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     lorie (lorie) New member Username: lorie Post Number: 5 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.69.255.203 |
HERE IS A NEW THREAD I MADE!!!! Hopefully you will use this one. The latest message is from Danbel at 11:43am March 11. ************************************************* chagrined (chagrined) New member Username: chagrined Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.157.72.189 Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 8:12 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Danbel: Clearly you made an investment decision that has not paid off for you. I submit that you should take a drive by your nearest Casino and see if everyone walks out of it with fat wallets. There will be winners, and there will be losers as is the case with any investment choice. While you were a sympathetic figure in your earlier posts, your persistance and unwillingness to act on everyone's guidance and advice while continuing to pity yourself, has now made you simply a nuisance. I have been approached by several people in my community about attending TTI meetings and to date have declined. I suspect I will continue to decline as I simply don't have the time or the wherewithal to pursue this. But I do not begrudge those that think it a worthwile endeavour and I wish them success. ************************************************* danbel (danbel) Member Username: danbel Post Number: 54 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 66.185.85.77 Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 10:03 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chagrined What I can see from you people if you have drug dealer corner you street and sell drug to your family or children you not go to call police make complain .You find that ok that person street corner make illegal money. Went I see people make illegal thing to hurt people by harassment or illegal way . Yes I make complain Because I love my family and Kid. .Some people around my town they do illegal business I not to let them to hurt people I love . Is was by reading all your post that I know those make illegal business. We have some honest people in my town and I make money with them . By legal Way ************************************************* make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 166 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 11:07 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Danbel l have to agree with chagrined. You are just bitter because you made a bad choice. I don't agree with the way the person that got you in but you still never did any research on TTI you just jumped in. Like chagrined l have siad many times that TTI is not for everyone and TTI is not for you Danbel. I think alot of people are getting sick of this topic. The post are slowing down. We went 10 days with nothing. I hope this will be the end to all the lies about TTI. l am sure we are going to have many more people like danbel. People that jump into it people that get caught up in all the hype. So for anyone reading this for the first time please don't jump into TTI!! Give it a week or so before you sign up talk to friends and family bring them out to a meeting to see if this is something they would also want to do. TTI is a great business for many people and it is going to here for years to come. ************************************************* lorie (lorie) New member Username: lorie Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.69.255.203 Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 11:30 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree 100% with you Make7000. It all comes down to the people you trust. People (like Danbel) who just sink their teeth into it without realizing what they're getting into end up getting screwed over. Then they blame the company when really, it's their own fault. Anyways, who's down with making a new thread?! This one takes like 2min just to open! ~*LoRie*~ ************************************************* danbel (danbel) Member Username: danbel Post Number: 55 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 66.185.85.77 Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 11:43 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- make7000 l have to agree with YOU Give it a week or so before you sign up talk to friends and family bring them out to a meeting to see if this is something they would also want to do.Never truth any one even your bet friend . Yes go to be many more people like me go get caught . You don't agree with the way the person that got me in GOOD why you don’t try to stop them ? YOU TTI pro always say to me to stop compliance . Give me one way to stop those people to hurt people and I go to stop to compliance .I hope there was some more people should complained on this post .I know some people see my post and they not get caught I HOPE .IF you or TTI can do something to stop those people faster is better And Stop to say I lost some money Yes I lost money with those people .But I make money with Honest people *********************************************** | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Intermediate Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 454 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.93.139.153 |
For those thinking of joining, or those who are not sure what they have gotten themselves into please consider this for the sake of you family, friends and community. http://www.businessethics.org/EinEJan2001.pdf | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 212 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
Wow Loserdave most have a lot of time on his hand because it look me alittle bit to put even a short message up. How does he find the time. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 678 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
That of course is immaterial. What is material is that you are involved in a "pyramid fraud, a devastating con" that has harmed and will ultimately harm thousands of ordinary people. And you might find the time too if you're entire life had been desroyed by the likes of you being allowed to manipulate unchecked through out society. | ||
| comfortable (comfortable) Junior Member Username: comfortable Post Number: 49 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.69.255.203 |
Hey make7000 so far Lorie and I have been VERY successful this past month with TTI. If you would like a tip on how to get new people (instead of re-using the same people, and not building your residual) I suggest you call up your local newspaper (the most read) and place an ad under "business opportunities/investments" b/c thats what we have done. Let me tell you, if the right message is placed, you will have calls left, right and center. Its just a tip. | ||
| pro154 (pro154) New member Username: pro154 Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 24.222.92.239 |
"instead of re-using the same people" Thats a very scary quote. | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 123 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"pro154" - Not so much scary as it is "telling?". "Treasure Traders International Company" only benefits by feeding off the continual fuelling of its down-line investors. Without new blood, there is no "T.T.I.Co.". And yes, if that means they will eat their young if necessary, SO BE IT!! No, it would not be possible for anyone to confuse this operation as a "Fortune 500" company! It is a company that sells a product that has a small and limited market appeal and is packaged and presented as being worth astronomically more valuable then it is in the real world. Add to that almost unimaginable reality, the "old as time itself" pyramid structure that must have new recruits in order that the current investors can receive their financial due. And from where I sit my new posting friend, that is more than scary. That is insane!!!! Bruce | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 688 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
And I maintain also illegal under current law. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 689 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The point is this, if emeralds that are appraised at $5000 by one appraiser and $9100 by another can fetch as little $150 on the world wide market something is radically wrong. And when the Vice president tells a room full of unsophisticated people where gem stones are concerned, that these emeralds sell in retail stores for 50% more than TTI appraisals that is fraudulent misrepresentation Because you see, if you read you own material it clearly states that the appraised value of theses gemstones is not to be used as representing a retail value. You keep telling me to do my homework. Read you own material. Your own Vice President violated the rules of TTI and the laws of fraudulent misrepresentation. And of course the other point, which is the primary issue is that TTI is operating a pyramid fraud that can “pay off” the early participants without requiring anyone to complete the purchase of any product. Simply give $1200 to a “captain” find 2 others to do likewise and when everyone in the “chain” has fulfilled that obligation TTI receives $2,600, the captain $7000. And no one knows that better than “MAKE 7000" and I quote him again ...... “you make money recruiting people not selling product”....... You did write that “MAKE 7000"!!! | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 219 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.135.185 |
Make 7000- In real MLM companies, not fake ones, you make your $$$ by selling products to a group of retail customers. You can also make money from the sales made by your own distributors you train and support. Making money out of recruiting is clearly in violation of all laws. You CANNOT be paid for recruiting. It's TOTALLY ILLEGAL!!! | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 214 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
Then there are lots of campanies that need to be shut down!! I know shaklee for one. All the people that l know that sell it they sell it for cost becuase they make there money on the recruiting end. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 693 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
That does not excuse you ripping off your family and friends just because people in Shaklee, Amway QuiXstar etc., do!! | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 244 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
For the record, TTI still continues to operate legally, ethically, and does indeed offer the opportunity to earn income through the sale of gemstones...in other words, not much has changed since the last time I was here. It also appears Dave still does not comprehend what network marketing is about, yet still continues to whine about how the government isn’t closing down this business…go figure! I don’t think the “Emperor” needs to worry about murdering any “whistle-blower” because there really is no “whistle” to be blown…instead, the “Emperor” is too busy laughing at the “court jester” who mistakenly believes he’s the “whistle-blower”. Dave, you’ve wasted quite a bit of time on a war you’ve already lost, and it still boggles my mind that you actually still believe you’re right. Perseverance, persistence, and determination can go a long way...but this just a bit overboard. Oh well, how you choose to waste your time is all up to you. I’m sure you’ll probably be successful at turning heads away from this business (of course that’s only assuming that, like yourself, people haven’t bothered to see for themselves the difference between network marketing and illegal pyramids, but in the end, your mathematical formulas remain inaccurate. BTW, has anybody managed to divide their two pies by one-half yet…I’m still trying to find the square-root of mine.  God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 760 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The mathematical formulas proving the fallibility of pyramid schemes including TTI that I post are not mine. These formulas are clearly recognized by law enforcement including the FBI and INTERPOLE and those who activity fight pyramid fraud throughout the world. The only reason TTI is not being closed down in Canada yet is due to the number of corrupt police, judges, lawyers and politicians involved in it. The threats are real. I have already looked down the barrel of a loaded police officer's gun and witnessed, in his eyes, the prejudice and hate of police exposed. I have also been "raked" through the court system several times on the perjured evidence of police and liars they were able to coerce, even otherwise decent people. The power of police to influence citizens testimony is enormous and is being revealed everyday as more and more people are being exonerated and released from jail due to tainted evidence induced, coerced and influenced by corrupt police. They would have little trouble, I surmise, enlisting you lot to lie to trump up more false charges. Call special OPP investigator Bill Sword Peterborough Ontario. Perhaps you can start a new conspiracy and cover-up. It is obvious you are morally bankrupt with no facts left that have not been torn to shreads with the truth. And again the simple truth is, without the completion of a sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above. You have nothing intellectual left to fight with. You must resort to nothing but your ridiculous and childish schoolyard bulling and ridicule tactics. The truth is out and the Emperor indeed has no clothes. Even that well recognized moral lesson in life taught for over a hundred years to children to enlighten them about hucksters like you lot, you treat with contempt and ridicule. You expose your own idiocy will little help from me!!! God Help You "Fake Truth" and Huckster Benny Hinn. You promoting TTI provide false hopes of Financial Independence, Hinn provides False Hopes to a young boy he will see again, and a 8 year old little girl with twisted legs she will walk again. Like you who make your predicable victims believe they are lazy losers, Hinn makes the unhealed children believe they are bad, lack enough faith, and do not love Jesus enough to be healed. After all Hinn posseses the power to heal them, it's their fault they are still crippled. It's enough to make decent people weep. You disgusting sick hucksters!!! P.S. What do you have to say about Phone Busters who are telling people it appears TTI is a pyramid and they quote from the CBC's story from Ottawa? (Message edited by gatordave on June 27, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 252 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
...and yet antoher excuse referencing corrupt government. So, perhaps the FBI and INTERPOLE must also clearly recognize that network marketing also can involve the growth through a pyrmid structure, otherwise Amway/Quixtar would've have been shut down years ago...just something you might want to ponder on...since you still don't get it. Sorry to add more fuel to the fire, but Dave it's so obvious you are wrong! Either accept it or keep wasting your time. God bless. | ||
| pro154 (pro154) New member Username: pro154 Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 24.222.92.239 |
She's a gonna blow soon... | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 256 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
I sure hope so, cause I've seen that same prediction hundreds of times in the forum for the last year. Speaking of false hopes... God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 766 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"TRUTH" (that is definitely "tongue in cheek"). Now, I can't figure out what you’re babbling about. Am way was apparently operating a pyramid or some other type of fraud and shut down like many other so-called network marketing companies. You appear to be trying to tell me most network marking is illegal fraud. And I agree, which incidently is the opinion of Robert FitzPatrick of Pyramid Fraud Alert who travels the world warning governments, appearing in court as a professional and appearing on T.V. Now what’s your point? You continually evade the simple fact that without the completion of any sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above. That’s it. Anything else is an addendum and pure B.S. And for that revelation, and the fact corrupt, police, government officials, politicians etc., and a Judge or two are involved in TTI and the former “WEW”pyramid I truly believe I will be killed or otherwise violently and unjustly injured or dealt with. And you still have not addressed the issue of Phone Busters passively warning citizens this is a pyramid and suggesting they not get involved. What about it? | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 262 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Seriously, do I really need to spell it out for you Dave? Come on now, if anyone here is babbling, it’s obviously you…there’s absolutely no doubt about that. I mean, you’ve been posting in this ridiculous forum for how many months now and time after time you’ve posted the same info you’ve posted months ago, and time after time you’ve continued to fail to bring down this legitimate organization that you claim to be an illegal pyramid fraud. You’re back at square one and you’re not making very much progress. You see, I’m not trying to evade anything, because in essence there really is nothing to hide. This business is out in the open for everyone to see, investigate, and understand….so regardless of whether you decide to continue to misinterpret the information presented to you, it really does not change the simple fact that this business really does follow all laws. So here’s your argument…”without the completion of any sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above.” Well Dave, let me ask you one simple question…when someone puts their $1200 towards the purchase of gemstones in this business, have they or have they not completed the purchase so that all they need to do is pick up the gemstones? This is a simple "Yes" or "No" answer, so we really don't need to post a 10 page essay. Now, if your response is “No, they must add another $600 plus taxes to complete the purchase.”…my reply will be “Dave, I'm sorry, wrong answer...look closer.” When you finally come to your senses and finally say to yourself, “Hey, would you look at that…a purchase is actually completed.” then we can continue. Until then, there really is no point moving forward because if you don’t understand this one simple aspect of the business, there is no possible way you’ll be able to understand it as a whole. We’ll go over how it is mathematically possible for a pyramid to go on forever and ever (and ever and ever and ever), when you’ve shown that you’re ready. God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 275 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
