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     i_sleep_well (i_sleep_well) New member Username: i_sleep_well Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 64.26.156.53 |
Maybe we could start using this thread now, as I am getting a bit frustrated scrolling all the way to the bottom of this very long thread ......... | ||
| bvaledis (bvaledis) Intermediate Member Username: bvaledis Post Number: 212 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.93.143.58 |
To: gatordave I do believe everything you have said on this forum TO BE TRUE. I also believe that you are wasting your time REPLYING to all the posts from the PSYCO-BRAIN-WASHED-FREAKS, that call themselves EMERALD DISTRIBUTORS. Everybody knows that TTI is in the GAMES BUSINESS and NOT IN SELLING. Again the distribution of Emeralds is just BALONEY. Can you imagine make_7000 TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING BY SELLING EMERALDS? Oh, by the way, THIS FREAK IS SO HAPPY and SUCCESSFUL at selling Emeralds, that he does it PART TIME besides 3 OTHER BUSINESS HE RUNS, what a talented individual. These FREAKS BELIEVE THAT WE WERE ALL BORN YESTERDAY. Let them post their propaganda, don't worry, I think it's quite entertaining. ANYONE THAT COMES HERE to read this forum, should realise with 1980 posts SOMETHING SMELLS FISHY. With so much controversy surrounding their MAGICAL RECRUITMENT PRESENTATIONS and TREASURE GAME, it can't be good publicity. THIS IS THE REASON THE SUPER-FREAK HIMSELF KEEPS POSTING, he is paid to do DAMAGE CONTROL for TTI. He is the one, BREAKING HIS OWN COMPANY's RULES BY POSTING, do you think we buy all HIS BS EXPLANATIONS? I didn't think so. The reason he posts here daily (I believe), is so that he can visit Mr. Kippax with the knee pads and drive the HUMMER HOME FOR THE WEEKEND. People should know, IF ANYONE GETs RIPPED OFF by this SCAM, they must REPORT the incident to the BBB, the POLICE and the COMPETITION BUREAU in Ottawa. ONLY BY REPORTING EACH INDIVIDUAL INCIDENT, we would be doing our part to WAKE UP our lethargic system and INVESTIGATE TTI. As you said, this is already under way. Sit back, and enjoy your cup of coffee this morning. You HAVE DONE MORE FOR THE PEOPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND SOCIETY in general, than the average person. Have a GREAT WEEKEND, you deserve it. | ||
| i_sleep_well (i_sleep_well) New member Username: i_sleep_well Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 64.26.156.53 |
Attention ALL CAPTAINS, and CAPTAIN WANABEE'S. According to MAKE7000 you should purchase a lot of GEMPACKS so that you can accelerate your way to riches, just like he has. To those who who are already captain, I would think that the only proper thing to do is to sign up again, below your downline to help them become captain as well. You could become one of their new recruits, and help them get to the top as well. You would end up with another gempack ( a fantastic investment so I am told ) to boot. To those of you already involved with TTI, but not yet captain, you should purchase another few gempacks ( again because of the great value they have ) and take some of the same medicine that you are selling to your new recruits. What is good for the goose is good for the gander correct ? | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 146 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.250.47 |
i_sleep_well You really are stupid!! First of all l never said anyone should purchase a lot of gempacks. You really need to do some research on TTI!!! I know many cpatains that have put themselves back in under there new recruits to be one of their keys. DO SOME RESEARCH GO TO A MEETING SOMETHING We can start a new thread but there isn't going to be anything new on it. Everyone is just going to be writing the same crap over and over and over and over again. We should ask everyone if you don't have anything new to add to this topic then then don't write anything. We don't need to hear the samething 1000 times. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 169 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.157.158.230 |
To all Pro TTI- You should move to New-Brunswick right now!!! You could get very big discounts. One of the big shots there, a proud TTI Captain, is selling Gem Packs at only $300 CAN. The GREAT SALE has just started running...  | ||
| i_sleep_well (i_sleep_well) New member Username: i_sleep_well Post Number: 20 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 64.26.156.53 |
make7000: You should not call me stupid. I haven't called you names. I let your posts speak for themselves... You said in one of your posts that you had or were going to purchase a gempack to get your board moving. Sounded like a good idea to me to get your board moving. You pro tti people keep stating that the gempacks are a fantasitc investment. If so, why not purchase more gempacks , sell them, and re-invest the money in more gempacks, sell them, re-invest the money ...etc. and that way you don't have to rely on new recruits to make your $7K. Is this not feasible, and if not could you explain to me why not? (Message edited by I_sleep_well on January 29, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 207 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.140 |
Gatordave, Well, by the looks of it, it appears your seem to have a better understanding of TTI. Perhaps now you may be able to see that in my posts I have not been twisting the truth and have simply explained honest facts of how this business operates. Now, because I believe that the previous false accusations you have made against TTI with regards to legality was a result of simple misunderstanding of this business, I will assume that any false comments you made against TTI were unintentional, and should this assumption be correct, then you are in fact not a liar. As such, I would like to extend my apologies and retract my accusations of you being a liar and any other attacks that may have offended you (assuming any future posts you make will contain factual information and not mere assumptions of this business). Dave, I truly believe you are a good hearted and have come into this forum with good intentions. You are definitely a positive figure and I thank you for the contributions you have made to our society. Wish you the best! God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 176 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.157.145.106 |
To ALL FACTS-FACTS-FACTS-PROOFS-PROOFS-PROOFS 1- TTI has no positive opinion letter from Industry Canada or Federal authorities, binding on the Commissioner, that they can show you and us. Why? If they are so sure their system is legal, why not asking for such an opinion letter as other REAL and ETHICAL MLM companies do BEFORE going on the market? Such a TTI favourable letter, from the Commissioner, would have the clear and fast effect of shutting all of us, the ANTI TTI people. We challenge all Pro TTI people to come to this room with a copy of such a letter. 2- TTI is claiming to be an honest MLM company but is not a DSA or MLMIA member that represent REAL MLM companies. http://www.dsa.ca - http://dsa.org - http://www.mlmia.org - http://mlmlegal.com . TTI is not a DSA member since it would imply Mr. Kippax to be binded personally. Mr. Kippax could NOT hide himself BEHIND the corporate veil as he is doing right now with TTI. 3- TTI has a buy-back policy of 10 days for its customers and distributors, which is against the industry practices, they are claiming to be in, with MLM companies, that have a minimum of 90%-90 days and 1 year one up to an illimited period for all DSA members, for their DISTRIBUTORS wanting to end their relationship with a specific company, due to the specific nature of the MLM business. Feel free to check the Federal Government presentation, supporting ANTI TTI (CROOKS) claims at: http://mmprodnt.ic.gc.ca/mmpub/competitionbureau/content/language_select_noframe.html For the buy-back policy, just go to Slide 8, in Set TWO, and Slides 5-6-7 in SET THREE. 4- You have to wait for 14 members to be on your team BEFORE receiving your $500 on your first sale, $500 on your second one, and $6000 on your group: 2 + 4 + 8, for a total of $7000. 5- That means that you're paid for sponsoring, which is totaly ILLEGAL. If you don't sponsor, you get nothing save papers (certificates). You still have to GIVE a lot of money to TRY to trade your certificates with Go Trading, that is a totally newcomer on the market and is not known by the industry. In fact, Gotrading registered their domain name on March 30, 2004. You can check GoTrading is a REAL newcomer on the Whois site displaying the following info about them: "Domain GOTRADING.NET Date Registered: 3/30/2004 Date Modified: 10/26/2004 Expiry Date: 3/30/2005 DNS1: ns.gotrading.net DNS2: ns.gotrading.net Registrant 2024583 Ontario Limited 181 Greenwood Ave Toronto, ON (CA) M4L 2P8 Administrative Contact GOtrading.net Marketing Manager 439 King St W, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103476qqmt@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Technical Contact GOtrading.net Tech Support 439 King St w, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103478mcmk@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Registrar: Namescout.com" 6- Go to any jewellery store in your area and ask them if they would even accept to buy your TTI stones. 7- If TTI ceases its activities at any point in time, TTI will not have the money to pay ALL of its distributors since it is depending on newcomers to pay the CAPTAINS. 8- Only 1 out of 15 will be paid, the CAPTAINS. 9- 14 out of 15 will lose their money. 10- Most of them will be left with pieces of paper with the only paper value. 11- Pro TTI people have been unable, up to know, to clearly give us a clear payout for only ONE Gem-Pack as any other LEGAL and HONEST organization can do easily. $ % Retail Price: ? 100% Wholesale Price: ? ? Retail Profit: ? ? Bonuses on group volume: ? ? Other overrides if any: ? ? Total PAYOUT: ? ? 12- Mr. Stephen Knight has been fired from the JJ international network of appraisers on beginning of November 2004, for ETHICS VIOLATION, as you can read CLEARLY on the Jewelry Judge's site at: http://www.jewelryjudge.net/SK.html 13- If you get caught, you could go to JAIL for 5 years and be fined up to $200,000. 14- With a criminal record, you will be unable to pass the customs to go to USA. 15- You will lose your friends, your credibility and your respectability. 16- If you're ready to work hard and put time and dedication in it, there is a lot of REAL good and legal opportunities out on the market. So... open your eyes BEFORE being caught in the TTI PYRAMIDAL and PONZI SCHEME!!! | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 218 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.140 |
Wmmw, Are you still trying to mislead people? In case you haven't been keeping up with the forum, your president of "P.A.T.T.I." (Peon's Against Treasure Traders Intertnational), a well-respected individual, Mr. Bruce Audley, specifically explains... "At the present time, the government regulatory agencies that have reviewed "Treasure Traders Intertnational" business practices, have cleared them as being legal. From where I sit, that ends the legality question. I may not like it but those are the facts so there would be no point in my posting anything different. " (Found in: Treasure Traders » Treasure Traders International - Thread 2 » Pyramid Scheme Article » Treasure Traders International - The Facts....Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 12:39 pm) So, unless you would like me to go through your list once again to point out the errors in the points you cover, you might want to look at the real facts. Sorry bud, I'm afraid your information is just as credible as the Super Highway site where you are listed as a crook. By the way, why don't do reference SuperHighway anymore in your list of "proofs"? Well, anyway...good luck with that! God bless. | ||
| i_sleep_well (i_sleep_well) New member Username: i_sleep_well Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 64.26.156.53 |
NEW ANTI FRAUD INITIATIVE STARTED BY RCMP. THis month is FRAUD AWARENESS MONTH. If any of the readers are aware of any fraud, then it should be reported to PHONEBUSTERS, a new service. Maureen McGrath Senior Communications Advisor Competition Bureau 819-953-8982 / 613-296-2187 (cell) Terri Newland Media Projects Officer OPP Corporate Communications Bureau, GHQ 705-329-6871 Howard Adams Acting Corporal Media Relations Officer Royal Canadian Mounted Police 905-876-9674 / 905-299-8012 (cell) Terrie Tweddle Director, Public Relations Visa Canada 416-860-3871 / 416-708-9497 (cell) http://cb-bc.gc.ca/epic/internet/incb-bc.nsf/en/ct03037e.html . . .  | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 179 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.157.145.106 |
http://www.dsa.ca/pyramidshemes.htm | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 224 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.140 |
wmmw, In case you still don't understand, let me explain it again. TTI is operating perfectly legal without having to be part of DSA. Any information related to TTI that you supplied in your link only supports the fact that TTI is legal. I'm really not sure why you still reference DSA when we received confirmation from DSA themselves that it is not mandatory for network marketing business to be registered under them. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Intermediate Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 455 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.93.139.153 |
For those thinking of joining, or those who are not sure what they have gotten themselves into please consider this for the sake of you family, friends and community. http://www.businessethics.org/EinEJan2001.pdf | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 211 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
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| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 221 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.135.185 |
To ALL FACTS-FACTS-FACTS-PROOFS-PROOFS-PROOFS 1- TTI has no positive opinion letter from Industry Canada or Federal authorities, binding on the Commissioner, that they can show you and us. Why? If they are so sure their system is legal, why not asking for such an opinion letter as other REAL and ETHICAL MLM companies do BEFORE going on the market? Such a TTI favourable letter, from the Commissioner, would have the clear and fast effect of shutting all of us, the ANTI TTI people. We challenge all Pro TTI people to come to this room with a copy of such a letter. 2- TTI is claiming to be an honest MLM company but is not a DSA or MLMIA member that represent REAL MLM companies. http://www.dsa.ca - http://dsa.org - http://www.mlmia.org - http://mlmlegal.com . TTI is not a DSA member since it would imply Mr. Kippax to be binded personally. Mr. Kippax could NOT hide himself BEHIND the corporate veil as he is doing right now with TTI. 3- TTI has a buy-back policy of 10 days for its customers and distributors, which is against the industry practices, they are claiming to be in, with MLM companies, that have a minimum of 90%-90 days and 1 year one up to an illimited period for all DSA members, for their DISTRIBUTORS wanting to end their relationship with a specific company, due to the specific nature of the MLM business. Feel free to check the Federal Government presentation, supporting ANTI TTI (CROOKS) claims at: http://mmprodnt.ic.gc.ca/mmpub/competitionbureau/content/language_select_noframe.html For the buy-back policy, just go to Slide 8, in Set TWO, and Slides 5-6-7 in SET THREE. 4- You have to wait for 14 members to be on your team BEFORE receiving your $500 on your first sale, $500 on your second one, and $6000 on your group: 2 + 4 + 8, for a total of $7000. 5- That means that you're paid for sponsoring, which is totaly ILLEGAL. If you don't sponsor, you get nothing save papers (certificates). You still have to GIVE a lot of money to TRY to trade your certificates with Go Trading, that is a totally newcomer on the market and is not known by the industry. In fact, Gotrading registered their domain name on March 30, 2004. You can check GoTrading is a REAL newcomer on the Whois site displaying the following info about them: "Domain GOTRADING.NET Date Registered: 3/30/2004 Date Modified: 10/26/2004 Expiry Date: 3/30/2005 DNS1: ns.gotrading.net DNS2: ns.gotrading.net Registrant 2024583 Ontario Limited 181 Greenwood Ave Toronto, ON (CA) M4L 2P8 Administrative Contact GOtrading.net Marketing Manager 439 King St W, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103476qqmt@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Technical Contact GOtrading.net Tech Support 439 King St w, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103478mcmk@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Registrar: Namescout.com" 6- Go to any jewellery store in your area and ask them if they would even accept to buy your TTI stones. 7- If TTI ceases its activities at any point in time, TTI will not have the money to pay ALL of its distributors since it is depending on newcomers to pay the CAPTAINS. 8- Only 1 out of 15 will be paid, the CAPTAINS. 9- 14 out of 15 will lose their money. 10- Most of them will be left with pieces of paper with the only paper value. 11- Pro TTI people have been unable, up to know, to clearly give us a clear payout for only ONE Gem-Pack as any other LEGAL and HONEST organization can do easily. $ % Retail Price: ? 100% Wholesale Price: ? ? Retail Profit: ? ? Bonuses on group volume: ? ? Other overrides if any: ? ? Total PAYOUT: ? ? 12- Mr. Stephen Knight has been fired from the JJ international network of appraisers on beginning of November 2004, for ETHICS VIOLATION, as you can read CLEARLY on the Jewelry Judge's site at: http://www.jewelryjudge.net/SK.html 13- If you get caught, you could go to JAIL for 5 years and be fined up to $200,000. 14- With a criminal record, you will be unable to pass the customs to go to USA. 15- You will lose your friends, your credibility and your respectability. 16- If you're ready to work hard and put time and dedication in it, there is a lot of REAL good and legal opportunities out on the market. So... open your eyes BEFORE being caught in the TTI PYRAMIDAL and PONZI SCHEME!!! | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 245 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
