet fail to provide a real schizophrenic symptom. You get an “S” for Smooth move! Fourth, you imitate Dave by having to attack religious beliefs. You get an 'E' for Effort on that one. Fifth, you recycle the same “medication” joke that has been used a number of times with regards to Gatordave not taking his pills. You get an “R” for Re-use, Reduce, and Recycle…good job Captain Planet! And worst of all, in a thread about TTI, you don’t even mention a single thing that relates specifically to this business. Now let’s take a look at your Grade Point Average for your first entry… Let’s see…L+O+S+E+R / 5 = ? (darn, I forgot my calculator. Perhaps Dave can help us out here cause apparently he’s the math whiz.) So if you want to play the name-calling game… bring it. If you want to debate about this business, then I hope you’ve got stronger arguments than Gatorboy, because his corrupt government excuse is getting a bit old. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1250 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
What a sick childish idiot. If you people were original you wouldn't have exactly copied an illegal pyramid decades old!! And now with the boards collapsing as they always do in these illegal frauds, you should be shutting your mouth and heading for the "islands". You self God blessed Waco Wacko Sicko. .....and that's the truth | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1251 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
This corrupt government is a bit old all right but it is the truth you S.O.B. You and these damn corrupt lying, threatening, perjuring, brutal filthy cops. .....,. and that's the truth!!! you filth. | ||
| the_truth_ (the_truth_) New member Username: the_truth_ Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.129.7 |
To Pro-TTI You should do like me and open your eyes. God has just opened my eyes and I'm now on the other side. I'm no more using God's name as my signature. I was blind and my judgement was darkened by money. I was ready to sell my mother just for getting more and more money. I had sold my soul to Kippax. Thank you, God, to have converted me. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Junior Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 29 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
"the_truth_" Nice try... . I guess your motto must be..."If you can't beat 'em...BE 'em!" Glad to have you on the opposing side. I know you must be upset after you came to the realization that this business is legal, but pretending to be me might be revealing your desperation just a tad...don't you think? God bless. | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) New member Username: real_truth Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.128.31 |
"the_truth" What a turn-about! Ups and downs like that are really bad signs. Religious one day, euphoric the next day. Better to make sure you take your pills or to see your doctor fast. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1267 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Toronto Sun Sat Sept 24, 2005 Video of beating helps send cop to jail Judge rips gratuitous assault on defenceless citizen BRAMPTON — Cosnt. Roy Preston will spend this weekend and several consecutive weekends, in jail for punching Jama Said Jama, an assault caught on amateur videotape. In a judgement blasted by Preston’s lawyer and the Toronto Police Association, Justice Peter Wilkie sentenced the 37 year old cop to 30 days behind bars for the August 2003 attack. This was a gratuitous assault by a police officer against a defenceless citizen.” Wilkie said. “The court must send a clear unambiguous message that this conduct will not be tolerated.” Wilkie pointed out in his in his sentence that an aggravating factor was Preston’s actions after the assault. Those included falsifying his notes, making a fake injury report and charging Jama with assaulting a police officer — a charge later dropped. He deliberately set the justice system in motion against an innocent man,” Wilkie said. "Had it not been for the videotape, the defendant Preston may have been successful. Anyone with even a modicum of experience with police friend or foe if honest will tell you that is standard procedure in police investigations. It’s considered “building a case” against the accused as opposed to investigating the truth just for the sake of the truth. This Great Country looks less and less Great, Bruce Audley and the rest of your “swarming gang” you have aligned yourself with, and my complaints gather more and more credibility. I didn’t have a Video, but I still have the falsified notes of the non-existent Court Order, the assault that did not take place, and the proof the rape threat was never uttered, nor one word spoken the morning on the day I was arrested which was later changed to a screaming threat, as falsely claimed and exemplified and supported in the story above. And I (we) still have the bullhorn (temporally donated to an organization) that has been proven cannot be heard three blocks away let alone in a moving vehicle, engine running and window down. And those witnesses; highschool kids that saw my arrest in Harriston; the women who testified they didn’t hear the “F” word ever used and the dozens of others nearby that also witnessed the arrest, and now know their police are dirty liars and perjurers. It is pathetic what the police will allow members of the public to observe if they feel they can get away with it!! Adds to their extrajudicial powers. Who will stand up for their rights, or those of their neighbour or come forward with information against police when they witnesses police getting away with beating, perjury and falsified evidence? Isn’t that what is observed in a corrupt totalitarian