BTW, Amway is not out of business…but of course we know this is just one of the many lies you continue to post. You can visit their website at http://www.amway.com if you’d like to see for yourself. There’s also some info showing the difference between a business opportunity and a pyramid scheme there that you might wanna look at before you decide to continue pretending that you know what is legal and what isn’t…because the fact that this business is still operating really has nothing to do with the government being corrupt. The direct link to that page is: http://www.amway.com/en/BusOpp/business-opportunity-or-pyramid-scheme-10082.aspx God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 784 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
TTI is a pyramid ripping off young people and seniors and the unsuspecting as well as recuiting criminals who know exactly what it is about. And you are one sick bastard. And the fact remains racists OPP "blew away" Native Dudley George for protesting a land depute. I am protesting corruption within the Police, the Government and the Judiciary and the Law Society that knows full well my of their corrupt lawyers were and are involved in pyramid scams particularly “WEW”. Police on the instruction of government can "blow me away in an instant." That lesson is clear. And you may be right they may take the longer approach and file more false documents and false allegation forcing me into a mental institution as they did Howard Gowan a Saskatchewan farmer who complained of the theft of half dozen cows. Check the McDonald Enquiry into RCMP Wrongdoing and check www.injusticebusters.com . Ask your RCMP and government about that one. They don’t like questions about that one. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 283 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Now Dave, let's concentrate on the issue at hand rather than constantly referencing past occurrences that have no direct relation to TTI whatsoever. You've been doing that from the very beginning and it really has no bearing on this case. Sure, you can argue how this past incidences can repeat itself, but alternatively I can argue how other network marketing business are operating just fine and how those who have opposed these businesses are alive and kicking…so quit sidetracking our readers and stick to the topic. As for TTI ripping people off, that’s just another lie that is easily exposed. For everyone that comes into the business and successfully personally sells gempacks as intended while ensuring their team is doing the same, they will be seeing profit. The only people losing are those who are not doing the work required. Face it Dave, if these people aren’t successful at creating sales, they’re not gonna see a cent …this is clear with every business…that’s the bottom line. If you can give me an example of someone who is running their business exactly as TTI has explained and is creating sales, but has yet to see income, then maybe you have a case. But right now, all you’ve got to support your view are people who haven’t made sales according to plan…so really there is no argument there. End of story. Anyway, your answer to the question presented is still wrong so when you get it right we can discuss this further. Until then feel free to keep wasting your time here. If you want to continue babbling some more, feel free. Keeping you off the streets is probably safer for all of us anyway…including yourself. Have a good day Dave! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 792 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I agree lets just conscentrate on the issues. The answer to your question, NO! absolutely not. a recruit's purchase is not complete with the certificate. The recruit must be relieved of considerably more money to complete a purchase of relatively worthless gemstones. A recruit however, can burn the certificate, buy no product, and still play the pyramid board "sucking" in family and friend paying TTI $2600 evertime he/she "sucks" in 8 new victims. That is the very typical "naked" pyramid fraud. Your "smoke screen" product is unmasked and your are a devious LIAR! | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 798 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
“TRUTH” (sic) WROTE "We’ll go over how it is mathematically possible for a pyramid to go on forever and ever and ever and ever and ever, when you’ve shown that you’re ready. God bless. Now we get to it!! Just read that line over several times then read Orwell about the future government and the mind manipulators like “TRUTH” “We will torture you until you say 2x2=5. Then we will torture you until you believe it!!” That is this psychological “mind bending” LIAR that bills himself as the self proclaimed “TRUTH.” He will go over, and over, and over, a mathematical impossibility until you say it. Then continue until you believe it. In the meantime TTI boards are “stalling” all over Canada because of the true mathematical certainty that pyramid scams cannot possibly go on for ever, and ever, and ever, and ever. This LIAR should be locked up in jail for perpetrating this fraud on children, seniors and the unsuspecting, and enlisting other criminals who know the scam, or if he truly believes his own LIES HE should be lock in a mental facility to protect the innocent people he is infecting with this propaganda nonsense. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 291 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Come on Dave, you can barely understand 3 simple options at the back of the deposit receipt certificate to answer my simple "yes" or "no" question correctly...so you're obviously not ready to get into the mathematical part of it. And nice try labelling me as the liar when we can all seen who is lying here (Liar=GatorDave). Keep trying, you may get the answer right someday…and if you never get it right, don’t worry, we won’t think any less of you. Good luck buddy! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 806 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Either TTI or the government must be paying you heavily to keep you churning out your lying propaganda. You say "undersatnd"??? It's not a question of understanding I "see through" your LIES. You continually evade the simple fact that without the completion of any sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above. Now, is it or is it not possible for someone with $1200 to play the pyramid board constantly without ever completing the purchase of a gemstone? To complete the purchase of a gemstone requires more money and added tax or it is not a completed sale. Any rational truthful person knows that? You are simply a paid LIAR. P.S. by the way I see you do agree that the rest is in fact an option which I have maintained all along. You can play a naked pyramid which definitley requires $1200, but the purchase of any product is an option. An option, absolutly unnecessary. (Message edited by gatordave on June 28, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 300 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still clueless Dave? Ok, well I guess this 50/50 thing just isn’t working for you (good thing it wasn’t a multiple choice question…i.e. A,B,C and D). So since we can’t get passed this one simple question, let’s try another one related to the same area of discussion. From what I recall, there should be 3 options on the back of the purchase order deposit receipt certificates…pop quiz: What are the 3 options (verbatim) indicated? Feel free to use as many “lifelines” as you wish (I recommend staying away from the 50/50 lifeline though, cause…well, y’know...). This should help us understand how much you really know about this business (and trust me, this is the easy stuff). Also, neither TTI nor the government pays me to post here…nor do the corrupt cops, politicians, judges, lawyers, jail guards, government employees, government agents, teachers, accountants, doctors, babysitters, paperboys, disk jockeys, McDonald's crew members, Wal-Mart cashiers, Superstore rollerbladers, Dell computer helpdesk agents, car salesmen, Domo gas attendants, NBA basketball players, city street cleaners, auto mechanics, 7-eleven clerks, personal bankers, NASA astronauts, taxi drivers, financial advisors, travel agents, bar tenders, admin assistants, bus drivers, software developers, window washers, metal workers, seamstresses, professional skateboarders, supermodels, architects, project managers, marketing analysts, dieticians, university professors, warehouse managers, dog pound attendants, high school volleyball referees…etc. So accusing me of getting paid for what I write here is just another lie of yours exposed (but what else is new?). So, who pays you to lie consistently anyway? Take care Dave! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 813 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Your a LIAR and a manipulator, I will rely on those reading these threads to sort that out for themselves. You have the greatest weapon working for you. Few victims speak out and unfortunately many who lose don't even realize they have been scammed | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 306 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
In other words....you don't have the answer, do you? Enough said. I rest my case. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 832 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The answer is simple. This is a scam run by very intelligent deceiving individuals. | ||
| happy_with_tti (happy_with_tti) New member Username: happy_with_tti Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.59.167.161 |
Your the only one trying to be deceptive here GatorDave. You've never in your 700 posts pointed out something illegal with TTI. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 833 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"HAPPY_WTH_TTI" wrote..... "Your the only one trying to be deceptive here GatorDave. You never in your 700 posts pointed out something illegal with TTI." The whole thing is illegal and is pointed out quite accurately by the RCMP on their website and dozens more websites. But like the “WEW” pyramid fraud that everyone now knows and agrees was illegal, the corrupt Government refused to close them down for nearly four years until the corrupt judges wives, lawyers, politicians, school board officials, doctors, accountants, people in the media, church ministers, etc., etc., had their pockets full of money at which point they prosecuted a few token “lambs to slaughter” (a farmers wife, a widow etc.,) then TTI was immediately started to fill the void so these corrupt government officials, police etc., could continue. In fact it wasn’t until the "fraud virus" entered the US and and really “ticked off” State Attorneys General that the Canada Government reluctantly closed it down. This is simply a re-run of the same corruption. Now, as you well know I am the only Canadian who has thoroughly researched this and has named corrupt police, politicians, school board officials, lawyers, people in the media and the Law Society of Upper Canada etc. And you must realize too that I am going to be killed just as surely as Dudley was for attempting to expose this and do something about it. I can only hope that someone in the world news media, or other power will stumble over this site and step in here and expose this to the masses, or the victims will have the courage to unite and complain on mass, otherwise I fear I will be killed. You think this is all a joke. Either you are ignorant as to what goes on in this county, and content to keep yourself that way, or you are knowingly part of the corruption. http://www.artspan.com/forums/read.php?f=6&i=134&t=134 P.S. No one yet has given a satisfactory answer as to why TTI has not taken this corruption into the U.S. Remember another TTI hollow promise they would open there last October? Months ago I reported this to the FBI, several State Attorneys General and opened a file with the FTC. So I'm still waiting to see if TTI is going to try to tap the largest market close to home, where crooks go to jail for up to 20 years for this kind of fraud. By the way Kippax how much time you get the last time for weapon's, drugs, and assault? And therein lies a good reason for me to believe with your millions, Kippax you can now pay someone to do your dirty work instead of personally assaulting or worse. You have the best on your side. Your have corrupt vicious cops. In the news recently one of the night club owners or associate in Toronto was found dead and it was reported there is reason to believe cops were involved. Certianly police have been threatening, intimidating and assulting people. That I have already experienced first hand, along with face to face threats from your Captains, Kippax. (Message edited by gatordave on July 04, 2005) | ||
| happy_with_tti (happy_with_tti) New member Username: happy_with_tti Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.95.164.169 |
So what you basically are saying GatorDave is TTI is as corrupt as all the judges wives, lawyers, politicians, school board officials, doctors, accountants, people in the media, church ministers, and police officers who assault people at random. Phew..... I was starting to get worried there. Once again..from a Captain's stand point, I've never been so happy with this company and there tightening up on compliance. Everything in this company is very squeeky clean. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 842 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You seem to have gotten it, “HAPPY_WITH_TTI” albeit facetiously. It is a matter of record “WEW” pyramid was illegal. Token people were prosecuted even a token former politician’s wife and two daughters in the Durham Region. The names of the active politicians were covered-up like the example of the criminal activity of former Mayor Lastman’s wife. Frederick Wilson a dirty deceptive lawyer from Kincardine testified his wife was involved in “WEW”. (that’s fact and that’s on the record). She and at lest seven more prominent citizens although thoroughly investigated by OPP special investigator Bill Sword were never charged nor their names exposed. Even the investigation into the Kincardine Corruption by Sword was kept from the citizens of Kincardine and Canada. The general public were never informed that Sword had even been to Kincardine investigating these high profile people. I am the only person in Canada who has dared reveal this special investigation by corrupt OPP and the names of those involved including OPP Officer Bill Sword (gutless corrupt crime-covering-up-news media included). So, much for the proof of the corruption of police, lawyers, judges and politicians etc. And even a dirty slimy thieving Crown Attorney. And now to address your remarks about police random assaults. The court record of cases over the decades already adjudicated and investigations and Royal Commissions into police wronging, and wrongful deaths, involvement with organized crime, drugs, extortion theft etc.; the specific inquiry into the shooting death of Native Dudley George, resulting in the conviction of an OPP officer, the wrongful death of the 18year-year-old Native in Saskatoon in which police were convicted and are serving time in jail, and any number of police crimes in Canada that would keep you reading for a years full time proves my simple truth that police not only assault people at random, as you have in fact now seem to grasp, but also target individuals and “set up” situations with anything from brute force, false police reports, false rumours and perjury to cover-up and distract from their involvement in crime. Now, “HAPPY_WITH_TTI” you impress me as someone who has no idea what is going on in your country and it appears to me you seldom read news. Today Wednesday July 06 2005 Toronto Star page B2.... Quote... “The Toronto Court of Appeal has decided a former Crown Attorney who stole $48,355 from a memorial scholarship fund can serve part of his sentence under house arrest....” His name Bryan Davies One can only imagine how many young people, street people and the homless this slim has successfully prosecuted for petty shoplifting and theft under 200 bucks. Image stealing from a Memorial Fund. Why don’t you recruit this piece of slim and show him how to rip off just ordinary children, seniors, singles mothers, along side of corrupt judges, politicians and image even teachers, lawyers, police etc. who have, up to now, maintained the combined power to keep their thefts by fraud out of the courts and the newspapers. So, It should be apparent to anyone reading these posts that TTI criminals and its genuinely “brainwashed” are simply attempting to deny the undeniable, or as “VOICE” has pointed out “tell a lie long enough” and people will believe it....However...... “Truth can never be told so as to be understood, and not be believed. William Blake, The Proverbs of Hell” “Truth suppressed, whether by courts or crooks, will find an avenue to be told. Sheila Steele www.injusticebusters.com And that's what this whole thing is a suppression of the truth by courts, crooks, and media" | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 854 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