For the record, TTI still continues to operate legally, ethically, and does indeed offer the opportunity to earn income through the sale of gemstones...in other words, not much has changed since the last time I was here. It also appears Dave still does not comprehend what network marketing is about, yet still continues to whine about how the government isn’t closing down this business…go figure! I don’t think the “Emperor” needs to worry about murdering any “whistle-blower” because there really is no “whistle” to be blown…instead, the “Emperor” is too busy laughing at the “court jester” who mistakenly believes he’s the “whistle-blower”. Dave, you’ve wasted quite a bit of time on a war you’ve already lost, and it still boggles my mind that you actually still believe you’re right. Perseverance, persistence, and determination can go a long way...but this just a bit overboard. Oh well, how you choose to waste your time is all up to you. I’m sure you’ll probably be successful at turning heads away from this business (of course that’s only assuming that, like yourself, people haven’t bothered to see for themselves the difference between network marketing and illegal pyramids, but in the end, your mathematical formulas remain inaccurate. BTW, has anybody managed to divide their two pies by one-half yet…I’m still trying to find the square-root of mine.  God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 759 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The mathematical formulas proving the fallibility of pyramid schemes including TTI that I post are not mine. These formulas are clearly recognized by law enforcement including the FBI and INTERPOLE and those who activity fight pyramid fraud throughout the world. The only reason TTI is not being closed down in Canada yet is due to the number of corrupt police, judges, lawyers and politicians involved in it. The threats are real. I have already looked down the barrel of a loaded police officer's gun and witnessed, in his eyes, the prejudice and hate of police exposed. I have also been "raked" through the court system several times on the perjured evidence of police and liars they were able to coerce, even otherwise decent people. The power of police to influence citizens testimony is enormous and is being revealed everyday as more and more people are being exonerated and released from jail due to tainted evidence induced, coerced and influenced by corrupt police. They would have little trouble, I surmise, enlisting you lot to lie to trump up more false charges. Call special OPP investigator Bill Sword Peterborough Ontario. Perhaps you can start a new conspiracy and cover-up. It is obvious you are morally bankrupt with no facts left that have not been torn to shreads with the truth. And again the simple truth is, without the completion of a sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above. You have nothing intellectual left to fight with. You must resort to nothing but your ridiculous and childish schoolyard bulling and ridicule tactics. The truth is out and the Emperor indeed has no clothes. Even that well recognized moral lesson in life taught for over a hundred years to children to enlighten them about hucksters like you lot, you treat with contempt and ridicule. You expose your own idiocy will little help from me!!! God Help You "Fake Truth" and Huckster Benny Hinn. You promoting TTI provide false hopes of Financial Independence, Hinn provides False Hopes to a young boy he will see again, and a 8 year old little girl with twisted legs she will walk again. Like you who make your predicable victims believe they are lazy losers, Hinn makes the unhealed children believe they are bad, lack enough faith, and do not love Jesus enough to be healed. After all Hinn posseses the power to heal them, it's their fault they are still crippled. It's enough to make decent people weep. You disgusting sick hucksters!!! P.S. What do you have to say about Phone Busters who are telling people it appears TTI is a pyramid and they quote from the CBC's story from Ottawa? (Message edited by gatordave on June 27, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 253 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
...and yet antoher excuse referencing corrupt government. So, perhaps the FBI and INTERPOLE must also clearly recognize that network marketing also can involve the growth through a pyrmid structure, otherwise Amway/Quixtar would've have been shut down years ago...just something you might want to ponder on...since you still don't get it. Sorry to add more fuel to the fire, but Dave it's so obvious you are wrong! Either accept it or keep wasting your time. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 767 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"TRUTH" (that is definitely "tongue in cheek"). Now, I can't figure out what you’re babbling about. Am way was apparently operating a pyramid or some other type of fraud and shut down like many other so-called network marketing companies. You appear to be trying to tell me most network marking is illegal fraud. And I agree, which incidently is the opinion of Robert FitzPatrick of Pyramid Fraud Alert who travels the world warning governments, appearing in court as a professional and appearing on T.V. Now what’s your point? You continually evade the simple fact that without the completion of any sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above. That’s it. Anything else is an addendum and pure B.S. And for that revelation, and the fact corrupt, police, government officials, politicians etc., and a Judge or two are involved in TTI and the former “WEW”pyramid I truly believe I will be killed or otherwise violently and unjustly injured or dealt with. And you still have not addressed the issue of Phone Busters passively warning citizens this is a pyramid and suggesting they not get involved. What about it? | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 261 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Seriously, do I really need to spell it out for you Dave? Come on now, if anyone here is babbling, it’s obviously you…there’s absolutely no doubt about that. I mean, you’ve been posting in this ridiculous forum for how many months now and time after time you’ve posted the same info you’ve posted months ago, and time after time you’ve continued to fail to bring down this legitimate organization that you claim to be an illegal pyramid fraud. You’re back at square one and you’re not making very much progress. You see, I’m not trying to evade anything, because in essence there really is nothing to hide. This business is out in the open for everyone to see, investigate, and understand….so regardless of whether you decide to continue to misinterpret the information presented to you, it really does not change the simple fact that this business really does follow all laws. So here’s your argument…”without the completion of any sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above.” Well Dave, let me ask you one simple question…when someone puts their $1200 towards the purchase of gemstones in this business, have they or have they not completed the purchase so that all they need to do is pick up the gemstones? This is a simple "Yes" or "No" answer, so we really don't need to post a 10 page essay. Now, if your response is “No, they must add another $600 plus taxes to complete the purchase.”…my reply will be “Dave, I'm sorry, wrong answer...look closer.” When you finally come to your senses and finally say to yourself, “Hey, would you look at that…a purchase is actually completed.” then we can continue. Until then, there really is no point moving forward because if you don’t understand this one simple aspect of the business, there is no possible way you’ll be able to understand it as a whole. We’ll go over how it is mathematically possible for a pyramid to go on forever and ever (and ever and ever and ever), when you’ve shown that you’re ready. God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 276 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
BTW, Amway is not out of business…but of course we know this is just one of the many lies you continue to post. You can visit their website at http://www.amway.com if you’d like to see for yourself. There’s also some info showing the difference between a business opportunity and a pyramid scheme there that you might wanna look at before you decide to continue pretending that you know what is legal and what isn’t…because the fact that this business is still operating really has nothing to do with the government being corrupt. The direct link to that page is: http://www.amway.com/en/BusOpp/business-opportunity-or-pyramid-scheme-10082.aspx God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 783 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
TTI is a pyramid ripping off young people and seniors and the unsuspecting as well as recuiting criminals who know exactly what it is about. And you are one sick bastard. And the fact remains racists OPP "blew away" Native Dudley George for protesting a land depute. I am protesting corruption within the Police, the Government and the Judiciary and the Law Society that knows full well my of their corrupt lawyers were and are involved in pyramid scams particularly “WEW”. Police on the instruction of government can "blow me away in an instant." That lesson is clear. And you may be right they may take the longer approach and file more false documents and false allegation forcing me into a mental institution as they did Howard Gowan a Saskatchewan farmer who complained of the theft of half dozen cows. Check the McDonald Enquiry into RCMP Wrongdoing and check www.injusticebusters.com . Ask your RCMP and government about that one. They don’t like questions about that one. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 284 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Now Dave, let's concentrate on the issue at hand rather than constantly referencing past occurrences that have no direct relation to TTI whatsoever. You've been doing that from the very beginning and it really has no bearing on this case. Sure, you can argue how this past incidences can repeat itself, but alternatively I can argue how other network marketing business are operating just fine and how those who have opposed these businesses are alive and kicking…so quit sidetracking our readers and stick to the topic. As for TTI ripping people off, that’s just another lie that is easily exposed. For everyone that comes into the business and successfully personally sells gempacks as intended while ensuring their team is doing the same, they will be seeing profit. The only people losing are those who are not doing the work required. Face it Dave, if these people aren’t successful at creating sales, they’re not gonna see a cent …this is clear with every business…that’s the bottom line. If you can give me an example of someone who is running their business exactly as TTI has explained and is creating sales, but has yet to see income, then maybe you have a case. But right now, all you’ve got to support your view are people who haven’t made sales according to plan…so really there is no argument there. End of story. Anyway, your answer to the question presented is still wrong so when you get it right we can discuss this further. Until then feel free to keep wasting your time here. If you want to continue babbling some more, feel free. Keeping you off the streets is probably safer for all of us anyway…including yourself. Have a good day Dave! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 791 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I agree lets just conscentrate on the issues. The answer to your question, NO! absolutely not. a recruit's purchase is not complete with the certificate. The recruit must be relieved of considerably more money to complete a purchase of relatively worthless gemstones. A recruit however, can burn the certificate, buy no product, and still play the pyramid board "sucking" in family and friend paying TTI $2600 evertime he/she "sucks" in 8 new victims. That is the very typical "naked" pyramid fraud. Your "smoke screen" product is unmasked and your are a devious LIAR! | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 799 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
“TRUTH” (sic) WROTE "We’ll go over how it is mathematically possible for a pyramid to go on forever and ever and ever and ever and ever, when you’ve shown that you’re ready. God bless. Now we get to it!! Just read that line over several times then read Orwell about the future government and the mind manipulators like “TRUTH” “We will torture you until you say 2x2=5. Then we will torture you until you believe it!!” That is this psychological “mind bending” LIAR that bills himself as the self proclaimed “TRUTH.” He will go over, and over, and over, a mathematical impossibility until you say it. Then continue until you believe it. In the meantime TTI boards are “stalling” all over Canada because of the true mathematical certainty that pyramid scams cannot possibly go on for ever, and ever, and ever, and ever. This LIAR should be locked up in jail for perpetrating this fraud on children, seniors and the unsuspecting, and enlisting other criminals who know the scam, or if he truly believes his own LIES HE should be lock in a mental facility to protect the innocent people he is infecting with this propaganda nonsense. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 289 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Come on Dave, you can barely understand 3 simple options at the back of the deposit receipt certificate to answer my simple "yes" or "no" question correctly...so you're obviously not ready to get into the mathematical part of it. And nice try labelling me as the liar when we can all seen who is lying here (Liar=GatorDave). Keep trying, you may get the answer right someday…and if you never get it right, don’t worry, we won’t think any less of you. Good luck buddy! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 808 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Either TTI or the government must be paying you heavily to keep you churning out your lying propaganda. You say "undersatnd"??? It's not a question of understanding I "see through" your LIES. You continually evade the simple fact that without the completion of any sale of any product anyone over the age of 16 (with consent) can pay $1200 for a position on the TTI “gameboard” and by recruiting 2 others get to the Captain’s position and collect $9600 from victims below until the pyramid collapses and all those at the bottom pay for the winners above. Now, is it or is it not possible for someone with $1200 to play the pyramid board constantly without ever completing the purchase of a gemstone? To complete the purchase of a gemstone requires more money and added tax or it is not a completed sale. Any rational truthful person knows that? You are simply a paid LIAR. P.S. by the way I see you do agree that the rest is in fact an option which I have maintained all along. You can play a naked pyramid which definitley requires $1200, but the purchase of any product is an option. An option, absolutly unnecessary. (Message edited by gatordave on June 28, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 298 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still clueless Dave? Ok, well I guess this 50/50 thing just isn’t working for you (good thing it wasn’t a multiple choice question…i.e. A,B,C and D). So since we can’t get passed this one simple question, let’s try another one related to the same area of discussion. From what I recall, there should be 3 options on the back of the purchase order deposit receipt certificates…pop quiz: What are the 3 options (verbatim) indicated? Feel free to use as many “lifelines” as you wish (I recommend staying away from the 50/50 lifeline though, cause…well, y’know...). This should help us understand how much you really know about this business (and trust me, this is the easy stuff). Also, neither TTI nor the government pays me to post here…nor do the corrupt cops, politicians, judges, lawyers, jail guards, government employees, government agents, teachers, accountants, doctors, babysitters, paperboys, disk jockeys, McDonald's crew members, Wal-Mart cashiers, Superstore rollerbladers, Dell computer helpdesk agents, car salesmen, Domo gas attendants, NBA basketball players, city street cleaners, auto mechanics, 7-eleven clerks, personal bankers, NASA astronauts, taxi drivers, financial advisors, travel agents, bar tenders, admin assistants, bus drivers, software developers, window washers, metal workers, seamstresses, professional skateboarders, supermodels, architects, project managers, marketing analysts, dieticians, university professors, warehouse managers, dog pound attendants, high school volleyball referees…etc. So accusing me of getting paid for what I write here is just another lie of yours exposed (but what else is new?). So, who pays you to lie consistently anyway? Take care Dave! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 818 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Your a LIAR and a manipulator, I will rely on those reading these threads to sort that out for themselves. You have the greatest weapon working for you. Few victims speak out and unfortunately many who lose don't even realize they have been scammed | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 311 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
In other words....you don't have the answer, do you? Enough said. I rest my case. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 821 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Your a LIAR and a manipulator, I will rely on those reading these threads to sort that out for themselves. You have the greatest weapon working for you. Few victims speak out and unfortunately many who lose don't even realize they have been scammed | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 314 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Well, the longer you keep up this little game of yours, the more obvious it is that you have much to learn. God bless. | ||
| gabe (gabe) New member Username: gabe Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.144.157.77 |