regime? Police openly violating the law while citizens are fearing to speak out hide in silence? The judge made that clear when he observed “Had it not been for the video tape, the defendant (Preston) may have been successful.” Is there anyone willing to at least admit to a reasonable doubt in the cases you are ripping me apart over, or are you truly just an irrational lynch-mob angry simply because I expressed my views about a company based upon credible evidence and information found in books, reports by police and prosecutors and thesis by learned academics. Having said that, now what has all this got to do with TTI?? Simply that I have again been threatened by a cop for exposing TII . It was at the highschool in Mississauga a few months back as I handed out pamphlets. I intend to return notwithstanding an intimidating cop who threatens an unarmed senior with his gun and bully tactics and refuses to give an occurrence#. The beaten up victim because of a video managed to escape my fate of an ignorant bias judge Norman Douglas I “drew” who ignored evidence and is himself before the Judicial Review Council. And judge G. J. Brophy who ignored the obvious lies in the police officers notes and reports and trumped up evidence by perjurer Officer Brad Smith. Again, Is there anyone willing to at least admit to a reasonable doubt in the cases you are ripping me apart over, or are you truly just an irrational lynch-mob unconcerned with the truth, angry simply because I expressed my views about a company based upon credible evidence and information found in books, reports by police and prosecutors and thesis by learned academics? dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Junior Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 36 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
"This Great Country looks less and less Great" Personally, as I see all the stuff that goes on in other parts of the world, I can't think of any other place I would rather be than in Canada. If all you ever talk about is how unfair our government treats you, why the heck do you bother staying? You constantly refer to innocent people that are being sent to prison for crimes they haven't committed, but do you even bother to take into account the fact that a significant majority of people are in fact imprisoned because they have indeed committed a crime. Let’s face it, people make mistakes…therefore our government which is made up of human decision-makers will inevitably make errors. Really, what do you propose we do about it?...Do you expect our government to just let anyone off the hook when they say, “Your Honour, it wasn’t me…I swear!”? When the baker made claims that you did in fact scream profanity through a bullhorn, was the judge supposed to just ignore that piece of evidence? When a 7-year old girl claims that her 2nd grade teacher molested her, but the other 32 students in the class say he was the nicest teacher they’ve ever had, should the judge simply ignore the claim made by that one little girl?…I sure hope not! You claim to have been physically abused by cops on multiple occasions, but the other 99% of Canadians who follow the rules seem to get along just fine with the police force. Why do you think that is Dave? Do you honestly believe that they’ve got your picture up at each police station with a short blurb that says, “If you see this man, give him a good beating”? Personally, I can only assume that you are simply not playing by the rules and rather than avoid confrontation, you tend to instigate it. I simply make that assumption based on your behavior in this forum. Now, feel free to go ahead and continue labeling me as a “sick puppy” but I’m sure the readers can see what I’m trying to say. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1291 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Of course. And they deserve to be there!!. And didn’t I clearly state before; that I am not so cynical to believe the majority of people in Canadian jails are innocent as in some countries. The thing I have had my eyes open to, is that there are far more that I would have ever believed in both Canada an the U.S. jails, and that in both our democratic countries is appalling. The whole premise of democracy is not to just put anyone in jail on false charges because you don’t like what they say, or their politics, or the way they look ,or because you THINK they might commit a crime. You have not an once of justice in you entire being that I can detect. Not even enough empathy to concede and say “god that could happen to me. How awful to be beaten up and falsely accused.” You justify putting anyone randomly in jail because there are criminals in jail that deserve it. So, what you saying as I understand it, execute a few innocent people it doesn’t matter because most people in jail are criminals anyway. Besides, the issue wasn’t about guilty people in jail. It was about innocent people being beaten up in Canada and innocent people in Canadian Jails. With your attitude if you were in control it would not be long before we would be the same as the countries you propose I go to if I don’t like Canada. It is people like you that wanted a 14 year old youngster hung as an adult in Clinton not far from where I lived. Stephen Truscotte. Good self righteous Christians, for the most part, would have lynch him had they been able to get their hands on him.. You are so absolutely bound in hatred and prejudice that there is nothing I believe that I could say or any issue I could raise, or point out that you would agree with unless I said Treasure Traders International is legal.” And mistakes are mistakes I agree. But, a trained cop unjustly beating someone up then with premeditation falsifying evidence to hopefully also jail him and turn