HERE WE GO AGAIN Ordinary citizens charged with fraud but without ties to the elite, the government or the judiciary will have their names published in the news. Who is this unnamed Calgary Cop charged with Pyramid Fraud. Is he/she the token sacrificed cop in another "secret hoard of them" in this pyramid like the other pyramid frauds permeating Canada promoted by corrupt judges, politicians, police etc., And will he/she get the "golden slap on the wrist" and the "wink wink" by another corrupt judge if this cop’s case ever gets to court. And in Calgary or anywhere if anyone out there has any information of a rats nest of cops or the like email me at www.gatoraid@sympatico.ca I'll publish this one's name or any other. Perhaps we will eventually expose a corrupt Judge. Maybe that corrupt London Ontario Judge. Has anyone the courage to give me his/her name? How about you big mouth “VOICE” or you “b.s TRUTH” you’re supposed to be running a legal (lol) pyramid according to your criminal president so why wouldn’t you want the country to know the name of one of your most (lol) credible and prestigious distributors -a judge-. I already published the retired OPP crook’s name in London CHUCK DOORE!! London Ont is a real “cess-pool” of high profile pyramid freaks. In the “WEW” fraud none were criminally exposed nor names published by the corrupt London Free (lol) Press or TV . (One of the top (over $100,000) fraud freaks Mhaira Walsh's husband is an employee of London TV Mike Walsh) Check out the Calgary Cop and the pyramid!!! http://www.am770chqr.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428109912&rem=13242&red=80110923aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm gatordave P.S. My so-called fantastic stories that “VOICE” and “b.s- TRUTH” repeatedly tell readers are lies, are certainly gaining credibility in the wake of convictions of cops for killing citizens, “railroading” them into mental institutions” threatening and extorting club owners, politicians for shoplifting, police for running pyramid frauds, a Crown Attorney for stealing from a memorial fund etc., etc., and these are only the tiny few on the tip of the giant iceberg of corruption that fell threw the well protected “net of deceit” that is our judicial system and had to be reluctantly exposed or semi-exposed. “Truth suppressed, whether by courts or crooks, will find an avenue to be told. Sheila Steele” www.injusticebusters.com | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 857 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The cops name is KIRK McCALLUM. It was in fact published (unlike Ontario) from an earlier broadcast. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 869 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
THIS IS TTI CLEAR AND SIMPLE http://www.cockeyed.com/ebay/scam/laptop_pyramids.html | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 870 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
In the news today July 11 2005. ..... Comments from the election in Albania last Sunday. http://news.ft.com/cms/s/4ca97c46-f1a7-11d9-9c3e-00000e2511c8.html “He resigned the presidency eight years ago amid turmoil caused by the collapse of five fraudulent pyramid savings schemes whose investors included half the cabinet and most finance ministry employees.” 5 schemes collapsed the entire country. And look who were involved! Anyone who believes, contrary to the revelation of names and positions posted by both pro and con TTI on this board that this is not happening with corrupt police, even (Barry Elliot) in the Phone Busters program, politicians, and other government people, and those corrupt officials attract, simply have chosen to "close their eyes and hold their noses". See no evil and smell no corruption. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 884 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Another Pyramid Suicide. Only thankfully it was the perpetrator rather than another "brain washed" victim who got family and friends involved. "Drama around convicted swindler ends in suicide Aftenposten - Oslo, Norway ... until his financial empire fell like a house of cards amidst fraud charges ... swindled fromangry creditors, both in the 1980s and in alleged pyramid schemes just ...... Continues" http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1078902.ece p.s. Wonder if he had a prior record of assault, drugs and weapons" | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 885 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
This is from the Dudley George Inquiry "In his ruling, Judge Fraser said he rejected Deane's testimony that he shot at an armed man preparing to fire on his fellow officers. The judge found Deane knew Dudley George was unarmed and then "concocted a story ... in an ill-fated attempt to disguise the fact that an unarmed man was shot." He also rejected testimony from two other officers, deeming it "fabricated." http://www.monitor.net/monitor/free2/ipperwash.html That is what the police and my government in Ontario are capable of. It is a classic example of the corrupt perjuring Ontario Provincial Police fabricating evidence as they did, and are doing to me. I have never owned gun, I dislike guns, but police have now caused false information stating I had a gun to be put in official files. All that is necessary is that police shoot me and put a gun in my vehicle. It's as easy as finding a person police know is a liar and willing to file a false report then give perjured evidence in court that "I threatened to rape my estranged wife." which is exactly what the OPP Officer did. It is corrupt OPP offer Bill Sword who was at the Dudley George shooting and who also investigated then covered up for the police officers relatives and politicians etc. involved in the "WEW" pyramid fraud and now refusing to do anything about the police,the judge, lawyers etc., involved in the TTI fraud. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 898 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
This is what the US military is doing to combat crooks like Kippax with their complicated double-talking pyramid frauds and "GO-Trading" schemes. "New program helps enlisted troops fight fraud San Diego Union Tribune - San Diego,CA,USA ... These include fraudulent Individual Retirement Account investments, Ponzi and pyramid schemes, illegal securities sales, Internet fraud and what is called ...cont http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20050714-1014-bn14taps.html And charges filed against other Chief of Police for fraud and breach of duty in another pyramid fraud that saw citizens bilked for millions. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/599787.html | ||
| revooh (revooh) New member Username: revooh Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 209.240.124.61 |
Hi Gator, I was recently approached by someone who was promoting the value of Treasure Traders. I have spent a little time researching on the internet and I notice you seem to be the resident expert. My ex-wife recently became involved in a similar orginization and she speaks very highly of it (not to me ... to my sister in law who I recently began dating). I am trying to find someone in my area who can relate. Wondering in Wiarton | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 899 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Lets discuss that similar organization your writing about. They all work pretty much alike and the people are often linked. I don't know if the "gifting schemes" are again starting up here but warnings have been issued in Ireland just this week that the old "Women Empowering Women" pyramid scam has started up again there. This is the other scam that went through our area of Kincardine, Walkerton, Port Elgen Owen Sound etc., in which cops relatives, politcians, lawyer and their wives were involved but covered up. Send me an email at gatoraid@sympatico.ca I can probably give you any information you require including names involved in that pyramid in our area, and organizations fighting these frauds. I have been researching these frauds for 2 years and can share much information. | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 221 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
  I hate seeing loserdasves name so many times | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 318 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still operating with no government intervention...LEGAL. Facts are facts! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 947 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The simple answer to "FALSE TRUTH’S" question is that any RCMP officer regardless of their beliefs and evidence will tell you it is not their responsibility. The RCMP in Calgary after their initial investigation which convinced them TTI should be investigated as an illegal pyramid, passed their investigation to Industry Canada. The RCMP don’t care how illegal TTI is, they will tell you it is out of their jurisdiction unless they are specifically called upon to conduct an in depth investigation. So, we are back to Industry Canada which uses the excuse “there are so many fraudulent pyramid schemes out there we are unable to enforce the law.” (There is no excuse however, not to at least adequately inform the public so they are aware.) Now readers, this huckster billing himself as “TRUTH” does not want you to get anywhere near the truth. Call RCMP Officer Corporal Roussel Fraud Division 403-292-6923 I’m sure he will verify that the RCMP does not simply conclude these scams are illegal then close them down. That is what this anonymous crook would have you believe, and in the absence of such action then proves TTI is legal. As I have maintained all along he is a word twisting fact twisting liar. What he tries to get you to “swallow” is so far from the truth it is ridiculous and laughable. Ask this huckster who he is. This is the first thing you should ask him before you consider believing a word he says. Remember “CONSIDER_IT” he finally identified himself as Rob Moore from northern Alberta explaining his reasons and motives for supporting TTI as well as some of his reservations. It was he on departing this forum who stated on Jan. 08 2005 @ 1:52 pm “Oh, and “MAKE_7000" , You’re an asshole.” I would be genuinely interested in his views and observations of anyone he knows that got involved with TTI months ago. For the sake of truth. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 954 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
TO ALL I just got off the phone with Corporal Roussel of the RCMP He says that the natter was passed to Corporal McDonald then to Industry Canada. Now, although Roussel agrees that the mere fact TTI says the RCMP are not closing down TTI does not make them legal, he is really pissed off about the whole thing and as I said he doesn’t give a damn if TTI is legal or not or if TTI distributors tell the world they have the approval of the Better Business Bureau and have the backing of Industry Canada as some have done, and he could care less if the family in Mississauga is ripped off for $8000 or anyone else for matter including 16 year old children and seniors. He is pissed off I even brought this to his attention and slammed the phone on me. But the truth is because the RCMP doesn’t close TTI down does not make them legal. Call these RCMP Officers and ask them. 403-292-6923. They are the servants of the people and you have the right to ask them questions on law enforcement. So, although it’s a filthy lie that TTI is legal because the RCMP are not closing them down, it is me who is going to be killed by police if I don’t keep my mouth shut. The classic and literal case of “shoot the messenger.” Dudley George, “lest we forget.” . You see readers and Bruce Audley, this is how the Canadian Systems works to deny knowledge of “white collar crime” and political corruption to the average citizens who do not have special friends in the Attorney General’s Department.. dave. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 330 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Or perhaps it's really just legal....simple as that. ...but I guess your story sounds much more exciting...we'll take it! So when should we start evacuating this corrupt country that we live in? God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 966 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
For you corrupt individuals. The sooner the better. And I'm hoping your victims will join together to give you the needed boost. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 338 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Sounds good! We'll follow your lead! Please take us to the place that does not have a corrupt government (by your definition). Remember, Canada and UK are totally out of the picture...it appears Amway, a network marketing business that grows in a pyramid structure, is allowed in Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, United States, Uruguay, Venezuela, Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom, China, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Australia, Brunei, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand...so we'll probably wanna avoid those places too. Our options are a bit limited, but if/when you find a government that doesn’t allow these filthy pyramid businesses, why don’t you go ahead, and we’ll catch up to ya in a bit. Thanks a bunch...and may the Force be with you Gatorman! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 977 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You sure sound desperate, but, glad you're finally waking up to reality and finally in agreement with me. All governments are riddled with corruption ours included. Now we have clearly established that after over a year of denial, that's why it is up to right minded citizens in every country to take a stand against corruption like you by keep plucking the rotten apples from the barrel to protect what’s left. I don’t want to leave, I simple want our country to be cleaner, and if we can help other countries maybe we can have a cleaner world. If you corrupt scum would just leave this country voluntarily all the better. At least one country would be closer to ideal. | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 230 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
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| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 343 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
So now it’s NOT JUST the Canadian government that you believe it’s corrupt…it’s ALL OF THE GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD? Sorry if I sound rude, but that is the absolute most ridiculous piece of fiction you’ve come up with so far (ok, maybe some of your other stories might be a bit more ridiculous, but this falls somewhere at the top of the charts). No seriously…you are joking right? I mean, you actually don’t believe all these numerous countries ALL OVER THE WORLD are in conspiracy to protect the existence of what you believe to be illegal pyramids. I think it’s safe to conclude at this point that you are TRULY CRAZY…actually, it was safe to conclude that a long time ago, but if you actually believe that the opinions of a single man such as yourself are far greater than the laws created by governments around the world, then I think it’s not the world that is wrong and it’s really just you. It doesn’t take a math expert, lawyer, or gemstone professional to figure that out…all it takes is some common sense. Since it’s pretty obvious your mission to bring down all these governments will result miserable failure, I might as well say it to you now…”I told you so!”  God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 984 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Now B.S. “TRUTH”, First your anonymous secondly, your ridiculous. Here you go again setting up your own straw men then knocking your own B.S. You are absolutely ridiculous. I am not trying to bring any government down. It is your criminal element trying to do that as they successfully accomplished in Albania. I am simply and obviously trying to my part to clean it up. These facts are not something I made up. They are from the websites of the CIA, FBI, Interpol, Scotland Yard etc., etc., and echoed by ethical politicians worldwide and the IMF. I’m simply revealing these facts and the source., You ridiculous anonymous “white collar criminal.” Do reader see that it is these people law enforcement around the world are warning us about? You were pretty good there for a while, before the predictable truth began to immerge. Your now feeble attempts to confuse readers are just getting too transparent. It sounds like you are tying to tell us there is NO CORRUPTION IN GOVERNMENTS lol. Just like there’s no corruption in TTI. Still lol. You are a joke!! | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 242 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.136.39 |
To ALL Be very, very careful about smooth talkers like Voice and the other one calling himself The truth. FACTS-FACTS-FACTS-PROOFS-PROOFS-PROOFS 1- TTI has no positive opinion letter from Industry Canada or Federal authorities, binding on the Commissioner, that they can show you and us. Why? If they are so sure their system is legal, why not asking for such an opinion letter as other REAL and ETHICAL MLM companies do BEFORE going on the market? Such a TTI favourable letter, from the Commissioner, would have the clear and fast effect of shutting all of us, the ANTI TTI people. We challenge all Pro TTI people to come to this room with a copy of such a letter. 2- TTI is claiming to be an honest MLM company but is not a DSA or MLMIA member that represent REAL MLM companies. http://www.dsa.ca - http://dsa.org - http://www.mlmia.org - http://mlmlegal.com . TTI is not a DSA member since it would imply Mr. Kippax to be binded personally. Mr. Kippax could NOT hide himself BEHIND the corporate veil as he is doing right now with TTI. 3- TTI has a buy-back policy of 10 days for its customers and distributors, which is against the industry practices, they are claiming to be in, with MLM companies, that have a minimum of 90%-90 days and 1 year one up to an illimited period for all DSA members, for their DISTRIBUTORS wanting to end their relationship with a specific company, due to the specific nature of the MLM business. Feel free to check the Federal Government presentation, supporting ANTI TTI (CROOKS) claims at: http://mmprodnt.ic.gc.ca/mmpub/competitionbureau/content/language_select_noframe.html For the buy-back policy, just go to Slide 8, in Set TWO, and Slides 5-6-7 in SET THREE. 4- You have to wait for 14 members to be on your team BEFORE receiving your $500 on your first sale, $500 on your second one, and $6000 on your group: 2 + 4 + 8, for a total of $7000. 5- That means that you're paid for sponsoring, which is totaly ILLEGAL. If you don't sponsor, you get nothing save papers (certificates). You still have to GIVE a lot of money to TRY to trade your certificates with Go Trading, that is a totally newcomer on the market and is not known by the industry. In fact, Gotrading registered their domain name on March 30, 2004. You can check GoTrading is a REAL newcomer on the Whois site displaying the following info about them: "Domain GOTRADING.NET Date Registered: 3/30/2004 Date Modified: 10/26/2004 Expiry Date: 3/30/2005 DNS1: ns.gotrading.net DNS2: ns.gotrading.net Registrant 2024583 Ontario Limited 181 Greenwood Ave Toronto, ON (CA) M4L 2P8 Administrative Contact GOtrading.net Marketing Manager 439 King St W, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103476qqmt@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Technical Contact GOtrading.net Tech Support 439 King St w, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103478mcmk@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Registrar: Namescout.com" 6- Go to any jewellery store in your area and ask them if they would even accept to buy your TTI stones. 7- If TTI ceases its activities at any point in time, TTI will not have the money to pay ALL of its distributors since it is depending on newcomers to pay the CAPTAINS. 8- Only 1 out of 15 will be paid, the CAPTAINS. 9- 14 out of 15 will lose their money. 10- Most of them will be left with pieces of paper with the only paper value. 11- Pro TTI people have been unable, up to know, to clearly give us a clear payout for only ONE Gem-Pack as any other LEGAL and HONEST organization can do easily. $ % Retail Price: ? 100% Wholesale Price: ? ? Retail Profit: ? ? Bonuses on group volume: ? ? Other overrides if any: ? ? Total PAYOUT: ? ? 12- Mr. Stephen Knight has been fired from the JJ international network of appraisers on beginning of November 2004, for ETHICS VIOLATION, as you can read CLEARLY on the Jewelry Judge's site at: http://www.jewelryjudge.net/SK.html 13- If you get caught, you could go to JAIL for 5 years and be fined up to $200,000. 14- With a criminal record, you will be unable to pass the customs to go to USA. 15- You will lose your friends, your credibility and your respectability. 16- If you're ready to work hard and put time and dedication in it, there is a lot of REAL good and legal opportunities out on the market. So... open your eyes BEFORE being caught in the TTI PYRAMIDAL and PONZI SCHEME!! | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 348 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still legal and still running... God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 250 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.136.39 |