I see this discussion is still going on. I came here last fall, something like info_seeker, with an open mind. I also went to two TTI meetings. I ended up deciding against getting involved in TTI and am very glad I didn't. Zooming out and reflecting back, here are my reasons why I am very glad: 1. Keeping Self-Honesty For starters, one really needs to be honest about what the product is here. Out of all the thousands or however many TTI members there have been, how many handed over their money because they were interested in a green gem, or because they were interested in making money? I think it would be generous to say that almost nobody is in it to buy emeralds (maybe 1% or 2% to be highly generous), and almost everyone is in it to make money. How? By taking the money of new recruits who in turn want to do the same. Now, this first point alone is in flagrant violation of the spirit of the law in Canada, and for reasons clear in tragedies like Albania and Women Helping Women, should be stopped by law enforcement. The biggest reason why I see that the law hasn't been able to stop it yet is because the fact that people are in it for the money and hopes of recruiting, and not the emerald is a grey issue that has to be subjectively assessed, and there is no fast legal mechanism for some judge or someone to make this assessment. So the first, and small reason I'm glad I'm not in TTI is that this is on shaky ground with respect to law, and that it seems to skirt by the law on a technicality (and I hate to see good, meaningful laws circumvented by technicalities.) 2. More Honesty: Seeing through Rationalizations for justifying the unethical pursuit of greed a) Rationalization 1 The "product", or the enabler that makes this thing appear legal, is next to worthless to most people. One great point that we all seemed to miss was that, if you can buy an emerald for $1800, so can everybody else. Why would somebody buy your emeralds for $5000 when they can go to TTI and buy $5000 worth of emeralds for $1800? If you think you can sell these at a profit, think again. This is what TTI presentations lead one to believe, so in my books I chalk this up to false advertising and false hopes. I do not want to bring my friends and family to buy in to a deceptive presentation. b) Rationalization 2 TTI offers this emerald liquidation option, called Gotrading.net. The last time I looked at it, they require a fairly large amount of money to even sign up, and then they limit how much of your emeralds you can trade in per month, and many or most items require cash in addition to emeralds, and the selection of goods available is limited. These are major drawbacks as a liquidation option, and weren't really clear to me from the presentation until I looked into it. And I don't believe one can even browse GoTrading.net until they have information in the distributor pack, which costs $25. So you either have to buy $25 without all the info, or you find out it's not as good as you thought, after you already have a vested interest in it (even if only $25.) This is just one little mean thing about TTI that gets lost in the much bigger mean things. (Fortunately, I didn't have to buy a Distributor Pack to find this out.) c) Rationalization 3 If the above two methods of valuing the emerald don't work out for you, the third way of getting value from your $5000 emeralds, is to value them yourself, as in thinking "I really value these emeralds. I will keep them with me and treasure them." As an amateur psychologist, these three benefits of buying in: 1) sell your emerald at a profit, 2) trade at a profit on gotrading.net, 3) convince your mind that the stones you bought have intrinsic value; are all rationalizations to the real benefit of buying in: 1) get more people to buy in and you'll get $7000 cash. That's it. Can anyone honestly tell me that not the fundamental reason for TTI's existance? I don't think so. Those three options for getting value from your purpose are 1) rationalisations for the mind to fall back on, and 2) methods of skirting around the law, which are bolstered by the fact that so many people are willing to buy the rationalizations and convince the law, at face value, that a valuable product is being traded, because people legitimately want to buy the product (emeralds). 3. Saving my relationships from resentment In a post from another thread, jason_k wrote: "You are only as strong as your team and this is a team effort." This is true, both in life, and on the TTI game board. In real life, I like to have friends and family who support me and work for mutual gain and growth. In TTI, however, you have two kinds of "teammates": those who took your money, and those whose money you took (assuming you "work hard" and get people into playing the game). All appears fine and dandy if a) you recruit people who recruit people who recruit people who give you money, and b) all of these recruits also get their money. But even assuming all of this, and you and everyone in your little view of pyramid (called a game board) get their $7000, it doesn't end there. Far from it, it has only just begun. For each person who got their money, there are now 14 people hoping to get their money. In other words, you have taken your risk, and your liability, your unfulfilled hopes, and multiplied it many times (and in a way that these hopes will at some point in your downstream fall flat on their faces, making 32, 64, 512, or thousands of unhappy poorer people). For me, I do not want to be responsible for this kind of impact on society. In my humble opinion, which I am not forcing on anyone, is that it is hideous and malicious, and that it feeds off of peoples greed to suck them in, and get them to rationalize their behaviour to themselves. I don't want to hurt my friends! (And not strangers either.) Why would anyone? In short, I do not want to suck my friends and family into the hope of getting $7000, by buying some emeralds and then "working hard" to recruit two more people, who must then do twice as much "work" or be considered "lame and lazy" (another phrase that is really a malicious rationalizing mind virus by TTI), and so on until there are thousands of people who must recruit hundreds of thousands, who must recruit millions, who must recruit billions, and trillions, etc., of people, or else they are lame and lazy and shouldn't have gotten into it. Another Analogy Here is another analogy, perhaps somewhat more colourful, but maybe only on the surface. Imagine a new prison is built, and they fill it with 1000 people. One guy thinks to himself, if I can intimidate two people to work for me, and be my bitches, convincing them that if they accept this, they will have many of their own bitches, I can be the leader of a prison gang. So the gang grows to 3, 10, 30, 100, and it grows quite powerful and the guy at the top and his lieutenants get almost anything they want (I won't fill that in) in the prison, because of the power they have gained. The bottom 40 or 50 members of the gang don't really have any benefits, because they are basically slaves, worse than scum who do the bidding of those above, in hopes of recruiting people under them. Eventually, the gang tops off in the prison, say around 900 people (to be optimistic). The remaining 100 see no point in submitting to slavery to 900 superiors because the chance for achieving any kind of senority is so low. So the gang, at the end of the day, is left at 400-700 bottom feeders who lose out as they ultimately submit to the will of 5-20 gang leaders and 1 gang boss, and as a whole, the 1000 inmates are worse off than they would be if they didn't give something away in hopes for getting twice as much or more in return. While a different scenario, TTI works the same way. You concede to being a sucker once, or being one unit of 'sucker' in hopes that you can recruit two suckers (who do the same thing, a couple of iterations) to cancel out your one unit of sucker and then you get to cash in a whole bunch of sucker's concessions, because they hope to do the same later. At the end of the day, wealth is accumulated in the hands of a few, at the expense of many, and the losers vastly outnumber the winners. Even if you have become a winner in this game, you have created many more losers! I'm not shoving this down anyone's throat either (one has to face their own consciences) but for me, I could not handle the idea of seeing a few of my friends lose out on their hard-earned money, or a lot of their friends lose out, or a huge amount of their friends lose out on their money. This thing is a cancer in society, and it is immoral on two levels: 1) it deceives people into thinking they can get something when they probably can't (and at the end of the day, for most people, odds are they can't, you can't refute this) and 2) even if there was no deception, and all the odds were clearly presented, it would still be a tempting gamble to society. Number 1 is directly illegal and laws were made to try to prevent this kind of thing. As for 2, it is legal in certain situations. I am a Christian, and I believe gambling of this sort is unwise and that tempting people to gamble (or if you already have recruits lined up, to tempt twice as many people to gamble), is wrong, not something God does, and not something we should be a part of, knowing that if we win the game, and don't hurt ourselves financially, we will have created many more losers. I have seen and heard of many people's and families' lives ruined by gambling, and even met some homeless people who lost everything (money, relationships) to gambling, and I refuse to be a part of the problem. Our country has enough problems without people trying to make a quick buck off of 14 of their neighbours. What is the real cost of playing this game? There is a lot of money to be made, but nothing in life is free. Do you really know the expense? (Hint: It is not just a gamble of $1200 of money, nor is it just time and the work in recruiting, it is also peoples' lives: costing people their relationships, their financial health, their stress levels, their self-worth. Can you really afford this? Do you want to convince your friends and family to take on these expenses without knowing the dangers? Is any amount of money worth souring relationships once your recruits or their recruits figure out what they have gotten into?) My proposed list of bottom line facts: 1) If you don't mind winning at the guaranteed expense of 14 others (and providing incentive to people to expand that number exponentially), then TTI may be an excellent if not risky way of obtaining money. I'll keep it at one, because I think I have said enough. It seems to be a waste of time to argue with people who have decided in their hearts that it is ok to benefit at others' expense. What they really need is to look in their hearts and decide whether satisfying greed is more important than loving one's neighbour. I think the real issues, such as whether these stones are valuable at $5000 (how can they be if anyone can get them for $1800? Did we all fail economics?) is camouflaged by inner desires to rationalise a get rich quick scheme. Perhaps prayer would be more productive than heated debate. But overall, I still very much thank all the "anti-TTI" people for being pro-sanity, because people need to know the real truth about how pyramid schemes affect people, on the grand scale, and that not all is as it seems on the fun and exciting pirate ship. I came in neutral and wide eyed to this TTI thing but I'm leaving angry for a few reasons: for starters knowing how vulnerable I was in the charismatic TTI presentations, and also for knowing firsthand the kinds of effects this can have on people, and thirdly at the thought that such a thing exists and that my fellow Canadians and even Christians are propping up such a hideous beast when similar schemes have devastated many communities and even an entire nation. Now, I like getting money just like anyone, but if any part of the foundation of your business model is shaky, then you had better face the truth and be very certain that you want to proceed, and know how much you are rationalizing away, because some day and somehow, doing this kind of thing will catch up with you. For those truly looking for a blessing from God, here are some blessings and words of wisdom: "No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it." 1 Corinthians 10:13 "Dishonest money dwindles away, but he who gathers money little by little makes it grow." Proverbs 13:11 "But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well." Matthew 6:33 -Gabriel | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 824 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Thanks GABRIEL | ||
| gabe (gabe) New member Username: gabe Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.144.157.77 |
I thank you too dave. I wish there were more people in this country who cared about stopping injustice. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." As a country, we let our government get away with making billions of dollars disappear (I think the number is something like $9 bil just gone over the last decade) and we are letting pyramid schemers get away with robbing peter to pay paul on a grand scale. When will it stop? When will people care enough to do something? Sometimes things seem grim. Don't lose heart, Dave; our society really needs people to stand up for the truth. -Gabriel | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 826 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Thanks again Gabriel. This is the country eight years after the great pyramid schemes that wreacked havoc and 2000 deaths. Today Sunday July 3 2005 they go to the polls to elect a new government amid allegations of present corruption and the memories of the horrid pyramids schemes nearly a decade ago. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/03/international/europe/03albania.html? QUOTE "For Dr. Berisha, the election is seen as his last chance to return to power. Albania was plunged into chaos in 1997 under his government in the wake of a pyramid banking scandal that cost Albanians more than $1 billion in lost savings. Hundreds lost their lives as soldiers deserted their posts and people looted armories. An Italian-led force was sent to restore order." (Message edited by gatordave on July 03, 2005) | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 131 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Gabriel" - Nothing more to add than a big thanks for being on the side of the good folks! Respectfully... Bruce | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 837 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"HAPPY_WTH_TTI" wrote..... "Your the only one trying to be deceptive here GatorDave. You never in your 700 posts pointed out something illegal with TTI." The whole thing is illegal and is pointed out quite accurately by the RCMP on their website and dozens more websites. But like the “WEW” pyramid fraud that everyone now knows and agrees was illegal, the corrupt Government refused to close them down for nearly four years until the corrupt judges wives, lawyers, politicians, school board officials, doctors, accountants, people in the media, church ministers, etc., etc., had their pockets full of money at which point they prosecuted a few token “lambs to slaughter” (a farmers wife, a widow etc.,) then TTI was immediately started to fill the void so these corrupt government officials, police etc., could continue. In fact it wasn’t until the "fraud virus" entered the US and and really “ticked off” State Attorneys General that the Canada Government reluctantly closed it down. This is simply a re-run of the same corruption. Now, as you well know I am the only Canadian who has thoroughly researched this and has named corrupt police, politicians, school board officials, lawyers, people in the media and the Law Society of Upper Canada etc. And you must realize too that I am going to be killed just as surely as Dudley was for attempting to expose this and do something about it. I can only hope that someone in the world news media, or other power will stumble over this site and step in here and expose this to the masses, or the victims will have the courage to unite and complain on mass, otherwise I fear I will be killed. You think this is all a joke. Either you are ignorant as to what goes on in this county, and content to keep yourself that way, or you are knowingly part of the corruption. http://www.artspan.com/forums/read.php?f=6&i=134&t=134 P.S. No one yet has given a satisfactory answer as to why TTI has not taken this corruption into the U.S. Remember another TTI hollow promise they would open there last October? Months ago I reported this to the FBI, several State Attorneys General and opened a file with the FTC. So I'm still waiting to see if TTI is going to try to tap the largest market close to home, where crooks go to jail for up to 20 years for this kind of fraud. By the way Kippax how much time you get the last time for weapon's, drugs, and assault? And therein lies a good reason for me to believe with your millions, Kippax you can now pay someone to do your dirty work instead of personally assaulting or worse. You have the best on your side. Your have corrupt vicious cops. In the news recently one of the night club owners or associate in Toronto was found dead and it was reported there is reason to believe cops were involved. Certianly police have been threatening, intimidating and assulting people. That I have already experienced first hand, along with face to face threats from your Captains, Kippax. (Message edited by gatordave on July 04, 2005) | ||
| happy_with_tti (happy_with_tti) New member Username: happy_with_tti Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.95.164.169 |
So what you basically are saying GatorDave is TTI is as corrupt as all the judges wives, lawyers, politicians, school board officials, doctors, accountants, people in the media, church ministers, and police officers who assault people at random. Phew..... I was starting to get worried there. Once again..from a Captain's stand point, I've never been so happy with this company and there tightening up on compliance. Everything in this company is very squeeky clean. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 845 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You seem to have gotten it, “HAPPY_WITH_TTI” albeit facetiously. It is a matter of record “WEW” pyramid was illegal. Token people were prosecuted even a token former politician’s wife and two daughters in the Durham Region. The names of the active politicians were covered-up like the example of the criminal activity of former Mayor Lastman’s wife. Frederick Wilson a dirty deceptive lawyer from Kincardine testified his wife was involved in “WEW”. (that’s fact and that’s on the record). She and at lest seven more prominent citizens although thoroughly investigated by OPP special investigator Bill Sword were never charged nor their names exposed. Even the investigation into the Kincardine Corruption by Sword was kept from the citizens of Kincardine and Canada. The general public were never informed that Sword had even been to Kincardine investigating these high profile people. I am the only person in Canada who has dared reveal this special investigation by corrupt OPP and the names of those involved including OPP Officer Bill Sword (gutless corrupt crime-covering-up-news media included). So, much for the proof of the corruption of police, lawyers, judges and politicians etc. And even a dirty slimy thieving Crown Attorney. And now to address your remarks about police random assaults. The court record of cases over the decades already adjudicated and investigations and Royal Commissions into police wronging, and wrongful deaths, involvement with organized crime, drugs, extortion theft etc.; the specific inquiry into the shooting death of Native Dudley George, resulting in the conviction of an OPP officer, the wrongful death of the 18year-year-old Native in Saskatoon in which police were convicted and are serving time in jail, and any number of police crimes in Canada that would keep you reading for a years full time proves my simple truth that police not only assault people at random, as you have in fact now seem to grasp, but also target individuals and “set up” situations with anything from brute force, false police reports, false rumours and perjury to cover-up and distract from their involvement in crime. Now, “HAPPY_WITH_TTI” you impress me as someone who has no idea what is going on in your country and it appears to me you seldom read news. Today Wednesday July 06 2005 Toronto Star page B2.... Quote... “The Toronto Court of Appeal has decided a former Crown Attorney who stole $48,355 from a memorial scholarship fund can serve part of his sentence under house arrest....” His name Bryan Davies One can only imagine how many young people, street people and the homless this slim has successfully prosecuted for petty shoplifting and theft under 200 bucks. Image stealing from a Memorial Fund. Why don’t you recruit this piece of slim and show him how to rip off just ordinary children, seniors, singles mothers, along side of corrupt judges, politicians and image even teachers, lawyers, police etc. who have, up to now, maintained the combined power to keep their thefts by fraud out of the courts and the newspapers. So, It should be apparent to anyone reading these posts that TTI criminals and its genuinely “brainwashed” are simply attempting to deny the undeniable, or as “VOICE” has pointed out “tell a lie long enough” and people will believe it....However...... “Truth can never be told so as to be understood, and not be believed. William Blake, The Proverbs of Hell” “Truth suppressed, whether by courts or crooks, will find an avenue to be told. Sheila Steele www.injusticebusters.com And that's what this whole thing is a suppression of the truth by courts, crooks, and media" | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 851 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