the assault around to what our society wrongly believes is a worst offence of assault on a police officer is no mistake.. A police officer with his power and training on how to justly use that power, sworn to defend and protect, that beats an innocent citizen and viciously trumps up evidence has, in my opinion committed a far greater crime than a common citizen who unjustifiably takes a punch at a cop. But that citizen will suffer a far greater penalty. But in your mind as God’s appointed “TRUTH” it must frustrate you to hell that this is all you can do to torment me. Don’t you long for the days in centuries past when self appointed men of God like you need only “round me up” tie me to a stake and shove a white hot poker in my throat and eyes. All the while uttering God bless. Isn’t that the real truth?? I didn’t ask to be “let off the hook”(acquitted) as you imply by saying “your Honour it wasn’t me I swear.” Again you “Christian” know it all gossiping bigot you weren’t there for any of it. You wrote ..... “When the baker made claims that you did in fact scream profanity through a bullhorn, was the judge supposed to just ignore that piece of evidence? No absolutely not. But was he supposed to “cherry pick” the witnesses evidence and ignore two female PROSECUTION witness with equal or better credibility one an axillary police officer who were the closest and testified they DID NOT HEAR THE “f” WORD USED ONCE You “Christian” sick bigot? And it is physically impossible to hear that model of bullhorn 3 blocks away. That is fact not opinion. It has been tried and witnessed. And the judge has been found by the higher court to be bias, and was during my trial (unbeknownst to me) and at this moment being investigated for his bias and bizarre behaviour. Because of the obvious conflict in the prosecutor’s own case, “yelling “f” every other word vis-a-vis two women never head it uttered once, my plea to the Judge was contained in his own words. “Your Honour you said “It is only common sense that sometimes people exaggerate and sometimes people lie, I will give you that Mr. Thornton.” I am asking you honour will you give me that.” (Reasonable doubt) Why do you think they testified they didn’t hear it? Christian bigot. You and your kind are about the most dangerous on a jury. But none of that will enter the mind of a bigot, particularly a “Christian” bigot. I have had success opening the minds of a few bigots especially racially bigoted, but never ever a “Christian” bigot. They are absolutely right and their gossip absolutely “THE_TRUTH” despite any facts!! This debate is wasted on you though, but it is good for readers to see someone with your bigoted “tunnel vision” exposed himself especially if they are ever called as jurors. And no, all professing Christians are not bigots to answer what undoubtably would be THE GREAT "I AM" Bruce Audley’s assertions. “So now Dave lets get this absoulely clear are you saying all Christians are bigots." And you "TRUTH" B.S.B.M. talk from both sides of your mouth. You wrote “let’s face it, people make mistakes…therefore our government which is made up of human decision-makers will inevitably make errors.” And isn’t that what I have asked? At least a mistake. But we also know many politicians, government agents and police are absolutely corrupt and some from all three categories have actually committed murdered. When a 7-year old girl claims that her 2nd grade teacher molested her, but the other 32 students in the class say he was the nicest teacher they’ve ever had, should the judge simply ignore the claim made by that one little girl?…I sure hope not! No the judge shouldn’t. But in their hast to judgement they should not “bury” evidence if she has made similar and proven false claims against fellow students, or generally lies to get friends in trouble, or if the police took her to McDonald’s offering her anything she wants if they tell them what they want to hear and is subjected to subjective sessions with so called “child psychologist.”and the teacher has an alibi placing him somewhere else at the time All of which have been proven to have been done in cases and more. But when three boys say a wealthy man molested them, and the man admits that to both parents, and because he’s wealthy and one of his lawyers Walter McGibbon is the father-in-law of the local Crown Attorney Wm. Morrison of Kitchener and also the Chairman of the Board of the local newspaper the K.W. Record and they have the power to steal the kid’s father’s business and all they helped their dad with, while their dad was in Hong Kong and Malaysia then threaten his dad who mistakenly takes his story to that newspaper and a bigoted United Church Minister Rev. Frank Morgan who writes a weekly column for that same newspaper and later he finds out was a padre for the RCMP that, you “Christian” bigot, is not a mistake. Now if you don’t want to hear this stuff don’t raise the issues. All I wrote was about a beating by police to support my claim police do such things and they did it while I was protesting police beatings and killings and involvement in “WEW” and TTI. Now, I can assure you there are those with “blood on their hands” in Kitchener that would rather not have this raised again. And then with your Christian bigotry as though you have not read a word I’ve written you write..... "You claim to have been physically abused by cops on multiple occasions, but the other 99% of Canadians who follow the rules seem to get along just fine with the police force. Why do you think that is Dave? Did you read nothing or it just cannot penetrate that bigoted mind???!!! Wide open question again with subtle unwritten but implied accusations. I was one of the other 99% of the Canadians and I was very industrious and on my own built a