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     newsgirl (newsgirl) New member Username: newsgirl Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 68.149.202.225 |
Hi, I am working on a consumer news report on Treasure Traders and have noticed some interesting debate on this site. I would like to hear from anyone living in Alberta (especially Edmonton area) that has invested in this or chosen not to because of concerns. You can e-mail me at troubleshooter@globaltv.ca Thank you. Sincerely Global News Troubleshooter | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 415 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
Well, I'd be glad to give you my input about TTI. If you're interested, Gatordave would probably love to take the opportunity to give his side of it. I'll warn you in advance though that his version is pretty skewed and probably has no connection whatsoever to the real business, but he can tell you a whole lot about W.E.W. and illegal pyramids...network marketing just isn't his subject of expertise. Just don't mind the bullhorn and the swearing in every second sentence...  . God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1092 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Then "big mouth" why don't you and your gang leave it alone and stop asking questions and continually demand I defend my story. You're a lair, a hypocrite and a pyramid fraud artist pointing your finger at your victims trying to discredit them all, and away from you president with the real and appauling record of assault, weapon's (to whom) and drugs. That's what people "without blinders" immune to "brainwashing" clearly are seeing all over the world. Hard ciminals and terrorists turning to pyramids masked as MLM, money laundering, counterfiet knockoff merchants and other "white collar" crime as warned about by the World Bank I.M.F. at the G8 Summit. You and the criminal TTI company are a significant part of this world-wide criminal activity. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 418 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Big mouth? In case you haven't noticed, you have nearly 3 times the number of entries as I do (most of which are unrelated to the subject of TTI)...and each of your entries probably averages to twice the length of mine. If anything, it's obvious you're the big hypocrite in this forum. Liar? Do I really have to remind everyone which of the two of us tried denying the claims of several Crown witnesses? It's clear that you also take first place for being the biggest liar here. And if you want to talk about appauling records, perhaps you thought we forgot who was arrested for rape threats, was on probabation for 9 months (without a bullhorn), and was tossed into a mental instiution. God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 298 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.130.0 |
To NewsGirl... Just ask Pro-TTI people who are claiming to operate a MLM business the following simple questions and you'll get your answer fast about the legality of their pyramidal scheme. I never got an answer from them since it would clearly demonstrate they are operating an ILLEGAL Ponzi scheme. When someone is interested to operate a new regular business, he/she wants to know the cost of the product to be retailed and the suggested retail price, in order to know their profit margin. When someone wants to operate a MLM or Network Marketing business, they want to know the total payout of the company, meaning how much the company is returning to its distributors, total, on a sale. They want to know more than their personal profit, margin, and discounts, according to the volume generated. They also want to know the % they will receive on the sales of their group and on how many levels, plus other advantages such as car and home bonus plan, health care plan, etc... So... my simple questions to all pro TTI people are: 1- Retail price of your product? 2- Your wholesale cost? 3- 1-2 = Your profit margin? 4- % returned on your downline sales 5- On how many levels? 6- % returned for cars, homes, health benefits, promotions I would appreciate to get an answer for only 1 unit sold. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 426 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Or you could just ask ANY government agency if TTI is indeed illegal and I can guarantee that NOT a single government agency will ever give the answer “Yes, TTI is illegal”…why? …because this business is perfectly legal. God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 300 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.130.0 |
To all- As you can see, God Bless makes sure not to answer my simple questions, since it will clearly demonstrate TTI is an ILLEGAL pyramidal Ponzi scheme. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 427 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
You gotta love the logic in that one? So what you're saying is that just because questions aren't answered, we could automatically assume it's illegal...that's hilarious. You and Dave must be smokin' some good stuff to be coming up with these retarded explanations. So does anyone know exactly how much milkshake mix (rounded to the nearest milliliter) was put in the very first McDonald's milkshake machine? No? Well, I guess with wmmw's logic, that would make McDonald's illegal now wouldn't it? I just can't wait to see how you're gonna get yourself out of this one...let me guess...copy and paste? God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1105 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You gotta love the "logic" B.S. "TRUTH" has been spewing since he got on this forum. So what you're saying B.S. “TRUTH”is that just because questions aren't answered, we could automatically assume TTI is legal...that's hilarious. So, because the government won’t answer the question whether TTI is legal or illegal... that alone makes them legal, and because they won’t answer officially if TTI is under investigation... that also, any evidence to the contrary, makes TTI automatically legal. We were the first to present that true logic, readers. So, I’m glad to see B.S. “TRUTH” accepts our logic and supports it even if it is through his ridiculous questions!!! Our logical conclusion is that TTI is not legal just because noone in government answers questions or arrests these criminals!! Now, crack houses and open dope selling on our streets, according to B.S. “TRUTH”’s logic, is also perfectly legal we must assume, because the police don’t arrest all of them" and they have been operating for years. Is any of this twisted logic sound like the same B.S. applied to just about every aspect of this B.S. business aka pyramid scam at the B.S. cult motivational meetings with the imaginary ship Destiny and the perpetual recruiting method? Of course whether an act can be judged to be legal or illegal solely on questions unanswered and laws not yet enforced, was proven a fallacy with Alan Kippax’ finial capture and so far uncontested or un-protested conviction. Now B.S. “TRUTH” is on about "McDonald’s Milkshakes being “rounded off to the nearest millilitre”.....and then his twisted allegations thrown at us again ....and I don’t know about you “MWWM” but I have never engaged in illicit drugs, or been convicted for weapons drugs or assault. So, of course here is B.S. “TRUTH” again twisting and accusing others of their own wrongdoings and drug abusing habits. Can you, B.S. “TRUTH”, tell us if Kippax was convicted for using weapons and drugs or selling weapons and drugs or both and who did he assault? Perhaps you could post some of the transcripts from his trial so people can have a true background into who and what they are dealing with or show us contradictions that would exonerate him as another victim and target of police brutality and harassment. So, readers, to whom is it most plausible that this twisted logic and conclusion of B.S. “TRUTH”’s applies and I quote B.S. "TRUTH".....“sounds like you and Dave must be smokin' some good stuff to be coming up with these retarded explanations”....... Really, I mean, considering the indisputable evidence. Does this not sound to you like desperation from the corporate board rooms??? I had a long talk with a retired chartered accountant about pyramid fraud yesterday. Extremely, and I mean extremely, enlightening. If anyone has the “DICTIONARY OF CANADIAN LAW” second Edition by Carswell or go to the library, look on page 1113 under “SCHEME OF PYRAMID SELLING”. You will note it is selling. This deals with product. So, again the twister of TRUTH and FACT aka B.S. “TRUTH” is proven wrong according to the “DICTIONARY OF CANADIAN LAW” which he no doubt will denounce and deny as he doses every other written reports, court decision, or written conclusions of Attorney’s General and the World Bank. B.S. “TRUTH” wants us to believe that these “junk” gemstones separates TTI from the illegal pyramid fraud of the decade “Women Empowering Women” aka the decades old “Airplane” Scam, aka “Chain Letter”. But remember he did concede it would be the same fraud without the emerald. The law Dictionary shows it is the same illegal fraud notwithstanding the introduction of the emerald or any other product. As previously pointed out and proved, it is possible to saturate the world with this recruiting pyramid fraud, which has been acknowledged and proven by TTI’s own Captains including the “brainwashed” moron “MAKE_7000" who is ducking the people who lost on his boards who "he could, as he said, care less about" instead of giving the money back and going after the criminals who “brainwashed” him into this. So, it is possible to, saturate the world with only 1 in 8 winners, without ever possessing, selling or buying a emerald or any other product except the worthless piece of paper that many people are now holding and many, now knowing it is a scam refuse to redeem by “throwing good money after bad” That’s the truth. That’s the way it is and I hope in this, there is that “ring of truth” or as is written in the “Declaration of Independence” "It is self evident that etc....... dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 429 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
This business is legal based on the fact that it follows ALL laws. Now as for weapons and drug possession...I'm not sure about you but personally, I think that rape threats, profanity through a bullhorn in public, lying in court against several Crown witnesses, and being in a mental institution, makes Kippax look like an amateur. So, when they were about to put you in the straitjacket, was the first question that came to your mind “Do you guys carry this in purple?”…just curious. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1109 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You were sleeping while every one else was reading the facts. Crown witnesses said they never hear the "f" word uttered one. Did you miss that? One an auxiliary OPP Officer herself. You don't want to call two women liars as well now do you? The judicial Council has the Judge "on the carpet" for bias and "goofyness" Sleeping again or up on something?? Carful or more of your crew are going to declare mutiny on their nutty captain with the steal balls rattling in his hand. And of course I have never be convicted on any rape threat that is fact and that is proven. Kippax was convicted and doesn’t dispute the fact. You are ridiculous. You keep reaching and twisting and lying Do you believe you are fooling anyone with your B.S.?? Even the Wizard of OZ gave up when the curtain was pulled back. You just go on and on thrashing though your smoke and broken mirrors!! Your boards are collapsing in two country. You can provide no plausible reason why TTI is not yet in the U.S. and you can't tell us if TTI is under investigation by the R.C.M.P. The best you can do is to hang on to already proven false allegations and spread lies like a broken record desperately hoping and rumours will be believed like a bunch of church gossips??? .....and then some demented child babble about purple "straight jackets." You are truly a sick-o. I can give you the name of a good psychiatrist were I was forcably taken by lying idiot cops. He found me to be alright. His letter already posted on this sight, but I have doubts you would ever hope make the cut. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 430 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Sorry, we must have missed those “facts”…if they were “facts” that you posted, I probably had my BS shield up so considering the amount of BS you post, very little of what you write actually gets passed the shield. According to what I read…”David Thornton, 64, was found guilty in a Guelph courtroom of causing a disturbance. He was granted a conditional discharge and placed on probation for nine months, with a condition that he not possess a bullhorn or any other device to amplify his voice. Thornton, who represented himself at trial, denied a claim by several Crown witnesses that he used foul language during his loud demonstration in downtown Harriston on March 19, 2004.” So if the Crown witnesses said they never heard the "f" word uttered once, can you explain why you had been found guilty? Let me guess…”corrupt” government? Probably the same corrupt government that let’s people off the hook after making rape threats. Oh wait…I forgot, if the government works in your favour, it’s not corrupt, but when it isn’t in your favour, then it’s corrupt. That makes a lot of sense…not! God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 303 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.130.0 |
To all- Is This a Pyramid or a Legitimate MLM? By Jeffrey A. Babener © 2003 The Inevitable Question OK, you have either been recruited for a network marketing opportunity or you are the one doing the recruiting. Inevitably, this question will come up: Is this a pyramid scheme or a legitimate business opportunity? This Tuna's for Selling A Checklist 1. Product and Price 2. No Investment Required 3. Purchase and Inventory Requirements 4. Sales Commissions Sources 5. Buy-Back Policy 6. Retail Sales 7. Active Role for Distributors 8. Earnings Misrepresentations 9. Good Training Although this is a complex legal area, a simple story draws a clear line in the sand. Party No. 1 sells Party No. 2 a case of cans of tuna fish for $10. Party No. 2 sells the same case to No. 3 for $20 and so on until No. 9 sells the case to No. 10 for $500. No. 10 opens the case and opens one of the cans, which turns out to be rancid. He goes back to No. 9 who refers him to No. 8 and so on until No. 10 goes to No. 1 to complain. "I have major problem," he says. "So, what's your problem?" says No. 1. "Well," says No. 10, "the tuna is rancid, it's inedible." "So, what's your problem," No. 1 says again. No. 10 says, "Like I said, this tuna is no good." "Well," says No. 1, "the way I see it, you don't really have a problem." "What do you mean?" says No. 10, "this stuff is worthless." "You don't understand," said No. 1, "this tuna is for selling, it's not for eating!" And there lies the difference. Distributors in a network marketing program that are merely buying product to buy into the deal as opposed to an intention of really making a market for it, are really working a pyramid scheme, not a legitimate direct selling business. Remember, when you offer this opportunity to your next-door neighbor or your best friend, it's your credibility that's going to be on the line for years to come. What to Look for - A Checklist So, what do you look for with respect to legitimacy vs. pyramid? Here's a good checklist to consider. Product and Price Does the company offer a high quality product for which there is a strong demand in the real world marketplace? Is the product fairly priced and priced competitively with similar products? Can the product be demonstrated, and does it stand out when you show it to friends? Is the product proprietary to the company, and available only through its distributors? (Have you ever noticed that you can't buy Avon products in stores or Shaklee vitamins at pharmacies?) Is it backed up with a customer satisfaction guarantee? Is post-sales service or customer assistance available? Do the people who participate in the program buy the product enthusiastically based on its own merits, even if they don't participate in the compensation program? Second, No Investment Requirement Can you participate in the company's program without having to make any investment other than purchasing a sales kit or demonstration materials sold at company cost? Third, Look at Purchase and Inventory Requirements Can you become a distributor or sales representative without having to fulfill a minimum up-front purchase or inventory requirement? (When you are pitched to put thousands of dollars of inventory at the very beginning, run fast in the opposite direction.) Does the company's compensation plan discourage inventory loading? Garages and backrooms filled with product serve no useful purpose to anyone. Fourth, Look at the Sales Commissions Sources Are sales commissions paid only on actual products or services sold through distributors in the network to the end-user or ultimate consumer? (This means that products don't end up in basements and closets. They are used, because they have genuine value.) Does the compensation plan avoid paying commissions or bonuses for the mere act of sponsoring or recruiting? (If it pays headhunting fees, it is illegal.) Fifth, Check the Buy-Back Policy Will the company buy back inventory and sales kit materials from distributors who cancel their participation in the program, as long as these items are in resalable condition? (This policy is required in states that have adopted multilevel distribution statutes.) Sixth and Very Important, Look for Retail Sales Is there an emphasis on actual retail sales to end-consumers? Can the company demonstrate efforts to market products to the ultimate consumer? Do the company's distributors have ongoing retailing requirements to qualify for commissions? What is a "retail sale?" The industry and many MLM statutes include both sales to nonparticipants and purchases in reasonable amounts for personal use by distributors. Some regulatory groups, including the FTC, have historically rejected personal use as a legitimate retail sale. Stay tuned as this debate continues. The legislative trend is definitely supportive of the industry position. Seventh, Expect an Active and not Passive Role for Distributors Are distributors in the company required to actively participate in the development and management of their networks? (Many of the MLM statutes require that distributors perform bona fide, supervisory, distributing, selling, or soliciting functions in moving product to the ultimate consumer.) Eighth, Watch Out for Earnings Misrepresentations Do the company's literature and training materials scrupulously avoid claims of income potential that is promises of specific income levels other than demonstrations of verifiable income levels within its program? (The Federal Trade Commission, attorneys general, and postal inspectors all have their eyes on the matter of earnings representations. The acceptable approach emerging is that there should be no earnings representations unless they are based on a verifiable track record of the average earnings of distributors. For instance, a company should have statistics to show the percentage of active distributors and the average earnings of active distributors.) Finally, Look for Good Training Does the company offer its independent distributors solid training opportunities in sales and recruitment? Are different levels of training offered to match the increasing levels of experience and responsibilities of distributors? The Journey Begins OK, is this the end of your journey? Obviously not. You have now looked at some legal issues and its time to move on to some solid business analysis. But it's a great start. Jeffrey A. Babener Babener & Associates 121 SW Morrison, Suite 1020 Portland, OR 97204 Jeffrey A. Babener, the principal attorney in the Portland, Oregon law firm of Babener & Associates, represents many of the leading direct selling companies in the United States and abroad. www.mlmlegal.com | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 439 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Good thing we covered all this months ago. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1122 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"Susanna Friedl susanna@garygoodyear.com Thursday, September 1, 2005 9:22 a.m. RE:TTI FRAUD Hi David, We have inquired into Treasure Trader's, and have been advised that the organization is currently under investigation by the RCMP. We respectfully ask for your patience while they conduct their investigation. Our office will be in contact with you as we receive any news relevant to this issue. Have a great day! | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 315 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.147.67 |
To all, mainly Pro-TTI... Voiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice, You are DODGING the questions again. Answer the simple questions. No more spin doctoring!!! Still waiting that YOU, the so-called TTI specialist, give a CLEAR and SIMPLE answer to a very simple question for ONLY ONE sale of a Gem Pack in $ and %. 1- Suggested Retail price: ? = 100% 2- Wholesale price: ? 3- Retail profit (1-2): ? 4- Bonuses on downline: ? 5- Other overrides (car-house-etc.): ? Total Payout to distributors (3+4+5): ? I want that everybody here understand clearly that I'm not against any legal and legitimate REAL MLM companies, since I think this is a great industry. But... I'm clearly AGAINST people trying to promote an illegal scheme to other people, and trying to compare TTI's scheme to reputable companies such as Amway or Quixtar. All LEGIT companies can answer easily to the SIMPLE question I asked because they don't have to wait for NEXT sales to be able to pay their distributors. They can pay them on each sale made. I'm just proving here that TTI is totally per se ILLEGAL and a CLEAR Ponzi Scheme, even if hidden under appearances of legality. I'm challenging any TTI so-called specialists to answer to my simple question. God Bless tried with no success. Another one gave us a payout BIGGER than the selling price. Ask yourself why TTI so-called specialists cannot answer this simple question anybody from any LEGIT company can answer easily without turning and turning around the pot... (Message edited by wm-mw on September 10, 2005) (Message edited by wm-mw on September 10, 2005) | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1131 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The reason they will never answer those questions “WMMW” is because they are not a legal MLM. You give one person $1200. Your name is on the 1-winner-8-loser-pyramid-board the same as the "WEW", NASCAR, and decades old original "AIRPLANE" scam. If and only if each person recruits two more there will be mathematically and ultimately 1 winner 8 losers, if not there will be even more losers since after 10 days your money will not be returned unless your Captain feels a moral responsibility. If as a Captain you have been talked into multiple boards you will lose thousands. If you have the moral responsibility to return the money you and/or your “downline”will lose what has been given to Kippax. If the money is all sent to Kippax to be held until the boards are completed he will retain all the money from “broken boards” as a bonanza. You are never required to actually purchase a gemstone. A purchase order certificate especially without sales tax paid is not a purchase of product. Any knowledgeable credible lawyer or chartered accountant will tell you that. Do not be mislead by these crass vicious pro TTI or be “soft soaped” by Bruce Audley. A purchase order certificate is not a purchase of a product. This is twisting of words, smoke and mirrors, “flim-flam”. What do you expect from a convicted weapons, drugs, and assault criminal, particularly when his character was examined and found lacking by the Ontario Securities Commission in December of 2003 only weeks after this fraud was begun. Kippax does not dispute his conviction nor judicial treatment. Now, Bruce what special status and influence do you have with the government that the rest of us ordinary Canadians do not have. Who is the S.O.B. in the government you claim told you this business was “perfectly legal” so this nonsense could be spread all over the world assuring citizens TTI was legally O.K. ahead of an R.C.M.P. investigation??? Who was it Bruce??? dave | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 323 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.147.67 |