HERE WE GO AGAIN Ordinary citizens charged with fraud but without ties to the elite, the government or the judiciary will have their names published in the news. Who is this unnamed Calgary Cop charged with Pyramid Fraud. Is he/she the token sacrificed cop in another "secret hoard of them" in this pyramid like the other pyramid frauds permeating Canada promoted by corrupt judges, politicians, police etc., And will he/she get the "golden slap on the wrist" and the "wink wink" by another corrupt judge if this cop’s case ever gets to court. And in Calgary or anywhere if anyone out there has any information of a rats nest of cops or the like email me at www.gatoraid@sympatico.ca I'll publish this one's name or any other. Perhaps we will eventually expose a corrupt Judge. Maybe that corrupt London Ontario Judge. Has anyone the courage to give me his/her name? How about you big mouth “VOICE” or you “b.s TRUTH” you’re supposed to be running a legal (lol) pyramid according to your criminal president so why wouldn’t you want the country to know the name of one of your most (lol) credible and prestigious distributors -a judge-. I already published the retired OPP crook’s name in London CHUCK DOORE!! London Ont is a real “cess-pool” of high profile pyramid freaks. In the “WEW” fraud none were criminally exposed nor names published by the corrupt London Free (lol) Press or TV . (One of the top (over $100,000) fraud freaks Mhaira Walsh's husband is an employee of London TV Mike Walsh) Check out the Calgary Cop and the pyramid!!! http://www.am770chqr.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428109912&rem=13242&red=80110923aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm gatordave P.S. My so-called fantastic stories that “VOICE” and “b.s- TRUTH” repeatedly tell readers are lies, are certainly gaining credibility in the wake of convictions of cops for killing citizens, “railroading” them into mental institutions” threatening and extorting club owners, politicians for shoplifting, police for running pyramid frauds, a Crown Attorney for stealing from a memorial fund etc., etc., and these are only the tiny few on the tip of the giant iceberg of corruption that fell threw the well protected “net of deceit” that is our judicial system and had to be reluctantly exposed or semi-exposed. “Truth suppressed, whether by courts or crooks, will find an avenue to be told. Sheila Steele” www.injusticebusters.com | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 860 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The cops name is KIRK McCALLUM. It was in fact published (unlike Ontario) from an earlier broadcast. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 866 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
THIS IS TTI CLEAR AND SIMPLE http://www.cockeyed.com/ebay/scam/laptop_pyramids.html | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 873 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
In the news today July 11 2005. ..... Comments from the election in Albania last Sunday. http://news.ft.com/cms/s/4ca97c46-f1a7-11d9-9c3e-00000e2511c8.html “He resigned the presidency eight years ago amid turmoil caused by the collapse of five fraudulent pyramid savings schemes whose investors included half the cabinet and most finance ministry employees.” 5 schemes collapsed the entire country. And look who were involved! Anyone who believes, contrary to the revelation of names and positions posted by both pro and con TTI on this board that this is not happening with corrupt police, even (Barry Elliot) in the Phone Busters program, politicians, and other government people, and those corrupt officials attract, simply have chosen to "close their eyes and hold their noses". See no evil and smell no corruption. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 881 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Another Pyramid Suicide. Only thankfully it was the perpetrator rather than another "brain washed" victim who got family and friends involved. "Drama around convicted swindler ends in suicide Aftenposten - Oslo, Norway ... until his financial empire fell like a house of cards amidst fraud charges ... swindled fromangry creditors, both in the 1980s and in alleged pyramid schemes just ...... Continues" http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1078902.ece p.s. Wonder if he had a prior record of assault, drugs and weapons" | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 888 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
This is from the Dudley George Inquiry "In his ruling, Judge Fraser said he rejected Deane's testimony that he shot at an armed man preparing to fire on his fellow officers. The judge found Deane knew Dudley George was unarmed and then "concocted a story ... in an ill-fated attempt to disguise the fact that an unarmed man was shot." He also rejected testimony from two other officers, deeming it "fabricated." http://www.monitor.net/monitor/free2/ipperwash.html That is what the police and my government in Ontario are capable of. It is a classic example of the corrupt perjuring Ontario Provincial Police fabricating evidence as they did, and are doing to me. I have never owned gun, I dislike guns, but police have now caused false information stating I had a gun to be put in official files. All that is necessary is that police shoot me and put a gun in my vehicle. It's as easy as finding a person police know is a liar and willing to file a false report then give perjured evidence in court that "I threatened to rape my estranged wife." which is exactly what the OPP Officer did. It is corrupt OPP offer Bill Sword who was at the Dudley George shooting and who also investigated then covered up for the police officers relatives and politicians etc. involved in the "WEW" pyramid fraud and now refusing to do anything about the police,the judge, lawyers etc., involved in the TTI fraud. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 895 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
This is what the US military is doing to combat crooks like Kippax with their complicated double-talking pyramid frauds and "GO-Trading" schemes. "New program helps enlisted troops fight fraud San Diego Union Tribune - San Diego,CA,USA ... These include fraudulent Individual Retirement Account investments, Ponzi and pyramid schemes, illegal securities sales, Internet fraud and what is called ...cont http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20050714-1014-bn14taps.html And charges filed against other Chief of Police for fraud and breach of duty in another pyramid fraud that saw citizens bilked for millions. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/599787.html | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 224 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
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| voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason) Intermediate Member Username: voice_of_reason Post Number: 192 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.158.48.216 |
You know, it just occurred to me that this scam has been going on unquestioned for over 6 months… Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 10:36 pm: WMMW WROTE: “To all Pro-TTI zealous--- Like I said before, I will be pleased to get a Foundation Chart to help victims of TTI and its Captains, along with other similar pyramidal schemes. Normally, a big lawyers office is charging between $10,000 and $12,000 CAN for such a Chart. I will get it without charging anything for my work, only my out-of-pocket expenses, around $300 CAN. I will be happy to do that for free, in order to help all honest people on this board to get rid of craps such as TTI.” Posted on Monday, January 31, 2005 - 7:55 pm: DAVE WROTE: “TO: WMMW Opened my mail the other day and there was my first cheque for $200 for the non profit organization. I had an email today and a few more bucks are coming and I can make up the difference myself. How can I get the money to you. I forget what your email is under. I thought I had it but please let me know as quick as possible these people really want to get involved. Please tell me what else I require.” THEN, WMMW POSTS THE SAME MESSAGE AGAIN 6 MONTHS LATER: Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 11:46 am: “To all- My offer to create a Foundation in order to help victims of pyramidal frauds is still on the table. Normally, I'm charging $3,500 CAN to set up such a Foundation. Big lawyers offices charge $10000-$12000 CAN for the same work. I will be glad to contribute only for the cost of my out of pocket expenses, $300 CAN, since I would really like to help pyramidal frauds victims by giving them a powerful tool to use.” AND DAVE REPLIES, Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 8:51 pm: “How about it? Are we going to take "WMMW" up on his offer and do something or are you going to lose your money and allow this scamm to be passed to others? Many just students and young people desperate for money. I can't fight it alone. But you do have good cause and there is already president law backing you up. Those who are sending me direct emails need to get on this site or at least help get an organization going. dave email gatoraid@sympatico.ca” NOW WHAT PRAY TELL HAPPENED TO THE FIRST CHEQUE FOR $200, PLUS THE REST THAT WAS COMING?? I was seriously thinking about donating to the cause until I came across Daves post of January 31, where he brags about the money rolling in. Now it seems to have disappeared, and alas, still no “foundation”. Talk about scams and frauds. I believe this IS WORTH REPORTING TO THE POLICE. I wonder how much money Dave and Wmmw have skimmed from unaware people thinking they were donating to a good cause…. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 918 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
“VOICE_OF_REASON”......... let's dissect that. There you go again you “brainwashing” word twisting filthy liar. The truth is people will give thousands individually and even billions collectively, to filthy “brainwashing” scammers like you, but for some reason will not help victims, even victims of our criminal system. I couldn’t raise a dime on my website for Jamie Nelson 3 ½ years in jail for a rape he did not commit, and his child adopted out while in jail. I really thought my fellow Canadians would come through for him. I honestly and truly believed even you would set aside our animosity and send Jamie, who has absolutely nothing to do with me or TTI some money directly and encourage others to do the same if you didn’t trust me to pass any or all of it on to him. I just wanted to see him get a bit of Justice so he could repair some of the damage done to his life. He so deserves it, and Canadians could have done that with only a couple of bucks from a large enough group. It is so simple, and his unjust conviction is so outrageous and sad. Now, b.s. “VOICE” nowhere did I brag “about money rolling in.” I wrote the truth as is contained in your pasted quote from me.... “I had an email [that’s one] today and a few more bucks [I belive $40] are coming and I can make up the difference myself....." I did not indicate, as your write in your word-twisting exaggerated filthy lies, “I came across Daves post of January 31, where he brags about the money rolling in.” You dirty, filthy, fork-tongued exaggerating lying snake. I find it so hard to believe that unrelenting scum like you with that kind of brain and thoughts actually exist. That lone donation I thought was coming didn’t. Maybe it was lost in the mail. I had to use some else’s mailing address since I was unjustly thrown out of my town. Who knows. But, after my pleas for Jamie Nelson, I knew money wasn’t going to be “rolling in”, and did not try to mislead anyone into thinking that is was. I posted the exact truth plain and simple. I simply begged for donations. Those again are your twisted words from an equally twisted mind. Now, do you really think Bruce, that this Pr–k is just like other ordinary folk just trying to get by making a few honest bucks and raising a family???? do you really????!!! Now, The reason I was unable to get the foundation going was because I could not get two other people to serve as I understood was required to have the foundation registered. Then your evil twisted mind wrote "NOW WHAT PRAY TELL HAPPENED TO THE FIRST CHEQUE FOR $200, PLUS THE REST THAT WAS COMING?? As for the $200 cheque I received, I refused to cash it until I knew for certain I had the required two other people for the foundation. I had absolutely no intention of touching the money unless all of it went to the cause I represented. Then on July 20th “WMMW” posted his offer again. I sent him an email to see how we could possibly do this. He said he could take care of the two other people I needed and they could be changed later if someone else volunteered to replace them. Then I took the check from my drawer to send to “WMMW” and discovered it was 3 days “stale dated”.... January 17th 2005. I then attempted to contact the person at the company who issued the cheque to see if he was still interested in participating. He is in Europe and unavailably until Aug. Now, you Pr–k if you will agree, and I will take you at your word, to pay the cost of me swearing an affidavit before a Justice of the Peace or Commissioner of Oaths and I will send you a copy so sworn by said person of authority that the copy is a true copy of the original check. Or if you wish to pay my expenses to meet you, or you wish to meet me, where I am, I will show you the actual check, or you can meet me at a police station of you choosing and you can report me to police at the same time for running a scam as you have threatened, and you and they can see the original check. As I wrote before, a lie is easy, it’s the truth that takes explaining Now report to police I am running a scam. I dare you.... I dare you.... you piece of scum. Now, I revealed far easier ways requiring “no proof what-so-ever” to get innocent men and citizens even for exercising their right of free speech arrested or shot dead by filthy liars and filthy perjuring criminal cops.. Why not go for one of those you Pr–k. And that’s why I find it easy to imagine you are dirty filthy lying cop. The same mindset the same M.O. That’s exactly how they twist, exaggerate, and distort every truthful thing a victim says and falsify tangible evidence . How they can take a picture of damage which has obviously been done years before, lie about a pristine lock saying in their opinion it was forced, then plant a screwdriver and a pry-bar or let someone else do it, then take a picture of the tools and scratches on the inside of a door making it look like the outside, to trump up evidence of a break and enter then find some lying piece of scum like you to file a false “rape threat”, that they already know to be a lie, all to get a person unjustly convicted and why? To cover-up the fact their relatives, friends, corrupt lawyers, politicians, etc., were promoting a pyramid fraud and bilking thousands of innocent people for millions upon millions of dollars. Now, are you satisfied as to what happened to the cheque and the hoards of money you allege I misappropriated or would you like to follow through with my other suggestions you anoyomous sniping Pr–k.????. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 321 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still operating with no government intervention...LEGAL. Facts are facts! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 948 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The simple answer to "FALSE TRUTH’S" question is that any RCMP officer regardless of their beliefs and evidence will tell you it is not their responsibility. The RCMP in Calgary after their initial investigation which convinced them TTI should be investigated as an illegal pyramid, passed their investigation to Industry Canada. The RCMP don’t care how illegal TTI is, they will tell you it is out of their jurisdiction unless they are specifically called upon to conduct an in depth investigation. So, we are back to Industry Canada which uses the excuse “there are so many fraudulent pyramid schemes out there we are unable to enforce the law.” (There is no excuse however, not to at least adequately inform the public so they are aware.) Now readers, this huckster billing himself as “TRUTH” does not want you to get anywhere near the truth. Call RCMP Officer Corporal Roussel Fraud Division 403-292-6923 I’m sure he will verify that the RCMP does not simply conclude these scams are illegal then close them down. That is what this anonymous crook would have you believe, and in the absence of such action then proves TTI is legal. As I have maintained all along he is a word twisting fact twisting liar. What he tries to get you to “swallow” is so far from the truth it is ridiculous and laughable. Ask this huckster who he is. This is the first thing you should ask him before you consider believing a word he says. Remember “CONSIDER_IT” he finally identified himself as Rob Moore from northern Alberta explaining his reasons and motives for supporting TTI as well as some of his reservations. It was he on departing this forum who stated on Jan. 08 2005 @ 1:52 pm “Oh, and “MAKE_7000" , You’re an asshole.” I would be genuinely interested in his views and observations of anyone he knows that got involved with TTI months ago. For the sake of truth. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 955 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
TO ALL I just got off the phone with Corporal Roussel of the RCMP He says that the natter was passed to Corporal McDonald then to Industry Canada. Now, although Roussel agrees that the mere fact TTI says the RCMP are not closing down TTI does not make them legal, he is really pissed off about the whole thing and as I said he doesn’t give a damn if TTI is legal or not or if TTI distributors tell the world they have the approval of the Better Business Bureau and have the backing of Industry Canada as some have done, and he could care less if the family in Mississauga is ripped off for $8000 or anyone else for matter including 16 year old children and seniors. He is pissed off I even brought this to his attention and slammed the phone on me. But the truth is because the RCMP doesn’t close TTI down does not make them legal. Call these RCMP Officers and ask them. 403-292-6923. They are the servants of the people and you have the right to ask them questions on law enforcement. So, although it’s a filthy lie that TTI is legal because the RCMP are not closing them down, it is me who is going to be killed by police if I don’t keep my mouth shut. The classic and literal case of “shoot the messenger.” Dudley George, “lest we forget.” . You see readers and Bruce Audley, this is how the Canadian Systems works to deny knowledge of “white collar crime” and political corruption to the average citizens who do not have special friends in the Attorney General’s Department.. dave. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 329 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Or perhaps it's really just legal....simple as that. ...but I guess your story sound much more exciting...we'll take it! So when should we start evacuating this corrupt country that we live in? God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 967 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