respectable honest business and somehow managed to get through all those troubling teen years without getting a beating by police, resisted peer pressured at parties to smoke pot and weekly binge drinking spending most of my time and what little money I had drawing house plans and making furniture and bits and pieces for the home I wanted to own someday. Gee maybe my problems came about because I don’t play by the rules of the game. Now, you asked the questions so don’t complain when you get the answers. And the explanation is this. And what was the game and what were the rules? Shortly after I’m in business at age 22, I am unfortunate enough by chance to be exposed to the law breaking of Ontario Provincial Police and wealthy citizens they are protecting and using intimidating bullying techniques and their mere intimidating persona to silence those they are oppressing. The rules of the game?” #1 the option of joining them. The offer was made. If not - rule #2 Ignore written Canadian Law, law for the protection of individuals and society, and keep your mouth shut. These people and their corrupt cop friends are above the law. That’s the game. and rule #3? Never break rule#2 . I broke Rule #3. I don’t like dirty cops and corrupt government officials and mistakenly believed there were officials in the process higher up who would deal with such matters. Sadly I was wrong. As a consequent of breaking Rule# 3 I was no longer among the (99%) of which more than 99% of those are never tested this way. A war was set in motion, that it was too late to back out of. I was falsely charged. It then took threats against me, an official’s slap in the face, a punch in the mouth, charges against them, conviction, removal of two top officials for violating the very laws they were enforcing, dismantling of an association, the dismantling of the entire labour committee, and the repealing of oppressive draconian laws controlled by “selective prosecution” by corrupt officials. And five years under continual harassment. Yep!! Didn’t “play by the (corrupt) rules. If you wish to be bored with further details keep asking the questions. But there is a limit!! A question I asked for which there was no response was basically this. I’ll make it a little more specific. If you see a cop snorting coke do you play play by rule# 1 laugh and join ‘em. Rule #2 don’t and shut your mouth, or break #3 (never break #2) on principle and suffer the consequences such as a self proclaimed “Christian” bigot questioning your motives, inventing and spreading gossip condemning you for “breaking the rules” without defining the rules. Answer that question please. It's simple. Join,... keep your mouth shut,... or “blow the whistle.” And there is applied common sense. Do you report a cop for spitting on the street? And if not, by the same token if you see him robbing a store at night and perhaps shooting someone do you apply the the same discretion. And somewhere between the two defines your own character and motives visa-a vis mine. dave. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1307 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I was asked on this forum how I knew Clarence Elkins is innocent. SOME THINGS JUST HAVE THAT RING OF TRUTH! AND SOME PEOPLE ACCEPT INJUSTICE. SOME WILL NEVER GIVE UP. AND SOME JUST MAKE FUN OF THE ADVERSITIES OF OTHERS!! From the “Free Clarence Elkins” website. Website.http://www.freeclarence.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2289&sid=49638a7e855adb9b17d9d3cdba35919e#2289 Everyone!! We have found a match on the DNA it is an exact match to one Earl Mann! He was a neighbor of my mom's. He was convicted of Rape Robbery and Assault. The Ironic thing is Clarence retrieved the DNA by picking up the cigarette butt from this guy because he was being housed in the same cellblock as Clarence. (Unbelievable) If anyone has ever doubted the power of the Lord they need to think about this). There is a press conference being held today at 11 in Akron ... There is an article in Beaconfor L Journal. We did it guys! Now let's pray for an ending to this and pray for Final justice in this case...Thank you Melinda | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 174 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
And yet again for the masses, this has exactly what to do with "T.T.I.Co."???? I am sure there is a direct connection here somewhere, either that or I'm just too tired from my Northern trip to sit a figure it all out. Would someone help me here? Bruce | ||
| pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage) New member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.157.78.188 |
Clarence has the same first name as Clarence Clemons from Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band. Clarence Clemons plays the saxophone. The saxophone is similar in physical characteristics(loosely) to a bullhorn. A bullhorn is a necessary staple if one is to effectively spread the word about the evils of TTI. Logical debate and reasoning just won't cut it! Therein lies the connection. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1311 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You ingnorant S.O.B. I can only hope you say something like this when you not wearing you K-K-K hood on anonimity. This is the record of the clasic filth that attach themself to pyramid fraud. | ||
| pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage) New member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 10 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.157.78.188 |