To Bruce- I know Dave can be a lot insisting sometimes but I really think we should have the privilege to know the name of the person who confirmed you that TTI is legal. Since there are millions and millions of $$$ at stake and so many potential victims, we should know who this person is so we can check with him/her his/her credibility. We should also be able to check out your sources especially when there is such an appearent conflict between your statement and the R.C.M.P. investigation. We know the R.C.M.P. agents do not move on investigations lightly and without serious cause. That's just common sense. They are not small town cops. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 451 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
I think we also should have the priviledge of knowing the name of the person who confirmed that TTI is illegal...oh wait a minute, I guess that's impossible because there isn't a single government agency that can stand by this accusation. Why do you think that is? Well, one reason is the fact that TTI IS LEGAL. God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 469 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Is it just me, or does Dave appear to reveal symptoms of Schizophrenia? http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-ps01.html Social and/or Occupational Impairment – he’s got no job and it looks like anyone he tries to get close to, seems to leave him. Obsessive Thinking or Compulsive Rituals – It’s very evident that he is obsessed with himself and his opinions. Regardless of the fact that his opinions have resulted in false accusations, he still continues to repetitively state irrelevant info. Irritability or Hostility – I think his posts clearly express this. I mean, who else in this forum but him writes a phrase like “YOU VILE ROTTEN SLIMY PIGS. I HOPE SOMEONE YOU SCREWED SMASHES YOU SO "GOD BLESSED" HARD IN THE HEAD YOU NEVER AGAIN KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR WHERE ARE. YOU DEGUSTING PIECE OF CRAP.” Poor Sexual Interest or Ability – well, he did have not one, but two, wives leave him. Overly Dependent Behavior – Before Bruce expressed his opinion with regards to the legality of this business, Dave seemed to latch onto Bruce for support and approval. Money Management Problems – He is broke and begs people to send money. What more can I say? Need for Institutional Care – We all know he’s been in a mental hospital, been to jail, and has had to involve the police on more than one occasion. Physical Violence – well, as he was being arrested for yelling profanity threw a bull horn, witnesses did say that threw himself onto a female officer. Makes you wonder if those rape threats were fabricated. Risk of Harming Self – I think we have all seen how many times he’s been talking about police eventually killing him. I think all his experiences could have easily been avoided but he seems to seek disaster rather than attempt to avoid it. “Self-destruction” is like his middle name. Distrust or Suspiciousness – Do the words “lying”, “sniping”, “misleading”, and “corrupt”, ring a bell? Poor Memory or Learning Ability – How many times have we have to repeat specific aspect of this business?...he obviously can’t comprehend even the most obvious things. It’s no wonder he still believes this business is illegal. This is just my analysis though. For all we know, he could easily be classified under some other scientific term that means “wacko”. Since we can’t really confirm anything at this point, we can just call him “Prisoner 1000325524”…that was your prison number right Dave?…but, I guess that would depend on which prison occasion we’re talking about. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1167 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
YOU WORD TWISTING VILE SCUM. WHAT LEGAL ETHICAL COMPANY WOULD EVER, EVER OPERATE IN THIS MANNER. THIS IS WHAT YOU DO TO YOUR VICTIMS AND FORMER DISTRIBUTORS AND PEOPLE WONDER WHY VICTIMS WON'T COME FORWARD. YOU ARE WAY OVER THE LINE YOU VICIOUS S.O.B. YOU TAKE EVERY THING THAT IS DECENT AND TURN IT TO EVIL . AND SIGN IT “GOD BLESS”. WHAT AN EDUCATION. I HAVE MET NASTY PEOPLE IN MY LIFE BUT NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS DID I IMAGE A WELL EDUCATED PERSON PREMEDITATEDLY VICIOUS AS THIS COULD EVEN EXIST. Then again witness the “BS_TRUTH”....... To cause all this trauma to victims then add insult to injury by using God Bless is repugnant, absolutely sickening and abhorrent Again, have you shown you wife and children what you are participating in on this board? | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 481 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
"I HAVE MET NASTY PEOPLE IN MY LIFE BUT NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS DID I IMAGE A WELL EDUCATED PERSON PREMEDITATEDLY VICIOUS AS THIS COULD EVEN EXIST." Really? I assume you've never met Gatordave then. Ooops...sorry... you said "well educated", right?...my bad. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1181 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Consider from where it comes readers. I realize "BS_TRUTH" self proclaimed from God, that people who do not have your education like that single mother are beneath your contempt and are only vicitms to be torn apart, dragged home for your family to feed on. that that the nature of the jackal | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 490 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
In case you haven't noticed, an alligator being a creature of both land and water, has a much larger range of victims...from tiny insects to large mammals. And I highly doubt jackals have a preference of educated versus non-educated, nor male versus female. Just thought I'd point that out. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1198 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Now, getting back to the illegal pyramid fraud that is spreading across two continents and threatening world wide coverage dragging in more and more victims, the public needs to be warned. I urge readers again to spread the word and make complaints to law enforcement, the BBB and the media. It really is that simple. 35,000 complaints from the GTA I assure would result in action. At least to warn people. dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) New member Username: the_truth Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
So, 35,000 complaints minus the one Gatordave submitted means only 34,999 to go! Come on people…let’s get those complaints moving…heck, even if you haven’t been affected by this business, call it in anyway…Dave can use all the help he can get. And let’s not forget to send him cash to help him make this work. Please send your credit card numbers directly to gatoraid@sympatico.ca and don’t worry about asking for a tax receipt…it’s just a worthless piece of paper anyway. God bless | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1218 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I'll let readers decide this one. (Message edited by gatordave on September 21, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) New member Username: the_truth Post Number: 11 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
You mean that you're not going to be making the decision for them this time? Are you feeling okay, because normally you'd be shoving your opinion down people's throats, making false claims that your beliefs are facts. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1223 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You were shoving your "TTI is perfectly legal" BS down people's throats long before I ever got to this forum. TTI Captains use the threat of physical force to maintain that opinion. Statements like "watch your back and you might get it in the back of a parking lot"... etc. The President of TTI of course with the criminal record of assault and weapons. My claim is that TTI is an illegal pyramid fraud buoyed by cheap gemstones and under investigation by the RCMP. Posted are the laws information, opinions of educated academics, Attorney's General, law enforcement, my own views and opinions... all for citizens to read and decide if they share these same views. Simple! and that's the truth!!! dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) New member Username: the_truth Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
At this point TTI has not violated any laws and based on the RCMP investigation you’ll find that they also haven’t found any laws being broken. Therefore, by definition, it is in fact legal. Thus, your claims of it being illegal is simply your opinion and is not a fact. God bless | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1229 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
What privileged information do have that the RCMP have concluded their investigation and found that TTI is perfectly legal? If you have none you are back to trying to “brainwash” readers with your stupid, brainless sick argument, which I’m sure a fourteen year old can see through, that a bank robbery is perfectly legal while police are investigating and until there is a conviction, so go out and commit all the bank robberies you wish. I can understand your utter desperation for damage control and perception, continuing you efforts to confuse and peddle your smoke and mirrors BS, with your boards collapsing and your ship sinking. But as I pointed before “even the Wizard of OZ gave it up when the curtain of truth was lifted from his scam.” ...........and that’s the truth!!! dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) New member Username: the_truth Post Number: 19 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
What privileged information do have that the RCMP have concluded their investigation and found that TTI is illegal? You see, a bank robbery is illegal, period. If a bank robber walked into a police station and confessed he just robbed the bank across the street, he would be arrested and convicted for robbing a bank. If a TTI distributor walked into a police station and confessed that he is taking part in gemstone distribution network marketing business and has just sold $1200 worth of gemstones to the guy across the street, they might ask a few questions and when they bring in the guy across the street and confirm that he did in fact agree to purchase $1200 worth of gemstones, then it is confirmed that no crime has been committed. So let’s assume that the police want to take the investigation one step further regardless of the fact that the man across the street openly admitted that they agreed to make the purchase. The police then decide to investigate whether or not the gemstones are genuine and worth the amount it was sold for. Well, who better to gather that information from than a gemstone specialist. So they locate a gemstone expert who is trained and qualified to evaluate the value of a gemstone, and lo and behold, it turns out that the gemstone is in fact genuine and based on the system they have in place for evaluating the value, it does in fact turn out to be valued higher than the amount it was sold for. So you ask, “Well, the guy across the street just received a paper certificate, so how are they supposed to evaluate the value of the gemstone with a “worthless” piece of paper?” Well, because a sale has in fact been made, all the distributor needs to do is exchange that piece of paper (kind of like how you go to Burger King, order your food, give your cash to the cashier, get a “worthless piece of paper”, and when your food is ready you exchange that piece of paper for your food) for a gemstone worth the value he had paid…no extra payments are required, thus confirming that it is IN FACT a sale. As such, this business is in fact legal. God bless | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1248 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
First, you don't exchange the piece of paper for anything. Like the car dealership or a Burger King if you only have a certificate for a fraction of the total price you get nothing. Secondly, like "WEW" pyramid fraud not only did people "go across the street" to tell the police, hell the police were in it!!! Corrupt police and lawyers like in this TTI illegal fraud told them it was legal and were in it themselves. So, much for that BS logic. Corruption has no legal logic. Thirdly, you seem to think if you "wave" a product around that makes an illegal pyramid model automatically legal. Well that too is B.S. Industry Canada's own website deals with product as it carefully explains what to look for in pyramid fraud with product. Fourthly, if product pyramids with such things as dog food and tuna fish are illegal then the simplest form is a “clone” of an already recognized illegal pyramid fraud (where people were convicted) with an optional (you don’t have to purchase anything, just look at them at a meeting) gemstones with the same collapsing boards, with the exact same devastating results now being witnessed as mathematically predicted, and is by definition also illegal. Fiftly, By your definition the “WEW” pyramid could have continued successfully without reaching saturation since the recruiting system is exactly the same and people could have gone on indefinitely with captains getting $40,000 every time they filled a board, then have gone to any jeweller if they really wanted to buy gemstones. Isn’t that true with the examples your touting? Answer that? And lastly Explain what an illegal pyramid with a product mathematically looks like. You and that Industry Canada hypocrite Michael Shibley are running short on smoke and your mirrors are breaking into tiny pieces, and your phoney perpetual money making boards are collapsing all over two continents and people are P.O. And now your company and the government need to move into “damage control” and corrupt coverup! The question is how many citizens are you, the cops and government officials going to intimidate this time to keep their mouths shut???! ........ and that’s the truth!!! and of course you and Shibley know that!!! Your B.S. and that of Michael Shibley's is only being "spouted" to fool and frustrate the masses. and that too is the truth!!! PS Who was the RCMP or government official that told you TTI was legal??? All your B.S. company had to do was pay a $1000 and get an opinion letter. | ||
| the_truth_ (the_truth_) New member Username: the_truth_ Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.129.7 |
To Pro-TTI You should do like me and open your eyes. God has just opened my eyes and I'm now on the other side. I'm no more using God's name as my signature. I was blind and my judgement was darkened by money. I was ready to sell my mother just for getting more and more money. I had sold my soul to Kippax. Thank you, God, to have converted me. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Junior Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 28 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
"the_truth_" Nice try... . I guess your motto must be..."If you can't beat 'em...BE 'em!" Glad to have you on the opposing side. I know you must be upset after you came to the realization that this business is legal, but pretending to be me might be revealing your desperation just a tad...don't you think? God bless. | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) New member Username: real_truth Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.128.31 |
"the_truth" What a turn-about! Ups and downs like that are really bad signs. Religious one day, euphoric the next day. Better to make sure you take your pills or to see your doctor fast. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1266 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Toronto Sun Sat Sept 24, 2005 Video of beating helps send cop to jail Judge rips gratuitous assault on defenceless citizen BRAMPTON — Cosnt. Roy Preston will spend this weekend and several consecutive weekends, in jail for punching Jama Said Jama, an assault caught on amateur videotape. In a judgement blasted by Preston’s lawyer and the Toronto Police Association, Justice Peter Wilkie sentenced the 37 year old cop to 30 days behind bars for the August 2003 attack. This was a gratuitous assault by a police officer against a defenceless citizen.” Wilkie said. “The court must send a clear unambiguous message that this conduct will not be tolerated.” Wilkie pointed out in his in his sentence that an aggravating factor was Preston’s actions after the assault. Those included falsifying his notes, making a fake injury report and charging Jama with assaulting a police officer — a charge later dropped. He deliberately set the justice system in motion against an innocent man,” Wilkie said. "Had it not been for the videotape, the defendant Preston may have been successful. Anyone with even a modicum of experience with police friend or foe if honest will tell you that is standard procedure in police investigations. It’s considered “building a case” against the accused as opposed to investigating the truth just for the sake of the truth. This Great Country looks less and less Great, Bruce Audley and the rest of your “swarming gang” you have aligned yourself with, and my complaints gather more and more credibility. I didn’t have a Video, but I still have the falsified notes of the non-existent Court Order, the assault that did not take place, and the proof the rape threat was never uttered, nor one word spoken the morning on the day I was arrested which was later changed to a screaming threat, as falsely claimed and exemplified and supported in the story above. And I (we) still have the bullhorn (temporally donated to an organization) that has been proven cannot be heard three blocks away let alone in a moving vehicle, engine running and window down. And those witnesses; highschool kids that saw my arrest in Harriston; the women who testified they didn’t hear the “F” word ever used and the dozens of others nearby that also witnessed the arrest, and now know their police are dirty liars and perjurers. It is pathetic what the police will allow members of the public to observe if they feel they can get away with it!! Adds to their extrajudicial powers. Who will stand up for their rights, or those of their neighbour or come forward with information against police when they witnesses police getting away with beating, perjury and falsified evidence? Isn’t that what is observed in a corrupt totalitarian regime? Police openly violating the law while citizens are fearing to speak out hide in silence? The judge made that clear when he observed “Had it not been for the video tape, the defendant (Preston) may have been successful.” Is there anyone willing to at least admit to a reasonable doubt in the cases you are ripping me apart over, or are you truly just an irrational lynch-mob angry simply because I expressed my views about a company based upon credible evidence and information found in books, reports by police and prosecutors and thesis by learned academics. Having said that, now what has all this got to do with TTI?? Simply that I have again been threatened by a cop for exposing TII . It was at the highschool in Mississauga a few months back as I handed out pamphlets. I intend to return notwithstanding an intimidating cop who threatens an unarmed senior with his gun and bully tactics and refuses to give an occurrence#. The beaten up victim because of a video managed to escape my fate of an ignorant bias judge Norman Douglas I “drew” who ignored evidence and is himself before the Judicial Review Council. And judge G. J. Brophy who ignored the obvious lies in the police officers notes and reports and trumped up evidence by perjurer Officer Brad Smith. Again, Is there anyone willing to at least admit to a reasonable doubt in the cases you are ripping me apart over, or are you truly just an irrational lynch-mob unconcerned with the truth, angry simply because I expressed my views about a company based upon credible evidence and information found in books, reports by police and prosecutors and thesis by learned academics? dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Junior Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 34 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