For you corrupt individuals. The sooner the better. And I'm hoping your victims will join together to give you the needed boost. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 337 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Sounds good! We'll follow your lead! Please take us to the place that does not have a corrupt government (by your definition). Remember, Canada and UK are totally out of the picture...it appears Amway, a network marketing business that grows in a pyramid structure, is allowed in Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, United States, Uruguay, Venezuela, Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom, China, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Australia, Brunei, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand...so we'll probably wanna avoid those places too. Our options are a bit limited, but if/when you find a government that doesn’t allow these filthy pyramid businesses, why don’t you go ahead, and we’ll catch up to ya in a bit. Thanks a bunch...and may the Force be with you Gatorman! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 976 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You sure sound desperate, but, glad you're finally waking up to reality and finally in agreement with me. All governments are riddled with corruption ours included. Now we have clearly established that after over a year of denial, that's why it is up to right minded citizens in every country to take a stand against corruption like you by keep plucking the rotten apples from the barrel to protect what’s left. I don’t want to leave, I simple want our country to be cleaner, and if we can help other countries maybe we can have a cleaner world. If you corrupt scum would just leave this country voluntarily all the better. At least one country would be closer to ideal. | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 231 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
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| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 342 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
So now it’s NOT JUST the Canadian government that you believe it’s corrupt…it’s ALL OF THE GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD? Sorry if I sound rude, but that is the absolute most ridiculous piece of fiction you’ve come up with so far (ok, maybe some of your other stories might be a bit more ridiculous, but this falls somewhere at the top of the charts). No seriously…you are joking right? I mean, you actually don’t believe all these numerous countries ALL OVER THE WORLD are in conspiracy to protect the existence of what you believe to be illegal pyramids. I think it’s safe to conclude at this point that you are TRULY CRAZY…actually, it was safe to conclude that a long time ago, but if you actually believe that the opinions of a single man such as yourself are far greater than the laws created by governments around the world, then I think it’s not the world that is wrong and it’s really just you. It doesn’t take a math expert, lawyer, or gemstone professional to figure that out…all it takes is some common sense. Since it’s pretty obvious your mission to bring down all these governments will result miserable failure, I might as well say it to you now…”I told you so!”  God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Advanced Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 985 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Now B.S. “TRUTH”, First your anonymous secondly, your ridiculous. Here you go again setting up your own straw men then knocking your own B.S. You are absolutely ridiculous. I am not trying to bring any government down. It is your criminal element trying to do that as they successfully accomplished in Albania. I am simply and obviously trying to my part to clean it up. These facts are not something I made up. They are from the websites of the CIA, FBI, Interpol, Scotland Yard etc., etc., and echoed by ethical politicians worldwide and the IMF. I’m simply revealing these facts and the source., You ridiculous anonymous “white collar criminal.” Do reader see that it is these people law enforcement around the world are warning us about? You were pretty good there for a while, before the predictable truth began to immerge. Your now feeble attempts to confuse readers are just getting too transparent. It sounds like you are tying to tell us there is NO CORRUPTION IN GOVERNMENTS lol. Just like there’s no corruption in TTI. Still lol. You are a joke!! | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 241 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.136.39 |
To ALL Be very, very careful about smooth talkers like Voice and the other one calling himself The truth. FACTS-FACTS-FACTS-PROOFS-PROOFS-PROOFS 1- TTI has no positive opinion letter from Industry Canada or Federal authorities, binding on the Commissioner, that they can show you and us. Why? If they are so sure their system is legal, why not asking for such an opinion letter as other REAL and ETHICAL MLM companies do BEFORE going on the market? Such a TTI favourable letter, from the Commissioner, would have the clear and fast effect of shutting all of us, the ANTI TTI people. We challenge all Pro TTI people to come to this room with a copy of such a letter. 2- TTI is claiming to be an honest MLM company but is not a DSA or MLMIA member that represent REAL MLM companies. http://www.dsa.ca - http://dsa.org - http://www.mlmia.org - http://mlmlegal.com . TTI is not a DSA member since it would imply Mr. Kippax to be binded personally. Mr. Kippax could NOT hide himself BEHIND the corporate veil as he is doing right now with TTI. 3- TTI has a buy-back policy of 10 days for its customers and distributors, which is against the industry practices, they are claiming to be in, with MLM companies, that have a minimum of 90%-90 days and 1 year one up to an illimited period for all DSA members, for their DISTRIBUTORS wanting to end their relationship with a specific company, due to the specific nature of the MLM business. Feel free to check the Federal Government presentation, supporting ANTI TTI (CROOKS) claims at: http://mmprodnt.ic.gc.ca/mmpub/competitionbureau/content/language_select_noframe.html For the buy-back policy, just go to Slide 8, in Set TWO, and Slides 5-6-7 in SET THREE. 4- You have to wait for 14 members to be on your team BEFORE receiving your $500 on your first sale, $500 on your second one, and $6000 on your group: 2 + 4 + 8, for a total of $7000. 5- That means that you're paid for sponsoring, which is totaly ILLEGAL. If you don't sponsor, you get nothing save papers (certificates). You still have to GIVE a lot of money to TRY to trade your certificates with Go Trading, that is a totally newcomer on the market and is not known by the industry. In fact, Gotrading registered their domain name on March 30, 2004. You can check GoTrading is a REAL newcomer on the Whois site displaying the following info about them: "Domain GOTRADING.NET Date Registered: 3/30/2004 Date Modified: 10/26/2004 Expiry Date: 3/30/2005 DNS1: ns.gotrading.net DNS2: ns.gotrading.net Registrant 2024583 Ontario Limited 181 Greenwood Ave Toronto, ON (CA) M4L 2P8 Administrative Contact GOtrading.net Marketing Manager 439 King St W, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103476qqmt@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Technical Contact GOtrading.net Tech Support 439 King St w, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103478mcmk@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Registrar: Namescout.com" 6- Go to any jewellery store in your area and ask them if they would even accept to buy your TTI stones. 7- If TTI ceases its activities at any point in time, TTI will not have the money to pay ALL of its distributors since it is depending on newcomers to pay the CAPTAINS. 8- Only 1 out of 15 will be paid, the CAPTAINS. 9- 14 out of 15 will lose their money. 10- Most of them will be left with pieces of paper with the only paper value. 11- Pro TTI people have been unable, up to know, to clearly give us a clear payout for only ONE Gem-Pack as any other LEGAL and HONEST organization can do easily. $ % Retail Price: ? 100% Wholesale Price: ? ? Retail Profit: ? ? Bonuses on group volume: ? ? Other overrides if any: ? ? Total PAYOUT: ? ? 12- Mr. Stephen Knight has been fired from the JJ international network of appraisers on beginning of November 2004, for ETHICS VIOLATION, as you can read CLEARLY on the Jewelry Judge's site at: http://www.jewelryjudge.net/SK.html 13- If you get caught, you could go to JAIL for 5 years and be fined up to $200,000. 14- With a criminal record, you will be unable to pass the customs to go to USA. 15- You will lose your friends, your credibility and your respectability. 16- If you're ready to work hard and put time and dedication in it, there is a lot of REAL good and legal opportunities out on the market. So... open your eyes BEFORE being caught in the TTI PYRAMIDAL and PONZI SCHEME!!! | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 349 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still legal and still running... God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 249 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.136.39 |
Truth- Please, call Industry Canada 800-348-5358 and ask for Dominique Dion. They have totally denounced and refuted your propaganda b.s., b.s. “TRUTH”. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 362 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.42.80.225 |
Still perfectly legal... God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 275 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.134.66 |
To ALL FACTS-FACTS-FACTS-PROOFS-PROOFS-PROOFS 1- TTI has no positive opinion letter from Industry Canada or Federal authorities, binding on the Commissioner, that they can show you and us. Why? If they are so sure their system is legal, why not asking for such an opinion letter as other REAL and ETHICAL MLM companies do BEFORE going to the market? Even after many requests from us, we have seen NO PROOFS up to now, NOTHING... Such a TTI favourable letter, from the Commissioner, would have the clear and fast effect of shutting all of us, the ANTI TTI people. We challenge all Pro TTI people to come to this room with a copy of such a letter. You will see babbling and nice tries of shutting us, but nothing save trying to discredit and shut us by any means. 2- TTI is claiming to be an honest MLM company but is not a DSA or MLMIA member that represent REAL MLM companies. http://www.dsa.ca - http://dsa.org - http://www.mlmia.org - http://mlmlegal.com . TTI is not a DSA member since it would imply Mr. Kippax to be binded personally, as the president of TTI. Mr. Kippax could NOT hide himself BEHIND the corporate veil as he is doing right now with TTI. 3- Check the Better Business Bureau Report, about TTI, at: http://www.bbbmwo.ca/commonreport.html?bid=1080830 Like usual with their VICTIMS, no answer!!! 4- TTI has a buy-back policy of ONLY 10 days for its customers and distributors, which is against the industry practices, they are claiming to be in. Honest MLM companies have a minimum of 90%-90 days and 1 year one up to an illimited period for all DSA members, for their DISTRIBUTORS wanting to end their relationship with a specific company, due to the specific nature of the MLM business. Feel free to check the Federal Government presentation, supporting ANTI TTI claims at: http://mmprodnt.ic.gc.ca/mmpub/competitionbureau/content/language_select_noframe.html For the buy-back policy, just go to Slide 8, in Set TWO, and Slides 5-6-7 in SET THREE. 5- You have to wait for 14 members to be on your team BEFORE receiving your $500 on your first sale, $500 on your second one, and $6000 on your group: you recruit 2 that recruit 4 (2 each) that recruit 8 (2 each), for a total of 14 members (victims). Then and only then you get your $7000. You depend on the newcomers to get your own money, which is TOTALLY ILLEGAL. 6- That means that you're paid for sponsoring, which is totaly ILLEGAL. If you don't sponsor, you get nothing save papers (certificates). You still have to GIVE a lot of money to TRY to trade your certificates with Go Trading or otherwise. Go Trading is a totally newcomer on the market and is not known by the industry. Go Trading is a FAKE. In fact, Gotrading registered their domain name on March 30, 2004. You can check GoTrading is a REAL newcomer on the Whois site displaying the following info about them: "Domain GOTRADING.NET Date Registered: 3/30/2004 Date Modified: 10/26/2004 Expiry Date: 3/30/2005 DNS1: ns.gotrading.net DNS2: ns.gotrading.net Registrant 2024583 Ontario Limited 181 Greenwood Ave Toronto, ON (CA) M4L 2P8 Administrative Contact GOtrading.net Marketing Manager 439 King St W, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103476qqmt@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Technical Contact GOtrading.net Tech Support 439 King St w, 4th F Toronto (CA) M5V 1K4 4166448720 D-103478mcmk@usersa3.domainsatcost.ca Registrar: Namescout.com" 7- Go to any jewellery store in your area and ask them if they would even accept to buy your TTI stones. You could also go on EBay and "discover" you can buy a lot of TTI "treasures" for pennies in the dollar. What a deal!!! 8- If TTI ceases its activities at any point in time, TTI will not have the money to pay ALL of its distributors since it is depending on newcomers to pay the CAPTAINS, which is a clear sign for a non-ending chain, TOTALLY ILLEGAL. 9- Only 1 out of 15 will be paid, the CAPTAINS. 10- 14 out of 15 will lose their money. In fact there is thousands and thousands of LOSERS, all over the country, trying to get their money back. In fact, there is 6.66 winners and 93.33 LOSERS for each slice of 100 people joining this SCAM, the CAPTAINS. We have seen the most courageous VICTIMS coming to this board and being ridiculised by "A H" like Voice, the one calling himself "God...", "Pickled Brains"and Make 7000 that himself quitted a "so good opportunity"... 11- Most of the VICTIMS will be left with pieces of paper, with their only paper value, or nothing at all. They are said and encouraged to get more "VICTIMS" to cover their losses and recover their money. 12- Pro TTI people have been unable, up to now, to clearly give us a clear payout for only ONE, only 1 Gem-Pack, as any other LEGAL and HONEST organization can do easily. $ % Retail Price: ? 100% Wholesale Price: ? ? Retail Profit: ? ? Bonuses on group volume: ? ? Other overrides if any: ? ? Total PAYOUT: ? ? NOBODY from pro TTI promoters never answered clearly to that simple request, which is easily answered by any normal and honest company. 13- Mr. Stephen Knight, the TTI OFFICIAL appraiser, has been fired from the JJ international network of appraisers on beginning of November 2004, for ETHICS VIOLATION, as you can read CLEARLY on the Jewelry Judge's site at: http://www.jewelryjudge.net/SK.html . Read the letter from the international president of Jewelry Judge International. 14- In Canada, if you get caught, promoting an ILLEGAL pyramidal scheme, such as TTI, you could go to JAIL for 5 years and be fined up to $200,000 CAN. IN USA, it's a lot more than that, explaining CLEARLY why TTI has not started yet in the United States, as promised, fearing to be caught fast and go to jail for many years. 15- With a criminal record, such as Allan Kippax's one, you will be unable to pass the customs to go to USA. 16- You will lose your friends, your credibility and your respectability. 17- If you're ready to work hard and put time and dedication in it, there is a lot of REAL good and legal opportunities out on the market. You can find a lot of them on http://dsa.org . So... open your eyes BEFORE being caught in the TTI PYRAMIDAL and PONZI SCHEME!!! P.S.: Look how Voice and his accomplices are spending the money of their victims travelling all over the world, to Africa, Europa, South America, and laughing at them. Guess who are Voice and The Truth on the following list: 1- ALAN KIPPAX ADMINISTRATOR PRESIDENT & BIGGEST SHAREHOLDER 2- OLIVER KONCZ VICE-PRESIDENT 3- LAI CHOO NG ADMINISTRATOR SECRETARY 4- BROUILLETTE & ASSOCIES S.E.N.C.R.L. POWER OF ATTORNEY BUREAU 2300 1100, BOULEVARD RENE-LEVESQUE OUEST MONTREAL (QUEBEC) H3B 4N4 5- PAUL AUDETTE COMPLIANCE OFFICER 6- JOHN HAYMAN NON MEMBER OF THE BOARD MANAGER 2645, MATHESON BLVD EAST MISSISSAUGA (ONTARIO) L4W 5S4 or...??? (Message edited by WM-MW on August 21, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 379 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Still copying and pasting this nonsense? We’ve already shown you the “PROOFS” that this business is perfectly legal. Perhaps, you can point out a single law that this business may be violating without any misrepresentation of how this business is truly run… I didn’t think so! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1050 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
No "PROOFS"!!! All you have shown is a pyramid fraud where 8 people pool $1200, the crook Kippax (drugs, weapons and assault, lest we forget) skims over 30% and the captain pockets what's left over from the family, friends, co-workers scammed. The cycle is then repeated increasing the numbers of victims exponentially until it collapses. Anything else is nonsense!!! That is the law. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 385 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Actually, what we have shown is a perfectly legal business where gemstones are sold and profit is created. And like the president of any other legitimate organization, Mr. Kippax receives his share of the profit. The cycle is then repeated increasing the number of profitable distributors…and yes, even new distributors have an opportunity to create profit so that people at the bottom are not left behind with nothing. And I assure you that this is no twist of words…this is simply how the business runs. And that is the proven truth. God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 283 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.135.151 |
To Voice, The Truth and all pro TTI... When someone is interested to operate a new regular business, he/she wants to know the cost of the product to be retailed and the suggested retail price, in order to know their profit margin. When someone wants to operate a MLM or Network Marketing business, they want to know the total payout of the company, meaning how much the company is returning to its distributors, total, on a sale. They want to know more than their personal profit, margin, and discounts, according to the volume generated. They also want to know the % they will receive on the sales of their group and on how many levels, plus other advantages such as car and home bonus plan, health care plan, etc... So... my simple questions to all pro TTI people are: 1- Retail price of your product? 2- Your wholesale cost? 3- 1-2 = Your profit margin? 4- % returned on your downline sales 5- On how many levels? 6- % returned for cars, homes, health benefits, promotions I would appreciate to get an answer for only 1 unit sold. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 289 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.137.88 |