Truth- Please, call Industry Canada 800-348-5358 and ask for Dominique Dion. They have totally denounced and refuted your propaganda b.s., b.s. “TRUTH”. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 361 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still perfectly legal... God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 272 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.134.66 |
To ALL FACTS-FACTS-FACTS-PROOFS-PROOFS-PROOFS 1- TTI has no positive opinion letter from Industry Canada or Federal authorities, binding on the Commissioner, that they can show you and us. Why? If they are so sure their system is legal, why not asking for such an opinion letter as other REAL and ETHICAL MLM companies do BEFORE going to the market? Even after many requests from us, we have seen NO PROOFS up to now, NOTHING... Such a TTI favourable letter, from the Commissioner, would have the clear and fast effect of shutting all of us, the ANTI TTI people. We challenge all Pro TTI people to come to this room with a copy of such a letter. You will see babbling and nice tries of shutting us, but nothing save trying to discredit and shut us by any means. 2- TTI is claiming to be an honest MLM company but is not a DSA or MLMIA member that represent REAL MLM companies. http://www.dsa.ca - http://dsa.org - http://www.mlmia.org - http://mlmlegal.com . TTI is not a DSA member since it would imply Mr. Kippax to be binded personally, as the president of TTI. Mr. Kippax could NOT hide himself BEHIND the corporate veil as he is doing right now with TTI. 3- Check the Better Business Bureau Report, about TTI, at: http://www.bbbmwo.ca/commonreport.html?bid=1080830 Like usual with their VICTIMS, no answer!!! 4- TTI has a buy-back policy of ONLY 10 days for its customers and distributors, which is against the industry practices, they are claiming to be in. Honest MLM companies have a minimum of 90%-90 days and 1 year one up to an illimited period for all DSA members, for their DISTRIBUTORS wanting to end their relationship with a specific company, due to the specific nature of the MLM business. Feel free to check the Federal Government presentation, supporting ANTI TTI claims at: http://mmprodnt.ic.gc.ca/mmpub/competitionbureau/content/language_select_noframe.html For the buy-back policy, just go to Slide 8, in Set TWO, and Slides 5-6-7 in SET THREE. 5- You have to wait for 14 members to be on your team BEFORE receiving your $500 on your first sale, $500 on your second one, and $6000 on your group: you recruit 2 that recruit 4 (2 each) that recruit 8 (2 each), for a total of 14 members (victims). Then and only then you get your $7000. You depend on the newcomers to get your own money, which is TOTALLY ILLEGAL. 6- That means that you're paid for sponsoring, which is totaly ILLEGAL. If you don't sponsor, you get nothing save papers (certificates). You still have to GIVE a lot of money to TRY to trade your certificates with Go Trading or otherwise. Go Trading is a totally newcomer on the market and is not known by the industry. Go Trading is a FAKE. In fact, Gotrading registered their domain name on March 30, 2004. You can check GoTrading is a REAL newcomer on the Whois site displaying the following info about them: "Domain GOTRADING.NET Date Registered: 3/30/2004 Date Modified: 10/26/2004 Expiry Date: 3/30/2005 DNS1: ns.gotrading.net DNS2: ns.gotrading.net Registrant 2024583 Ontario Limited 181 Greenwood Ave Toronto, ON (CA) M4L 2P8 Administrative Contact GOtrading.net Marketing Manager 439 King St W, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103476qqmt@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Technical Contact GOtrading.net Tech Support 439 King St w, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103478mcmk@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Registrar: Namescout.com" 7- Go to any jewellery store in your area and ask them if they would even accept to buy your TTI stones. You could also go on EBay and "discover" you can buy a lot of TTI "treasures" for pennies in the dollar. What a deal!!! 8- If TTI ceases its activities at any point in time, TTI will not have the money to pay ALL of its distributors since it is depending on newcomers to pay the CAPTAINS, which is a clear sign for a non-ending chain, TOTALLY ILLEGAL. 9- Only 1 out of 15 will be paid, the CAPTAINS. 10- 14 out of 15 will lose their money. In fact there is thousands and thousands of LOSERS, all over the country, trying to get their money back. In fact, there is 6.66 winners and 93.33 LOSERS for each slice of 100 people joining this SCAM, the CAPTAINS. We have seen the most courageous VICTIMS coming to this board and being ridiculised by "A H" like Voice, the one calling himself "God...", "Pickled Brains"and Make 7000 that himself quitted a "so good opportunity"... 11- Most of the VICTIMS will be left with pieces of paper, with their only paper value, or nothing at all. They are said and encouraged to get more "VICTIMS" to cover their losses and recover their money. 12- Pro TTI people have been unable, up to now, to clearly give us a clear payout for only ONE, only 1 Gem-Pack, as any other LEGAL and HONEST organization can do easily. $ % Retail Price: ? 100% Wholesale Price: ? ? Retail Profit: ? ? Bonuses on group volume: ? ? Other overrides if any: ? ? Total PAYOUT: ? ? NOBODY from pro TTI promoters never answered clearly to that simple request, which is easily answered by any normal and honest company. 13- Mr. Stephen Knight, the TTI OFFICIAL appraiser, has been fired from the JJ international network of appraisers on beginning of November 2004, for ETHICS VIOLATION, as you can read CLEARLY on the Jewelry Judge's site at: http://www.jewelryjudge.net/SK.html . Read the letter from the international president of Jewelry Judge International. 14- In Canada, if you get caught, promoting an ILLEGAL pyramidal scheme, such as TTI, you could go to JAIL for 5 years and be fined up to $200,000 CAN. IN USA, it's a lot more than that, explaining CLEARLY why TTI has not started yet in the United States, as promised, fearing to be caught fast and go to jail for many years. 15- With a criminal record, such as Allan Kippax's one, you will be unable to pass the customs to go to USA. 16- You will lose your friends, your credibility and your respectability. 17- If you're ready to work hard and put time and dedication in it, there is a lot of REAL good and legal opportunities out on the market. You can find a lot of them on http://dsa.org . So... open your eyes BEFORE being caught in the TTI PYRAMIDAL and PONZI SCHEME!!! P.S.: Look how Voice and his accomplices are spending the money of their victims travelling all over the world, to Africa, Europa, South America, and laughing at them. Guess who are Voice and The Truth on the following list: 1- ALAN KIPPAX ADMINISTRATOR PRESIDENT & BIGGEST SHAREHOLDER 2- OLIVER KONCZ VICE-PRESIDENT 3- LAI CHOO NG ADMINISTRATOR SECRETARY 4- BROUILLETTE & ASSOCIES S.E.N.C.R.L. POWER OF ATTORNEY BUREAU 2300 1100, BOULEVARD RENE-LEVESQUE OUEST MONTREAL (QUEBEC) H3B 4N4 5- PAUL AUDETTE COMPLIANCE OFFICER 6- JOHN HAYMAN NON MEMBER OF THE BOARD MANAGER 2645, MATHESON BLVD EAST MISSISSAUGA (ONTARIO) L4W 5S4 or...??? (Message edited by WM-MW on August 21, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 382 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Still copying and pasting this nonsense? We’ve already shown you the “PROOFS” that this business is perfectly legal. Perhaps, you can point out a single law that this business may be violating without any misrepresentation of how this business is truly run… I didn’t think so! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1048 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
No "PROOFS"!!! All you have shown is a pyramid fraud where 8 people pool $1200, the crook Kippax (drugs, weapons and assault, lest we forget) skims over 30% and the captain pockets what's left over from the family, friends, co-workers scammed. The cycle is then repeated increasing the numbers of victims exponentially until it collapses. Anything else is nonsense!!! That is the law. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 387 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Actually, what we have shown is a perfectly legal business where gemstones are sold and profit is created. And like the president of any other legitimate organization, Mr. Kippax receives his share of the profit. The cycle is then repeated increasing the number of profitable distributors…and yes, even new distributors have an opportunity to create profit so that people at the bottom are not left behind with nothing. And I assure you that this is no twist of words…this is simply how the business runs. And that is the proven truth. God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 281 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.135.151 |
To Voice, The Truth and all pro TTI... When someone is interested to operate a new regular business, he/she wants to know the cost of the product to be retailed and the suggested retail price, in order to know their profit margin. When someone wants to operate a MLM or Network Marketing business, they want to know the total payout of the company, meaning how much the company is returning to its distributors, total, on a sale. They want to know more than their personal profit, margin, and discounts, according to the volume generated. They also want to know the % they will receive on the sales of their group and on how many levels, plus other advantages such as car and home bonus plan, health care plan, etc... So... my simple questions to all pro TTI people are: 1- Retail price of your product? 2- Your wholesale cost? 3- 1-2 = Your profit margin? 4- % returned on your downline sales 5- On how many levels? 6- % returned for cars, homes, health benefits, promotions I would appreciate to get an answer for only 1 unit sold. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 291 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.137.88 |
To all- As you can clearly see, after 3 days, pro TTI people are not even able to answer very basic questions or avoid to answer them BECAUSE they are operating an ILLEGAL pyramidal scheme and trying to answer my simple questions would clearly demonstrate they are an ILLEGAL pyramid. It is obvious from the pyramid's structure of TTI it is the same as the age old "Airplane Scam" and the "WEW" pyramid fraud and is in no way a legal MLM company but rather a product based pyramid fraud destined to mathematically collapse, which is why it is also obvious they are unable to answer these simple questions relating to MLM companies. They are not one. TTI's very recruitment structure is recognized by the Ontario Securities Commission, as well as other such agencies and private organizations battling pyramid frauds. It is nothing more than a product driven pyramid fraud and it is these frauds the Ontario Securities Commission is warning the public about. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 395 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
As you can see, after 1 year 2 months and 25 days of whining on this forum, those against TTI simply cannot convince government officials to put an end to this business….Why? Because this business is perfectly legal. God bless. | ||
| weeemann (weeemann) New member Username: weeemann Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 205.188.117.13 |
hi | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 413 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
hello! | ||
| fernando (fernando) New member Username: fernando Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.29.249.202 |
I know what is like to come online and argue on tti's behalf mr the_truth! I was just like you fending off all non beleivers. why? because i made money at it and I beleived in it SO MUCH. well, my boards collapsed and you know the rest of the story. I WILL NEVER, EVER get involved with ANY company like treasure traders internaitonal again. I consider it to be one of the worst mistakes I have ever done in my life and will regret it until the day I die I think. SO God Bless me for attempting to save others. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1095 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Thank you so very much "fernando." I hope your post will bring out others who have been victimized to tell it like it is. Again thanks. dave p.s. I hope they don't start on you with lies and twisted facts. In a pyramid fraud in Whitby Ont., with police involved in it, a women was arrested and "railroaded" on false death threat allegations by the lawyer and woman running the fraud. This is why this reprehensible "TRUTH" keeps hammering at me with this false rape threat. When I tried to get people's money returned in my small town I was railroaded to jail by a lawyer also involved and the local OPP who's relatives had made 10's of thousands in it; held four months beaten by jail guards my ribs broken without having been convicted. (story elsewhere on these threads) I was not convicted on this false rape threat, but this reprehensible leach, "TRUTH" signing "God Bless", will if he attaches himself to you, not leave you alone. Senior officers pulling the strings, had a man their reports clearly showed was a liar. (the junior officer was the actual witness. Her report stated "he lied".) Another officer seeing in the report a man willing perjurer himself rather than charging him for "public mischief" and making false allegations instead conspired with him to actually use the same lie, that I had "threatened rape" to have me jailed and dragged through a trial. SICK!! But if enough people like yourself stand up they can't do it to everyone. | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 150 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"fernando" - Please appreciate that this is coming from a long standing opponent of "Treasure Traders International Co.". I can see that you are choosing to lash out personally at "the-truth" but the problem with that is that he/she is not the one to blame. Tens of thousands of people have already been sucked into this "get rich quick and easily" scheme (65,000 Canadians at one posting months ago) and you might as well blame them equally. No one likes to lose money in business and I am sure I speak for you when I say this. The holes in this business scheme are so enormous that anyone reasonably assessing their chance of success prior to placing down their money, would realize that there is nothing but fluff in this operation. The terminology "due diligence" has never been more fitting then when it is applied to "T.T.I.Co.". Couple that with the fact that if you and/or your board fail, the blame is going to be placed squarely on your shoulders. I can hear the chorus already. "You didn't work hard enough! The people you brought in did not work hard enough! Nobody and nothing you touched worked hard enough! No wonder you failed!" I only mention this so that you are prepared for the response you are about to receive from the "Pro-T.T.I.Co." side. But without making it appear that I am joining in any of the above retribution, you also need to take part of the blame here "fernando". At some point in time, you analyzed this organization and after weighing all of the pros and cons, you decided to invest. And business like life, can be cruel and harsh sometimes. All of us that consider ourselves business people, constantly critique and analyze our surrounding business enviornment and to suggest that we don't loose as many as win, would be putting it mildly. But I know that in my mind and the minds of those around me, the first person we tend to blame when a deal "goes south", is ourselves. I can only hope that you feel compelled to continue posting and warning others that "Treasure Traders Intertnational Co." is in the business for making money (the really big money) solely for those that bought in at the top. Maybe if we can continue to attract enough negative experiences, we can save hundreds and thousands of others from simply throwing away their money! Bruce | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1097 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Bruce that's enough! What is this "lashing" out at "TRUTH" nonsense!!!" You are playing the same soft persuasive "blame the victim game". When the “good cop” routine doesn’t work then the real