"This Great Country looks less and less Great" Personally, as I see all the stuff that goes on in other parts of the world, I can't think of any other place I would rather be than in Canada. If all you ever talk about is how unfair our government treats you, why the heck do you bother staying? You constantly refer to innocent people that are being sent to prison for crimes they haven't committed, but do you even bother to take into account the fact that a significant majority of people are in fact imprisoned because they have indeed committed a crime. Let’s face it, people make mistakes…therefore our government which is made up of human decision-makers will inevitably make errors. Really, what do you propose we do about it?...Do you expect our government to just let anyone off the hook when they say, “Your Honour, it wasn’t me…I swear!”? When the baker made claims that you did in fact scream profanity through a bullhorn, was the judge supposed to just ignore that piece of evidence? When a 7-year old girl claims that her 2nd grade teacher molested her, but the other 32 students in the class say he was the nicest teacher they’ve ever had, should the judge simply ignore the claim made by that one little girl?…I sure hope not! You claim to have been physically abused by cops on multiple occasions, but the other 99% of Canadians who follow the rules seem to get along just fine with the police force. Why do you think that is Dave? Do you honestly believe that they’ve got your picture up at each police station with a short blurb that says, “If you see this man, give him a good beating”? Personally, I can only assume that you are simply not playing by the rules and rather than avoid confrontation, you tend to instigate it. I simply make that assumption based on your behavior in this forum. Now, feel free to go ahead and continue labeling me as a “sick puppy” but I’m sure the readers can see what I’m trying to say. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1293 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Of course. And they deserve to be there!!. And didn’t I clearly state before; that I am not so cynical to believe the majority of people in Canadian jails are innocent as in some countries. The thing I have had my eyes open to, is that there are far more that I would have ever believed in both Canada an the U.S. jails, and that in both our democratic countries is appalling. The whole premise of democracy is not to just put anyone in jail on false charges because you don’t like what they say, or their politics, or the way they look ,or because you THINK they might commit a crime. You have not an once of justice in you entire being that I can detect. Not even enough empathy to concede and say “god that could happen to me. How awful to be beaten up and falsely accused.” You justify putting anyone randomly in jail because there are criminals in jail that deserve it. So, what you saying as I understand it, execute a few innocent people it doesn’t matter because most people in jail are criminals anyway. Besides, the issue wasn’t about guilty people in jail. It was about innocent people being beaten up in Canada and innocent people in Canadian Jails. With your attitude if you were in control it would not be long before we would be the same as the countries you propose I go to if I don’t like Canada. It is people like you that wanted a 14 year old youngster hung as an adult in Clinton not far from where I lived. Stephen Truscotte. Good self righteous Christians, for the most part, would have lynch him had they been able to get their hands on him.. You are so absolutely bound in hatred and prejudice that there is nothing I believe that I could say or any issue I could raise, or point out that you would agree with unless I said Treasure Traders International is legal.” And mistakes are mistakes I agree. But, a trained cop unjustly beating someone up then with premeditation falsifying evidence to hopefully also jail him and turn the assault around to what our society wrongly believes is a worst offence of assault on a police officer is no mistake.. A police officer with his power and training on how to justly use that power, sworn to defend and protect, that beats an innocent citizen and viciously trumps up evidence has, in my opinion committed a far greater crime than a common citizen who unjustifiably takes a punch at a cop. But that citizen will suffer a far greater penalty. But in your mind as God’s appointed “TRUTH” it must frustrate you to hell that this is all you can do to torment me. Don’t you long for the days in centuries past when self appointed men of God like you need only “round me up” tie me to a stake and shove a white hot poker in my throat and eyes. All the while uttering God bless. Isn’t that the real truth?? I didn’t ask to be “let off the hook”(acquitted) as you imply by saying “your Honour it wasn’t me I swear.” Again you “Christian” know it all gossiping bigot you weren’t there for any of it. You wrote ..... “When the baker made claims that you did in fact scream profanity through a bullhorn, was the judge supposed to just ignore that piece of evidence? No absolutely not. But was he supposed to “cherry pick” the witnesses evidence and ignore two female PROSECUTION witness with equal or better credibility one an axillary police officer who were the closest and testified they DID NOT HEAR THE “f” WORD USED ONCE You “Christian” sick bigot? And it is physically impossible to hear that model of bullhorn 3 blocks away. That is fact not opinion. It has been tried and witnessed. And the judge has been found by the higher court to be bias, and was during my trial (unbeknownst to me) and at this moment being investigated for his bias and bizarre behaviour. Because of the obvious conflict in the prosecutor’s own case, “yelling “f” every other word vis-a-vis two women never head it uttered once, my plea to the Judge was contained in his own words. “Your Honour you said “It is only common sense that sometimes people exaggerate and sometimes people lie, I will give you that Mr. Thornton.” I am asking you honour will you give me that.” (Reasonable doubt) Why do you think they testified they didn’t hear it? Christian bigot. You and your kind are about the most dangerous on a jury. But none of that will enter the mind of a bigot, particularly a “Christian” bigot. I have had success opening the minds of a few bigots especially racially bigoted, but never ever a “Christian” bigot. They are absolutely right and their gossip absolutely “THE_TRUTH” despite any facts!! This debate is wasted on you though, but it is good for readers to see someone with your bigoted “tunnel vision” exposed himself especially if they are ever called as jurors. And no, all professing Christians are not bigots to answer what undoubtably would be THE GREAT "I AM" Bruce Audley’s assertions. “So now Dave lets get this absoulely clear are you saying all Christians are bigots." And you "TRUTH" B.S.B.M. talk from both sides of your mouth. You wrote “let’s face it, people make mistakes…therefore our government which is made up of human decision-makers will inevitably make errors.” And isn’t that what I have asked? At least a mistake. But we also know many politicians, government agents and police are absolutely corrupt and some from all three categories have actually committed murdered. When a 7-year old girl claims that her 2nd grade teacher molested her, but the other 32 students in the class say he was the nicest teacher they’ve ever had, should the judge simply ignore the claim made by that one little girl?…I sure hope not! No the judge shouldn’t. But in their hast to judgement they should not “bury” evidence if she has made similar and proven false claims against fellow students, or generally lies to get friends in trouble, or if the police took her to McDonald’s offering her anything she wants if they tell them what they want to hear and is subjected to subjective sessions with so called “child psychologist.”and the teacher has an alibi placing him somewhere else at the time All of which have been proven to have been done in cases and more. But when three boys say a wealthy man molested them, and the man admits that to both parents, and because he’s wealthy and one of his lawyers Walter McGibbon is the father-in-law of the local Crown Attorney Wm. Morrison of Kitchener and also the Chairman of the Board of the local newspaper the K.W. Record and they have the power to steal the kid’s father’s business and all they helped their dad with, while their dad was in Hong Kong and Malaysia then threaten his dad who mistakenly takes his story to that newspaper and a bigoted United Church Minister Rev. Frank Morgan who writes a weekly column for that same newspaper and later he finds out was a padre for the RCMP that, you “Christian” bigot, is not a mistake. Now if you don’t want to hear this stuff don’t raise the issues. All I wrote was about a beating by police to support my claim police do such things and they did it while I was protesting police beatings and killings and involvement in “WEW” and TTI. Now, I can assure you there are those with “blood on their hands” in Kitchener that would rather not have this raised again. And then with your Christian bigotry as though you have not read a word I’ve written you write..... "You claim to have been physically abused by cops on multiple occasions, but the other 99% of Canadians who follow the rules seem to get along just fine with the police force. Why do you think that is Dave? Did you read nothing or it just cannot penetrate that bigoted mind???!!! Wide open question again with subtle unwritten but implied accusations. I was one of the other 99% of the Canadians and I was very industrious and on my own built a respectable honest business and somehow managed to get through all those troubling teen years without getting a beating by police, resisted peer pressured at parties to smoke pot and weekly binge drinking spending most of my time and what little money I had drawing house plans and making furniture and bits and pieces for the home I wanted to own someday. Gee maybe my problems came about because I don’t play by the rules of the game. Now, you asked the questions so don’t complain when you get the answers. And the explanation is this. And what was the game and what were the rules? Shortly after I’m in business at age 22, I am unfortunate enough by chance to be exposed to the law breaking of Ontario Provincial Police and wealthy citizens they are protecting and using intimidating bullying techniques and their mere intimidating persona to silence those they are oppressing. The rules of the game?” #1 the option of joining them. The offer was made. If not - rule #2 Ignore written Canadian Law, law for the protection of individuals and society, and keep your mouth shut. These people and their corrupt cop friends are above the law. That’s the game. and rule #3? Never break rule#2 . I broke Rule #3. I don’t like dirty cops and corrupt government officials and mistakenly believed there were officials in the process higher up who would deal with such matters. Sadly I was wrong. As a consequent of breaking Rule# 3 I was no longer among the (99%) of which more than 99% of those are never tested this way. A war was set in motion, that it was too late to back out of. I was falsely charged. It then took threats against me, an official’s slap in the face, a punch in the mouth, charges against them, conviction, removal of two top officials for violating the very laws they were enforcing, dismantling of an association, the dismantling of the entire labour committee, and the repealing of oppressive draconian laws controlled by “selective prosecution” by corrupt officials. And five years under continual harassment. Yep!! Didn’t “play by the (corrupt) rules. If you wish to be bored with further details keep asking the questions. But there is a limit!! A question I asked for which there was no response was basically this. I’ll make it a little more specific. If you see a cop snorting coke do you play play by rule# 1 laugh and join ‘em. Rule #2 don’t and shut your mouth, or break #3 (never break #2) on principle and suffer the consequences such as a self proclaimed “Christian” bigot questioning your motives, inventing and spreading gossip condemning you for “breaking the rules” without defining the rules. Answer that question please. It's simple. Join,... keep your mouth shut,... or “blow the whistle.” And there is applied common sense. Do you report a cop for spitting on the street? And if not, by the same token if you see him robbing a store at night and perhaps shooting someone do you apply the the same discretion. And somewhere between the two defines your own character and motives visa-a vis mine. dave. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1305 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I was asked on this forum how I knew Clarence Elkins is innocent. SOME THINGS JUST HAVE THAT RING OF TRUTH! AND SOME PEOPLE ACCEPT INJUSTICE. SOME WILL NEVER GIVE UP. AND SOME JUST MAKE FUN OF THE ADVERSITIES OF OTHERS!! From the “Free Clarence Elkins” website. Website.http://www.freeclarence.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2289&sid=49638a7e855adb9b17d9d3cdba35919e#2289 Everyone!! We have found a match on the DNA it is an exact match to one Earl Mann! He was a neighbor of my mom's. He was convicted of Rape Robbery and Assault. The Ironic thing is Clarence retrieved the DNA by picking up the cigarette butt from this guy because he was being housed in the same cellblock as Clarence. (Unbelievable) If anyone has ever doubted the power of the Lord they need to think about this). There is a press conference being held today at 11 in Akron ... There is an article in Beaconfor L Journal. We did it guys! Now let's pray for an ending to this and pray for Final justice in this case...Thank you Melinda | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) New member Username: real_truth Post Number: 17 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.155.85 |
To all And the real truth came from Melanie: "Message melanie (melanie) New member Username: melanie Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.194.130.13 Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 3:05 pm: TTI IS FRAUD..DON'T BE STUPID, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR MONEY...I DID! And so did a lot of other innocent stupid people" | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 71 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
So I suppose that now we are to just ignore the laws our government has in place and regardless of the fact that this business is still legal, we are supposed to go by what Melanie states simply because she says so…sounds a lot like the Gatordave theory. So where do I sign up to get this authority that apparently have been assigned to Gatordave and Melanie, which supersedes the rules that governs our land? God bless. | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) Junior Member Username: real_truth Post Number: 27 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.155.85 |
To all And the real truth came from Melanie: "Message melanie (melanie) New member Username: melanie Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.194.130.13 Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 3:05 pm: TTI IS FRAUD..DON'T BE STUPID, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR MONEY...I DID! And so did a lot of other innocent stupid people" | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 81 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
I think we heard you the first time. God bless. | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) Junior Member Username: real_truth Post Number: 29 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.155.85 |
To all No need to eat a full bowl of soup to know if it's salted or not. Only a tea spoon will do the job. And the real truth came from Melanie: "Message melanie (melanie) New member Username: melanie Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.194.130.13 Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 3:05 pm: TTI IS FRAUD..DON'T BE STUPID, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR MONEY...I DID! And so did a lot of other innocent stupid people" (Message edited by real_truth on October 10, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 85 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Twice was a bit much…but three times on the same thread is just getting ridiculous. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1348 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"B.S._TRUTH" You took no time at all jumping all over these innocent trusting, NOT STUPID WOMEN on this thread before I had a chance to even comment. You might want to watch what you're poking at here. There are thousands of victims out there and the only thing you have going for you gangster is that the victims are not yet united Now of course this further indication of the mathematical certainty | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 96 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Sorry Dave, I didn't realize you called dibs on the newbies. I just wanted to make sure they took a look at the issue from all perspectives before sending you their checks in the mail. I suppose you prefer that I wait for you to respond to them before I make any comments? Regardless of which of us posts first, it’s still not going to change the fact that this business is still legal. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1362 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You can do what you want "BS_TRUTH" But you have no interest in the issue being looked at from all perspectives, your purpose is and has always been to ridicule the stories, twist the truth and insult disgrundled "victims" calling them stupid and lazy. Simple as that. As I say...."the only thing you have going for you gangster, is that you choose to remain an anonymous coward and the victims of your crimes are not yet united. Your "Achilles Heel" however, is that you have a physical building at 2645 Matheson Blvd. E Mississauga where you might be visited by hundreds, perhaps thousands of disgrundled "scammed victims". Something to consider "big mouth" on the board. dave Gatoraid@sympatico.ca And remember no matter which of us posts first you are operating a cheap product masked pyramid fraud that is collaping all over on two continents as did "WEW" that TTI is cloned from as clearly predicted by police, on record, themselves. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 104 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
I simply asked Melanie, two simple questions: 1) Was it explained to you at the presentation before you came aboard, that in order to create profit, your objective is to create gemstone sales and assist your team in doing the same? 2) Did you follow through with what was explained to you prior to signing up? These 2 questions alone will tell us whether or not TTI lied or cheated her out of her money. As explained before, when someone explains the process from beginning to end, and asks that you do your due diligence before making a final decision…if you decide to agree with going forward with the procedures explained, but fail to actually follow through with it, then you can’t turn the situation around and blame the company for YOUR INABILITY to follow procedures as explained. By the way...you're still the "bigger mouth" on the board.  God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1387 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Those two simple questions, like just about everything else TTI says and does is masked in deceit fraud and “flimflam”.....quote “in order to create profit,.....to create gemstone sales and assist your team in doing the same..”..... What is withheld is the simple fact you must be “in the game early” before the recruitment pools “dry up in your area” and any potential victims already “scammed” are themselves trying to recruit victims and “dump” relatively worthless gemstones for, not 50% more than the TTI appraised value, but for anything they can get such as 3.3% on Ebay, ($45 for TTI appraised $1350 emeralds) almost worthless as stated!! It is impossible, as victims are finding, to follow through with...quote “what was explained to you prior to signing up”.... and that is simply because, those recruitment pools are “dried up”. It is exactly the same as explaining to someone “on paper” how to build a “perpetual motion” machine then blaming them for the fact it will not continue to run “once it is started into motion.” My actual simple question is this. In a town of 6600 people with a potential of perhaps 675 people that will participate in this scam, once 75 captains have recruited the available 600 victims.... where in that town are the 4800 new victims required for the next successful “$7000" payoff come from, and where will the new recruit’s (“phoney gem-sales”) come from that will propel even the original 675 into financial independence which is surly more than $100,000 Per year on a continuing basis? The figures required for that, even in a small town are astronomical. i.e. impossible and the TTI “perpetually motion machine” comes to a screaming halt with TTI and a few captains making thousands at the expense of the unwitting victims. TTI is a fraud in this month of October, National Fraud Prevention Month in Canada. Now, the answer to those simple questions alone will prove TTI lied, deceived and cheated her out of her money. You see the process from beginning to end was not quote "explained to her prior to signing up," as falsely implied by the “self appointed man of God, in reality the “FRAUDULENT_TRUTH”, and that is, the crucial “drying up” of the recruitment pools upon which the “whole TTI house of cards is built”. That is conveniently and fraudulently omitted. What we know is Treasure Traders International is operating the same pyramid fraud as the infamous "Women Empowering Women" pyramid fraud. It is unnecessary to ever touch a gemstone for 8 victims to be scammed by 1 captain for thousands of dollars, who it turn are "brainwashed" into working as a team attempting to recruit groups of 8 more until the pyramid collapses. The complication is the same as that of the great pyramid fraud “Women Empowering Women” in that police officers, lawyers, government employees and according to TTI “captains” RCMP and at least one London Ontario Judge are themselves captains. London Ontario of course was, and is, a “rat’s nest of corruption and coverup of pyramid fraud. Toronto and Mississauga being where many of these frauds are spawned. "Public exposure is the greatest threat to a pyramid scheme. Their own experts say that." ...Douglas Konkol IN CANADA THE POLICE AND GOVERNMENT ARE "RUNNING INTERFERENCE" TO PREVENT THAT EXPOSURE. IN AUSTRALIA AUTHORITIES ARE WARNING THEIR CITIZENS OF THESE PYRAMID SCAMS WHEREAS IN CANADA THE POLICE AND AUTHORITIES ARE NOT ONLY PARTICIPATING IN THESE SCHEMES BUT "BRAINWASHING" THEIR CITIZENS TO HELP PROMOTE THESE FRAUDS. THEY DID IT IN "WEW" AND NOW TTI AND DEPARTURE CENTRAL TO NAME ONLY A FEW. (Message edited by gatordave on October 16, 2005) | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1404 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I have just spoken to the RCMP in Calgary. Was told TTI was investigated and closed down and his belief they are no longer operating in his province. So the question.... is TTI operating "perfectly legally" in Alberta now or has TTI been routed out of that province? Now, "B.S._TRUTH" "B.M.B.S_VOICE" will you confirm or deny this for the readers. gatordave | ||
| voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason) New member Username: voice_of_reason Post Number: 12 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.158.75.116 |