To all- As you can clearly see, after 3 days, pro TTI people are not even able to answer very basic questions or avoid to answer them BECAUSE they are operating an ILLEGAL pyramidal scheme and trying to answer my simple questions would clearly demonstrate they are an ILLEGAL pyramid. It is obvious from the pyramid's structure of TTI it is the same as the age old "Airplane Scam" and the "WEW" pyramid fraud and is in no way a legal MLM company but rather a product based pyramid fraud destined to mathematically collapse, which is why it is also obvious they are unable to answer these simple questions relating to MLM companies. They are not one. TTI's very recruitment structure is recognized by the Ontario Securities Commission, as well as other such agencies and private organizations battling pyramid frauds. It is nothing more than a product driven pyramid fraud and it is these frauds the Ontario Securities Commission is warning the public about. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 397 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
As you can see, after 1 year 2 months and 25 days of whining on this forum, those against TTI simply cannot convince government officials to put an end to this business….Why? Because this business is perfectly legal. God bless. | ||
| fernando (fernando) New member Username: fernando Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.29.249.202 |
The chances of success are so slim it is so sad. Treasure Traders International prey on unsuspecting people and takes thier money. I did personally go captain about 10 times because I am an amazing person. BUT 99% of the people I introduced did not go captain and I ended up paying back everyone their money (almost I still owe a few people) and that set me back big time. As for gotrading.net I paid $500 to be a member and I never, ever got to trade my stones for ANY products. it took six months for them to activate my membership, and once I was finally granted access (after 100 phone calls and serious threats on my part) I was sent to this online barter site called evalues.net where trading gems doesnt even exists. I am such a fool for getting involved in all of this and my wife still tells me "I told yoiu so" and it drives me nuts.} | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 414 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.71.223.142 |
"The chances of success are so slim it is so sad" yet you "personally go captain about 10 times"...that really doesn't sound like slim chances to me. By the sounds of it, people just weren't pulling there weight...but it's good to know you were at least nice enough to pay them back. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1093 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
There you go again you contemptibly bastard blaming victim's for a mathematically flawed impossible system and suggesting to a moral citizen he should keep the money and blame the "downline" for stupidity and laziness when the recruiting pools dry up. It is what we predicted from the beginning. How? Because we have supernatural powers to gaze into the future?. No!! Because it is a mathematically predictable outcome known since the days of Charles Ponzi 1919. I would have been in the same position as “fernando” if my wife hadn’t gotten into “WEW.” I would have been one of the best TTI recruiters. Retired I could have devoted 14 hrs. or more per day to this and gone anywhere in Canada to virgin territories, made $250,000 or more in a year. Then had the burden of having to morally pay it all back plus my expenses as I tried to get my wife to do; to give back $11,000 when I was suddenly put in jail by the local police force (who relatives were also involved in the pyramid fraud) on a false charge of..... “I came into the kitchen and told our newly hired lying scamming cook (pretending to be a qualified chief) .. “I can rape my woman tonight you better bugger off.” Is it all becoming clearer now? I would suggest to any other moral captains (that is what the Mississauga captain did as well) and it’s too bad he and “fernando” gave all the money back... what to do is withhold about 200 or $300 dollars even a $100 and tell them you will put it into a pool with this non-profit organization we are tying to form so we can hopefully get a lawyer and launch a “class-action” lawsuit and recover from Kippax and TTI. It is bigger than that. We all have a moral obligation to rid this country of these corrupt leaches, that “brainwash” and cheat particularly our youth, our seniors, ethnic communities and immigrants in the interest of greed and destroy, family, friend, and community relationships. You might also direct those who you have already given money back to, to this forum and ask if they would voluntarily help with a donation and at least make a complaint to Industry Canada. My e-mail gatoraid@sympatico.ca Together we can close them down. They did it in the small town of 6000 in Ireland and brought the huge world-wide PIPS scam to its knees on August 16, 2005, the founders in a hell hole jail in Malaysia Together we will do it!! dave p.s. A few years ago in England a man got in very deep in a pyramid with thousands of people. He was doing it just to help people because he thought it worked. Then it became so big and began to collapse he tried to pay people back but had already given the money from eight to one and couldn’t pay all the losers. He frantically sold off his assets. He was unable to pay everyone. His morals and what he had unsuspectingly done to victims put him in a mental institution. His sister was forced to take over his affairs and try to pay as many as she could. He could no longer take looking at the victims anymore. There were that many. That’s why pyramids are called a “virus”. Can you imagine deliberating spreading a “masked” virus believing you are helping family friends, church, community overseas friends and missions and find out instead you’re spreading disease and killing people. “That’s what can happen when those with morals are "brainwashed" by unconscionable criminals like "VOICE” and B.S. “TRUTH”. These immoral, some amoral degenerates just laugh at there victims, call them stupid, lazy, perverts, and spend the money never having to feel the anguish of conscience. (Message edited by gatordave on September 05, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 417 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
There you go again you contemptibly bastard, telling the story of your life and W.E.W. when it really has no relevence with regards to TTI. And "withhold about 200 or $300 dollars even a $100 and tell them you will put it into a pool with this non-profit organization"? Gee, that sounds like a great plan...why don't we all send money to the crazy guy who has absolutely no understanding of network marketing...I think we'll pass on that one. I've heard of panhandling on the streets but you're probably the first cyberbeggar I've come across. God bless. | ||
| fernando (fernando) New member Username: fernando Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.29.249.202 |
Dear Mr the_truth anyone in my opinion advocating tti to someone and then saying god bless is just like a person raping their daughter while holding a bible in their hand. Not sure how long you have been involved, but someday you will be back here (probably with another name) and offering anti-tti advice to try and protect people from completely losing their money. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1098 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I doubt it "fernando". B.S. "TRUTH" is, in my opinion a "hardened pyramid fraud artist." I believe he knew how this worked before he got into it. At the meeting I attended in London almost everyone had been in the previous "WEW" huge pyramid including the top promoters. London is one of the worst areas for pyramid fraud. London is the centre of the OPP Crime Investigation Unit that is supposed to investigate pyramid fraud. It is a rat's nest of corruption. Not one person was charged in London in the last huge pyramid fraud, It was a massive coverup. As you will see on these threads a London Ontario Judge is also in TTI lending judicial credibility to this scam. He/she should certainly know better. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1099 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"fernado" I wrote this a couple years ago when my friend’s son was taken for $32,000 he didn’t even have with a bad check for a multi million dollar share of a money fraud I now know is the “419" scam. It is on my website. Please have your wife read this “fernando.” It is an excerpt from that article. This particular "check kiting" fraud (aptly applied to Treasure Traders) is horribly devastating, because now these unscrupulous, blood sucking scum of society have figured out how to get " blood from a stone" and leave a unsuspecting young, probably already desperate family, reaching out for a dream, another $32,000 in debt. Then comes the blame, whose idea was it to get involved? .... "I told you we shouldn't have done this."........ Another marriage and family destroyed....... and if not, certainly damaged. Please, I ask you again, please don't get into this. If you have, don't blame each other ........... you are up against brilliant people with nothing to do all day, but, (while you're out trying to make an honest living,) figure out how to hone & perfect their scamming skills. The worst part is they convince you, you are helping them in a "win win" situation....... they will always be the only winners! http://www.gatoraid.ca/infrkit.html dave p.s. He is only a ordinary factory worker. With the interest on this $32,000 and the principal they will probably never have a chance to get out form under a save for a house as the prices continue to rise. Imagine looking at the prospects of never owing a home. Sad very,very sad. (Message edited by gatordave on September 06, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 420 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
So offering a legitimate network marketing business opportunity “is just like a person raping their daughter while holding a bible in their hand.” Now I’m not sure how you guys manage to come up with such ridiculous analogies (very disgusting analogies might I add), but it’s clear you prefer to over-exaggerate descriptions that are in no way related to this business. Being captain 10 times, I’d assume you realize that in order to make profit through this business as a distributor, you must successfully create gemstones sales…this is explained at each and every presentation, and anyone going into this business must understand that. So all I need to do is ask you a few simple questions and we will all clearly see who is at fault for the failure of your team. 1) Is it not explained to each and every person that attends a TTI presentation that the main objective is to distribute gemstones? 2) Is it safe to assume that your team simply did not successfully complete that objective which was clearly explained before becoming a gemstone distributor? I rest my case, your honor. J.A.D. would you like to cross-examine the witness? Or are you gonna just continue rambling about topics unrelated to TTI? God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 421 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
You see, there are literally billions and billions of possible business opportunities out there that can generate a wealth of income should you be successful, and this is just one of them. If you feel you can’t distribute a single gemstone, then don’t sign up…simple as that. If you become a vacuum salesperson trying to sell vacuums manufactured by the world’s leading vacuum sales company and YOU don’t sell a single vacuum, is it fair to go back to the vacuum manufacturer and blame them for YOUR inability to sell vacuums? OF COURSE NOT! If you become a computer salesperson trying to sell computers manufactured by the world’s leading computer sales company and YOU don’t sell a single computer, is it fair to go back to the computer manufacturer and blame them for YOUR inability to sell computers? OF COURSE NOT! If you become a bullhorn salesperson trying to sell bullhorns manufactured by the world’s leading bullhorn sales company and YOU don’t sell a single bullhorn, is it fair to go back to the bullhorn manufacturer and blame them for YOUR inability to sell computers? OF COURSE NOT! So, if that is the case, why the heck would you blame a gemstones supplier for YOUR inability to sell gemstones? Just something to consider before you decide to continue blaming the world for your inability to do what you agreed to do. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1104 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"You are a filthy liar all you have to do it put your name on the board pick up a piece of worthless paper and recruit two more people. Your junk gemstones are an option and virtually. worthless. Anyone reading this get nowhere this lying criminal and his illegal pyramid fraud. The proven fact is that your own literature tells you to go out and recruit family and friends and "say nothing, say nothing, say nothing". Question how do you sell anything if you say nothing. Like any other cult you are to recruit then bring your recruits to a meeting to be "brainwashed" One of the oldest scams ever. (Message edited by gatordave on September 08, 2005) | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 299 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.130.0 |
To God Bless- If I was selling a vacuum cleaner or a computer, I would like first to know the retail price of my product and its wholesale price, to know my margin. Even if I asked for clear and simple answers for only 1 unit "sold" by you, Pro-TTI promoters, I never got an answer to my simple request. In the TTI pyramidal scheme, you're forced to recruit in order to get your profit and commissions. You have to wait for 14 people being in your group BEFORE seeing any money. Otherwise, you get nothing... So... it should be clear for all of us that you're paid for sponsoring, which is TOTALLY ILLEGAL!!! Still waiting for a positive letter from the Industry Canada Commissioner, binding on him and showing all of us that TTI is operating legally, as you like to falsely claim. Still waiting, still waiting. Show us the beef, my friend... In fact, we'll never see it since TTI is a pyramidal Ponzi scheme... (Message edited by wm-mw on September 06, 2005) | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 422 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
You are a filthy liar (and the courts have proved it). You simply can’t put your name on a board unless a gemstone sale is made…how hard is it to understand that. The piece of paper you get is simply a receipt stating that you just purchased gemstones. And the gemstones are absolutely not worthless. One minute you’re a crazy dude yelling profanity through a bullhorn, and the next minute you’re a gemstone connoisseur. Exactly what type of training have you gone through that makes you think you have any credibility to evaluate the value of a gemstone? God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1113 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Here again you are the perpetual twister. I have never said your “junk is worthless” it is virtually (dict: almost) worthless. Your certificates have no “cash” value and in fact have a negative value because the extra money required to cash them for product exceeds the value of the product offered. RE: “fernando” former TTI Captain now avid ANTI-TTI supporter. But here you are an outright liar. Of course you can put you name on the "board" without making a gemstone sale. You pay $1200 for a paper certificte and you can then secure a positon on the board. So, there you have it your name on the board. After ten days you don't get it back and you may not have sold any other paper certificates but you did get your name on the board!!! liar! Now, A certificate of any kind - gift etc., without sales tax ever being paid is not a receipt for the purchase of anything but that certificate. A $5000 deposit on a vehicle is not a receipt nor proof of the purchase or ownership of a $50,000 vehicle. Which is self evident!!! Ask a reputable C.A. or simply use common sense. So, if having “purchased this paper” that $5000 was held and your name put on say a....uh......uh.........what will we say........ uh....uh..... “NASCAR”?? pyramid scheme board and calling yourself a distributor of vehicles, with the understanding you would never have to pay the balance nor take delivery,....... then by recruiting 2 more people ...uh........... uh..... lets say......... uh ........ high up judges.......... and ....uh.......uh say........uh....... Senior Police Officers and maybe some Politicians to do the same, and they did likewise until your name, by the rules of the game”, was "pushed" to the top of the board and you magically received $40,000 then gave this “dealership owner” $12,000 for using his paper board and walked out the dealership with the certificate as a souvenir or “ditched the evidence of your participation” with no purchase having been completed, because you didn’t want the “crappy vehicle”, what that dealer is running is a pyramid fraud irrespective of his stock of vehicles. Furthermore if his employees were allowed to do the same, and collectively they were able to make millions without a car being required to leave the lot, that is an illegal pyramid fraud!!! Now, merely because every once and a while vehicles were in fact sold to “suckers” willing to pay the ridiculous self appraised values, who were not participating in the fraud or, purchased by those participating as “fake dealers” themselves in the fraud decided to buy these overvalued vehicles.... everyone of those purchases would be incidental to the pyramid fraud and of no relevance. Do you suspect I am catching up on the knowledge you have on the pyramid frauds that have been sweeping this country for decades B.S. “TRUTH” and BIG MOUTH “VOICE.”