Someone sounds grumpy this morning. Perhaps you need to get outside and enjoy the fall in Ontario this weekend. I think a good hay ride or an afternoon of apple picking is just what the doctor ordered. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1312 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Well “I AM the Great Bruce Audley” returns. I thought a vacation and time to reflect might change the “lynch mob” attitude. But he returns as ignorant as he left, perhaps more so. I guess you people must know what the connection is you keep cross examining and asking questions and can't leave it alone. The idiot above is back to the bull horn. This all started again when I was dealing with TTI. Now what do your bragging hobbies of fishing for Marlin, and being a pilot, and going north and all the other off topic you and the rest of Pro TTI are into got to do with TTI operating an illegal pyramid fraud which is costing Canadians millions? Now I guess with the "extraviganza" boards, they simply open a "Fleet Port" take 7 GRAND from 14 people, close down and run with 98,000. That’s hardly sounds like a “perfectly legal” business to me. But in the corrupt world of Bruce Audley that’s fair game no matter how many communities, families and ultimately children are hurt. It obvious. You are now doing nothing more than showing your indifference and ignorance on this site like the sick idiot “BICKLED_BRAINS” and the mob. | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 175 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Dave" - I still do not have a clue what you are talking about but I long ago knew I wasn't posting here for you. Your ability to be able to clearly read a hidden message between all the lines of postings we have here, is not merely to be congratulated. It is to be pitied! Bruce | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1315 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Oh really! There you go again the Great "I Am Bruce Audley." You are so smart that you "knew long ago you weren't posting here for me." Wow! what a self enlightened discovery. A revelation!!! Big deal. I didn't ask you to post here for me!!! But I could tell a long time ago you were not posting for Anti TTI either. Pompous intellectual snob. But you had me fooled at the beginning until you began subtly attacking those on this side. You know subtle (dict: making use of clever and indirect methods to achieve something). And Danbel never did get his money from the Captain even idiot 7000 said should be fired. Now, having answered ignorant abusive personal questions from the TTI side. What about you people answering a simple un-abusive question of mine. If you see a cop snort coke what do you do, Laugh and join in! Don't and keep your mouth shut! or "blow the whistle"? Oh! And so I don't miss the anticipated question instead of the answer no Bruce Audley I am not saying now that all police snort coke. But some definitely do! And if you don't know in my postings what I'm talking about when it's pretty straight forward, how do you expect anyone to understand your, ambiguous, "beat around the bush" suggestive, obscure, vague, pompous "double speak"? And I am certainly not posting here for you either! It is so citizens have some understanding of “white collar” crime in this country and the type of people and supporters it attracts both unwary victims and clever crooks. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1316 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
And now as predicted this!!! As I said sometime ago they will increase the amount of money on these boards. Now they just go into a area, get 14 victims to put $7000 on an “extravaganza” board close shop and take off with the money. $98,000. Doesn’t sound like a “perfectly legal” business to me. This from an un-anonymous victim. They could easily all be from one family!! You unconscionable pyramid sick crooks!!! Author: Roger Vienneau (---.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Date: 09-25-05 22:13 Hi, You are right what a big scam we pay 7000.00 to join a fleetport and now the fleetport is gone and they close the door and we lost 96,000.00 dollars now you tell me is not a scam then I will tell you're lying. When you join a business and he tell you that you going to have sleeping set aside for the year to come, it's another scam. You call them for information and nobody know anything and they don't even want to talk to you. I am telling you it's a big big scam and watch out Roger | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1317 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Bruce is this one of your "uppity" friends from the Alberta Legislature? Chief parliamentary counsel? Of course if they're in it they will tell you it's legal. That’s what the corrupt politicians, the lawyers, the cops said in "WEW" fraud that TTI is cloned from. Ritter, the former chief parliamentary counsel of the Alberta legislature, is charged with theft over $5,000, fraud over $5,000 and two additional charges related to money-laundering and possessing the proceeds of crime The U.S. extradition proceedings relate to a scam where more than $250 million was collected from nearly 7,000 victims between 1992 and 2002. According to the U.S. Securities Exchange commission, Ponzi schemes are pyramid investment scams. http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/09/30/1242157-sun.html More credibility to my claims that police and politicians are engaged in pyramid fraud all over this country. Connection ........ TTI is a part of organized pyramid fraud “white collar” crime, money “laundering” in this country. Do you want to give your “head a shake” Bruce and tell us you have been innocently “brainwashed” or are you knowingly “running interference” for these pyramid crooks? Come one Bruce, there are some hard questions around TTI that needs some answers from someone who declares to the world that an absolute fraudulent pyramid scheme is "perfectly legal" with an emerald attached as an "after thought" | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 177 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