Dave, perhaps you should call this RCMP officer back and invite him to attend one of the 4 meetings a week STILL going on in Calgary. Why? Because TTI is STILL PERFECTLY LEGAL. Perhaps another person sick and tired of talking to Dave, and telling him things he wants to hear? | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1408 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Maybe your right B.M.B.S.”VOICE” about all of that except for the fact TTI is running an illegal pyramid fraud, an exact "clone" of the infamous Women Empowering Women pyramid fraud and like that fraud the "boards" are collapsing and victims are losing millions of dollars as we are slowly beginning to hear from victims. Now he did say the RCMP “closes them down” and they "pop up" again. And that there is “so much "white collar crime" they can't deal with it all.” That maybe is why you’re still operating, because we know, and it's PERFECTLY OBVIOUS" you’re not “perfectly legal.” At least that's the RCMP's' B.S. excuse. But as I told him, in the last huge pyramid fraud, had the cops charged the cop's relatives, like chief’s wives, the politicians, the lawyers, the school boards officials, teachers, principles, church ministers, the judges wives, accountants etc., that they investigated and found were some of the biggest “players” in the fraud instead of “sweeping the names under the carpet” “selectively” charging and “selectively” prosecuting and intimidating only a farmer’s wife and a Tupperware lady in our entire area, those same people would not be promoting TTI pyramid fraud calling it “perfectly legal” as they did in the “WEW” scam. From the front page of our local newspaper THE KINCARDINE NEWS ...“....word on the street has it that seven local prominent women had been charged. “We have received some information on it.” says Constable Darryl Campbell of the Kincardine OPP. “But we haven’t laid charges.” Noone revealed the full scale investigation by OPP special investigator from out side Kincardine - (Peterborough I believe) Bill Sword, who investigated these upper echelon and put a “lid” on the whole town. And why not? Cops relatives and politicians were some of the “Group of seven.” The only person in the entire area who said anything and tried to get two people’s $11,000 back (that was just two people scammed) from a politician, still in office, Jan Johnstone of Kincardine went to jail on false “threatening rape charges” and prosecuted on several other false charges by the principles in the fraud and their close friends. Now, she’s a politician. Any enquiring member of the public from anywhere in a free society should be able to call her and ask direct questions. “Were you in “WEW” and were you investigated by OPP Bill Sword and do you know other politicians involved in that illegal fraud?.” Particularly the press in this country?????????? Now, are you denying the RCMP closed down fleetports or whatever you call your scamming meeting or is this RCMP officer a “bold face liar”. Many of them are you know. Many even unlawfully kill people. So, it really is difficult to tell the “good cops from the bad cops” and those that fight crime and those who indulge in it with white collar criminals like yourself. Or like all the other lies, misleading and incomplete statements that are TTI’s M.O., did you withhold that from your answer above. Did they close down TTI cells but like the Kincardine fiasco, cover-up the investigation of those involved? Independent collaborating information I have from Calgary is that many people lost their money. TTI was investigated, something happened, then like in Kincardine everything “went quiet”. Don’t tell me you know nothing about that!!! “Come Clean” and tell the readers the whole truth, B.M.B.S. “VOICE_OF_TREASON” well deserved now that distributors admit you work with police and at least one judge undermining the economy of this county and “sowing seeds of discontent” gatordave. p.s. could you give us the locations and the names of people involved so I could pass that on to the RCMP. Since he's under the impression the RCMP got rid of you. And don't forget this IS "FRAUD AWARNESS/PREVENTION MONTH IN CANADA" | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 123 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
TTI is still legal and relocating of a business is also legal. Let us know when you finally come across evidence that may be used to actually prove your allegations. Yes, this is fraud prevention month, just like it was last year when TTI had their first year anniversary...and just like last year, no government agency will be intervening with this business because it still proves to be perfectly legal. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1420 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Again you answer your own “strawman question” that was never asked. I was not of course referring to the legality of relocating of a business. My exact question had to do with the actual closing down of at least one TTI operation by the RCMP and the photo copying of TTI material omitting the serial#. Nothing to do with relocating a business. But not a word on that specific question, even a denial. Now as far as broken laws are concerned, it is obvious by the recruiting laws alone as one example, that TTI is "perfectly" illegal. And perhaps you are right.... “no government agency will be intervening with this business” but certainly for other motives and excuses some of them sinister, than that it is “perfectly legal.” So, no answer to the problems of the photo copied boards and the RCMP involvement??? | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 131 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
“My exact question had to do with the actual closing down of at least one TTI operation by the RCMP and the photo copying of TTI material omitting the serial#.” Well, in case you haven’t noticed, your previous entry consisted of about 90% babble about WEW. Therefore, your “exact question” wasn’t very exact, now was it? Contrary to your lies, TTI has not been closed down by the RCMP, thus the reason for my explanation regarding relocation. God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 132 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
“Now as far as broken laws are concerned, it is obvious by the recruiting laws alone as one example, that TTI is "perfectly" illegal.” That’s a lie. Recruitment is perfectly acceptable in network marketing, so TTI still adheres to these laws. How else do you think network marketing business grows if recruitment weren’t part of the process…how else do you think ANY business grows if recruitment weren’t part of the process. Think about it! God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 133 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
As for forged boards that you reference, I have never seen one myself, but I do know that in the training TTI trainers will explain what to keep an eye out for to help ensure that you aren’t being scammed by people trying to imitate this business. If you had researched this business like you say you have, this should be pretty clear to you, but obviously, that's not the case. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1423 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Again these are not my lies this is what has been told to me by the RCMP themselves and a source unconnected to the RCMP. I did not say this was fact. I merely asked if you knew anything about it. You as always, are the liar. And I was on “W5” and you don’t get there by lying about information that can be easily checked. Remember readers, this is an anonymous “KKK” masked styled coward. Could be the criminal Kippax himself. Again you are very clever at avoiding the question and the truth. I think we all know TTI has not been closed down by the RCMP. The question is,.... was anyone signed up as TTI distributors photo copying TTI material omitting the serial numbers and was that particular group closed down by the RCMP. Now anyone contemplating joining this business should by now have a strong indication of the clever twisting of everything by these people. Would you really want to trust your investment to people who refuse to give simple straightforward honest answers? dave Here to expose the truth and an illegal corrupt company scamming students, seniors, ethnic groups, single parents, financial desperate, and the financially unsophisticated. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 136 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
"I think we all know TTI has not been closed down by the RCMP." What?! So why the heck are you asking about it if you know it wasn't closed down by the RCMP. Perhaps you should give us the names of your multiple personalities so that I know who I should be addressing each response to. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1424 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Man something bothering you "B.S._TRUTH" to be spending your valuable time firing out these posts faster than I can answer them. As I said folks, these pyramid scammers will keep at an individual who attempts to uncover their frauds even have a women arrested and jailed on false charges, and get their cop friends to intimidate people to lie. It's a serious problem recognized by law enforcement around the world. The only way to counter this is to speak out in mass. Call the police, mp's, mpp's Industry Canada and tell them you what pyramid frauds out of your country. dave | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1425 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Again you tricky liar, I didn't ask if you have seen one of these boards. I asked if you have any knowledege of these allegations that people in Alberta were copying TTI material and leaving off the serial numbers and were investigated and closed down by the RCMP. Again simple. It will be interesting to see how many ways you can continue to lie, throw up "smoke screens" and duck this simple question. dave | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1427 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
And again your attempts at word twisting then the "multiple personality" ploy from your bag of tricks based on again you own “strawman” B.S. What have you got left in that bag??? I was obviously referring to a local group of TTI captains in Alberta not the World Headquarters Mississauga in your stupid “strawman substitute” If TTI were closed down my job with respect to TTI would be done. Now, Isn't it about time to regurgitate some more about both my wives, the cook, the "bull horn" etc., ect., to avoid answering a few simple questions about TTI's operations??? That a "perfectly legal" company would keep a venomous liar continuing his B.S. like this for over a year is indicative, at the very least” to the ethics of this so-called “perfectly legal” company. But then this anonymous criminal coward could be crook Kippax himself. Is it you Al? After a year it would be interesting to know what I have been jousting with. dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 140 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
"Isn't it about time to regurgitate some more about both my wives, the cook, the "bull horn" etc" Alright, if you insist, still not sure what any of it has to do with all this, but here goes... So, how are your wives doing by the way? Ooops...I mean EX-wives. Well, at least we know one of them is eating well, considering they ran off with a gorgeous cook. As for the other, well considering she's no longer with a crazy man, she's probably enjoying life a lot more too. But what do you care right? I mean, you’ve got your bullhorn to cuddle with and Mr. bullhorn would definitely never leave your side…except of course until you start cursing with it in public again. You must have been very lonely for those 90 days without your bullhorn buddy!  God bless | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1458 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
As you can clearly see this liar "B.S._TRUTH" refuses to give a straight answer to a staight forward question. Has he any knowledge of TTI distributors potocopying TTI material leaving off serials#'s which was investigated by RCMP and closed down?" simple; and he sqirms like snake to avoid a simple answer. Readers, Call Phone Busters 1-888-495-8501 Contrary to these insistent, relentless liars and their pawn Bruce Audley, Phone Busters has said straight out, Treasure Traders International is a pyramid fraud do not get involved. They are receiving numerous calls. I repeat. You are disgusting liars "B.S._TRUTH" "BMBS_VOICE" and the rest of you, leading people into this fraud. No government agency has officially said TTI is legal. That is an outright outrageous lie!!! TTI has been officially acknowledged as ILLEGAL. RCMP are investigating. But the recent revelations of political corruption at all levels of government should give readers cause to wonder and ask questions about "just what is going on here." You must call and/or email the media, police and your politicians and demand something be done. Thousands doing that simple thing they cannot ignore. Tell others. dave gatoraid@sympatico.ca P.S. “WMMW” and readers, these pyramid freaks won’t be going anywhere near the U.S. the message is finally getting through. The attorneys general of the U.S. are P.O. with these frauds. This same sick fraud below is TTI - different name- but, fraud by any other name is fraud. "Jeffrey A. Augugliaro, of Malverne, N.Y., is accused of setting up a fraudulent business called "People Helping People" to solicit donations for the "American Cancer Aid Foundation" and telling donors they would receive free airline tickets, A cancer patient hoping to use the tickets to fly to a hospital for treatment was among thousands of people duped through the sites, according to Spitzer. http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=172302868 This is the huge sickening problem of pyramid fraud, “Great I AM” Bruce Audley, you “over educated immature highschool debating snob” You debate with your flowery, semantic twisting B.S. while the real world gets hurt. With your skills you could have done so much months ago to help stop this!!! This link below is en example of people with integrity and “guts” (that’s intestinal fortitude for the “sliver spoon fed” flowery snob) This is what a news media should be!!! Read this it is TTI all over. The same obvious 5 RED FLAGS of a fraudulent pyramid scams. http://www.laraza.com/news.php?nid=27021 (Message edited by gatordave on October 22, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 157 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
It appears that Dave’s claims are nothing more than fiction comparable to stories of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. It looks like Phonebusters has not found TTI to be illegal as Dave claims. So as it continues to follow all laws, TTI will still be operating legally. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1501 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Phone Busters has stated that "Treasure Traders International is a pyramid fraud do not get involved." I believe no one in these agencies has stated TTI is legal. NO ONE! You have, I believe, shown yourself to be a liar. If not, post clearly, unequivocally, and unambiguously and on record, as I have, what government agency, individual, or police department has stated Treasure Traders International is “is perfectly” legal. Simple! Here is another “busted” product masked pyramid scam. http://www.gatewaynewspapers.com/coraopolis-moonrecord/54127/ PRODUCT does not, a pyramid scam make legal! And that again is the “Real_Truth” p.s. These are not "Dave's Stories" they are simply and obviously just posted by dave... FYI. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 171 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
“PRODUCT does not, a pyramid scam make legal!” Nor does a specific compensation structure make a business illegal. If it were illegal “post clearly, unequivocally, and unambiguously and on record," which law has been violated. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1512 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
At this point, that is not the issue. I was told more than once by people in official government agencies, Treasure Traders International is an illegal pyramid scheme. You claim people in these same organizations are stating TTI is legal. I say you are a liar. The issue here is, if that is not so, specifically name the branch of the police, an employee speaking officially for any government, agencies or individuals of authority who have stated TTI is legal!!! (the individuals name if possible) Again a simple question. dave. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 180 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Still legal. God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 192 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
“At this point, that is not the issue.” At this point, this is exactly the issue. If a business does not violate any laws, it clearly is deemed as legal. It’s obvious you’ve managed to skew anything that has been told to you that doesn’t support your senseless beliefs. For months you’ve called participants in this business a liar, yet you manage to spread lies about the facts of how this business runs. You tell us that the $1200 paid is not a result of the sale when clearly the receipt states verbatim “Option 3 – Redeem Cert. with no further payments and receive $1,200 retail value of gemstones”. Any supporting evidence that you’ve brought forward to defend the concept that this business is illegal has successfully been proven incorrect many times over on this very forum. Face it…you just don’t get it, no matter how hard you try. All government agencies continue to allow this business to run regardless of your claims. I mean, the RCMP, police, Industry Canada, etc…all have access to see the locations of the various Fleetports across the 2 countries…so why isn’t any action being taken if it is illegal like you say they claim. Why is there no info on any government sites telling us this has been found to be an illegal pyramid fraud? Why are you the only person that has been told that this is illegal while everyone else has been told everything but that? Is this really a government cover-up or could it be that it is in fact perfectly legal? We’ll let the readers decide! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1526 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Again avoiding the question." The point is, you were telling readers the police and government officials have stated TTI is legal. That's the big lie. You are unable to produce one agency nor individual that has stated TTI is legal contrary to such claims. That is what all pyramids have in common. i.e.. When "buying a diamond".... "Endorsed by the Ontario Management Board of Cabinet. This is a government entity set up to oversee, review, endorse and, or refute companies in the private sector. It sets up standards by which companies are measured. The review, led by a Government-level attorney investigates the companies business plan, management and structure, financials, etc. To pass the review and receive a Queen's Counselor endorsement is a powerful statement as to the viability and credibility of the company in question." Do you people work out of the same office? Now, what individual, or agencey stated TTI was legal as you claim. Without that, you are a liar. | ||
| voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason) New member Username: voice_of_reason Post Number: 22 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.158.67.46 |
The OPP fraud unit told me this EXACTLY, "TTI is no longer under investigation, therefore they must be legal." This was a female officer, I did not ask her name, I really didn't care what it was. She confirmed what others had told me. Now Dave, the LIAR here is you. You are also a hypocrite. You blast phone busters, then, when someone from there tells you what you want to hear, they are the best organization ever! Hah!. Also, they are not an "Official Government Agency", so even if a person there agreed with your lies, it is not an "Official Government Agency saying TTI is Illegal." Phonebusters is a private organization that collects tips from the public, and passes that information on to the RCMP, OPP and the Competition Bureau. That is it. If the RCMP fraud division, or the Competition Bureau comes out with a statement that TTI is illegal, then that would be OFFICIAL! They have not in 2 years of this company running openly. IF TTI was such a blatant scam as you accuse it to be, I don't care how slow these agencies are, they would not allow it to continue. Your pathetic accusations that they are slow moving because there are cops, lawyers and government officials involved in TTI is PURE speculation and hearsay. Dave, I realize you are desperate to prove you are innocent from all your wrongdoings in your past, but the only thing you are accomplishing here is to make yourself look even more guilty. I honestly, truly pray you find some peace in your life. It must be a horrible existence to live every day with such rage and hatred. Also, why do you people find it necessary to post the same message on 10 different threads? Stick to one, and it may be easier for people to follow along. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1540 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Man what an obvious exaggerating fact twisting jerk. Regardless if it was said, the statement by this OPP officer is itself ridiculous. Many people who were “no longer under investigation” were ultimately found later to be the actual murders (like in Paul Bernardo). But TTI IS under investigation by the RCMP. Now, I don’t doubt some female OPP officer said exactly that, if in fact it was ever under official investigation by the OPP which my information is that it wasn’t. The OPP have always maintained it is up to Industry Canada and refused my requests to open an investigation. In fact informed me it was up to local police if it is a pyramid under the CCC. Now, I wonder if you let this officer know, that information you have, is that TTI is under investigation by the RCMP who have not yet made an official determination as to the legality of TTI. Also a product, as anyone who knows anything about pyramid fraud, as in any business obviously does not make an otherwise illegal activity legal. In fact the very product can be illegal... i.e. “knock off goods.” What it has done, as "BNBS_VOICE" well knows, is confuse the issue of the jurisdiction of the matter, and since no one seems to want to deal with the issue of TTI, makes it easy to “pass the buck.” However as things stand, the RCMP through industry Canada are the only ones officially investigating TTI to my knowledge, so this female officer, and any other OPP with the same conclusion in my view, are simply talking through their little brown pointed hats.” Until they conduct an official investigation. And this..... Where did I state under any circumstances whatsoever that “Phone Busters are the best organization ever!”... What a word twisting, confounded..... LIAR. Phone Busters for the record, is in my view, an impotent .... (that’s impotent,... not important for- “skip readers”) fact gathering organization that citizens cannot get a straight official answer from regarding a specific company or crime except through a “slip” or whatever from a “phone jockey.” You can’t even get a straight answer as to how Phone Busters is run. Basically they “nose around” to find out what scams are out there, report it to the RCMP and OPP who then decide which ones they will selectively prosecute (not necessarily the biggest and worst) giving the impression of “law enforcement” but in reality, suppressing the scams the police and politicians find lucrative, and are making millions from with their involvement. (classic proven example “Women Empowering Women.”) Cops, politicians, lawyers, etc., etc. Lest we forget. Then consider the vast number of police officers arrested in Toronto for working with organized criminals intimidating bar owners, stealing money through fraud and extortion, drug and weapons offenses themselves, the protection of criminals involved in crime and other corruption, then reconsider the record of the president of TTI (weapons, drugs and assault)..... then ponder just how far “off the mark” my pathetic allegations, in truth, really are. Especially since I can name and prove politicians who received 10's of thousands through the indictable offence of fraud carrying with it a penalty of 2 years and huge fines. Then consider the corrupt OPP who investigated then covered up for them. Then consider the 100's of thousands even millions of dollars involved, then ponder how all that money was split up. Then consider why the thousands upon thousands of women scammed for $5000 each did not speak out in Canada, about being scammed. Then you might begin to understand the enormity and gravity of “white collar” crime and the influence on our police, law enforcement agencies, the Attorney General and the rest of the the government and even the judiciary itself in this “great” country, Canada.. Now readers, does that knowledge and my tenacity leave any doubt in any reader’s mind why the police would pull me over outside of town and point a revolver in my face and on another occasions threaten me and “railroad me” into court on false charges and perjured evidence? Just look what this LIAR “VOICE_OF_TREASON” is doing here. Image if he had the power of the “blue uniform” or the “red one” for that matter, a gun, and the credibility to get away with lying in a court of law..... Sit back and ponder that scenario for a moment, readers. Then consider the words of a Brampton Judge on a false charge by a corrupt cop..... “He deliberately set the judicial system in motion against an innocent man,” Wilkie said. “Had it not been for the videotape, the defendant (Preston) may have been successful.” ..... Unfortunately I did not have a video tape and eventually, after many attempts at getting me convicted, two of which made it to court, but successfully defeated, police finally got two of their “trump up” charges to “stick” using their perjured evidence and perjured evidence coerced from civilians in front of prejudice judges, one of who’s bizarre actions inside and outside the courtroom, have already been condemned by a Superior Court Judge, and he is now under judicial review. So, back to “Phone Busters”. This almost useless organization “Phone Busters.”