??? I mean suppose you were the wives of Toronto Judges but felt you wanted more money than your husbands would give you, and seeing this “AIRPLANE” scam and NASCAR scam for the “boys” you decided you wanted a piece of the action for the “girls”and thought why not use the same board and call it “WOMEN EMPOWERING WOMEN” with later clones called “Muffin Club” “Dinner Club” “Circle of Friends” even “CHRISTIANS HELPING CHRISTIANs”. And because you as socialite women had more time on your hands than your husbands and are, as women of course are, far more into social gatherings etc., like the hours you spend in beauty salons and spas, where as your counterparts whip in get a fast haircut and out.... you suddenly realised you had a tremendous “WOMEN'S NETWORK” and after the initial meeting it took off faster than a speeding “NASCAR” or even the “SILVER BULLET AIRPLANE” so much so its success would be its downfall. Now, with your imagination, take on another role of a reluctant amateur investigator and equally reluctant writer, grade ten formal education who would rather be in his hobby shop teaching his grandchildren to create wood and ceramic artwork pieces. And suppose as this writer, because all this was destroyed you were willing to “rush in where angels fear to tread” having been recently warned “these people won’t let you live, that they have numerous way’s of eliminating you” but because of the damage they have already inflected that “frankly you don’t give a damn” and are going to continue to write and shout so maybe it won’t happen to someone else. Image!!! To dream the impossible dream, To fight the unbeatable foe, To bear with unbearable sorrow, To run where the brave dare not go. To right the unrightable wrong, To love pure and chaste from afar, To try when your arms are too weary, To reach the unreachable star. This is my quest, To follow that star -- No matter how hopeless, No matter how far. To fight for the right Without question or pause, To be willing to march Into hell for a heavenly cause. And I know if I'll only be true To this glorious quest That my heart will be peaceful and calm when I'm laid to my rest. And the world will be better for this, that one man scorned and covered with scars still strove with his last ounce of courage. To reach the unreachable star. To dream the impossible dream To fight the unbeatable foe To bear with unbearable sorrow To run where the brave dare not go. To right the unrightable wrong To be better far than you are To try when your arms are too weary To reach the unreachable star. This is my quest, to follow that star, No matter how hopeless, no matter how far To be willing to give when there's no more to give To be willing to die so that honor and justice may live And I know if I'll only be true to this glorious quest That my heart will lie peaceful and calm when I'm laid to my rest And the world will be better for this That one man scorned and covered with scars Still strove with his last ounce of courage To reach the unreachable star. Stay tuned readers. If the writer is allow to live, the story will continue as more facts are gathered. In the meantime I find it necessary to reply on the other thread to a very interesting post by “PS.” Now folks, take that assessment of this business at the beginning of the story to a reputable Chartered Accountant, Lawyer, or Pyramid Fraud Investigator, the accent of course on reputable, and see what the written advice will be!!! That’s your real “due diligence” You know It’s interesting sharing some “quality time” with a retired Chartered Accountant with nothing to gain from his advice and years of experience and knowledge he is willing to share. dave A Very Concerned Canadian Citizen Trying Desperately to Help My Fellow Unwary Citizen’s Avoid Unnecessary Heartache! P.S. do either of you yahoo’s “B.M." “VOICE” or B.S. “TRUTH” know officially if there is an R.C.M.P. foot-dragging investigation into Kippax and TTI ??? Just wondering??? | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1114 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Now, B.S. "TRUTH" (actually the perpetual liar) In answer to your question..... "Exactly what type of training have you gone through that makes you think you have any credibility to evaluate the value of a gemstone?"..... may I say I have no training in TUNA FISH how to catch them, evaluate them, put them in fancy packaging, and market them. But I do know enough that if someone attempts to sell me the same fish I can by for $.98 to $1.49 in a different fancier can for $14.99 ..... that is B.S. and self evident. I don't require a university degree in oceanic studies, fish species, and cannery factories to arrive at that accurate conclusion. And when I open the can and it stinks, I don’t need a degree in the study of botulism to know I shouldn’t consume it. And I think if I pointed that out to others, my credibility in respect to rotten tuna would be intact especially if they took my findings to an accredited lab that dealt in such matters rather than “stinky tuna fish appraisers” with vested interests. Again remember Bruce Audley's evaluation of this junk? Ask him your stupid question and challenge his credibility on the subject. He was just confirmation of the value of your junk!!! Still tying to sell the imaginary golden thread and convince the Emperors it will cover his fat butt. You are acting like such an idiot. Your posting have degenerated to the “MAKE_7000" level perhaps even lower. Do readers detect that or is it just my imagination? So, readers that what I’m telling you, you should do is check out this sinking Ship Destiny “stinking and reeking ” with the stench of last victims who caught the “pyramid virus” with a credible C.A. See if he will give you a written opinion that you should “invest in this” and possibly sign him up. lol and lost of luck.. How can anyone be an acredited gem stone distributor with a cartoon boat, flying the "Jolly Roger" with an imaginary treasure chest, and piles of pretty, pre-packed junk gemstones. still lol. dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 431 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
The thing you don't understand Dave is that you really don't need to add anymore cash to complete the purchase...if you had seen the options on the back of these receipts you'd know that, but instead you prefer to continue your babble rather than look into the issue. God bless. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 432 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
"You are acting like such an idiot. Your posting have degenerated to the “MAKE_7000" level perhaps even lower. Do readers detect that or is it just my imagination?" Actually, what I have done is dropped down to YOUR level of communication. For months you've constantly been bad mouthing innocent participants of this network marketing business, it’s only fair that we return the favour. If you don’t like it, perhaps you should get your act together. God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 302 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.130.0 |
To all- Is This a Pyramid or a Legitimate MLM? By Jeffrey A. Babener © 2003 The Inevitable Question OK, you have either been recruited for a network marketing opportunity or you are the one doing the recruiting. Inevitably, this question will come up: Is this a pyramid scheme or a legitimate business opportunity? This Tuna's for Selling A Checklist 1. Product and Price 2. No Investment Required 3. Purchase and Inventory Requirements 4. Sales Commissions Sources 5. Buy-Back Policy 6. Retail Sales 7. Active Role for Distributors 8. Earnings Misrepresentations 9. Good Training Although this is a complex legal area, a simple story draws a clear line in the sand. Party No. 1 sells Party No. 2 a case of cans of tuna fish for $10. Party No. 2 sells the same case to No. 3 for $20 and so on until No. 9 sells the case to No. 10 for $500. No. 10 opens the case and opens one of the cans, which turns out to be rancid. He goes back to No. 9 who refers him to No. 8 and so on until No. 10 goes to No. 1 to complain. "I have major problem," he says. "So, what's your problem?" says No. 1. "Well," says No. 10, "the tuna is rancid, it's inedible." "So, what's your problem," No. 1 says again. No. 10 says, "Like I said, this tuna is no good." "Well," says No. 1, "the way I see it, you don't really have a problem." "What do you mean?" says No. 10, "this stuff is worthless." "You don't understand," said No. 1, "this tuna is for selling, it's not for eating!" And there lies the difference. Distributors in a network marketing program that are merely buying product to buy into the deal as opposed to an intention of really making a market for it, are really working a pyramid scheme, not a legitimate direct selling business. Remember, when you offer this opportunity to your next-door neighbor or your best friend, it's your credibility that's going to be on the line for years to come. What to Look for - A Checklist So, what do you look for with respect to legitimacy vs. pyramid? Here's a good checklist to consider. Product and Price Does the company offer a high quality product for which there is a strong demand in the real world marketplace? Is the product fairly priced and priced competitively with similar products? Can the product be demonstrated, and does it stand out when you show it to friends? Is the product proprietary to the company, and available only through its distributors? (Have you ever noticed that you can't buy Avon products in stores or Shaklee vitamins at pharmacies?) Is it backed up with a customer satisfaction guarantee? Is post-sales service or customer assistance available? Do the people who participate in the program buy the product enthusiastically based on its own merits, even if they don't participate in the compensation program? Second, No Investment Requirement Can you participate in the company's program without having to make any investment other than purchasing a sales kit or demonstration materials sold at company cost? Third, Look at Purchase and Inventory Requirements Can you become a distributor or sales representative without having to fulfill a minimum up-front purchase or inventory requirement? (When you are pitched to put thousands of dollars of inventory at the very beginning, run fast in the opposite direction.) Does the company's compensation plan discourage inventory loading? Garages and backrooms filled with product serve no useful purpose to anyone. Fourth, Look at the Sales Commissions Sources Are sales commissions paid only on actual products or services sold through distributors in the network to the end-user or ultimate consumer? (This means that products don't end up in basements and closets. They are used, because they have genuine value.) Does the compensation plan avoid paying commissions or bonuses for the mere act of sponsoring or recruiting? (If it pays headhunting fees, it is illegal.) Fifth, Check the Buy-Back Policy Will the company buy back inventory and sales kit materials from distributors who cancel their participation in the program, as long as these items are in resalable condition? (This policy is required in states that have adopted multilevel distribution statutes.) Sixth and Very Important, Look for Retail Sales Is there an emphasis on actual retail sales to end-consumers? Can the company demonstrate efforts to market products to the ultimate consumer? Do the company's distributors have ongoing retailing requirements to qualify for commissions? What is a "retail sale?" The industry and many MLM statutes include both sales to nonparticipants and purchases in reasonable amounts for personal use by distributors. Some regulatory groups, including the FTC, have historically rejected personal use as a legitimate retail sale. Stay tuned as this debate continues. The legislative trend is definitely supportive of the industry position. Seventh, Expect an Active and not Passive Role for Distributors Are distributors in the company required to actively participate in the development and management of their networks? (Many of the MLM statutes require that distributors perform bona fide, supervisory, distributing, selling, or soliciting functions in moving product to the ultimate consumer.) Eighth, Watch Out for Earnings Misrepresentations Do the company's literature and training materials scrupulously avoid claims of income potential that is promises of specific income levels other than demonstrations of verifiable income levels within its program? (The Federal Trade Commission, attorneys general, and postal inspectors all have their eyes on the matter of earnings representations. The acceptable approach emerging is that there should be no earnings representations unless they are based on a verifiable track record of the average earnings of distributors. For instance, a company should have statistics to show the percentage of active distributors and the average earnings of active distributors.) Finally, Look for Good Training Does the company offer its independent distributors solid training opportunities in sales and recruitment? Are different levels of training offered to match the increasing levels of experience and responsibilities of distributors? The Journey Begins OK, is this the end of your journey? Obviously not. You have now looked at some legal issues and its time to move on to some solid business analysis. But it's a great start. Jeffrey A. Babener Babener & Associates 121 SW Morrison, Suite 1020 Portland, OR 97204 Jeffrey A. Babener, the principal attorney in the Portland, Oregon law firm of Babener & Associates, represents many of the leading direct selling companies in the United States and abroad. www.mlmlegal.com | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 440 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Good thing we covered all this months ago. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1121 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
"Susanna Friedl susanna@garygoodyear.com Thursday, September 1, 2005 9:22 a.m. RE:TTI FRAUD Hi David, We have inquired into Treasure Trader's, and have been advised that the organization is currently under investigation by the RCMP. We respectfully ask for your patience while they conduct their investigation. Our office will be in contact with you as we receive any news relevant to this issue. Have a great day! | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 316 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.147.67 |
To all, mainly Pro-TTI... Voiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice, You are DODGING the questions again. Answer the simple questions. No more spin doctoring!!! Still waiting that YOU, the so-called TTI specialist, give a CLEAR and SIMPLE answer to a very simple question for ONLY ONE sale of a Gem Pack in $ and %. 1- Suggested Retail price: ? = 100% 2- Wholesale price: ? 3- Retail profit (1-2): ? 4- Bonuses on downline: ? 5- Other overrides (car-house-etc.): ? Total Payout to distributors (3+4+5): ? I want that everybody here understand clearly that I'm not against any legal and legitimate REAL MLM companies, since I think this is a great industry. But... I'm clearly AGAINST people trying to promote an illegal scheme to other people, and trying to compare TTI's scheme to reputable companies such as Amway or Quixtar. All LEGIT companies can answer easily to the SIMPLE question I asked because they don't have to wait for NEXT sales to be able to pay their distributors. They can pay them on each sale made. I'm just proving here that TTI is totally per se ILLEGAL and a CLEAR Ponzi Scheme, even if hidden under appearances of legality. I'm challenging any TTI so-called specialists to answer to my simple question. God Bless tried with no success. Another one gave us a payout BIGGER than the selling price. Ask yourself why TTI so-called specialists cannot answer this simple question anybody from any LEGIT company can answer easily without turning and turning around the pot... (Message edited by wm-mw on September 10, 2005) | ||
| fernando (fernando) New member Username: fernando Post Number: 4 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.29.249.202 |
Dear God Bless get a grip on reality son. How do you sleep at night? you have no idea what u r getting into and you are probably the type of person who won't give your victims their money back. people beleive in you and are in for great dissapointment. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1129 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I hope we have more former captains and victims of TTI who will come forward. The twins in Vancouver that involved their family members concern me. These people are just totally unconscionable. dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 444 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
fernando, Sleeping at night is actually very easy. When you're exhausted, just lay in bed, close your eyes, and eventually your mind drifts into sleep. As for this business, as long as you informed everyone coming into this business that their goal is to distribute gemstones to generate profit, if they agree to it and don’t move forward as agreed, then why would I blame myself for their inability to adhere to the agreement. I present all the information required to make this business work, and I leave it up to them to decide if they are capable of doing it. Just like anything we do in life, if we make the decision to do something but don’t commit to that decision, we are responsible for any consequences that result from our lack of action. God bless. | ||
| fernando (fernando) New member Username: fernando Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.29.249.202 |
Listen god bless, you sound somewhat ethical except for a couple things. Where are all the tti people now? they are all gone..vanished.. there were some superstars and thousands of people in the gta were involved.. what do they saqy about tti now? "it was stupid". you fail to mention to people that 99.999 percent of the distributors who got involved are no longer involved , meaning there are some seriously defunct aspects of this business. God Bless the way you defend this Tresure Traders International is very questionable. There must have been the day where you looked yourself in the mirror and asked, What have I done? Yet you still are pro-tti. Your ethics are unscrupulous. You will burn for it. Where are all the TTI hitters today? they left, ask yourself why | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1149 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Welcome back "ferando" The inherent and fatal flaw of TTI is in this statement by word twisting, "BS TRUTH" "I present all the information required to make this business work, and I leave it up to them to decide if they are capable of doing it." What isn't presented by this word twister, is what has been know since the days of Charles Ponzi and his postal coupon scheme. And that is, the information that this flawed "business model", a simple 1 winner 8 loser pyramid scheme, is a dead end for the last to sign up. The system is doomed from the first meeting. The BIG LIE from “BS TRUTH” “I present all the information required to make this business work”... like a magician, scammer, flimflam, confidence man, if you examine that exact same information carefully it will, itself, in fact prove conclusively and mathematically that this scam will not work!! Charles Ponzi did precisely the same thing, convince people he had a new a revolutionary way to deal in International Postal Coupons. The early inventors made huge returns on their “investment” the later majority lost millions. TTI is simply “passing money up the chain” as did Ponzi. The collapsing pyramid is something Bruce has always pointed out and agreed with. The last must lose. Where we diverge is that Bruce states this is legal in Canada, I on the other hand see that our laws have evolved and recognize this is fraud and illegal. Bruce believes that anyone including young people, seniors and the financially unsophisticated that can be successfully persuaded and scammed, into believing that this is a perpetual money making business by, as he sees it, the “sharks feeding on the small fish , should be allowed un-legislated. In this case by a convicted criminal shark dave And then witness this “BS_TRUTH” To cause all this trauma to victims then add insult to injury by using God Bless is repugnant, absolutely sickening and abhorrent. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 328 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.142.64 |