Oh sorry Dave, I nodded off again! I would try and follow your thoughts if they were simply slightly more lucid. Okay I got the "I am really, really angry" part and I completely understand the "uppity" comments about your perception of my lifestyle and/or friends. But it is all just too confusing for me. As I do not post for you and you do not post for me, then you really need to bray at a different moon. I will continue to state my beliefs on "T.T.I.Co." and you can go on your merry way and, well you know! Post your little heart out with all of the hate, anger and venom that you can muster. I am sure that somehwere, somehow, someone is maybe going to read it and if they do, perhaps they can explain it to me in a couple of short sentences. Uppity Bruce | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1319 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I think what I posted is very clear and lucid, considering the crux of the matter I did not compose, but copied from a case now in court and others preceding it. You can play the denial game, throw the lucid word around, talk about moons, and the reaction to pain that you interpret as the hate and anger, resulting from unrelenting and unwarranted attacks on my family and having fun at the expense of the suicide of my son and the results of a person who admits himself "it's like having a wounded bear in a cage poking him with a short stick"(then laughing at the reaction). You can pretend to be confused, But then the Emperor acted pretty much the same as everyone gazed past his imaginary clothes. This way you divert attention from the question.... \“who or what was the position of the person in government who told you TTI was perfectly legal so you could spread ,what amounts to gossip, all around the world ahead of an RCMP investigation. Before that, Bruce, using your common sense, which has now been compromised, you stated unwaveringly TTI was illegal. Why didn't you wait for an investigation to change your mind? I don't know why so many Canadians brag of how ignorant they are, but know everything. The classic bragging.... “I never listen to the news or read the paper”, but funny they come up with all these opinions and will tell anyone else they’re wrong and don’t know what they’re talking about.. If you haven't as yet you should examine www.departurecentral.com the exact same pyramid used by TTI and with product. But you were already bragging how you, the Great "I AM" Bruce Audley didn't have to read or consider any of that because basically without reading anything, just gossiping around the halls of the politicians, you know it all. Well the Australian Government with obviously far more intelligence than the Canadian Government in this regard, has developed a plan against these frauds and invites citizens globally to warn them of new scams developing. They,like Bermuda, then warn their citizens in advance. They are already warning of the Departure Central Scam running unchecked in Canada. Indeed in contrast Peel Regional Police laughed saying it was the old "Airplane Scam" as they actually stood guarding the meeting were this fraud, they recognized was taking place. Unbelievable!!! The Australian Government even has a prepaid code # for mailing free of charge any material or documents. They sound serious about “white collar” crime. Prevent it, like the World Bank advised and warned, not investigate the crime after all the damage is done. Like, man, install smoke detectors rather than “save basements” and burry the dead. They recognize scams and report them long before they prosecute. Just like warning about “bank robbery” once you are smart enough to understand what one is. Too much common sense for this blind corrupt country I’d say. And all these people needlessly losing thousands not just $1200 should induce empathy toward victims not “shark-like indifference. Non- lucid dave} www.docep.wa.gov.au/wascamnet | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 179 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Dave" - There are many governmental differences in the Australian system that I feel Canada could observe and emulate. But it ain't gonna happen in our lifetime! One thing that no one in power likes to hear is, "Someone, somewhere else is doing it bigger and better"! It just will not get the response that you are looking to receive. As for the rest of your poisoned pontificating, I'll simply do as I prefer on a otherwise beautiful Sunday. I'll turn off my system for the rest of the day and forget that Dave exists! Bruce | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1325 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Kissing the butt of the status quo and repeating their rhetoric and propaganda never got the response from government citizens were looking for either. These continual rounds of pyramid fraud will go unabated unless people are woken up and speak up or it degenerate to thousands dead on the streets like Albania. And well you know the familiar adage “If your not part of the solution your part of the problem!!” And I guess you missed the part on the Australian website. “It was information sent in by you that proved crucial in getting US authorities to charge operators of a New York mail-based scam, which had netted many millions of dollars from victims around the world, including WA”. For someone claiming to be anti TTI you sure seem to be missing all the opportunities in the “play” and mistakenly running toward the wrong goalpost!!! And before you regress into your rhetoric and your brand of self righteous pontificating and tossing around the “poison” word