.... it would appear is not supposed to inform the public of identifiable scams, unlike Australia where a citizen asks a straightforward question.... “Is Departure Central” a legitimate business?”..... the answer is a resounding, unequivocal no! It is a pyramid scam! Now Isn’t that simple for the citizens of Australia???.... (Bermuda and the U.S. also do that). In comparison, here in Ontario fully armed Peel Regional Police stood right outside the door “guarding” the same scam, “Departure Central,” at the International Center Dec 04 04 with international criminals there, from as far as South Carolina, the police presence thereby giving this scam an official “air of legitimacy.”........ Like “hey man, if this was an illegal scam the police would be â€busting it' not standing right outside the door guarding it!!! So, therefore it is “perfectly legal.”.... Interesting though, liars and hypocrites on the pro TTI side, themselves agree, “Departure Central” (with product) is a scam. Interesting indeed! Now, what else is this LIAR and hypocrite “VOICE_OF_TREASON”on about it. Oh ya!! "Phone Busters is not an official government agency....." Of course it isn’t. Though all the people I surveyed were surprised.... believing it is. Believing it is part of the police services. Then the “BS_VOICE_OF_TREASON” writes..... “so even if a person there [Phone Busters] agreed with your lies.... etc"......What lies? you fact twisting LIAR...... I simply asked.. “What can you tell me about TTI.” Period. I wanted to know what would be told an ordinary citizen. This particular “phone jockey” replied “TTI is an illegal pyramid scam don’t get involved.” Simple. But he is only one of three or four who have stated that. Others will tell you nothing. I’m not saying that’s official either. However, in the beginning “phone jockeys” for Industry Canada, an official Government Agency said the same thing. The latest RCMP officer, when I explained TTI said, "these pyramids are illegal." That’s what he said. But, he is not one of the official RCMP investigating the case either. O.K. ..... So, his answer is not the official definitive conclusion on TTI either, but it is interesting. You no doubt withheld the fact TTI is under investigation by the RCMP to solicit the favourable response you received from the female OPP officer. Sort of like lying by omission. A lot of that is done at TTI. Now, I believe I can demonstrate that the big difference between me and this BSing LIAR.. “VOICE_OF_TREASON.” is that I am explaining to you, readers the facts as I find them and my reasonable conclusions and opinions based on those facts. This, on the other hand, is the B.S. you get from TTI..... “We have lawyers on the commission in the government that regulate this Industry.” ABSOLUTE “BRAINWASHING”LIE. “We have been found by police to be “perfectly legal.” LIE!!! Possibly TTI have individual police officer’s opinions TTI is legal, especially those reportedly making thousands in TTI (their participation admitted by TTI and their distributors.) Now, what cop making money on a scam is going to say the scam is anything but “perfectly legal”;... that, one might, in common sense consider??? ".....gemstones you see here appraised at $1000 sell in retail stores for $1500. (50% more than appraised). LIE!!! Everyone has an equal opportunity for Financial Freedom.” ABSOLUTE LIE!!! On and on and on. The truth is, if you get in early you will make money off your recruits once, or a few times if they make money off their recruits before the “pools dry up”. Far less than 1% will ever achieve Financial Freedom. That less than 1% is reserved for Kippax and his small band of the “inner circle.” The last “investors” will pay for all those above, and will have a worthless piece of paper or near worthless gemstones to show for their efforts ($45 for appraised TTI $1350 emeralds). And this scamming “brainwashing” LIAR the “BS_VOICE_OF_TREASON” knows that. What he doesn’t want is the youth, students, seniors, ethnic groups, the financially unsophisticated, and everyone they intend to scam to understand that as well. Only those “few at the top.” Now, what else is this BS-ing “VOICE_OF_TREASON” trying to “brainwash” the world with. .... well there’s this “worn out winy record” .... “IF TTI was such a blatant scam as you accuse it to be, I don't care how slow these agencies are, they would not allow it to continue.” What provable B.S. Women Empowering Women was probably the most blatant pyramid scam in the entire world started in Toronto Canada. It operated far far longer than TTI..... Police relatives, politicians, lawyers etc., were actually involved in it. Therefore these agencies had first hand information of the operation of this BLATANT scam that eventually saw an extremely few convicted. But, convictions nonetheless. No lawyers, sitting politicians, cop’s or relatives of cops were charged or convicted, but “selective”convictions nonetheless, ultimately confirming the BLATANT scam was in fact illegal from the very first meeting. Not from the “finding of guilt.”.. That scam did not per se have lawyers and accountants representing, defending and protecting it, slowing down the investigation as has TTI. Nor was it masked, albeit thinly, by a product like TTI allowing willing “foot-dragging” by authorities, and an excuse to “hang their hats on”. So, don’t keep giving us the B.S. winy, psychological “brainwashing” broken record .... “if the government and police [corrupt government and police that is] don’t do anything about this blatant TTI scam, that means it’s “perfectly legal.” It was the case with “WEW” and is the case with all the other scams and drug dealing and gun dealing, threatening etc., and association with organized crime by ordinary citizens and police officers and government officials etc. Just because the police ignore it, or their excuse, “they don’t have the time or resources to deal with it” does not make any of these crimes “perfectly legal.” The huge “PIPS” fraud took something like 5 years to “close down” and only after a citizens’ groups, such as we are attempting to put together, went after a Malaysian bank and the Malaysian authorities. Nothing could be clearer. The lack of law enforcement does not make a criminal activity legal. Now, It will surely require far more than the purported Chinese levitation of two feet meationed on the other thread to clear this pile of TTI B.S. let alone to be free of the smell of it. Then the “B.S._VOICE” makes a big deal of hearsay. I was there at the meetings. I saw and heard a retired OPP officer, Chuck Dewar, also identify himself as an accountant and another person who identified themselves as a agent of the CRA (Customs and Revenue Agency). What is this B.S. LIAR telling readers now...... TTI stacks its motivational meeting with liars pretending to be in these positions and we should not believe them? Remember it is PRO TTI people on this forum bragging about a 16 year old, a London Judge, prison guards, lawyers, accounts yes even police officers that are TTI “distributors.” I took them at their word. I even found a highschool student in Oakville who verified making considerable money on TTI. Now “B.S._VOICE”, when it suits him, wants us to doubt the truth of TTI’s own distributors. Even treat his own words he wrote as unreliable hearsay..... And he has the nerve to banter around the label “schizophrenic.” He is the one displaying the symptoms of schizophrenia. So readers, you make up your own minds the facts are here. It is that simple! Wouldn’t you say though readers, on the basis of the facts, that this BS-ing “brainwashing’ jerk has pretty well shot any possible perceived credibility me may have had? Now what is true of course as “VOICE” put’s it. “I realize you are desperate to prove you are innocent from all your [alleged] wrongdoings in your past.” Is their anyone who wouldn’t be.... I ask???. ..... then this...“but the only thing you are accomplishing here is to make yourself look even more guilty.” I don’t think that’s true. That’s the job the PRO TTI “lynch mob” took on with their fact twisting, innuendo, filthy gossip, ridicule and outright lies and BS;... “BS_VOICE” as much or more than anyone, to the point where it requires multiples of that “Chinese levitation” to prevent drowning in the stuff or asphyxiation from the gas. Now, my purpose is to shut down pyramid fraud and “white collar crime” in this country so what happened to thousands of scammed victims won’t happened to more, and what happened to my family and my community will not happen to thousands more. And what happened to an Oakville woman “whistle blower” and myself, won’t happen to another who attempts to retrieve someone else’s money and expose pyramid fraud and other crime. My story is only a affirmation explaining the problem of “white collar crime” and the horrible results of “white collar” crime, and posted as I was invited to do, by the owner of this site. It was TTI sicko jerks that “made a meal of it” and attempted to change the original agenda from the first anonymous posting, to an infomercial for TTI. Now are you all mixed up, “VOICE_OF_TREASON” or just BS-ing again and trying to “brainwash” those that don’t have the time to expose your LIES. This we get from the lying “BS_TRUTH”aimed at me ....."It?s obvious you?ve managed to skew anything that has been told to you that doesn?t support your senseless beliefs. For months you?ve called participants in this business a liar, yet you manage to spread lies about the facts of how this business runs. You tell us that the $1200 paid is not a result of the sale when clearly the receipt states verbatim ?Option 3 ? Redeem Cert. with no further payments and receive $1,200 retail value of gemstones?....... What a load of double-talking “brainwashing” crap. Is that $1200 retail “worth” (50% more then the appraised value as the VP was “brainwashing with) or $1200 appraised” value “worth.” I was told when you cash in your certificate you must pay 15% addition tax on $1200 and you will receive only $1200 “appraised value" loose gemstones (no 36% discount). Now, there is some serious BS-ing going here between you two “brainwashing” slick sick gangsters "BMBS_VOICE" and "BS_TRUTH"! November 05 /04 from “WHITEPHOENIX” who’s brother was coned by his uncle. "He can take his $1200 cert to the head office and for an additional $180 taxes...shipping or whatever it is they're calling it now he can recieve the value of $1200 in emeralds in a plastic baggie type thingy with no certification of value from the infamous Steve Knight. November 04 /04 @ 6:27 p.m. From “BS-ing LIAR and hypocrite “VOICE_OF_TREASON” we get this.... “Mr. Thornton....... TTI is a legitimate business, with a legitimate product. Your $1200 gets you exactly $1200 worth of appraised emeralds (Plus PST & GST). If you like, you can purchase an additional $3800 worth of emeralds($5000 - $1200) by putting down an additional $600 (plus PST & GST). This is the wholesale side of the business. The way I see it “VOICE_OF_TREASON” you’re both full of “B.S..... Like some little kids you lie and lie and lie forgetting today, the lies you told yesterday. And then this across the face with the “velvet glove” .... “I honestly, truly pray you find some peace in your life. It must be a horrible existence to live every day with such rage and hatred. Now, unless you’ve had a “divine conversion” “BS_VOICE” you are definitely a lying hypocrite or suffering a bout of schizophrenia that you accuse others of. This is certainly inconsistent with your previous prayers and wishes in which you espoused...... “prison guards and police have kicked the •••• out of you on a few occasions. You deserved it. You are a disgusting, vile pig, up there with the likes of Robert Picton, and Paul Barnardo”.... and this describing what would be done in other countries ... “people like you would be put in their proper place without a second thought.” sounds like in jail without a trial, or just lynched. Slaves were put “in their proper place” without a “second thought.” that what lynch mobs do, eliminates victims without a second thought. That’s bigots. They do things without a second thought. That’s why they’re called “narrow minded”; they only have one thought. As you say not even a second one. Take a real good look in that mirror you were telling me about. I, truly and honestly pray you might “get it yet.” Unlike your sad “brainwashed” decent victims who only need to understand the truth, you know the truth and understand your ILLEGAL scam and what a crook and gangster you really are. What I truly pray for is a conversion from a gangster to a decent person willing to admit what he already knows; that what he is doing is illegal and morally wrong. And again I ask readers wouldn’t you agree, on the bases of the facts, that both these BS-ing “brainwashing” jerks have pretty well shot any possible perceived credibility they may have ever had??? dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 199 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Regardless of how long and boring you feel like writing, the fact of the matter still remains that a gemstone sales must still be created to earn commission, thus this business still continues to operate legally. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1543 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
It has nothing to do with gemstones as victims and successful crooks in your organization alike will tell you. You are offering a pyramid scheme where recruits, recruit others. The gemstones are totally optional as you point out in your posting. You’re a LIAR. One on hand you write that tax is included when you go to pick up $1200 in appraised crap. And yet it is clearly posted that 15% additional taxes must be paid. Those at the top are paid with the money from new recrutes. This filth is now in highschools. I went to a lecture at the University of Toronto last week. Talking to students I was told it is all over York University Campus. Have you people no conscience. And simply because you have involved corrupt cops, lawyers, accountants, politicians, and at least one judge and they refuse to enforce the laws until their pockets are full with ordinary citizens money again who “pay the price” like Women Empowering Women” does not make your hideous theft by fraud legal. And today we witness the Gormery inquiry and the corrupt politicians there. You unconscionable bastards. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 203 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Since you seem to have problems processing the obvious facts, we’ll just have to leave it up to the readers to decide which of us is telling the truth. I know for a fact that one can trade the certificate for gemstones without adding additional money, thus creating a sale which each $1200 payment, but you obviously don’t believe me and you continue labeling this business as illegal. Considering you are unwilling to provide our audience with truthful facts, we’ll just have to leave it up to them to research it a bit more and see if they can actually receive $1200 worth of gemstones without adding a single cent. It won’t be long before the audience confirms which of us is the lying unconscionable baztard. Deal? (or are you too afraid to be exposed once again as a liar). Poor old man, when will you ever learn? God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1549 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
For months you have been calling me a liar as I described the business operations of TTI. These lies have nothing to do with me these are the lies of TTI. The “BM_BS_VOICE_OF_REASON” wrote “you can trade your deposit receipt certificate for $1200 retail worth of gemstones. TTI pays the taxes on this.” A straightforward statement. However, at the meeting I attended, and every person ripped of by TII has stated “sales tax is in addition to the $1200." (In Ontario $180) Now, “BM_BS_VOICE_OF_REASON” is on record months ago (Nov 04 /04) as stating “Your $1200 gets you exactly $1200 worth of appraised emeralds (Plus PST & GST). Now you lying “BS_TRUTH” some one is lying and it is not me. You write “I know for a fact that one can trade the certificate for gemstones without adding additional money." That’s obviously your contradictions not my lies. You are a LIAR and a twister of the truth and this is only the tip of it. And that's the truth dave p.s. I have no problem processing obvious facts, but these facts are obviously skewed and contradictory. (Message edited by gatordave on November 02, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 204 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
And “voice” was also correct in what he said…I assume you haven’t seen option 2 on the receipt certificate yet either? So, it’s obvious you have not done your research (yet you still have the nerve to label others liars)…heck, you’ve barely even touched the surface of what this business is about because the only thing you can see through your narrow looking glass is the similarity of the commission structure to that of a pyramid that you blame for the loss of your wife. Of course, we’ll let our audience do some real research for themselves, because you’re obviously of no help whatsoever. I just hope nobody else gets suckered into sending a broke old internet panhandler like you any more money. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1550 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The point is, all of it is contradictory. Your whole business is "smoke and mirrors" and you are now infecting highschools and universities. So, it was lies then or it is lies now. Not mine, yours at TTI. Perhaps you can explain this email I have just received. Perhaps you would like to "come out of the closest" LIAR. Looks like others know you, or certainly because you must "come off" like "THE MAN." at the top himself. Hello, I've recently come across www.factnet.org, and I've seen some serious correspondence between yourself and this person "the_truth". Comments that you've made cause me to believe that "the_truth" is Alan Kippax himself. Is that true? I am not in any way associated with TTI, and would never be involved in anything related to that man. I'm just wanting to verify, if in fact, those messages on the board are from him. I thought perhaps you'd be able to tell me, just so that I can see what sort of vomit he actually spews. Thank you. | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 200 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Dave" - But this remains an unanswerable question, doesn't it? This forum is based on anonymity Dave. Anyone reading this forum is probably well aware by now that there are only two (2) posters that post under their real names. You and I made that decision personally because we felt it would strengthen our arguments plus, as we have nothing to hide there is no need to be anonymous. Asking any poster to sacrifice their choice of anonymity for the sake of someone's perception at justice, is not what a public forum like this is about. "Outing" someone (sorry to steal that phraseology from the homosexual movement but it kind of fits here) or demanding that they be "outed", simply ain't good for nobody! But I could ask this question of your own poster's question. If "the_truth" is Alan Kippax, Paul Martin or Santa Clause, does it make any difference to anyone? I'm just wondering because if that is the case, should we not all go back in time and re-read all of the postings from all of the contributors and start to add and subtract weight, based on nothing greater then the suspected merits of their hidden identities? Bruce Audley | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1553 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Bruce. It's supposed to be a free country. This person, as all of us, has a right to question or speculate even if they themselves wish to remain anonymous. I don’t know who you really think you are other than “I Am the Great Bruce Audley” who seems to believe me and my family are more important then the less educated and entitled to more secret government information than you regular Canadians. Now why is this ridiculous blustering argument over anonymity more important in your view than the lies, and misleading statements we have been fed especially by these two liars you constantly “jump” to defend. Why is the subject of questioning anonymity so much more important to you than the exposure of the lies your friends are telling. And again don’t give us the BS that you are Anti TTI when you have made it clear over and over that they should be allowed to conduct this pyramid fraud, aka, “The business model of the new millenium-that-has-the-inherent-ability-to-give-everyone-on-the-planet-FINANCIAL FREEDOM-scheme.” So, once again we have the “Great I Am Bruce Audley” all full of himself telling everyone else what the laws, rules and intent are even on this forum. This forum isn’t "BASED on anonymity. It wasn’t intended for onymous snipers to liable a person with lies about court orders that don’t exist and lies about events that never happened. That is why I post completely un-anonymously. I respect the intent of this forum and am responsible for what I write and allow myself to be subjected to legal action if it is false. In my view, Bruce Audley, you have a skewed vision of the laws, rules, individual rights, and our very democracy itself. This forum in no way is based on, nor designed to encourage anonymity, quite the opposite, and nor does it encourage making up lies against people. It encourage posters to take responsibility for they're postings, quit the opposite to the perception Bruce Audley is attempting to again mislead and “brainwash” readers, using his “perceived credibility” as the person with the equally anonymous government contacts. Since you now have brought up the P.M. of Canada, of course, Bruce, it would make a huge difference if Prime Minister Paul Martin with the power of government lawyers and bureaucrats were the “BS_TRUTH” trying to brainwash Canadians and the rest of the world to accept the pyramid fraud as legal and spewing (if I can borrow a phrase) the vomit of “BS_TRUTH.” Or perhaps you would see nothing wrong with our Prime Minister doing that or perhaps with his credibility