intimidation begins as it’s “cranked” up a notch with the bad cop taking over “you could be charged for your involvement.” You are not Anti TTI at all. Or anti pyramid product schemes. Your posts continually push for an open system where these games can be played unchecked and it is up to ordinary citizens, in your view, as young as 16, seniors, ethnic groups, new immigrants to figure out if the corrupt police, judges, accountants, lawyer teachers principals, the ones that really know what this is all about, standing on the stage telling them this is a great and “perfectly legal” business opportunity are really feeding them B.S. at the meetings, meetings they are "brainwashed" by their close family members and friends who were also "brainwash" into persuading them to attend. What you say about TTI from the other side of your mouth is what makes it illegal. A pyramid where only those at the top of the pyramid win and the rest lose. You obviously believe this is a built in, inherent mathematical flaw. We’ve have, I believe agreed on that fact from the beginning. Now read the law. You can also tell a lot about what a person truly knew beforehand about fraud, by what they do afterward. It’s obvious “fernando”did not believe this was a scam that would break down and people would loose or he wouldn’t have worked so hard to get others to enjoy the same benefits and then when it broke down and he learned by experience, gave the money back. If he would have understood it as crook Kippax with the criminal record of drugs weapons (to whom”) and assault (to whom) he would obviously not gone through all the trouble. Kippax keeps the money as he always intended. After all it's not his family and frends. “fernando” is simply another pure blameless victim of “Crimes of Persuasion” http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/ A true victim and should share none of blame with the true crooks that fully understand the scam. God it’s simple Bruce. If a lawyer knowingly misleads his client into something he not only can be sued for a violation of civil law but also subject to disciplinary action for unethical conduct. The law recognizes that people can be mislead, that’s why there is law against it. And if he misleads his client to break criminal laws he is criminally responsible. What part of that do you not comprehend Bruce!? To work for a company where you are expected to work at the “businesses model” which gives you an incentive to earn $100,000 + , yearly income, in my view does not make you a greedy person in anyway shape or form. Your executives like Enron may be crooks but if you don’t understand the scam and buy the stocks on their advice as good business opportunity as they go lower relying on information you should trust, while at the same time they are dumping theirs on suppressed information you’re blameless. Would you “dump” this “subtle blame game” onto to a scammed sixteen year old who already feels bad enough with friends and family wanting their money that her "upline" has and Kippax has chunk of. What do you say if she retorts “I didn’t know people got scammed and would loose, that judge told me it was perfectly legal and I could pay my way through school and as long as everyone worked at it noone loses”. Sometimes Bruce, the slightest suggestion that the victim is to blame is enough to have an already timid person not speak out. Haven’t you read anything I posted, or like B.S. “TRUTH” do you think it’s all lies or “you believe that I believe” but it’s really B.S. ? I’ve been around that political “non-committal” bush more times than I wish to recall. I told you I had a conversation with a timid single mother scammed for $3,500 crying and totally frightened because she was persuaded, and I imagine with the “velvet glove approach” that see could be in trouble for her actions in merely participating. Like the rape victim “well the cloths you were wearing were provocative” and participated in the cause of your rape. Isn’t that what they used to say to rape victims? To-day in Canada a woman can walk down the street naked from her chin past her belly button no one has the right to take advantage of that. So, because people walk around oblivious to pyramid fraud does that give licence, as you suggest these “sharks” already have, and should continue to have, to feed off their victim’s ignorance? Now, Bruce do you think for one moment my wife believed that her own sister-in-law and this young single mother would lose a total of $11,000 that only went through her to a politician and all the other customers and friends that she lost? No, Bruce, her own lawyer tells her this is a legal opportunity. Police are involved and it is “up front” and legal. It’s revolutionary and yes by even a trusted professional financial adviser and accountants. She told it’s an opportunity she can help others, help charities, nobody loses. She believed that Bruce. It’s Obvious. Do you think Kippax scams his close friends and family? No. He brainwashes strangers to “brainwash” their families. Then after all the damage you come after the fact and suggest to these people they must share in the blame. You know Bruce, not everyone is as intelligent, as well educated experienced and “street” wise as you. To expect everyone no matter their age intelligence, education, and experience to come to the same conclusion as you all by themselves, pardon me, but I think is pompous and arrogant. Why do you bother warning anyone if you expect everyone should be able to sort it out themselves and if they can’t they deserve to be victims and must share the “criminal blame” Now, we know how hard it is to get an investigation into a company. The government does this very reluctantly, in many cases “dragged by the heels”. They certainly want at least strong “reasonable and probable cause”. So why would someone in the government tell you that the way TTI is operating is “perfectly legal” when they are conducting an extensive investigation? It would seem to me that would indicate their minds are already made up and that they will do what they can to make sure, like you “they won’t allow themselves to be confused with the facts.” So who was it, what position did he/she hold and what did he/she tell you that prompted you to come back to this board and tell us this is “legal”. That straight forward question deserves an unambiguous answer Bruce, from our “president” or do you think you should be entitled to more information about our government than the average Canadian? And if so why? These are hard, direct but fair questions. dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 424 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
This is too funny...this forum is looking more like a soap opera the longer it goes. Maybe I should jump on the other side of the fence to make this even more interesting. I can't wait till we get to the part where wmmw proclaims that he's gatordave's long lost father.  God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 305 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.130.0 |
To all- Is This a Pyramid or a Legitimate MLM? By Jeffrey A. Babener © 2003 The Inevitable Question OK, you have either been recruited for a network marketing opportunity or you are the one doing the recruiting. Inevitably, this question will come up: Is this a pyramid scheme or a legitimate business opportunity? This Tuna's for Selling A Checklist 1. Product and Price 2. No Investment Required 3. Purchase and Inventory Requirements 4. Sales Commissions Sources 5. Buy-Back Policy 6. Retail Sales 7. Active Role for Distributors 8. Earnings Misrepresentations 9. Good Training Although this is a complex legal area, a simple story draws a clear line in the sand. Party No. 1 sells Party No. 2 a case of cans of tuna fish for $10. Party No. 2 sells the same case to No. 3 for $20 and so on until No. 9 sells the case to No. 10 for $500. No. 10 opens the case and opens one of the cans, which turns out to be rancid. He goes back to No. 9 who refers him to No. 8 and so on until No. 10 goes to No. 1 to complain. "I have major problem," he says. "So, what's your problem?" says No. 1. "Well," says No. 10, "the tuna is rancid, it's inedible." "So, what's your problem," No. 1 says again. No. 10 says, "Like I said, this tuna is no good." "Well," says No. 1, "the way I see it, you don't really have a problem." "What do you mean?" says No. 10, "this stuff is worthless." "You don't understand," said No. 1, "this tuna is for selling, it's not for eating!" And there lies the difference. Distributors in a network marketing program that are merely buying product to buy into the deal as opposed to an intention of really making a market for it, are really working a pyramid scheme, not a legitimate direct selling business. Remember, when you offer this opportunity to your next-door neighbor or your best friend, it's your credibility that's going to be on the line for years to come. What to Look for - A Checklist So, what do you look for with respect to legitimacy vs. pyramid? Here's a good checklist to consider. Product and Price Does the company offer a high quality product for which there is a strong demand in the real world marketplace? Is the product fairly priced and priced competitively with similar products? Can the product be demonstrated, and does it stand out when you show it to friends? Is the product proprietary to the company, and available only through its distributors? (Have you ever noticed that you can't buy Avon products in stores or Shaklee vitamins at pharmacies?) Is it backed up with a customer satisfaction guarantee? Is post-sales service or customer assistance available? Do the people who participate in the program buy the product enthusiastically based on its own merits, even if they don't participate in the compensation program? Second, No Investment Requirement Can you participate in the company's program without having to make any investment other than purchasing a sales kit or demonstration materials sold at company cost? Third, Look at Purchase and Inventory Requirements Can you become a distributor or sales representative without having to fulfill a minimum up-front purchase or inventory requirement? (When you are pitched to put thousands of dollars of inventory at the very beginning, run fast in the opposite direction.) Does the company's compensation plan discourage inventory loading? Garages and backrooms filled with product serve no useful purpose to anyone. Fourth, Look at the Sales Commissions Sources Are sales commissions paid only on actual products or services sold through distributors in the network to the end-user or ultimate consumer? (This means that products don't end up in basements and closets. They are used, because they have genuine value.) Does the compensation plan avoid paying commissions or bonuses for the mere act of sponsoring or recruiting? (If it pays headhunting fees, it is illegal.) Fifth, Check the Buy-Back Policy Will the company buy back inventory and sales kit materials from distributors who cancel their participation in the program, as long as these items are in resalable condition? (This policy is required in states that have adopted multilevel distribution statutes.) Sixth and Very Important, Look for Retail Sales Is there an emphasis on actual retail sales to end-consumers? Can the company demonstrate efforts to market products to the ultimate consumer? Do the company's distributors have ongoing retailing requirements to qualify for commissions? What is a "retail sale?" The industry and many MLM statutes include both sales to nonparticipants and purchases in reasonable amounts for personal use by distributors. Some regulatory groups, including the FTC, have historically rejected personal use as a legitimate retail sale. Stay tuned as this debate continues. The legislative trend is definitely supportive of the industry position. Seventh, Expect an Active and not Passive Role for Distributors Are distributors in the company required to actively participate in the development and management of their networks? (Many of the MLM statutes require that distributors perform bona fide, supervisory, distributing, selling, or soliciting functions in moving product to the ultimate consumer.) Eighth, Watch Out for Earnings Misrepresentations Do the company's literature and training materials scrupulously avoid claims of income potential that is promises of specific income levels other than demonstrations of verifiable income levels within its program? (The Federal Trade Commission, attorneys general, and postal inspectors all have their eyes on the matter of earnings representations. The acceptable approach emerging is that there should be no earnings representations unless they are based on a verifiable track record of the average earnings of distributors. For instance, a company should have statistics to show the percentage of active distributors and the average earnings of active distributors.) Finally, Look for Good Training Does the company offer its independent distributors solid training opportunities in sales and recruitment? Are different levels of training offered to match the increasing levels of experience and responsibilities of distributors? The Journey Begins OK, is this the end of your journey? Obviously not. You have now looked at some legal issues and its time to move on to some solid business analysis. But it's a great start. Jeffrey A. Babener Babener & Associates 121 SW Morrison, Suite 1020 Portland, OR 97204 Jeffrey A. Babener, the principal attorney in the Portland, Oregon law firm of Babener & Associates, represents many of the leading direct selling companies in the United States and abroad. www.mlmlegal.com | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 437 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Good thing we covered all this months ago. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1124 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"Susanna Friedl susanna@garygoodyear.com Thursday, September 1, 2005 9:22 a.m. RE:TTI FRAUD Hi David, We have inquired into Treasure Trader's, and have been advised that the organization is currently under investigation by the RCMP. We respectfully ask for your patience while they conduct their investigation. Our office will be in contact with you as we receive any news relevant to this issue. Have a great day! | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 314 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.147.67 |
To all, mainly Pro-TTI... Voiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice, You are DODGING the questions again. Answer the simple questions. No more spin doctoring!!! Still waiting that YOU, the so-called TTI specialist, give a CLEAR and SIMPLE answer to a very simple question for ONLY ONE sale of a Gem Pack in $ and %. 1- Suggested Retail price: ? = 100% 2- Wholesale price: ? 3- Retail profit (1-2): ? 4- Bonuses on downline: ? 5- Other overrides (car-house-etc.): ? Total Payout to distributors (3+4+5): ? I want that everybody here understand clearly that I'm not against any legal and legitimate REAL MLM companies, since I think this is a great industry. But... I'm clearly AGAINST people trying to promote an illegal scheme to other people, and trying to compare TTI's scheme to reputable companies such as Amway or Quixtar. All LEGIT companies can answer easily to the SIMPLE question I asked because they don't have to wait for NEXT sales to be able to pay their distributors. They can pay them on each sale made. I'm just proving here that TTI is totally per se ILLEGAL and a CLEAR Ponzi Scheme, even if hidden under appearances of legality. I'm challenging any TTI so-called specialists to answer to my simple question. God Bless tried with no success. Another one gave us a payout BIGGER than the selling price. Ask yourself why TTI so-called specialists cannot answer this simple question anybody from any LEGIT company can answer easily without turning and turning around the pot... (Message edited by wm-mw on September 10, 2005) | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1133 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The reason they will never answer those questions “WMMW” is because they are not a legal MLM. You give one person $1200. Your name is on the 1-winner-8-loser-pyramid-board the same as the "WEW", NASCAR, and decades old original "AIRPLANE" scam. If and only if each person recruits two more there will be mathematically and ultimately 1 winner 8 losers, if not there will be even more losers since after 10 days your money will not be returned unless your Captain feels a moral responsibility. If as a Captain you have been talked into multiple boards you will lose thousands. If you have the moral responsibility to return the money you and/or your “downline”will lose what has been given to Kippax. If the money is all sent to Kippax to be held until the boards are completed he will retain all the money from “broken boards” as a bonanza. You are never required to actually purchase a gemstone. A purchase order certificate especially without sales tax paid is not a purchase of product. Any knowledgeable credible lawyer or chartered accountant will tell you that. Do not be mislead by these crass vicious pro TTI or be “soft soaped” by Bruce Audley. A purchase order certificate is not a purchase of a product. This is twisting of words, smoke and mirrors, “flim-flam”. What do you expect from a convicted weapons, drugs, and assault criminal, particularly when his character was examined and found lacking by the Ontario Securities Commission in December of 2003 only weeks after this fraud was begun. Kippax does not dispute his conviction nor judicial treatment. Now, Bruce what special status and influence do you have with the government that the rest of us ordinary Canadians do not have. Who is the S.O.B. in the government you claim told you this business was “perfectly legal” so this nonsense could be spread all over the world assuring citizens TTI was legally O.K. ahead of an R.C.M.P. investigation??? Who was it Bruce??? dave | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 326 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.147.67 |
To Bruce- I know Dave can be a lot insisting sometimes but I really think we should have the privilege to know the name of the person who confirmed you that TTI is legal. Since there are millions and millions of $$$ at stake and so many potential victims, we should know who this person is so we can check with him/her his/her credibility. We should also be able to check out your sources especially when there is such an appearent conflict between your statement and the R.C.M.P. investigation. We know the R.C.M.P. agents do not move on investigations lightly and without serious cause. That's just common sense. They are not small town cops. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 448 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