you should look back on you own posting and those of whom you now choose to follow and remember who were the victims here trying to tell their stories and who were the relentless attackers. And remember we did not relentlessly try to label anyone a rapist or all the horrible things dumped on me and my family. And never forget as a lesson the twins from Vancouver who realized how they had been led into a “lynch mob attitude” and their thinking “poisoned” and suddenly realized this was not who they really were. And I am sure you are well aware of the difference between being the rotten kid “with the sharp stick poking the caged bear” as you so eloquently and perceptively put it, and the roaring caged bear. Perhaps someone will convince me I’m wrong to believe, because I have an understanding of fraud and it’s devastating effects that I should feel no obligation to fellow citizens who do not have that same understanding and do what I can to alert them and actively do my part to stop it. But I doubt it. If you feel that's pontificating then as I say let reader's decide. In defense of my credibility, I could have avoided all of these attacks and questioning of my motives and pontificating, joined, kept my mouth shut, put on the "positive" aura, gone to the parties, the gulf course, made a fortune, and had a blast. But, like in my home town, I could not drive down the street in a new car knowing it was financed by the single mother I would see walking into the grocery store another $3,500 in debt. Nor the hundreds as was pointed out in the prosecuted case that I would have "made collaborators in a process that will victimize other people down the road -- people that they ( I ) may not ever know.” Perhaps Bruce, you have mistaken pontificating with conscience. dave | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 182 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Dave" - My conscience is fine but I would not wish to hazard a guess at yours. For all the wronged investors (I'll let the twins speak for themselves), where are their posts? Other than Danbel, where are they? Is their silence meant to be interpreted as acceptance? Where is the sixteen year old? What about the investors that mortgaged their farms? Where are they? Before you climb onto your high horse and start regaling me again with your stories of my higher education beating your lower IQ into the ground (I swear there must drugs involved when you read these posts), I do not support this organization as an investment opportunity for anyone, rich or poor! It is too bad you don't see it that way but as I will never tire of pointing out to you, I don't care! Dave sees things in one dimension and Bruce doesn't. But from this office in Sherwood Park, that doesn't give either one of us the higher ground. Just different ground. And that sure ain't no sin! Bruce | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Junior Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 50 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Dave just out of curiosity, if you saw a shiny, new bullhorn in the latest flyer that had a $50 mail-in rebate, and you decided to buy it but forgot to mail in the rebate, would it be the company's fault that you didn't receive the rebate? God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 337 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.152.184 |
To The (false) Truth- You're out of topic, my friend!!! Stay focused. Don't forget to take your pills... Don't get discouraged. It can be cured... | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1331 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Readers do I really need to comment? Or is this sicko billing himself the God appointed "TRUTH" doing enough to himself on the WWW? dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 53 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
“Readers do I really need to comment?” On behalf of the readers, I would like to say, No you don’t need to comment…but I doubt that will end your senseless babble, now will it. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1335 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
On behalf of the readers..... “B.S._TRUTH” writes!!! Now he has set himself up as the God appointed representative of the entire group of readers who's identity the greater majority he doen't know. How arrogant. Again, whether my postings are "senseless babble" as “B.S. TRUTH” puts it, and his, in my opinion are a product of a "sicko" leader of an "online lynch mob" is up to others to decide. dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 54 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
I rest my case. God bless. | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) New member Username: real_truth Post Number: 13 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.155.85 |
To all And the real truth came from Melanie: "Message melanie (melanie) New member Username: melanie Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.194.130.13 Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 3:05 pm: TTI IS FRAUD..DON'T BE STUPID, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR MONEY...I DID! And so did a lot of other innocent stupid people" | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 74 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
So I suppose that now we are to just ignore the laws our government has in place and regardless of the fact that this business is still legal, we are supposed to go by what Melanie states simply because she says so…sounds a lot like the Gatordave theory. So where do I sign up to get this authority that apparently have been assigned to Gatordave and Melanie, which supersedes the rules that governs our land? God bless. | ||