joining TTI and spreading a scheme, you described yourself as, “the "old as time itself" pyramid structure.......that “only benefits by feeding off the continual fuelling of its down-line investors.... “And yes, if that means they will eat their young if necessary, SO BE IT!!” ...... And what??? you don’t believe, Bruce, every Canadian should have the right to know, question or attempt by questions or other means to find out if, “BS_TRUTH”, is the PM, and every news media and every person in Canada, the U.K. and the world the right to ask is this anonymous poster “BS_TRUTH” our Prime Minister if there was some reason to suspect he was? Or a RCMP officer who might be a TTI distributor, or a slick lawyer, or a government official also a TTI distributor or Kippax himself. You see it’s clear to me, and that's my view, that you think people with lots of money, better educations and contacts in the police and government should be privy to information that us “lessor” Canadians should not even be able to ask questions about without the constant chastising of the “Great “I AM” Bruce Audley” Now, again what does this forum Bruce Audley doesn’t own, truthfully say about anonymity..... It states ......... "No, really, I want to post anonymously":With a bit of effort, this is possible. Kinda. But you have to ask yourself whether this is necessary. After all, if you break any laws, your posts will either be deleted and/or you will have the law itself after you. Our advice is that you should not post anything that you are not willing to stand by and swear to.” Now, that impressed me when I signed up, and that is why I told my story of what a cult like “brainwashing” scam did to my town and how many, if not most of the scammers who escaped prosecution and detection jumped on the “clone” of that scam. This does not sound to me like a forum that is BASED UPON ANONYMITY or one that encourages posters to anonymously “snipe” with lies hiding behind anonymity. Again the “Great I AM” Bruce Audley is attempting to create, live, and “brainwash” others into a perception rather than the truth. And of course he attempts to do that with “soft soap” and persuasive rhetoric. And if I can paraphrase, it was these Pro TTI “B.S._TRUTH” “BMBS_VOICE_OF_TREASON” and even the TTI idiot “MAKE_7000" who “huffed” and “puffed” that they did not sign up people who could not afford to lose $1800 and single moms, students and seniors and the financially desperate. Those blustering three of course set themselves up as the exceptions (if they are) trying to prove a rule, but of course at the same time caring less of the “chain reaction” of those down the line who will do just that. And “Benedict” Audley ran to their side to bolster that claim by “poo whooing” that these ordinary good people were not targeting those venerable in our society with TTI. But what is the rule, or the true thrust of the TTI program. I posted it. No comment from Bruce Audley on that. Instead he blusters about something totally irrelevant to “draw fire” away from the enemy he collaborates with. Like a true “Benedict Arnold”. TTI could have no better advocate then the one who “sold out the side he pretended to support.” Again this is TTI. This is their Website.... “Who joins TTI? The people who join Treasure Traders International come from all age groups, economic groups, and professional backgrounds. There is something at TTI for absolutely everyone. Whether you are struggling to make ends meet,[that’s the financially desperate Bruce I was writing about months ago] or have already experienced a high level of financial success, the TTI opportunity will enrich your life and advance your dreams. The TTI family of distributors includes teachers, lawyers, trades people, celebrities, stay at home parents, [like the single mother who ends up with a useless non saleable, non edible, $45 piece of junk if she was naive enough to spend hundreds more] grandparents, [those are the seniors I was complaining about Bruce being targeted on mass at the London Ont meeting by the retired OPP Officer Chuck Dewar] new entrepreneurs and successful business people who have all recognized that TTI is a great way to do business. http://www.treasuretradersinternational.com/faq.asp It is you Bruce who wrote May 23 /05 “Add to that almost unimaginable reality, the "old as time itself" pyramid structure that must have new recruits in order that the current investors can receive their financial due. And from where I sit my new posting friend, that is more than scary. That is insane!!!!”....... I agree Bruce. It is insane!!!! And this is what also makes it illegal supported by Canadian law on pyramid fraud when you bother reading it. A cheap gemstone added as an option does not make all that insanity, instantly legal. How do you think convictions in Canada in pyramid frauds involving products from houses to hockey sticks (in the police dept., out your way no less) are being obtained if product makes the “old as time itself” pyramid structure “perfectly legal” as you maintain? You also wrote this ....... “Not so much scary as it is "telling?". "Treasure Traders International Company" only benefits by feeding off the continual fuelling of its down-line investors. Without new blood, there is no "T.T.I.Co.". And yes, if that means they will eat their young if necessary, SO BE IT!!” That very statement also makes TTI illegal. Have you studied no law at all on the subject or do you still maintain that your modicum of research and you secret friend or friends in the government is all the Great “I Am” Bruce Audley requires to declare to the world “TTI is “Perfectly Legal.” You also wrote this ........ “Personally, I would find it very difficult to sit idly by while a loved one ponys up $1,200.00 of their hard earned cash, to purchase something that is 85% cheaper on "E-Bay". Must just be me I guess. I know, I know! "T.T.I.Co." is signing em' up hot and heavy. Just not something that I could do though.” But it’s ok to sit idly by and watch TTI do this to others less educated, less sophisticated, less knowledgeable, etc. As I wrote before as long as your family is aware and safe the rest should be allowed to become “shark food for your friends at TTI. If you can open your mind just a crack Bruce, you may see that attitude brings one down to the level of a sewer rat. It only cares about it own young. A sewer rat doesn’t care what happens to another rat families in fact will eat them if given a chance, or sometimes it’s own. So, maybe the problem is, you just can’t understand or believe that I, and I hope our supporters truly care and feel the same about other families as you do, for just your own loved ones. That young woman I did not even know in my town frightened and crying on the phone because she was ripped off for $3,500 and afraid to tell anyone or even ask my wife or the politician who ultimately received her $3,500 to give it back for her kids, ripped my heart out. And it ripped my heart out that a lawyer, his wife police and politicians involved my wife and ultimately coerced her to lie to save the town of Kincardine from exposure. And these greedy, greedy financially secure individuals refused to give that single mother, her money back and the dirty scum Ontario Provincial Police in my town covered up, allowing these criminals to keep the money and go undetected even if it meant standing in a court of law committing perjury. So, I cannot help muse from down here, that someone in a position like you Bruce, would not want to chance upsetting a system like that, a system that protects people in your position. Now “BMBS_VOICE” and “BS_TRUTH” love to banter around schizophrenia. If it ever applied on this forum it would here with respect your postings. dave and that’s the truth. | ||
| capn_blythe (capn_blythe) New member Username: capn_blythe Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 213.106.85.232 |
I think Whoever "The Truth" is...Is going to evoke speculation as to their identity.... due to the fact that they seem to have an answer to everything.....even I can get a mere "Captain" of TTI reeling......but I guess we'll never know.......(but to be fair to Dave....I've seen the email.....and I think the writer recognises traits that He/She knows quite well) | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 201 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Dave" - And to think I didn't already know that stuff. Allow at least this one miniscule correction. I am not arguing from a false sense of entitlement rather; I am standing right next to you on the same level. If you are looking up somewhere trying to find "The Great Bruce Audley", I dare not hazard a guess as to what it is exactly that you think you see! Just a common schmo trying to get by with a couple of postings on a forum. Bruce Audley | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1555 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I think it's pretty obvious what I see. Considering I received emails pointing out the same vein of thought before I posted my own observations. And the problem like I said many times is you treat this issue, not as an issue but rather a "win-lose" debating contest of words. This is real life Bruce, with real people, real families and real communities being hurt badly. Like a politician you skirt the issues. You write “And to think I didn’t already know that stuff." What stuff? I raised several issues. A very important issue in your quote “the "old as time itself" pyramid structure.......that “only benefits by feeding off the continual fuelling of its down-line investors.... “And yes, if that means they will eat their young if necessary, SO BE IT!! That is the very thing which is illegal. Making money from later recruits who are also distributors. So, do you already know that stuff? That this is illegal? Or only that you made the statement. It must be obvious you would know your own statements. So, do you think I brought it up to see if you remembered it. I brought up to see if you could yet understand the legal significance of it. Again you have acknowledge there is no viable retail market for this over appraised junk. That is what the Competition Bureau is supposed to address. And if you listen closely to their “phone in” recording they are supposed to address unfair competition. It is certainly unfair competition to “brainwash” a 16 or 17 year old which TTI by their own written material targets, or anyone for that matter into believing there exists a retail market where this junk sells for 50% more than the over appraised TTI stated "value". Then while she “tears around” looking for that market TTI is selling the same junk to any person who asks for the same $25 sales kit at the same price. The "smart ones" know it's a recruiting pyramid scam (the obscured "wink wink"). Obviously the real victims (the ones believing it's a wholsale gemstone business) are being deliberately mislead in highly emotionally charged meetings with the likes of a retired OPP officer bragging how he made 10's of thousands of dollars. But if the truth be told, he made his money on the $1200 recruiting pyramid board "fees" not a retail market were he sold gemstones over and above the “wholesale price he paid for them.” And that is illegal! And if we dare to chance inadvertently giving an “air” of legitimacy by arguing TTI’s ridiculous broken record “it is a gem sale”, the question then arrises, how can “a retail gemstone salesperson” possibly realize a profit of $9600 (8x$1200) on an original $1200 “investment” in a touted “viable” retail gemstone business simply buying a product wholesale at $1200 from a distributor then selling the same product to another distributor for the same price of $1200? Where does the “profit” come from authorities should be asking??? The only answer as you yourself pointed out Bruce, is from future victims when the unsustainable pyramid collapses and the last pay the price. That is illegal!! Now, Bruce would you find it too difficult to admit to what I see in my opinion, is the obvious; that in your busy life without the time to throughly research the law on product masked pyramid frauds that maybe your original assessment based on common sense and simple observation, (like the child in the “Emperor and the Clothes”) that this pyramid is illegal; and that this conclusion you went to the Calgary meeting with, was in fact correct, but you were merely, as so many others, also mislead and confused by “sound bites” of information in an hour or so during that one afternoon in Calgary, especially if as you suggested you were having drinks in a strip joint. ....... Mislead by a program interpreted that afternoon by possibly a slick and bias government lawyer and who knows how many other people in the group either biassed or confused. (speculation since you don’t want to reveal your secret privileged sources).... an interpretation of a written but well oiled word twisting scam that extremely clever crooks, lawyers, accountants etc., took eight years to “flim-flam” you with in that hour or so that one afternoon in Calgary. dave I think the assessment of that Calgary afternoon plus or minus a few irrelevant semantics is the truth. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 205 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Although disclosing whether or not I am Alan Kippax may narrow down your search with regards to my identity, I suppose I’ll just provide you confirmation to simply expose the fact that you have ridiculously been jumping to conclusions, lacking any real evidence. So for the record, I am not Alan Kippax (sorry to burst your bubble). I think it’s clear at this point that you truly have no valid argument that supports the idea that this business is illegal. Once again, regardless of whatever it is you are rambling about, this network marketing business continues to sell gemstones legally. God bless. (Message edited by the_truth on November 04, 2005) | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1556 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
What's ridiculous? You could be anyone. And since Kippax does nothing about how his company is represented by distributors, the likes of you, and the rest, one might truly wonder. Now, It is impossible to make a retail sales profit of $9600 by purchasing 3 products at $1200 each, one for yourself then selling two at the same wholesale price of $1200 you paid for them, then waiting until others do the same. That is an illegal pyramid fraud obtaining illegal profits through gambling (or recuitment). Period. The rest of the "smoke and mirrors" is what it is. "Smoke and mirrors" and B.S. added "after the fact." And that's the truth. dave. | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 202 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Dave" - And you really thought that my Calgary "T.T.I.Co." presentation involved a lot of drinking at a strip club? Wow! Unlike an other poster that does not see this business as viable, I am the only person of which I am aware on this forum, that was willing and able to attend a "T.T.I.Co." presentation on behalf of a television consumer watch organization (C.F.C.N. - Calagry) and then to be immediately interviewed after the presentation. If there was a strip club involved, myself and the cameras missed it. The comment to which you refer was simply humour and while I appreciate that you have never developed a sense of humour, I know that everyone else got it! I'd tell you to lighten up Dave but I would have better luck asking for the sun to start rising in the west. As I have stated in past, The "Calgary C.F.C.N." (now a division of Global Network) piece was gutted because their legal department could provide absolutely no legal arguments on which to persue the question of "T.T.I.Co's" illegality. They were almost salivating at the prospect of breaking a story but, alas! They could not because their own lawyers could not find grounds to say that "T.T.I.Co." is operating illegally. Because of that simple reality, there was no real story for them other than the message that they opted for, "Buyer beware"! I am not without my own legal advice (what businessman today isn't) and I have been told the same thing. So we are back to the same old disagreement that you and I have. You desperately seem to need "The Great Bruce Audley", to stand up and say something is illegal, against all of the evidence that I have that tells me that I cannot in good conscience back up that claim. Your angry and caustic words are just not strong enough reason for me to shout something that I cannot prove. You are okay with that and I am thrilled for you. But guess what Dave? I am looking through my wallet and lo and behold, Bruce Audley is in charge of Bruce Audley's life and not David Thronton. I think I always knew that but perhaps you needed reminding. It is all so simple Dave isn't it? Dave says they are illegal and that should just about wrap it up for everybody. Trouble is, "T.T.I.Co." is flourishing and I just cannot help but wonder why they are not being shut down if they are not a legal entity? I understand your point that everyone in a position of power in Canada is either corrupt or in bed with one or all of the "T.T.I.Co." folks. But really Dave. That doesn't just smack of insane neuroticism, it also suggests a complete and utter disregard of our legal system. I know that you are now going to post more stories about all the wrongs you and all the other victims have suffered at the hands of the law however; it is not even close to being relevant to this issue. Each and every one of us is aware that there are inherent flaws in every legal system but, it is all that we have. You continue to believe that it is somehow my responsibility to say that "T.T.I.Co." is illegal and until the authorities say it is (authorities, NOT David Thornton), I will continue to instead use arguments that show this is a very bad investment platform on which to rest anyone's hard earned cash. That ain't good enough for you I know. But that is all that I can do. Fill all of the www.factnet.org forum with your hateful, derogatory, and vicious words about myself. At least it is good reading for someone (assuming that there is anyone out there still following all this) and I bet it helps you get through another day in your world. Consider it an act of charity on Bruce Audley's part, toward David Thornton. You know what they say Dave, "Charity begins at home". I have to go know because the strippers just arrived with the liquor and they don't know where in the office that we installed the new pole. And for the record Dave, that is called humour! Bruce Audley | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 207 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
See Dave, I told you all along this business is legal. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1559 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You have a "turncoat" with his head in the sand and that proves TTI is legal? You also have pyramid boards collapsing everywhere and P.O. former distributors. Kids in highschool and college, and university trying to scam fellow students with the recruitment pools drying up. And unable to properly explain, you and Bruce Audley are in total denial and ignorance refusing to address a simple mathematical conundrum. Where does a captain make a retail profit of $9600 by purchasing three paper certificate for $1200ea., keeping one and selling the other two for the exact same $1200 price she payed? (no sales profit made here) This means she has $1200 on a “board” plus two sales of paper at her cost price but nonetheless ends up making a profit of $9600 from somewhere. The gems still on TTI shelves. So, where did the profit come from? The answer?..... The only place it could possibly come from; "make believe sales for passages on a "make believe ship" (recruitment fees) passed on to the bottom of the pyramid, and the last to “sign on” will be the “musical deck chair" losers. An illegal, very thin product masked, pyramid scam. Like the Emperor’s clothes, you “tailors” can see his naked “butt” like anyone else. However you, keep lying, trying to “brainwash” the masses into believing that what they actually see is perfectly legal, devoid of any fraud, or misleading B.S, expensive “emerald studded” clothes. At this point, who on this forum, Bruce, and the rest of you PRO TTI scammers do you think your are really fooling? dave Treasure Traders international is an illegal product masked pyramid fraud under investigation by secretive deliberate "foot-dragging" authorities refusing to warn students and the general public and covered-up by an impotent news media controlled by lawyers "gutting new stories" and censoring reporters as was done with “WEW” and several other important news stories throughout the years which the public should have been told, and were exposed months and years later, to the embarrassment of the media. And that's the truth. (Message edited by gatordave on November 05, 2005) | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 203 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Dave" - But the point is not whether or not that I am convincing you rather; it is about one man posting his thoughts on one company on one public forum. Because my arguments against this operational and currently legal business don't run in exact parallel with you, them I get the honour of being on the receiving end of your name calling. Oh lucky me! The minute someone other than Dave firmly rules that "T.T.I.Co." is illegal, my side is off to the races. Will that day come? I honestly have no idea. Your belief that you can simply mandate legality with a generous swing of your verbal axe, is not part of the foundation of laws that protect our country. For now, all of the little high school children, the unemployed, the destitute and anyone else that is down trodden in our society, are free to throw their money wherever they want. You and I know there is no pot of gold at the end of this rainbow but until someone rules that this scheme is illegal, than that is the way it will be played out. Someone is going to be rich at the end of all of this. It just isn't going to be anyone other than the top 5%. Bruce Audley | ||
| pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage) Junior Member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 29 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.93.22.216 |