I think we also should have the priviledge of knowing the name of the person who confirmed that TTI is illegal...oh wait a minute, I guess that's impossible because there isn't a single government agency that can stand by this accusation. Why do you think that is? Well, one reason is the fact that TTI IS LEGAL. God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 472 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Is it just me, or does Dave appear to reveal symptoms of Schizophrenia? http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-ps01.html Social and/or Occupational Impairment – he’s got no job and it looks like anyone he tries to get close to, seems to leave him. Obsessive Thinking or Compulsive Rituals – It’s very evident that he is obsessed with himself and his opinions. Regardless of the fact that his opinions have resulted in false accusations, he still continues to repetitively state irrelevant info. Irritability or Hostility – I think his posts clearly express this. I mean, who else in this forum but him writes a phrase like “YOU VILE ROTTEN SLIMY PIGS. I HOPE SOMEONE YOU SCREWED SMASHES YOU SO "GOD BLESSED" HARD IN THE HEAD YOU NEVER AGAIN KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR WHERE ARE. YOU DEGUSTING PIECE OF CRAP.” Poor Sexual Interest or Ability – well, he did have not one, but two, wives leave him. Overly Dependent Behavior – Before Bruce expressed his opinion with regards to the legality of this business, Dave seemed to latch onto Bruce for support and approval. Money Management Problems – He is broke and begs people to send money. What more can I say? Need for Institutional Care – We all know he’s been in a mental hospital, been to jail, and has had to involve the police on more than one occasion. Physical Violence – well, as he was being arrested for yelling profanity threw a bull horn, witnesses did say that threw himself onto a female officer. Makes you wonder if those rape threats were fabricated. Risk of Harming Self – I think we have all seen how many times he’s been talking about police eventually killing him. I think all his experiences could have easily been avoided but he seems to seek disaster rather than attempt to avoid it. “Self-destruction” is like his middle name. Distrust or Suspiciousness – Do the words “lying”, “sniping”, “misleading”, and “corrupt”, ring a bell? Poor Memory or Learning Ability – How many times have we have to repeat specific aspect of this business?...he obviously can’t comprehend even the most obvious things. It’s no wonder he still believes this business is illegal. This is just my analysis though. For all we know, he could easily be classified under some other scientific term that means “wacko”. Since we can’t really confirm anything at this point, we can just call him “Prisoner 1000325524”…that was your prison number right Dave?…but, I guess that would depend on which prison occasion we’re talking about. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1164 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
YOU WORD TWISTING VILE SCUM. WHAT LEGAL ETHICAL COMPANY WOULD EVER, EVER OPERATE IN THIS MANNER. THIS IS WHAT YOU DO TO YOUR VICTIMS AND FORMER DISTRIBUTORS AND PEOPLE WONDER WHY VICTIMS WON'T COME FORWARD. YOU ARE WAY OVER THE LINE YOU VICIOUS S.O.B. YOU TAKE EVERY THING THAT IS DECENT AND TURN IT TO EVIL . AND SIGN IT “GOD BLESS”. WHAT AN EDUCATION. I HAVE MET NASTY PEOPLE IN MY LIFE BUT NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS DID I IMAGE A WELL EDUCATED PERSON PREMEDITATEDLY VICIOUS AS THIS COULD EVEN EXIST. Then again witness the “BS_TRUTH”....... To cause all this trauma to victims then add insult to injury by using God Bless is repugnant, absolutely sickening and abhorrent Again, have you shown you wife and children what you are participating in on this board? | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 483 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
"I HAVE MET NASTY PEOPLE IN MY LIFE BUT NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS DID I IMAGE A WELL EDUCATED PERSON PREMEDITATEDLY VICIOUS AS THIS COULD EVEN EXIST." Really? I assume you've never met Gatordave then. Ooops...sorry... you said "well educated", right?...my bad. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1180 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Consider from where it comes readers. I realize "BS_TRUTH" self proclaimed from God, that people who do not have your education like that single mother are beneath your contempt and are only vicitms to be torn apart, dragged home for your family to feed on. that that the nature of the jackal | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 486 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
In case you haven't noticed, an alligator being a creature of both land and water, has a much larger range of victims...from tiny insects to large mammals. And I highly doubt jackals have a preference of educated versus non-educated, nor male versus female. Just thought I'd point that out. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1214 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Your sick!!! The company you write this BS for is operating an illegal pyramid fraud and like the last one, hurting my fellow Canadian Citizens. And that's all this is about. And that's the truth!!! | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) New member Username: the_truth Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Fellow Canadian Citizens? One minute you fail to agree that Canada is a great country and the next you pretend to be diplomatic. You’re blowing you cover Dave…we can all see the masks you try to put on. This business is in fact legal, regardless of whatever lies you spread. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1221 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
This business is infact an illegal pyramid fraud no matter how many lies you spread about me, my family, your former disgrundled, Captains and symathizers who recognize product based pyramid fraud!!! ......And that's the real truth!!! | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) New member Username: the_truth Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Perhaps you may not see the inconsistencies of your claims, but considering your mental health, I guess it’s understandable. As such, allow me to present to you these inconsistencies with regards to the legality issue. One of your recent post states “All this because I wrote my belief on everything I have read that a company is operating an illegal pyramid???” which clearly explains that you are aware that it is simply your belief and not actually a fact. And still you continue to make up lies by insisting that it is a fact and not just your belief. We can see through your lies Dave. …and that’s the real truth!!! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1227 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Let me rephrase that for your nitpicking “little mind”. “I wrote my view on everything I have read that this company is in fact operating an illegal pyramid???” Now the courts do the same. They write their views and options bases on the evidence and available facts and even the courts use the words views and opinions. If that’s good enough for the court to make themselves clear it should be good enough for me and for readers to understand my position. You are trillions of tons short of building that molehill into a mountain. Now, I have explained what product masked illegal pyramid fraud looks like. It’s very basic. You take an already recognized illegal pyramid fraud structure in which people lost billions and accused were convicted. Then you search for a junk product with little real value or a retail market. Then you convince victims induced by those they trust to attend a meeting where they have been told nothing about the product nor the company, not even the name, and turn them over to well trained psychological word twisting, clever mathematically manipulating “brainwashing” con-men sometimes consisting of lawyers, police, a judge, politicians, government employees whatever, in highly charged motivational mode. The victims buy a piece of paper and are given an option, of completing a sale by getting “screwed” for another minimum of $180 or the next level of a wholesale minimum of $690. That’s about it as honest TTI captains will admit and records would prove. Now, that’s what I put out explaining the product masked pyramid fraud that fits the profile of TTI completely open upfront and unambiguous. Now, I challenge you and your new collaborator Bruce Audley who claim and parrot with no substantiating evidence or explanation (symptoms of “brainwashing” or attempts on their part to “brainwash”) that TTI is “perfectly legal”, to explain to me and the readers your graphic definition of an illegal masked MLM or pyramid scheme since the courts and law enforcement recognize they exist and in fact are prosecuting convicting, and warning citizens of them. lets have your examples. dave | ||
| the_truth_ (the_truth_) New member Username: the_truth_ Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.129.7 |
To Pro-TTI You should do like me and open your eyes. God has just opened my eyes and I'm now on the other side. I'm no more using God's name as my signature. I was blind and my judgement was darkened by money. I was ready to sell my mother just for getting more and more money. I had sold my soul to Kippax. Thank you, God, to have converted me. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Junior Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 33 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
"the_truth_" Nice try... . I guess your motto must be..."If you can't beat 'em...BE 'em!" Glad to have you on the opposing side. I know you must be upset after you came to the realization that this business is legal, but pretending to be me might be revealing your desperation just a tad...don't you think? God bless. | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) New member Username: real_truth Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.128.31 |
"the_truth" What a turn-about! Ups and downs like that are really bad signs. Religious one day, euphoric the next day. Better to make sure you take your pills or to see your doctor fast. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1270 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Toronto Sun Sat Sept 24, 2005 Video of beating helps send cop to jail Judge rips gratuitous assault on defenceless citizen BRAMPTON — Cosnt. Roy Preston will spend this weekend and several consecutive weekends, in jail for punching Jama Said Jama, an assault caught on amateur videotape. In a judgement blasted by Preston’s lawyer and the Toronto Police Association, Justice Peter Wilkie sentenced the 37 year old cop to 30 days behind bars for the August 2003 attack. This was a gratuitous assault by a police officer against a defenceless citizen.” Wilkie said. “The court must send a clear unambiguous message that this conduct will not be tolerated.” Wilkie pointed out in his in his sentence that an aggravating factor was Preston’s actions after the assault. Those included falsifying his notes, making a fake injury report and charging Jama with assaulting a police officer — a charge later dropped. He deliberately set the justice system in motion against an innocent man,” Wilkie said. "Had it not been for the videotape, the defendant Preston may have been successful. Anyone with even a modicum of experience with police friend or foe if honest will tell you that is standard procedure in police investigations. It’s considered “building a case” against the accused as opposed to investigating the truth just for the sake of the truth. This Great Country looks less and less Great, Bruce Audley and the rest of your “swarming gang” you have aligned yourself with, and my complaints gather more and more credibility. I didn’t have a Video, but I still have the falsified notes of the non-existent Court Order, the assault that did not take place, and the proof the rape threat was never uttered, nor one word spoken the morning on the day I was arrested which was later changed to a screaming threat, as falsely claimed and exemplified and supported in the story above. And I (we) still have the bullhorn (temporally donated to an organization) that has been proven cannot be heard three blocks away let alone in a moving vehicle, engine running and window down. And those witnesses; highschool kids that saw my arrest in Harriston; the women who testified they didn’t hear the “F” word ever used and the dozens of others nearby that also witnessed the arrest, and now know their police are dirty liars and perjurers. It is pathetic what the police will allow members of the public to observe if they feel they can get away with it!! Adds to their extrajudicial powers. Who will stand up for their rights, or those of their neighbour or come forward with information against police when they witnesses police getting away with beating, perjury and falsified evidence? Isn’t that what is observed in a corrupt totalitarian regime? Police openly violating the law while citizens are fearing to speak out hide in silence? The judge made that clear when he observed “Had it not been for the video tape, the defendant (Preston) may have been successful.” Is there anyone willing to at least admit to a reasonable doubt in the cases you are ripping me apart over, or are you truly just an irrational lynch-mob angry simply because I expressed my views about a company based upon credible evidence and information found in books, reports by police and prosecutors and thesis by learned academics. Having said that, now what has all this got to do with TTI?? Simply that I have again been threatened by a cop for exposing TII . It was at the highschool in Mississauga a few months back as I handed out pamphlets. I intend to return notwithstanding an intimidating cop who threatens an unarmed senior with his gun and bully tactics and refuses to give an occurrence#. The beaten up victim because of a video managed to escape my fate of an ignorant bias judge Norman Douglas I “drew” who ignored evidence and is himself before the Judicial Review Council. And judge G. J. Brophy who ignored the obvious lies in the police officers notes and reports and trumped up evidence by perjurer Officer Brad Smith. Again, Is there anyone willing to at least admit to a reasonable doubt in the cases you are ripping me apart over, or are you truly just an irrational lynch-mob unconcerned with the truth, angry simply because I expressed my views about a company based upon credible evidence and information found in books, reports by police and prosecutors and thesis by learned academics? dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Junior Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 35 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
"This Great Country looks less and less Great" Personally, as I see all the stuff that goes on in other parts of the world, I can't think of any other place I would rather be than in Canada. If all you ever talk about is how unfair our government treats you, why the heck do you bother staying? You constantly refer to innocent people that are being sent to prison for crimes they haven't committed, but do you even bother to take into account the fact that a significant majority of people are in fact imprisoned because they have indeed committed a crime. Let’s face it, people make mistakes…therefore our government which is made up of human decision-makers will inevitably make errors. Really, what do you propose we do about it?...Do you expect our government to just let anyone off the hook when they say, “Your Honour, it wasn’t me…I swear!”? When the baker made claims that you did in fact scream profanity through a bullhorn, was the judge supposed to just ignore that piece of evidence? When a 7-year old girl claims that her 2nd grade teacher molested her, but the other 32 students in the class say he was the nicest teacher they’ve ever had, should the judge simply ignore the claim made by that one little girl?…I sure hope not! You claim to have been physically abused by cops on multiple occasions, but the other 99% of Canadians who follow the rules seem to get along just fine with the police force. Why do you think that is Dave? Do you honestly believe that they’ve got your picture up at each police station with a short blurb that says, “If you see this man, give him a good beating”? Personally, I can only assume that you are simply not playing by the rules and rather than avoid confrontation, you tend to instigate it. I simply make that assumption based on your behavior in this forum. Now, feel free to go ahead and continue labeling me as a “sick puppy” but I’m sure the readers can see what I’m trying to say. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1292 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Of course. And they deserve to be there!!. And didn’t I clearly state before; that I am not so cynical to believe the majority of people in Canadian jails are innocent as in some countries. The thing I have had my eyes open to, is that there are far more that I would have ever believed in both Canada an the U.S. jails, and that in both our democratic countries is appalling. The whole premise of democracy is not to just put anyone in jail on false charges because you don’t like what they say, or their politics, or the way they look ,or because you THINK they might commit a crime. You have not an once of justice in you entire being that I can detect. Not even enough empathy to concede and say “god that could happen to me. How awful to be beaten up and falsely accused.” You justify putting anyone randomly in jail because there are criminals in jail that deserve it. So, what you saying as I understand it, execute a few innocent people it doesn’t matter because most people in jail are criminals anyway. Besides, the issue wasn’t about guilty people in jail. It was about innocent people being beaten up in Canada and innocent people in Canadian Jails. With your attitude if you were in control it would not be long before we would be the same as the countries you propose I go to if I don’t like Canada. It is people like you that wanted a 14 year old youngster hung as an adult in Clinton not far from where I lived. Stephen Truscotte. Good self righteous Christians, for the most part, would have lynch him had they been able to get their hands on him.. You are so absolutely bound in hatred and prejudice that there is nothing I believe that I could say or any issue I could raise, or point out that you would agree with unless I said Treasure Traders International is legal.” And mistakes are mistakes I agree. But, a trained cop unjustly beating someone up then with premeditation falsifying evidence to hopefully also jail him and turn the assault around to what our society wrongly believes is a worst offence of assault on a police officer is no mistake.. A police officer with his power and training on how to justly use that power, sworn to defend and protect, that beats an innocent citizen and viciously trumps up evidence has, in my opinion committed a far greater crime than a common citizen who unjustifiably takes a punch at a cop. But that citizen will suffer a far greater penalty. But in your mind as God’s appointed “TRUTH” it must frustrate you to hell that this is all you can do to torment me. Don’t you long for the days in centuries past when self appointed men of God like you need only “round me up” tie me to a stake and shove a white hot poker in my throat and eyes. All the while uttering God bless. Isn’t that the real truth?? I didn’t ask to be “let off the hook”(acquitted) as you imply by saying “your Honour it wasn’t me I swear.” Again you “Christian” know it all gossiping bigot you weren’t there for any of it. You wrote ..... “When the baker made claims that you did in fact scream profanity through a bullhorn, was the judge supposed to just ignore that piece of evidence? No absolutely not. But was he supposed to “cherry pick” the witnesses evidence and ignore two female PROSECUTION witness with equal or better credibility one an axillary police officer who were the closest and testified they DID NOT HEAR THE “f” WORD USED ONCE You “Christian” sick bigot? And it is physically impossible to hear that model of bullhorn 3 blocks away. That is fact not opinion. It has been tried and witnessed. And the judge has been found by the higher court to be bias, and was during my trial (unbeknownst to me) and at this moment being investigated for his bias and bizarre behaviour. Because of the obvious conflict in the prosecutor’s own case, “yelling “f” every other word vis-a-vis two women never head it uttered once, my plea to the Judge was contained in his own words. “Your Honour you said “It is only common sense that sometimes people exaggerate and sometimes people lie, I will give you that Mr. Thornton.” I am asking you honour will you give me that.” (Reasonable doubt) Why do you think they testified they didn’t hear it? Christian bigot. You and your kind are about the most dangerous on a jury. But none of that will enter the mind of a bigot, particularly a “Christian” bigot. I have had success opening the minds of a few bigots especially racially bigoted, but never ever a “Christian” bigot. They are absolutely right and their gossip absolutely “THE_TRUTH” despite any facts!! This debate is wasted on you though, but it is good for readers to see someone with your bigoted “tunnel vision” exposed himself especially if they are ever called as jurors. And no, all professing Christians are not bigots to answer what undoubtably would be THE GREAT "I AM" Bruce Audley’s assertions. “So now Dave lets get this absoulely clear are you saying all Christians are bigots." And you "TRUTH" B.S.B.M. talk from both sides of your mouth. You wrote “let’s face it, people make mistakes…therefore our government which is made up of human decision-makers will inevitably make errors.” And isn’t that what I have asked? At least a mistake. But we also know many politicians, government agents and police are absolutely corrupt and some from all three categories have actually committed murdered. When a 7-year old girl claims that her 2nd grade teacher molested her, but the other 32 students in the class say he was the nicest teacher they’ve ever had, should the judge simply ignore the claim made by that one little girl?…I sure hope not! No the judge shouldn’t. But in their hast to judgement they should not “bury” evidence if she has made similar and proven false claims against fellow students, or generally lies to get friends in trouble, or if the police took her to McDonald’s offering her anything she wants if they tell them what they want to hear and is subjected to subjective sessions with so called “child psychologist.”and the teacher has an alibi placing him somewhere else at the time All of which have been proven to have been done in cases and more. But when three boys say a wealthy man molested them, and the man admits that to both parents, and because he’s wealthy and one of his lawyers Walter McGibbon is the father-in-law of the local Crown Attorney Wm. Morrison of Kitchener and also the Chairman of the Board of the local newspaper the K.W. Record and they have the power to steal the kid’s father’s business and all they helped their dad with, while their dad was in Hong Kong and Malaysia then threaten his dad who mistakenly takes his story to that newspaper and a bigoted United Church Minister Rev. Frank Morgan who writes a weekly column for that same newspaper and later he finds out was a padre for the RCMP that, you “Christian” bigot, is not a mistake. Now if you don’t want to hear this stuff don’t raise the issues. All I wrote was about a beating by police to support my claim police do such things and they did it while I was protesting police beatings and killings and involvement in “WEW” and TTI. Now, I can assure you there are those with “blood on their hands” in Kitchener that would rather not have this raised again. And then with your Christian bigotry as though you have not read a word I’ve written you write..... "You claim to have been physically abused by cops on multiple occasions, but the other 99% of Canadians who follow the rules seem to get along just fine with the police force. Why do you think that is Dave? Did you read nothing or it just cannot penetrate that bigoted mind???!!! Wide open question again with subtle unwritten but implied accusations. I was one of the other 99% of the Canadians and I was very industrious and on my own built a respectable honest business and somehow managed to get through all those troubling teen years without getting a beating by police, resisted peer pressured at parties to smoke pot and weekly binge drinking spending most of my time and what little money I had drawing house plans and making furniture and bits and pieces for the home I wanted to own someday. Gee maybe my problems came about because I don’t play by the rules of the game. Now, you asked the questions so don’t complain when you get the answers. And the explanation is this. And what was the game and what were the rules? Shortly after I’m in business at age 22, I am unfortunate enough by chance to be exposed to the law breaking of Ontario Provincial Police and wealthy citizens they are protecting and using intimidating bullying techniques and their mere intimidating persona to silence those they are oppressing. The rules of the game?” #1 the option of joining them. The offer was made. If not - rule #2 Ignore written Canadian Law, law for the protection of individuals and society, and keep your mouth shut. These people and their corrupt cop friends are above the law. That’s the game. and rule #3? Never break rule#2 . I broke Rule #3. I don’t like dirty cops and corrupt government officials and mistakenly believed there were officials in the process higher up who would deal with such matters. Sadly I was wrong. As a consequent of breaking Rule# 3 I was no longer among the (99%) of which more than 99% of those are never tested this way. A war was set in motion, that it was too late to back out of. I was falsely charged. It then took threats against me, an official’s slap in the face, a punch in the mouth, charges against them, conviction, removal of two top officials for violating the very laws they were enforcing, dismantling of an association, the dismantling of the entire labour committee, and the repealing of oppressive draconian laws controlled by “selective prosecution” by corrupt officials. And five years under continual harassment. Yep!! Didn’t “play by the (corrupt) rules. If you wish to be bored with further details keep asking the questions. But there is a limit!! A question I asked for which there was no response was basically this. I’ll make it a little more specific. If you see a cop snorting coke do you play play by rule# 1 laugh and join ‘em. Rule #2 don’t and shut your mouth, or break #3 (never break #2) on principle and suffer the consequences such as a self proclaimed “Christian” bigot questioning your motives, inventing and spreading gossip condemning you for “breaking the rules” without defining the rules. Answer that question please. It's simple. Join,... keep your mouth shut,... or “blow the whistle.” And there is applied common sense. Do you report a cop for spitting on the street? And if not, by the same token if you see him robbing a store at night and perhaps shooting someone do you apply the the same discretion. And somewhere between the two defines your own character and motives visa-a vis mine. dave. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1306 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I was asked on this forum how I knew Clarence Elkins is innocent. SOME THINGS JUST HAVE THAT RING OF TRUTH! AND SOME PEOPLE ACCEPT INJUSTICE. SOME WILL NEVER GIVE UP. AND SOME JUST MAKE FUN OF THE ADVERSITIES OF OTHERS!! From the “Free Clarence Elkins” website. Website.http://www.freeclarence.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2289&sid=49638a7e855adb9b17d9d3cdba35919e#2289 Everyone!! We have found a match on the DNA it is an exact match to one Earl Mann! He was a neighbor of my mom's. He was convicted of Rape Robbery and Assault. The Ironic thing is Clarence retrieved the DNA by picking up the cigarette butt from this guy because he was being housed in the same cellblock as Clarence. (Unbelievable) If anyone has ever doubted the power of the Lord they need to think about this). There is a press conference being held today at 11 in Akron ... There is an article in Beaconfor L Journal. We did it guys! Now let's pray for an ending to this and pray for Final justice in this case...Thank you Melinda | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) New member Username: real_truth Post Number: 18 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.155.85 |
To all And the real truth came from Melanie: "Message melanie (melanie) New member Username: melanie Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.194.130.13 Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 3:05 pm: TTI IS FRAUD..DON'T BE STUPID, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR MONEY...I DID! And so did a lot of other innocent stupid people" | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 68 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
So I suppose that now we are to just ignore the laws our government has in place and regardless of the fact that this business is still legal, we are supposed to go by what Melanie states simply because she says so…sounds a lot like the Gatordave theory. So where do I sign up to get this authority that apparently have been assigned to Gatordave and Melanie, which supersedes the rules that governs our land? God bless. | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) Junior Member Username: real_truth Post Number: 32 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.155.85 |
To all No need to eat a full bowl of soup to know if it's salted or not. Only a tea spoon will do the job. And the real truth came from Melanie: "Message melanie (melanie) New member Username: melanie Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.194.130.13 Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 3:05 pm: TTI IS FRAUD..DON'T BE STUPID, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR MONEY...I DID! And so did a lot of other innocent stupid people" | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 87 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
I think we heard you the first time. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1345 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"B.S._TRUTH" You took no time at all jumping all over these innocent trusting, NOT STUPID WOMEN on this thread before I had a chance to even comment. You might want to watch what poking at here there are thousands out there, the only thing you have going for you gangster is that the victims are not yet united | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 98 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Sorry Dave, I didn't realize you called dibs on the newbies. I just wanted to make sure they took a look at the issue from all perspectives before sending you their checks in the mail. I suppose you prefer that I wait for you to respond to them before I make any comments? Regardless of which of us posts first, it’s still not going to change the fact that this business is still legal. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1360 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You can do what you want "BS_TRUTH" But you have no interest in the issue being looked at from all perspectives, your purpose is and has always been to ridicule the stories, twist the truth and insult disgrundled "victims" calling them stupid and lazy. Simple as that. As I say...."the only thing you have going for you gangster, is that you choose to remain an anonymous coward and the victims of your crimes are not yet united. Your "Achilles Heel" however, is that you have a physical building at 2645 Matheson Blvd. E Mississauga where you might be visited by hundreds, perhaps thousands of disgrundled "scammed victims". Something to consider "big mouth" on the board. dave Gatoraid@sympatico.ca | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 107 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
I simply asked Melanie, two simple questions: 1) Was it explained to you at the presentation before you came aboard, that in order to create profit, your objective is to create gemstone sales and assist your team in doing the same? 2) Did you follow through with what was explained to you prior to signing up? These 2 questions alone will tell us whether or not TTI lied or cheated her out of her money. As explained before, when someone explains the process from beginning to end, and asks that you do your due diligence before making a final decision…if you decide to agree with going forward with the procedures explained, but fail to actually follow through with it, then you can’t turn the situation around and blame the company for YOUR INABILITY to follow procedures as explained. By the way...you're still the "bigger mouth" on the board. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1385 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Those two simple questions, like just about everything else TTI says and does is masked in deceit fraud and “flimflam”.....quote “in order to create profit,.....to create gemstone sales and assist your team in doing the same..”..... What is withheld is the simple fact you must be “in the game early” before the recruitment pools “dry up in your area” and any potential victims already “scammed” are themselves trying to recruit victims and “dump” relatively worthless gemstones for, not 50% more than the TTI appraised value, but for anything they can get such as 3.3% on Ebay, ($45 for TTI appraised $1350 emeralds) almost worthless as stated!! It is impossible, as victims are finding, to follow through with...quote “what was explained to you prior to signing up”.... and that is simply because, those recruitment pools are “dried up”. It is exactly the same as explaining to someone “on paper” how to build a “perpetual motion” machine then blaming them for the fact it will not continue to run “once it is started into motion.” My actual simple question is this. In a town of 6600 people with a potential of perhaps 675 people that will participate in this scam, once 75 captains have recruited the available 600 victims.... where in that town are the 4800 new victims required for the next successful “$7000" payoff come from, and where will the new recruit’s (“phoney gem-sales”) come from that will propel even the original 675 into financial independence which is surly more than $100,000 Per year on a continuing basis? The figures required for that, even in a small town are astronomical. i.e. impossible and the TTI “perpetually motion machine” comes to a screaming halt with TTI and a few captains making thousands at the expense of the unwitting victims. TTI is a fraud in this month of October, National Fraud Prevention Month in Canada. Now, the answer to those simple questions alone will prove TTI lied, deceived and cheated her out of her money. You see the process from beginning to end was not quote "explained to her prior to signing up," as falsely implied by the “self appointed man of God, in reality the “FRAUDULENT_TRUTH”, and that is, the crucial “drying up” of the recruitment pools upon which the “whole TTI house of cards is built”. That is conveniently and fraudulently omitted. What we know is Treasure Traders International is operating the same pyramid fraud as the infamous "Women Empowering Women" pyramid fraud. It is unnecessary to ever touch a gemstone for 8 victims to be scammed by 1 captain for thousands of dollars, who it turn are "brainwashed" into working as a team attempting to recruit groups of 8 more until the pyramid collapses. The complication is the same as that of the great pyramid fraud “Women Empowering Women” in that police officers, lawyers, government employees and according to TTI “captains” RCMP and at least one London Ontario Judge are themselves captains. London Ontario of course was, and is, a “rat’s nest of corruption and coverup of pyramid fraud. Toronto and Mississauga being where many of these frauds are spawned. "Public exposure is the greatest threat to a pyramid scheme. Their own experts say that." ...Douglas Konkol IN CANADA THE POLICE AND GOVERNMENT ARE "RUNNING INTERFERENCE" TO PREVENT THAT EXPOSURE. IN AUSTRALIA AUTHORITIES ARE WARNING THEIR CITIZENS OF THESE PYRAMID SCAMS WHEREAS IN CANADA THE POLICE AND AUTHORITIES ARE NOT ONLY PARTICIPATING IN THESE SCHEMES BUT "BRAINWASHING" THEIR CITIZENS TO HELP PROMOTE THESE FRAUDS. THEY DID IT IN "WEW" AND NOW TTI AND DEPARTURE CENTRAL TO NAME ONLY A FEW. (Message edited by gatordave on October 16, 2005) | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1406 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I have just spoken to the RCMP in Calgary. Was told TTI was investigated and closed down and his belief they are no longer operating in his province. So the question.... is TTI operating "perfectly legally" in Alberta now or has TTI been routed out of that province? Now, "B.S._TRUTH" "B.M.B.S_VOICE" will you confirm or deny this for the readers. gatordave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 114 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Sure, I can confirm that either you were misinformed or this is just one of your fantasy stories, because in Calgary they have simply moved to a south location. And don’t worry, it’s not illegal for companies to change locations either. IKEA also recently moved from the north location to a south location, so if Mr. RCMP officer didn’t know that either, you might want to let him know. They’ve got a great breakfast special to fill you up before a big day of gemstone selling...or bullhorn screaming…whatever it may be. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1436 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I don't make up fantasy stories unlike TTI who’s fantasies start at “Poverty Port”, a fantasy ship “The Destiny” to a fantasy island and a fantasy “Treasure Chest” chuck full of fantasy gems open by two imaginary “keys”all the way to fantasy lawyers on the fantasy government commission that regulates the Pirate Industry and the fantasy of “Financial Freedom. Now back here in the real world, any information I am unsure of is from others. Now, a person who lost money in Calgary informed me that there was apparently some internal “hanky panky” with creative scammers, scamming the scammers with photo copied TTI pyramid boards eliminating the TTI serial# and keeping Kippax’ scamming share. Now, as the information goes the police got involved and these criminal criminals, as it were ceased operation. The Calgary RCMP confirmed an investigation but believes the operation was closed down and no longer operating in Alberta. Asked why it was not in the news paper; the answer ..... we don’t put everything in the newspaper. No kidding!!!. Again just like “WEW”! So, I must wonder if you’re lying again, or if you are unaware of what’s happening at TTI, which isn’t likely, or these two sources of independent information made it all up for no apparent reason. Do you know anything about photo copied TTI pyramid boards or P.O.C. or such being “forged”? | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 142 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
"Now back here in the real world, any information I am unsure of is from others." Here we go again...still blaming others for your own incompetence. That’s the Gatordave way. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1445 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"B.S._TRUTH" that transparent ridiculous word twisting is not worth answering to. Anyone reading my post then yours can work it out for themselves. But thanks for helping me reveal what you are. It certainly is far less difficult now with you continually "shooting yourself in the foot.” This desperation to now twist every syllable must be indicative of the chaos at Treasure Traders International with boards breaking down and your so-called E-Bay competition trading company like everything else at TTI your victims are finding is not as great as everyone was led to believe. TTI’s mathematical formula for Wealth....... 100's OF SCAMMED FAMILY AND FRIENDS = TTI FINANCIAL FREEDOM WELCOME ABOARD “capn blythe”. Now “B.S._TRUTH” doesn’t it amaze you how others can see the exact same facts so clearly. And certainly few victims have yet found this website." How are you making out with the "exit" strategy? God help you Any bets on TTI running "perfectly legally" this year, next year and the years after that??? dave p.s..... With all you filibustering you still haven't answered the question .... "Do you know anything about photo copied TTI pyramid boards or P.O.C. or such being “forged” and the RCMP getting involved? | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1454 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
As you can clearly see this liar "B.S._TRUTH" refuses to give a straight answer to a staight forward question. Has he any knowledge of TTI distributors potocopying TTI material leaving off serials#'s which was investigated by RCMP and closed down?" simple; and he sqirms like snake to avoid a simple answer. Readers, Call Phone Busters 1-888-495-8501 Contrary to these insistent, relentless liars and their pawn Bruce Audley, Phone Busters has said straight out, Treasure Traders International is a pyramid fraud do not get involved. They are receiving numerous calls. I repeat. You are disgusting liars "B.S._TRUTH" "BMBS_VOICE" and the rest of you, leading people into this fraud. No government agency has officially said TTI is legal. That is an outright outrageous lie!!! TTI has been officially acknowledged as ILLEGAL. RCMP are investigating. But the recent revelations of political corruption at all levels of government should give readers cause to wonder and ask questions about "just what is going on here." You must call and/or email the media, police and your politicians and demand something be done. Thousands doing that simple thing they cannot ignore. Tell others. dave gatoraid@sympatico.ca P.S. “WMMW” and readers, these pyramid freaks won’t be going anywhere near the U.S. the message is finally getting through. The attorneys general of the U.S. are P.O. with these frauds. This same sick fraud below is TTI - different name- but, fraud by any other name is fraud. "Jeffrey A. Augugliaro, of Malverne, N.Y., is accused of setting up a fraudulent business called "People Helping People" to solicit donations for the "American Cancer Aid Foundation" and telling donors they would receive free airline tickets, A cancer patient hoping to use the tickets to fly to a hospital for treatment was among thousands of people duped through the sites, according to Spitzer. http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=172302868 This is the huge sickening problem of pyramid fraud, “Great I AM” Bruce Audley, you “over educated immature highschool debating snob” You debate with your flowery, semantic twisting B.S. while the real world gets hurt. With your skills you could have done so much months ago to help stop this!!! This link below is en example of people with integrity and “guts” (that’s intestinal fortitude for the “sliver spoon fed” flowery snob) This is what a news media should be!!! Read this it is TTI all over. The same obvious 5 RED FLAGS of a fraudulent pyramid scams. http://www.laraza.com/news.php?nid=27021 (Message edited by gatordave on October 22, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 155 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
It appears that Dave’s claims are nothing more than fiction comparable to stories of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. It looks like Phonebusters has not found TTI to be illegal as Dave claims. So as it continues to follow all laws, TTI will still be operating legally. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1503 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Phone Busters has stated that "Treasure Traders International is a pyramid fraud do not get involved." I believe no one in these agencies has stated TTI is legal. NO ONE! You have, I believe, shown yourself to be a liar. If not, post clearly, unequivocally, and unambiguously and on record, as I have, what government agency, individual, or police department has stated Treasure Traders International is “is perfectly” legal. Simple! Here is another “busted” product masked pyramid scam. http://www.gatewaynewspapers.com/coraopolis-moonrecord/54127/ PRODUCT does not, a pyramid scam make legal! And that again is the “Real_Truth” p.s. These are not "Dave's Stories" they are simply and obviously just posted by dave... FYI. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 170 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
“PRODUCT does not, a pyramid scam make legal!” Nor does a specific compensation structure make a business illegal. If it were illegal “post clearly, unequivocally, and unambiguously and on record," which law has been violated. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1513 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
At this point, that is not the issue. I was told more than once by people in official government agencies, Treasure Traders International is an illegal pyramid scheme. You claim people in these same organizations are stating TTI is legal. I say you are a liar. The issue here is, if that is not so, specifically name the branch of the police, an employee speaking officially for any government, agencies or individuals of authority who have stated TTI is legal!!! (the individuals name if possible) Again a simple question. dave. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 181 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Still legal. God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 191 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
“At this point, that is not the issue.” At this point, this is exactly the issue. If a business does not violate any laws, it clearly is deemed as legal. It’s obvious you’ve managed to skew anything that has been told to you that doesn’t support your senseless beliefs. For months you’ve called participants in this business a liar, yet you manage to spread lies about the facts of how this business runs. You tell us that the $1200 paid is not a result of the sale when clearly the receipt states verbatim “Option 3 – Redeem Cert. with no further payments and receive $1,200 retail value of gemstones”. Any supporting evidence that you’ve brought forward to defend the concept that this business is illegal has successfully been proven incorrect many times over on this very forum. Face it…you just don’t get it, no matter how hard you try. All government agencies continue to allow this business to run regardless of your claims. I mean, the RCMP, police, Industry Canada, etc…all have access to see the locations of the various Fleetports across the 2 countries…so why isn’t any action being taken if it is illegal like you say they claim. Why is there no info on any government sites telling us this has been found to be an illegal pyramid fraud? Why are you the only person that has been told that this is illegal while everyone else has been told everything but that? Is this really a government cover-up or could it be that it is in fact perfectly legal? We’ll let the readers decide! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1527 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Again avoiding the question." The point is, you were telling readers the police and government officials have stated TTI is legal. That's the big lie. You are unable to produce one agency nor individual that has stated TTI is legal contrary to such claims. That is what all pyramids have in common. i.e.. When "buying a diamond".... "Endorsed by the Ontario Management Board of Cabinet. This is a government entity set up to oversee, review, endorse and, or refute companies in the private sector. It sets up standards by which companies are measured. The review, led by a Government-level attorney investigates the companies business plan, management and structure, financials, etc. To pass the review and receive a Queen's Counselor endorsement is a powerful statement as to the viability and credibility of the company in question." Do you people work out of the same office? Now, what individual, or agencey stated TTI was legal as you claim. Without that, you are a liar. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 215 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
 God bless. | ||
| residual_101 (residual_101) New member Username: residual_101 Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 72.140.121.167 |
the_truth: Just a question to you. Are you in TTI as a business? If so, do you run your business to make money and earn profit? If so, how much money do you earn wasting your time trying to convince others that your program works/is ligitimate/makes sense etc. If you are in TTI as a business, you should worry about 3 things. 1. Money making activities (piquing interest) 2. Supporting your team/customers 3. Traking your business to get the tax benefits that go along with home based business Every minute you spend trying to preach to those who don't want to listen....shame on you. It tells me that your business isn't going very well. Now go makes some phone calls!!!!!! | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1639 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Of course it's not going very well. Pyramid boards are collapsing all over. Complaints are rolling in and the impotent "RCMP" Phone Busters and the impotent Crime Stoppers and equally impotent Industry Canada are stonewalling complaints and doing everything they can from keeping complainants from uniting and still refusing to warn our youth in highschool, college, and university that they are being ripped off. They do in Australia! President CBN | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 234 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Of course Industry Canada refuses to warn people about this business...because unlike you, they understand that it is operating perfectly legally. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1643 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Oh really. And who in Industry Canada told you that? My information is your company is under investigation by the RCMP. p.s. perhaps you should take the avice of the poster above | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 238 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
I'm sure you'd love for me to take the advice above so you can be free to spread your lies...sorry, not gonna happen. Your information once said that RCMP deemed this business illegal and now you go back to saying it still under investigation. My information says you are a lousy liar who can't even get his stories straight...and this business is still operating legally. This can be confirmed by each and every lawyer who understands the laws of network marketing, regardless of whether they may already be involved in this business. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1648 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I wrote that a particular RCMP officer said TTI was illegal. Another said there is no such thing as a legal pyramid. And a particular "phone jockey" for Phone Busters or Crime Stoppers also said TTI was an illegal pyramid don't get involved. Noone in police or government has ever said to me, TTI is legal no matter how hard I pressed them. That is why I question Bruce Audey's statements that he claims he was told TTI was legal by a high ranking government official he refuses to name, when the truth, according to my MP on record, is that TTI is under investigation by the RCMP which was confirmed by three other RCMP Officers. You see I don't twist the truth and lie or exaggerate. Just because a few people in the police or the government said TTI is illegal I do not claim the RCMP, which is an organization, has said TTI is illegal, nor has the RCMP or any single officer ever told me TTI is legal as this lair "TRUTH????" has implied they did, and according to him, they "know." It's clearly obvious readers "BS_TRUTH" is a blatant liar. A nit-picker and twister of truth. He is now, with his tricky-lawyer-truth-twisting skills implying TTI is not under official investigation by the RCMP. He knows the truth, but he does the same representing TTI. He hides and obscures the facts and the truth, "flim-flams" and "smoke and mirrors" you the public. He has no respect for citizens when he is withholding the truth as he does. He has a vested monetary interest in seeing you, your children and anyone else scammed into this fraud. Myself, and credible people my opinions are in sync with, agree this is an illegal pyramid fraud that will ultimately collapse under its own weight. Thousands of people have already lost millions of dollars. Don't be one of them. If you are a victim ...www.crimebustersnow.com e-mail gatoraid@sympatico.ca As far as this lawyer crap, of them understanding the law, it was in fact lawyers and police who misled citizens in this country that the highly illegal, and obviously illegal, pyramid fraud "Women Empowering Women" was perfectly legal. Citizens were convicted and fined and lives destroyed for listening to these liars and crooks. Why on earth would anyone listen these liars and crooked cops and lawyers especially the ones this liar "BS_TRUTH" points to, this time around? I was the one who said the pyramid "WEW" was illegal, just like the child said "The Emperor has no cloths." The child was perfectly right. So was I. But the story doesn't reveal if the police threatened the child, threw the child in jail and beat her up to silence her so they could continue to perpetrate the fraud and convince the citizens they were "still" seeing imaginary clothes. This "BS_TRUTH" is a liar, he aligns himself with lying corrupt lawyers and police, which are plentiful in Ontario. With their record on pyramid fraud, again why would any believe them this time around? dave Lost money on TTI www.crimebustersnow.com gatoraid@sympatico.ca | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1858 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Michael Shibley of Industry Canad is determined that pyramid fraud is going to continue in this country as he steadfastly, belligerently and contemptuously refuses to enforce the law against product based pyramid fraud until all the people at the top have their pockets full, the damage is done, and those that can lest afford it at the bottom are finally scammed. Students, seniors, ethnic groups, single parents, the financial desperate, and the financially unsophisticated. The laws regarding illegal pyramid profit from ”downline” recruitment vis a vis profit from product selling is as clear in Canada Law as it is the U.K. This bureaucrat Michael Shibley responsible for thousands of citizens needlessly losing millions must be removed from one of the most important positions in |