So Dave...I ask you to put yourself in the shoes of the readers that you are appealing to. For well over a year now you have been claiming this is an illegal fraud. Most of us tend to take our cues on what is legal vs illegal activity from our lawmakers, police and political representatives not from individuals and their interpretations(when will you be publishing your revised Criminal Code of Canada-Gator Edition?). So, as an observer I can draw only one of two conclusions. a)the people that we entrust to uphold and enforce the laws that govern our land are aware of TTI and have not drawn the same conclusion as you. Ergo...this is currently a legal enterprise or b)these same lawmakers just don't know about TTI which would make you just about the least effective leader of any movement in recent memory. You are making the same arguments that you did over a year ago and you have affected no change....Zero, Zilch. Your little support group or foundation may want to think about an impeachment on the grounds of lack of results. So...the way I see it, either you're just plain wrong or highly ineffective. Which is it? | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1560 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I just finished with “B.S_Truth” give me a chance to catch up with all your rhetoric and B.S. "PICKLED_BRAINS" you know little of our system of law and justice. The laws are already in place. The law makers do not investigate and they do note lay charges. They make the laws. Police and other agencies are charged with the responsibility of enforcement. And therein lies the problem. "WEW" a perfect example of inadequate, slow, and selective and unfair prosecution adding up to injustice, and it demonstrates just what is going on in TTI. Do your home work "know it all." Now, Bruce Audley, pyramid fraud has been ruled illegal over and over, you with the neanderthal sense of law & justice. And as for your inflammatory, flippant, caustic statement “For now, all of the little high school children, the unemployed, the destitute and anyone else that is down trodden in our society, are free to throw their money wherever they want.” All that comes to mind is you unconscionable two-faced P#@%k. You brag about a conscience. After statements like that, it is obvious you don’t have one in my view. I just received another email of a person who lost over $4000. Then you have the gall to write this “The minute someone other than Dave firmly rules that "T.T.I.Co." is illegal, my side is off to the races.” By that time the race is over, jerk. This race started a long time ago. All you're doing is running with the TTI pack, and putting obstacle in the way of our side, of which you are not one. By the time you, “the champion of safe causes” decides to jump to the head of the parade the damage like in “WEW” is done and the race to save “Screwed Canadians” and world citizens is over, and you will be defending another illegal pyramid scheme attempting to discredit me or the next person trying to stop it, because in your view they are using diamonds now and TTI never used those. Therefore "THAT" makes this new bunch of crooks "perfectly legal" What a hypocrite. Do you have an aeroplane Bruce, with a propeller at each end and a swivel cockpit so you can fly with the side you perceive is winning the war at any given time? Now, to address your nonsense, on you previous post. Blustering and spouting, unwilling to address the real issues as predicted you “zeroed in” on irrelevant nonsense with this......"Dave" - And you really thought that my Calgary "T.T.I.Co." presentation involved a lot of drinking at a strip club?” Well, funny guy, you’re the one that first alluded to that not me. And, Bruce, that was the irrelevant semantics I was referring to, waiting to see if you were going to make a meal of it. If you expect me to see your humour (which of course it should be obvious I did), than you should be able to recognize a facetious humourous comment on my part, since it is the language of debate you indulge in. And I did say "if as you suggested, you were having drinks in a strip joint.” unlike you who attacks in absolute terms. Again the "know it all" Bruce Audley, as you write in these absolute terms "while I appreciate that you have never developed a sense of humour." God your full of yourself aren’t you Bruce Audley? I just don't have fun with people who have been hit with adversity. And you don’t know me off this board.. Never is a long time when you are talking about an individual 64 years old. And what’s it all about, Bruce, all this B.S. designed to "draw attention" away from a serious issue in which real people are suffering real hardship. Now when the media's lawyers “snow jobbed” you. Did it ever occur to you to think independently. Or, as I’m sure your teachers, same as mine, would say “use your brain.” Did it even occur to you to think that the news media's own lawyer may not have wanted to find or expose the real truth, or perhaps they simply did not want to get into the controversy, or perhaps they themselves are making money on TTI. TTI does brag about lawyers selling this scam. So, who are these lawyers, and what are the sentiments of other lawyers. Did it occur to you that many lawyers were involved in “WEW” along with police officers politicians and made 10's of thousands. Did it occur to you that member of the media were involved in “WEW” and also in TTI. Did it occur to you that maybe they wanted to skew the facts. Did it occur to you how many years “WEW” operated and the news media wouldn’t ”break” that story either without the approval of the police and only after charges were finally laid? (unlike the U.S. were they “run with a scoop”) And then the Canadian media those with the story covered up the involvement of the lawyers and cops and kept secret the real in-depth investigation of the OPP. Did it occur to you that the act of a sitting mayor’s wife of stealing a pair of $155 designer jeans from Eatons was first covered up by the police and media until the idiot mayor shot his mouth off threatening publically, to kill a reporter who was nosing around the story? Did it ever occur to you that this is proof of how our system works? (or doesn’t work depending on whether you believe this corruption should be censored and withheld from us ordinary not so privileged citizens). You talk about evidence. And against what evidence Bruce? The BS lawyers are feeding you crap as lawyers and police did in “WEW”. You have your head in the sand bigot. Why would you listen to lawyers or even police when lawyers and police already have a record of misleading unsuspecting citizens telling them “WEW” was perfectly legal? And how did they excuse “WEW” as “perfectly legal” according to these law twisting B.S.ing lawyers. It was because these B.S.ing lawyers incorrectly told victims the $5000 recruitment fee was a B.S. non taxable gift. But as it turned out it was AN ILLEGAL PYRAMID FRAUD. And what would be the motive for lawyers and police to disseminate false information? Because the corrupt scum were making $40,000 a “turn” screwing the very public they were misleading into the scam, knowing full well when the s#@t hit the fan they had the power to cover for each other and use intimidation, threats, perjury, false charges, and literally beating the s#@t out of anyone, if need be, who refused to keep their mouth shut and tried to expose the fraud and the subsequent police cover-up. This wasn’t Women Helping Women. It was corrupt lawyers and police Exploiting “Women Exploiting Women.” And they knew they could silence many in the media, because member of the media were in it, and as a result of that, and of course a generally eviscerated and castrated media would never, in this country, have the guts nor the “balls” to expose them. But that does not mean I believe ALL the media, or ALL the cops, or ALL the lawyers, are corrupt or I wouldn’t still be looking. A bigot, of course, would not discern the difference resulting in that ridiculous statement above you wrote. But for the record, because of my dealings with, and others I know who have dealt with the Law Society of Upper Canada, my view is they are one corrupted secret organization and that is bolstered by some decent lawyers I have known in the past with the same opinion.. A $5000 tax free B.S. gifting club is what these law twisting scum “hung their hat” on Bruce. You don’t have “a clue” of what’s going on around you. And you never will, with your bigoted attitude and your “head in the sand.” It was pure B.S. as it turned out. Pure B.S. The authorities finally did something when the Americans “kicked their •••â€ť and "WEW" was on “Oprah” and “Dateline” to mention a few powerful real “ television consumer watch organizations.” Not the B.S. you spent the day with in Calgary. They didn’t wait years when it hit the U.S. before exposing it. Now, Bruce these TTI liars call the “recruitment fee” a “gem stone sale” instead of a “Gift.” Wake up!!! It was me that said “WEW” was an illegal pyramid two years before in 1998, just about the time it began. Lawyers and cops said it was perfectly legal. Then it was busted. So, who has the “track record” and the credibility here readers should ask? The problem I ran into was my naive and false confidence that lawyers, police, politicians businessmen the likes of you would never, on the grand scale that fraud required, mislead and perpetrate a fraud like that on the unsuspecting public. But then I got introduced to the real underground world where it is done constantly by the likes of this scum. Not ALL, mind you, get that, Bruce, bigot, not ALL but far, far more than I would have ever, in my "widest dreams” believed possible. Now, why would you believe lawyers Bruce, and police when their history is they “got it all wrong?” Deliberately I believe, and they’re still getting it wrong (like the cop in Alberta where you live, and his pyramid hockey stick fraud you so conveniently ignored comment on). Don't you believe his hockey stick product made his pyramid fraud legal? Of course TTI then is "perfectly legal" because they have emeralds masking their fraud, but not hockey sticks. More and more pyramids freaks even with lawyers behind them, are pulling sentences approaching and threatening to be 30 years in the U.S. and busted in Canada with far lessor sentences. Get a grip on reality you bigot with your head in the sand. All you do is eat up the vomit these lawyers spew. You are unable to think for yourself. How do you explain Bruce, that the man you and your TTI gang are so desperately trying to discredit and make fun of, had it right and ALL the lawyers and ALL the cops, and All the Kings men involved in "WEW" pyramid fraud had it all wrong, or are you denying the fraud of the decade “WEW” didn’t really happen or didn’t happen to the extent I claim? It’s not me you should be questioning and attempting to discredit. It’s them. Their record is they got it wrong. They LIED to the unsuspecting public..... Ah! But the liars and scammers have positions of power and money and that’s what the “Great I Am” Bruce Audley is all about. And that’s what he follows, not the truth, because money, power and position “trump” over truth in these “rigged” games in this country; doesn’t it? Hypocrite. And now you really show your true colours Bruce, what you are, and who you’re in “bed with,” “playing TTI music” so softly and so subliminally flying in the face of fact and truth, attempting to mislead the world as you muse, and oh so very subtly, bolstering the TTI’s “broken record” position....so subtle, so ethereal, and so winy. And I imagine, with one hand one your hip and other in a “hook” the shape of teapot in a low seductive and controlled voice, gently “spouting” tsk, tsk,... “I just cannot help but wonder why they are not being shut down if they are not a legal entity? Man, a fully moulded TTI stooge and mouthpiece. That’s been their misleading, ridiculous, irrelevant, B.S, “swansong” since the beginning and now they finally have you singing it. It has been interesting indeed, watching this slow, anserine, but steady metamorphous from - TTI is illegal to TTI is “perfectly legal.” A little humour here, you seem to enjoy, along with some cold hard observations. Now, the significant fact, and the real truth of which you Bruce, being of course intelligent and well educated enough to comprehend, but at the same time trying your best to subtly “brainwash” and lead readers away from, and which is on record, is that “WEW”, a perfectly ILLegal pyramid scam with no “smoke and mirrors” B.S. product designed to confuse the public, took about three years to finally “bust.” I think that is proof enough to “shoot” down your attempt to mislead the readers of the legality of TTI based solely upon your ridiculous winy statement adopted from TTI “I just cannot help but wonder why they are not being shut down if they are not a legal entity?” Again, ask why the crack houses continue operating for years on end and the streets of Vancouver traversed with open drug dealing and illegal drug use for decades. I could say of that... “I just cannot help but wonder why they are not being shut down if they are not a legal entity? The police simply do not "shut down" every illegal scam especially the ones they themselves are profiting in. That's common sense. That what you realize when you "take your head out of sand" and look around!!! And if you are really and truly wondering Bruce, and not just B.S.ing and “grandstanding” for TTI and the audience, look for the answers, the truth is closer than you think and may astound you! The public should wonder why they are not being shut down, and the answer to that has nothing whatever to do with the length of time they have been allowed to operate illegally. And I can assure you of that, with the same confidence I had when I also stated that “WEW” was a pyramid fraud. All you doing now, Bruce is turning your back, putting your head in the sand, ignoring fact and subtly spreading TTI’s misleading B.S. and disseminating propaganda like a true traitor. Then again, against facts comes the absurd “Strawman” B.S. again. “I understand your point that everyone in a position of power in Canada is either corrupt or in bed with one or all of the "T.T.I.Co." folks. But really Dave. That doesn't just smack of insane neuroticism, it also suggests a complete and utter disregard of our legal system.” Now it’s apparent you’re subtly adopting the TTI insane rhetoric. You tried that one before Bruce. Maybe you didn’t understand my last response, or you don’t want to leave it alone. So allow me to elaborate..... Now, this is the sure sign of a disseminating bigot readers. Where did I write “everyone in a position of power is either corrupt or in bed with one or all of the “TTICo” folks.” You are simply adapting your new TTI friends’ method of absolutes, Strawman substitutes, spreading B.S. the insane rhetoric and outright lies. The fact is many, say again, many, that’s many Bruce...... too many I agree, but not ALL! And don’t B.S. me about good conscience. You don’t have one. You agree this is not a good business, but you have no sympathy or conscience. You’ve read the posts of those ripped off. You know it’s the very tiny tip of a giant iceberg. You know contrary to your, earlier denials TTI is targeting highschool, college, and university students. You know the answer to your “warped” rhetoric on your previous post, and I’ll paraphrase.... “If all these victims are being ripped off where are they Dave?” You know very well where they are. You know why they do not come forward. And you know they exist in droves, and like “WEW” fear, for a number of reasons, to speak out. That’s doesn’t mean you should bury your head in the sand and lie and mislead the world that “it’s not happening.” The way I see it Bruce, you have made it perfectly clear that you want pyramid freaks, to have the right to perpetrate this “flawed business model” as you call it. (I properly call it illegal, and of course my advice on the last pyramid fraud was 100% accurate vis-a-vis B.S. lawyers and cops. That’s my record on pyramid advice). You want these pyramid freaks free to rip-off unsuspecting students, seniors, immigrants, ethnic communities, the financially unsophisticated, single parents, seniors, and the financially desperate, even if they are facing sickness death and despair. That’s not someone with even a hint of conscience Bruce. Take another look in that mirror and see what’s looking back at you. Or your wallet as you put it. It’s interesting indeed you should have formed this snide and supercilious remark in the way you did..... “It is all so simple Dave isn't it? Dave says they are illegal and that should just about wrap it up for everybody.”.... you arrogant snob. That ironically and historically is true. While the professional “brainwashing” scammers were describing “Gifting Circles” with endless chains, different entry levels, perpetual circles, the empowerment of women, sisterhood and they espoused this.... “It was a life changing experience on all levels....The energy created from the dynamics of women supporting women on all levels was beyond my wildest dreams. I grew enormously emotionally, mentally, spiritually and as a leader. Once I was gifted to participate, all kinds of miracles began opening in my life, in that instant! I would simply think a thought, and it would manifest itself. The very moment I was gifted to participate, I saw the Holy Mother and the Christ appear before me, and the gratitude brought me to my knees” etc., etc., etc., “And the Audley-type” lawyers seeing an opportunity to take advantage of naive women, backed up that B.S. with their own proliferation of B.S. stating Gifting pyramids are legal because they are none taxable gifts. Dave simply said, as Bruce Audley makes fun of, it is an illegal pyramid and many women will get hurt especially those who borrow on their credit cards without their husband’s knowledge and will have to explain where $5000 went with nothing, even anything trivial, to show for it. But they refused to listen and did it secretly exchanging multiples of $40,000 candescently on the beach (my town). “Dave simply saying they are illegal did just about wrap it up.” Thank’s for explaining that in those simplistic terms Bruce, it hadn’t occurred to me to put it that way. They were illegal. Some were charged and convicted. Now, TTI is an illegal pyramid scheme. Simple. Now, who do you believe readers. The PRO TTI. The proven lying lawyers, police, and corrupt politicians, or the person who went against the conventional “wisdom”; against “the tailors weaving the invisible clothes” who made a simple unambiguous statement that turned out 100% true and proven! Or do you believe Bruce Audley, his “head in the sand” trying to speak from both sides of his mouth at once, an aeroplane waiting with a swivel cockpit,..... a propeller at both ends. dave May I be forgiven readers for being harsh, but there is a lot at stake here for many families, businesses, and communities. And that is the truth | ||
| capn_blythe (capn_blythe) New member Username: capn_blythe Post Number: 17 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 213.106.85.232 |
TTI is not legal.....but,with clever "Turn Of Phrase" and wording....they give the impression of being legal...even to the authorities. One day someone in authority will say.."Hang On..all is not what it seems"......but,until then...I will have to concede that TTI is "Deemed" legal....(Until they're found out....and that day WILL come).... Anyhow...there is still the unanswered moral questions... | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1561 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
So, you don't think I'm avoiding your question "PICKLED_BRAINS" you wrote..... So...the way I see it, either you're just plain wrong or highly ineffective. Which is it?.... Well the answer neither. In case your in denial I'll do my best to shake you out of it.... TTI IS UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE RCMP. WEW WAS NOT BUSTED FOR YEARS AND THEY HAD NO CONFUSING PRODUCTS. POLICE AND LAWYERS LIED TO THE WOMEN IN WEW. POLICE AND LAWYERS ARE UNOFFICIALLY AND INDIVIDUALLY TELLING THE PUBLIC THE SAME B.S. OUR GUTLESS MEDIA, EXACTLY THE SAME AS "WEW," IS IN A "CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE" Are you awake yet "PICKLED_BRAINS" | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 204 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Dave" - I made it halfway through your "spittle soaked" remarks and then I just gave up. Your venom masks your attempt to be the "do-gooder" that you see yourself as being. I repeat, I am glad you are launching your adolescent remarks at me because your words mean the sum total of nothing to me. No greater than a fly on a hair in the middle of a great universe. This one paragraph alone should be good for a snappy retort of sixty or seventy "on about nothing" paragraphs from you but please try and make your point in the first two becasue I just get bored with anything past that! What good is the writer Dave if there is nobody reading the writing? I did however note the thought by "capn_blythe" that for now, "T.T.I.Co." is DEEMED legal. An interesting slant on the current known facts. Food for thought me thinks! Bruce Audley | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1562 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Too bad you didn't finish it Bruce. That's been your problem from the beginning. You work on half-truths and cherry-picking B.S. Just another narrow minded word-twisting truth-twisting "know-it-all. Really, I suppose by now, I write for other readers as rebuttal to all your "soft-soaped” attempts to "brainwash" readers. It’s obvious, like a lynch mob, as I pointed out before “nothing of any value” will get through your prejudice mind. Your attempts to become a hero by your childish remarks “I am glad you are launching your adolescent remarks at me” “broken record”, seemingly protecting the world from the unabashed truth, is simply more of your rhetoric drawing attention from the real issues. And this from the same “caring” individual who wrote from the other "spittle soaked" side of his mouth.... “For now, all of the little high school children, the unemployed, the destitute and anyone else that is down trodden in our society, are free to throw their money wherever they want.” The truth is, gagsters are free to steal millions by “misleading and outright lying” to these same people, not by law, but rather because of lack of enforcement of the existing law. Do reader understand how this man, a well to do snob, looks down with contempt on those who are not privileged with the information he has to keep his own family and friends safe from the fraud of TTI and other such frauds. And he pretends to be the protector of all, not only on this forum but all over Factnet. If Bruce Audley refuses to “sit back and watch his family” “brainwashed” by Kippax then why not everyone else’s family? And why does he find it even necessary to warn his loved ones if everyone should be able to understand on their own and make their own decision and ... “be free to throw their money wherever they want?” Why would he feel compelled to warn his loved ones in advance. Is it because, as he indicated he would not want to see them "swindled out of their hard earned money.” Is it because, for his loved ones he understands the power of “brainwashing” which is the absence of free choice; the very theme of this entire Website. And why would he want to discredit and attack a man who is attempting to simply inform “all of the little high school children, the unemployed, the destitute and anyone else that is down trodden in our society” of the same dangers he would inform his loved one of? Why would this well to do snob, do that....., instead of supporting a program to inform students on campus, educate them and get them talking about these frauds or even as he puts it “flawed business model?” Inform them, so they in turn can go home and inform their parents and grandparents. Why is Bruce Audley putting every obstacle he can in front of that instead of writing the local highschool and with his eloquent command of the English language warning them of the dangers of TTI like he does his own loved ones. Instead he wastes his time and talents to discredit others striving to do just that. Someone please explain the motives behind that conundrum. What an irony. He pretends to protect the world from my harsh words of truth directed at him, but supports the gagsters lying and ripping off the children of the same people, and the venomous filth by PRO TTI directed not only at me but their own disgruntled distributors. And again he acknowledges “only 5% will walk away from this scam rich.” He is such a hypocrite. The worst kind, the ones who actually believe they're right no matter what it presented in front of their face.. At least Kippax knows and understands he’s lying crook. As soon as I saw the words “deemed legal” I knew Bruce, you would be all over it like a "salivating scavenger" distorting the context in which it was presented to bolster your grandiloquence. “cptn_blythe” maintained TII is illegal. He simply wrote it was deemed [by others] to be legal. The next post will probably have him quoted as saying TTI is "perfectly legal" Once he’s on the forum long enough he will be able to “read” you professional “word twisting” debating hypocrites. WEW was also “deemed” (viewed as) legal by lawyers, cops, and screwed up narrow-minded people like yourself Bruce Audley, who either refused to research the laws or simply “closed their mind” to what they read, or refused to finish reading it. The truth is, anyway you “slice it,” THEY WERE WRONG. But they certainly DEEMED themselves right. Lynch mobs are guilty of the same thing DEEMING themselves right, closing there mind to even a modicum of truth or reason. You remind me of the minister still sitting in jail in the U.S. after promoting a pyramid fraud, still insisting “he did nothing wrong” and his system would have worked for everyone, if only he had been left alone. Total absolute denial in face of facts and his own conviction. As the Attorney General of the State of New York wrote. “You cannot reason with them. You cannot discuss for every winner there must be 8 losers.” Why don’t you see if you can get an audience with that attorney general rather than the droll anechoic authorities you associate with who get it wrong! And it’s been asked more than once “Dave why should anyone listen to you.” That's obvious. I maintained through all the gloried B.S. that “WEW” pyramid was an illegal fraud. I was right. Police, lawyers and other professionals of power and so called higher educated and mis-guided narrow-minded well-to-do jerks like Bruce Audley got it all wrong and because of that, spread one of the worst frauds in history throughout the world, destroying family, friend, workplace, and church relationships and causing young people and old alike to file for bankruptcy. Why should anyone believe you Bruce, your personal lawyer and the other legal hypocrites, and until you reveal at least the position of your “secret source” of government information, this unofficial source, when people in these same positions were 100% absolutely wrong in their legal assessment of the most simple, and basic structured pyramid fraud? Perhaps you could answer this direct question Bruce, since you have set yourself up as an authority on “perfectly legal” pyramids. “Why was the pyramid fraud “WEW” illegal? Do you believe, readers we will get an answer to any of those very relevant questions? dave | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 205 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Dave" - My, my! Such a potty mouth! I have not once asked you to believe me or, to believe "in" me. The other readers of this forum are all very intelligent people that will form their own custom fit solutions to the question of whether or not "T.T.I.Co." is a sound investment model. Personally for my part, I would give any thought I might have of convincung David Thornton about anything, no more thought then I would to flick lint from my shoulder. Oh look, there's a little piece right now! Don't worry Dave, it is gone. Thank-you for asking me to comment on this "WEW" thing however; as it was never of any interest to me or my family and everything I would have ever cared to know about would have come from your own elequent writings on this forum, I would hardly consider myself able to comment. Your issue Dave, your concerns and your comments. Now where did I hide that squirrel trap? Bruce Audley P.S. I threw in the squirrel trap thing because it has as much to do with the "T.T.I.Co." issue as almost all of Dave's postings! | ||
| voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason) New member Username: voice_of_reason Post Number: 24 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.158.82.29 |
Bruce, Truth, Sausage, Captn', and any other people interested. Perhaps we can find a forum where we can meet as often or as little as we like, where we can be humorous, witty, eloquent, or even serious, and discuss any issues that interest us at any given point in time? Perhaps a place different than FACTNet, a "Gator Free" zone if you will. A place where people can be free to have, form, and express their own opinions without being attacked. A place where you would treat others the same as you would in person. Oh wait, that is supposed to be FACTNet. I guess it doesn’t work. Well, any suggestions? | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1563 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
That's ironic. I was just drafting such a proposal. I'll get back to you on it. And you have the gall to write.... A place where people can be free to have, form, and express their own opinions without being attacked. Now, that of course is exactly what I had expected when I came on this forum before I was attacked as a LIAR and a RAPIST and lies and gossip about Court Orders that never existed events that never happened attacks on my family and a host of other crap especially from your sewer mouth. And then watched as one after another victims of TTI were also attacked with much the same filth. And one simple point. I formed the opinion, based on facts that TTI is illegal. But you couldn’t respect that. You had to attack relentless calling me a lair. Over and over again. Dave you’re a liar. Where was the respect for my option. You hypocrite. So maybe we can come to some sort of an agreement here. | ||
| capn_blythe (capn_blythe) New member Username: capn_blythe Post Number: 19 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 213.106.85.232 |
Tsk Tsk....I think Bruce is getting hold of the wrong end of the stick here.....I am not conceding that TTI is "Legal"....just that,with some clever wordplay...and by some facts being cleverly hidden...TTI is SEEN to be legal by certain authorities....who,if they bothered to dig deeper,would see that all is not what it seems.... | ||
| capn_blythe (capn_blythe) New member Username: capn_blythe Post Number: 20 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 213.106.85.232 |
BTW...I don't think some of you Canadians understand the concept of Quotation Marks...You Know...These..."...and "....... Because whenever I use them on this forum some seem to think that they are my words....so for the record....QUOTATION MARKS = "IN THE WORDS OF OTHERS" | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1564 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
What I propose is this we start two new threads 1) Victims of TTI Only - and Support NO PRO TTI POSTS!!!..... 2) PRO TTI OPPORTUNITY ONLY - NO ANTI TTI POSTS. This way victims can tell their stories without being attacked and ridiculed because of their poor English due to lack of education, learning disability or ethnic origins; or be ridiculed just because of their ethnic origin and their words and thoughts twisted, and intimidated to leave the board or having to wade through a pile and crap about lint, squirrels, squirrel traps, cheese and other idiocies from ignorant pr$#ks and suffer through a forum filled with condescending dribble from a two-faced snob. They will have the freedom say what they want about TTI and rip you people to pieces if they so choose amongst themselves. I assume you realize Bruce you would not be invited to this forum. You PRO TTI would have your thread where you would be free to promote all the “virtues” of pyramid schemes the “business model of the new millennium” “downlines”, “forced matrix”, compensation packages, “endless chain recruiting” etc. You would be free to rip anyone apart with your lies and mindless crap (subject to a liable suit). You can talk about your cheese, squirrels and crackers and all the rest of your stupidity and irrelevant B.S. without being harassed, interrupted, chastised with caustic comments, and reciprocal disparaging detestation and chased through your sewer by the Gator. A total “Gator Free Zone.” You keep your crap off our thread and we’ll respect yours. Mutual disrespect can still be carry on as usual in the “neutral” threads. So lets give that try. dave | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 206 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Dave" - You mean we agree on something finally? I'll vote for two different sites. But at the risk of pointing out the obvious, none of the posters on this forum are the sole selected invited guests of David Thornton. I know the concept is fresh for you but this remains an OPEN forum, free to each and every person wishing to jump in with their thoughts and opinions as differing as they may be. Perhaps the concept is a little too close to ideologies like democracy and balanced social justice, for you to grasp. Have you thought about a good sleep to clear your judgement? Just asking, that's all. "capn_blythe" - I understood exactly what you implied when you introduced your "Turn of Phrase" (I trust this is the correct use of quotation marks). I was just enjoying the subtle twist of words and thought I would tell you that I found it intriguing. I look forward to more great posts from your key board to my computer. Bruce Audley | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1566 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
AND HE WRITES..... But at the risk of pointing out the obvious, none of the posters on this forum are the sole selected invited guests of David Thornton. I know the concept is fresh for you but this remains an OPEN forum, free to each and every person wishing to jump in with their thoughts and opinions as differing as they may be." You just don't give it up do you. You irritating two-faced condescending snob. Talk about a "piece of lint" you're like a irritating tic. Of course it goes without saying, but you found a compelling uncontrollable childish urge to say it anyway. Talk about an annoying irritating juvenile. “Ya, Ya, ...Ya, Ya, Ya,” we can go on the thread if we want to, you don’t own it Ya, Ya, .... Ya, YA, YA,!!! What a suck., Point #1.... if you read..... I wrote by mutual respect I was hoping beyond hope you pr$#ks might understand what that concept meant. Point #2... There are I believe an unlimited number of threads that can be opened so it occurred to me that perhaps that being the case only the most childish would want the “same candy” already selected by one group and if they can’t have it pi$$ all over it to spoil it for them, when in fact there is a limitless supply of exactly the same candy for everyone. I already opened a thread off this ANTI TTI forum at the suggestion of the mindless p.r. “MAKE_7000" but he had to follow me there and “pi$$” all over that too, which I recognize is his god given democratic right. Point #3.... you talk the talk like a well trained parrot, but you don’t walk the walk..... as you write... “Perhaps the concept is a little too close to ideologies like democracy and balanced social justice, for you to grasp.” You’re a real “piece of work.” One sick hypocrite and like the mindless parrot you have no idea of the concept of which you parrot (dictionary- parrot- to repeat mindlessly). Your concept of the ideologies of democracy and freedom is that the better educated, the more wealthy, the more cunning and the most ruthless - the “sharks” at the top be given (by law)..... the rest of society to feed on. You shrewd, unscrupulous, fascist, pr$#k. And as far as your brand of social justice is concerned, I will also 'take the risk of pointing out the obvious, you sick condescending uncaring unconscionable ba$tard..... your brand of social justice is found in your own caustic words and feelings “For now, all of the little high school children, the unemployed, the destitute and anyone else that is down trodden in our society, are free to throw their money wherever they want. ..... when the truth is, gagsters are free to steal millions by misleading and outright lying to these same people, not by law, but rather because of lack of enforcement of the existing law. That’s Bruce Audley’s concept of social justice. Sorry, but Bruce Audley’s concept of “pig headed” selfish 'social justice' I cannot embrace and subscribe to nor sit by and do nothing while a “shark” like you tries to indoctrinate and ‘brainwash’ those you perceive to be beneath you to accept that concept you snob. And “perhaps the [TRUE] concept is a little too close to [TRUE] ideologies like [TRUE] democracy and [TRUE] balanced social justice, for YOU to grasp.” Bruce Audley! And I honestly believe, that too is the truth. dave | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1567 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Now the reason I suggested two threads is so that if someone is asking how they make money with TTI and if it’s legal I feel compelled to open their eyes on the subject which interferes with Pro TTI explaining their views without interruption and it all ends up with cross-talk arguing insults and babble. Perhaps the person wants to know if there are pitfalls and the legal question. Maybe they’re not interested in hearing the negative aspects and being told it is illegal. And it is nothing but useless arguing. Contrary to popular belief by PRO TTI I did not come here to “ram anything down anyone’s throat.” But I don’t want someone lying and “brainwashing” people who want to question and ramming their views down their throat. My advice will not take money out of their pocket. As we know in TTI you can end up with a lot less than you started with. So, The heading is on our (if that is respected) thread. Anyone I believe should be able to find it. If they don’t come on the Anti TTI thread then I would assume they are not interested or not yet ready to hear what we have to tell them. That’s fine. I have something to tell them. I will answer questions but I am about to be persuaded that this is legal anymore than I would argue to see if possible I could possibly accept a bank robbery as legal. And I would not want to give anyone the impression they might change my mind. I am here to give advice and to discuss any details I may have missed bolstering the fact TTI is illegal and what we can do about it. I do not want to interfere with those who do not wish to hear my views nor to interfere with PRO TTI here if people choose to go to the PRO TTI thread. Then I am not in your hair! If anyone wants to fight debate, or get nasty we can meet on the other threads and we’ll all know why we’re there. A different agenda and a free choice of three different “programs. Learn about the TTI program - learn the negative, or “duke it out” in the “fight room.” I sounds resonable and we have the space to do it. I see you beat me to it but I was going to suggest you open a thread with PRO TTI OPPORTUNITY ONLY - NO ANTI TTI POSTS OR NO DAVE THORNTON if you wish. This would give new readers an idea what it's about. I tried to keep anything personal out of the title but I see you just couldn't resist "B.S.VOICE" | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 207 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Dave" - Wow! No comment is required. Your post more than anything I could ever write, tips the readers to the "bizzaro world" that remains trapped within David Thornton's imagination. Bruce Audley | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1570 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Bruce - WOW!!! I think a comment is required for the readers. You see readers that's basically what they said about the great pyramid scam "WEW" and if one researches the proven cases of hundreds of pyramid scams on the net you will see this same denials over, and over, and these same attacks on victims or concerned individuals those who try to expose them. People like Bruce Audley, are "know-it-alls" with no basis in fact. They "talk up a storm" but they live with their "head in the sand". or knowing the truth, desire to keep those they view and hold in contempt, as "beneath" them "in the dark." They live in denial of the truth and live the "perception rather than the reality", while falsely accusing others. At the same time as Audley tells readers how the "world runs" he admits he know nothing of the subjects raised nor does he want to know. That is the trait of a narrow minded bigot. One who ignores the truth and "makes up the B.S. as he goes along" developing a perception rather than the truth. Like President Bush did and is now paying the price as the real truth immerges. Audley makes these general all encompassing statements such as ...... “the "bizzaro world" that remains trapped within David Thornton's imagination.” But what are the specifics. My predictions the “WEW” pyramid was illegal and many would lose and face hardships, and those that kept the money would be resented. That it would divide families and destroy friendships and cause serious problems when women got into it and kept it from their husbands. That is absolutely true and exactly what happened and it is all over the internet. All the other individual stories I brought to this forum to generally explain how our society is going and how criminal activity, illegal pyramid frauds and all, ties together are all true. Clarence Elkins in jail for a rape he did not commit was laughed at. But, still in jail he solved his own case. It’s one heck of story. He got a cigarette butt from another inmate that seemed certainly a better suspect. The DNA matched the DNA at the murder scene. Unbelievably narrow minded bigots like these from TTI and the likes of Bruce Audley and like the Summit County Prosecutor Sherri Bevan Walsh, still insists he is the murderer and refuse to release him from a life sentence. (do you suppose there is some Judge Judy bias here) Almost unbelievably the Attorney General of Ohio has made a public statement that Elkins should be freed. The ignorant prosecutor has now a “torn a strip off the Attorney General” for interfering. Like Audley and his gang of bigots they're all in absolute total denial of the truth. http://www.freeclarence.com From the above website. “Now, Ohio Attorney General Jim Petro has stunned prosecutors, especially in Summit County, where Elkins was convicted of murder and rape in 1999, by declaring that the results of the DNA testing Elkins’ supporters paid for prove him innocent. Elkins’ case is made more dramatic because his attorney says Elkins’ independent DNA testing has identified the true killer in Elkins’ case. Elkins suspected Earl Mann, a neighbour of the victims, after Mann was later convicted of raping three girls. When Elkins encountered Mann in prison, he filched one of Mann’s cigarette butts. It was tested, and Mann’s DNA was determined to be a match to that found on the victims in Elkins’ case, according to Elkin’s attorney. Bruce tries to discredit me because of these stories I brought to the forum that are bizarre. Of course they are, because they are the result of the actions of bizarre people such as Bruce Audley but they are in fact true and not as Audley puts it in his condescending “know-it -all" attitude..... “the "bizzaro world" that remains trapped within David Thornton's imagination.” Bruce Audley readers, is a well to do condescending bigot, basically what is wrong with our whole society. People like this attempt, and many times succeed in discrediting the truth just because of who they are and their lies are believed and passed on without question. Start to question and the real truth emerges even to the highest positions of power. P.M. Paul Martin, former P.M. Chretien and now President Geo. W. Bush. The truth threatens possitions of power, and threatens Bruce Audley, that is why he feels compelled to carry on in the way he does discrediting and twisting the truth. Elkins is one very classic example that was greeted by scepticism and ignorance by TTI supporters. But time tells the truth. So, readers in my own defence.... this is not “the "bizzaro world" that remains trapped within David Thornton's imagination.”...... it is the real “bizzaro” world that exists, it’s just that this bizarre bigot Bruce Audley as I say, lives in a world of perception, of his own making helped along with other bigots in high places who would have you believe in their concocted, but not in any respect, the real world. So, perhaps we should ask Bruce Audley to begin naming one at a time the incidents or stories that support his insidious and challenging remarks ...... “the "bizzaro world" that remains trapped within David Thornton's imagination.”..... starting with what Audley perceives as the worst case scenario that proves it is only a product of "David Thornton’s imagination. (Which I assume means has no foundation in fact or possibility). dave | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1571 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
FYI. You see illegal pyramid schemes are not just those "without" product as these PRO TTI would have you believe. Most have product. Here is one that took the victim's homes and life savings. It is the method used to scam the public, that is illegal, again not the product or lack of product. http://www.newsnet5.com/money/5270341/detail.html If the government in Canada, The RCMP, "Phone Busters" and Crime Stoppers" and the BBB are going to do nothing to warn citizens until people are destroyed, not even inform them, then the public must do it themselve the same way as TTI, by spreading the "word" which is my intent and mission like the individual that opened this Website. It's a good thing to do. Citizens must do it. dave p.s. And I did not design and concoct that website, Bruce Audley and readers, to prove Audley's condescending remarks “the "bizzaro world" that remains trapped within David Thornton's imagination.” to be untrue. Honest! | ||
| pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage) Junior Member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 30 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.70.45.242 |
Bruce...I know you have broad shoulders but do you need this crap? Let alone deserve it? I know you don't require a 3rd man in on your behalf but Dave, you hit a sore spot with your comment "Bruce Audley readers, is a well to do condescending bigot, basically what is wrong with our whole society". Now I don't know Bruce from the baker, but I think everyone here would agree that he carries himself with a dignity that you can only dream of(that is, if you ever unglued your talons from the keyboard long enough to catch some sleep). His words ring much louder than your bullhorn. Your stories are bizarre!. And maybe they are mostly(or all) true. But what's most bizarre is how you weave these many individual stories into some patchwork hypothesis that you think supports your arguments. And more importantly in your mind, leads the reader back to your ultimate mandate which I maintain is to clear your name, convince us all as I've said before that "it's not his fault....none of it!". There are many things we can point to as being "wrong with our whole society", but the musings and insight of a man who just happens to disagree occasionally with the rantings of someone as self-serving as you, isn't one of them. | ||
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