To all- As you can see, God Bless is the type of person that can sell his mother in the name of God, as long as money is there for him. | ||
| fernando (fernando) New member Username: fernando Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.29.249.202 |
SO listen God Bless, tell the real truth and stop saying how good this is when in fact it has destroyed some peoples lives | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1153 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Many peoples lives. These hard core TTI have no morals. They are absolutely ruthless and unrelentingly vicious and vindictive to families they have already scammed and caused pain. To them the rest of the world exists to be scammed with the promise of financial independence for your family and friends. And as Bruce Audley, and Sargent Lickman the officer in charge of the illegal gambling unit of the Ontario Provincial Police observed, they will be back with another scam. Bruce Audley, now waving his true colours as pro TTI thinks that's just fine and should be allowed with a "hands off" attitude by authorities. And Wayne Lickman of the OPP??? He corruptly conspired with other officers to protect the “King pins” in the “WEW” pyramid, from which TTI is cloned, from criminal prosecution in the courts and exposer in the media, many of whom were in high places in government and connected to and related to his very police force and others. These large pyramid frauds are government and police sponsored. And they will continue again and again if citizens themselves don't do something about it. Victims must speak out. Raise hell with authorities and the media. It is so simple. Just do it! Even anonymously. Just Imagine 60,000 around Toronto alone calling the media, police, MP's and MPP's. Imagine just 1000 picketing TTI at 2645 Matheson Blvd Mississauga Ontario. It is what these bastards thrive on. The silence of their victims and vicious attacks on the few who do come forward. There are one hell-a-lot more victims than the handful of TTI hardcore bastards. Always remember that. And that’s the real truth! dave | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 454 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
"SO listen God Bless, tell the real truth and stop saying how good this is when in fact it has destroyed some peoples lives" The truth is this. The people that joined this business knew from the very beginning that their objective is to distribute gemstones. When two people are given the exact same objective, and one sky-rockets to success while the other fails to sell a single gemstone, then we know it isn't the business that has prevented one from succeeding, but their lack of commitment. When you say you made it captain 10 times because you’re an “amazing person”, I will simply say that you are no more amazing than myself, Bruce, Dave, Voice, WMMW, etc. We are all created equal…and you’re just an average Joe like the rest of us (well, besides Dave, since apparently he’s “above the law”). My view on life is that if you have the desire and drive to succeed, anything is possible. And this doesn’t only apply to this business, this applies to anything you want to do. God bless. | ||
| fernando (fernando) New member Username: fernando Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.29.249.202 |
I would agree with you God Bless that when you set your mind on something and stay focused, things are achievable. You are avoiding many facts with your double talk however. One, where are all of those thousands of successful tti people in the gta gone to? why is it that the real hitters that made money have vanished? stop avoiding the truth "mr truth" | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 156 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Dave" - If you feel I now have "TRUE COLOURS" as a "Pro T.T.I.Co." supporter, then I can only bow graciously to your sense of logic. Perhaps my usually gifted ability to communicate my thoughts, is more rusty than I have given credit. In any regard, if you see me as supporting this ridiculous so called business operation, I can live with that because I doubt anything I can say here will change your wise and learned opinion. You and I disagree on only two points Dave and as far as I am concerned, that is the reason for an open forum such as www.factnet.org. The first is the legality. You say "T.T.I.Co." is illegal before it has been declared such, and I prefer to await the outcome of any and all judical, police and/or regulatory investigations. You are as unmoveable on that reality as am I. So let's agree that we disagree on the legality issue! The second point we disagree on is the idea that this group exploits the mental challenged members of our society or, as you prefer to catagorize them, "young people, seniors and the financially unsophisticated"! While I will not disagree that there may be some "T.T.I.Co." investors from these categories, I personally believe that the vast majority of investors in this scheme, are simply regular every day Canadians that are trying to get ahead. I believe that with proper due diligence, most potential investors will quickly see that there is nowhere to go with this model. Nowhere that is, other then handing money up an imaginary pipeline to those in your upline! Yes, that smacks of "sharks feeding on the weak" but the last time I checked, Canadian's are allowed to do anything that they want legally, with their money. I personally don't buy into this "T.T.I.Co." scheme, you don't buy into this "T.T.I.Co." scheme hell, most of Canada does not buy into this "T.T.I.Co." scheme. But unitl it is illegal, that is fine! Throw your money away or reap your riches! Actually, I said we disgree on two things but now that I reflect, as they are both based on one very simple fact, let's just say it's one thing! In "Dave's World" the right of legality is settled by one person (anyone out there care to take a wild guess?)! In "Bruce's World", legality is settled by those in the position to pass and enforce laws. The minute "Treasure Traders International Co." is deemed to be illegal, I will be racing you to your nearest computer terminal to shout the new praises of the land! I am just not prepared to do it in any other order. Bruce | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1161 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
POSTED YOU LIARS ARE THE ONES OPERATING ABOVE THE LAW. ANOTHER BUNCH OF LAIRS AND COMPUTER SCAMMERS IN TORONTO CITY HALL. FOR GOD SAKE YOU OWN PRESIDENT IS A CONVICTED CRIMINAL, WEAPONS, DRUGS, ASSAULT, DENIAL, DENIAL, DENIAL. YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR LAW. OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY, THEIR FAMILIES. YOU PYRAMID FREAKS THREATEN PEOPLE AS I WAS THREATENED IN CAMBRIDGE, YOU FILE FALSE POLICE REPORTS AGAINST VICTIMS, COMMIT PERJURY AND INCITE, OTHERS BY INTIMIDATE AND COERCIVE TACTICS TO DO LIKEWISE. AND WHY NOT. LIKE THE ORGANIZED CRIMINALS THAT CONTROLLED THE TWO SONS OF THE FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE IN TORONTO AND SEVERAL OTHERS ON THAT FORCE YOU HAVE POLICE IN YOU BACK POCKET. YOU PYRAMID SCUM FREAKS AND THAT IS THE_REAL_TRUTH | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 461 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Police don't fit in my back pocket...duh! ...and that is the real truth. God bless. | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 157 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
Yipes! Did I miss something here? | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1162 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You disgusting people think this is nothing but a joke. Families being harm, relationships being destroyed. You are so utterly vile. You unconscionable pigs. No wonder you can't see the problems in this country Bruce, you are a large part of it. Tell me Bruce you showed you wife and children what is going on, on this site | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 463 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Is it just me, or does Dave appear to reveal symptoms of Schizophrenia? http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-ps01.html Social and/or Occupational Impairment – he’s got no job and it looks like anyone he tries to get close to, seems to leave him. Obsessive Thinking or Compulsive Rituals – It’s very evident that he is obsessed with himself and his opinions. Regardless of the fact that his opinions have resulted in false accusations, he still continues to repetitively state irrelevant info. Irritability or Hostility – I think his posts clearly express this. I mean, who else in this forum but him writes a phrase like “YOU VILE ROTTEN SLIMY PIGS. I HOPE SOMEONE YOU SCREWED SMASHES YOU SO "GOD BLESSED" HARD IN THE HEAD YOU NEVER AGAIN KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR WHERE ARE. YOU DEGUSTING PIECE OF CRAP.” Poor Sexual Interest or Ability – well, he did have not one, but two, wives leave him. Overly Dependent Behavior – Before Bruce expressed his opinion with regards to the legality of this business, Dave seemed to latch onto Bruce for support and approval. Money Management Problems – He is broke and begs people to send money. What more can I say? Need for Institutional Care – We all know he’s been in a mental hospital, been to jail, and has had to involve the police on more than one occasion. Physical Violence – well, as he was being arrested for yelling profanity threw a bull horn, witnesses did say that threw himself onto a female officer. Makes you wonder if those rape threats were fabricated. Risk of Harming Self – I think we have all seen how many times he’s been talking about police eventually killing him. I think all his experiences could have easily been avoided but he seems to seek disaster rather than attempt to avoid it. “Self-destruction” is like his middle name. Distrust or Suspiciousness – Do the words “lying”, “sniping”, “misleading”, and “corrupt”, ring a bell? Poor Memory or Learning Ability – How many times have we have to repeat specific aspect of this business?...he obviously can’t comprehend even the most obvious things. It’s no wonder he still believes this business is illegal. This is just my analysis though. For all we know, he could easily be classified under some other scientific term that means “wacko”. Since we can’t really confirm anything at this point, we can just call him “Prisoner 1000325524”…that was your prison number right Dave?…but, I guess that would depend on which prison occasion we’re talking about. God bless. | ||
| wmmw (wmmw) Intermediate Member Username: wmmw Post Number: 333 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.36.131.24 |
To all- As we can see, The Liar and The Devil could sell their own mothers to get money. All means are good for them, including systematically trying to destroy someone, such as Dave, who is doing his best to expose their pyramidal and illegal activities. Fernando has made Captain 10 times and was honest enough to recognize his mistake and reimburse his victims. The TTI system creates more and more poverty all around in a minimum ratio of 14 to 1. The hypocrit men using the name of God and Truth as a cover-up for their illegal activities are very disgusting. In fact, when we trace them on the Internet, we can see they are travelling a lot to hold TTI meetings, mainly in Calgary area. So... they are "SOLD" to Kippax. It's evident... | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1171 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
YOU WORD TWISTING VILE SCUM. WHAT LEGAL ETHICAL COMPANY WOULD EVER, EVER OPERATE IN THIS MANNER. THIS IS WHAT YOU DO TO YOUR VICTIMS AND FORMER DISTRIBUTORS AND PEOPLE WONDER WHY VICTIMS WON'T COME FORWARD. YOU ARE WAY OVER THE LINE YOU VICIOUS S.O.B. YOU TAKE EVERY THING THAT IS DECENT AND TURN IT TO EVIL . AND SIGN IT “GOD BLESS”. WHAT AN EDUCATION. I HAVE MET NASTY PEOPLE IN MY LIFE BUT NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS DID I IMAGE A WELL EDUCATED PERSON PREMEDITATEDLY VICIOUS AS THIS COULD EVEN EXIST. Then again witness the “BS_TRUTH”....... To cause all this trauma to victims then add insult to injury by using God Bless is repugnant, absolutely sickening and abhorrent Again, have you shown you wife and children what you are participating in on this board? | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1173 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Just some collateral information. I received a call from Cambridge. People, particularly senior in the Region of Waterloo are complaining about another campaign by the Police Association. Several seniors complaining of intimidating tactics. One felt intimidated into giving $150. Is it any wonder readers white collar crime is rampant in this country, with so many police in it? Just like “WEW” and “TTI”. You must speak out. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 479 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Yes...we must speak out. But there's no need to yell profanity through a bullhorn because we all know how much trouble that can get you into...don't we Dave. God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1184 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
What an immature imbecile. Any group when they demonstrate their perceived grievances have dozens of demonstrators with bullhorns. The “f” word was never used prosecuting witnesses said so. The bizarre prejudice judge is on “the carpet” for bias and improper behaviour. Only one of two since 1994. You are a one sicko. You can’t let go of the even the tiniest piece of flesh. See what sickos you crawled in bed with Bruce? They say politics make strange bedfellows, so do pyramid frauds I can assure you readers. You should see the collection in Kincardine. And what has a bull horn, a demonstration, and a stupid charge of cause a disturbance got to do with TTI running a pyramid fraud. sick, sick, sick!!! Your damn company is falling apart, boards collapsing on two continents you have been unable to open in the U.S. and your in trouble in Calgary and your babbling about a bullhorn and a two bit phoney “Cause a Disturbance Complaint. You are pathetic. | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) Intermediate Member Username: the_truth Post Number: 488 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
What’s up with your obsession with Bruce crawling into bed with people? I think you must be getting flashbacks of your ex-wife crawling into bed with that cook…get over it Dave…she’s gone, and the worst part is that the pyramid had very little to do with the reason she left. It’s all you Dave…all you. Now I think it’s about time you suck it up princess! God bless. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1201 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Back to it again. You just can't leave it alone. Your are one twisted SICKO. Like Bruce my wife can crawl into bed with whoever she wants. But when that piece of scum Alex Nichols puts a man in jail with a "false rape threat that's a whole different issue." And when it is not an isolated incident and women all over the country and their boyfriends are putting husbands in jail with false allegations it becomes a political issue. And that is the real truth. You self appointed messenger from God. Hypocrite-WACO_WACKO_SICKO. God Bless! Do you condone this Bruce? I mean, like a father who's own kids can do no wrong, do you condone this? | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 163 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Dave" - And your question is what exactly? As I recall, you and I are on the same side of this issue (though we obviously disagree on the legality) and "the_truth" is on the opposing side. The problem is from my sole perspective, "the_truth" has maintained a higher posting moral ground. That is simply my opinion and not to be confused with my thoughts as a God-like deity, something I have been accused of being by a poster on this very forum! Of course none of this subject is funny but seriously Dave, your vindictive shots demand either humour OR equally vile repartee. Like myself, I can only assume that other posters are choosing to make light in an attempt to tone down the aggressive and suggestive language. Of course this all takes us away from the real issue but it has everything to do with you and little to do with other posters. Again, simply one man's opinion. As for my progeny, I always believed that there were never any wrongs committed. I was the perfect father. Their eyes glance to this forum from time to time and I am sure that eyes will roll over that one. Dad perfect - family perfect! Sounds great don't you agree? Bruce | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1204 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
You can honestly say that this hypocrite who makes up gossip about a man, his wife and family, laughs at the suicide death of this man’s son, knows nothing at all about the circumstances of any of it, does it for no other reason than to torment and see a person in pain suffer trying to defend himself against one fifthly lie after another, just made up filthy gossip of legal court orders and false evidence that simply does not exist and make fun of his wife in bed with an employee signs it God bless and you have the unmitigated gall and audacity to even suggest that vicious hypocrite has maintained a higher moral posting ground??? Like I said Bruce that's what happens when you "climb in bed with any anonymous trash". You catch their same diseases. And please don't insult my intelligence with this crap we’re on the same side. You moved to the other side!!! And That is not my sole opinion. dave As for the part of your progeny which makes me scramble for my dictionary again, the rest of your obscure and ambiguous thoughts, I honestly have no idea what the hell your talking about!!! | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 164 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Dave" - PLEASE!!!! You have no idea what I am talking about? Your humour is subtle but I must admit, you do prove to be funny when you try hard enough. Don't you get it! I don't care if you cannot figure out which side I am on and frankly, if it is not your SOLE opinion, I could care even less. I post on this forum because this business is not a sound financial investment for anyone but those in the "up-line", not because it may or may not make Dave happy. If someone has taken shots at your personal stuff, then my advice would be to keep your personal stuff off the forum. Oh, sorry! That probably insults your intelligence and we can't have any of that now can we? Sulk, brood, rant, scream or whatever. This forum is about "T.T.I.Co." and if you genuinely feel that your posts are keeping people away from this so called "investment opportunity of a lifetime" and helping to protect the ignorant, the weak, the young, the homeless, the penniless, the misguided high school children, the sacrificial university students, the welfare moms and all other assorted downcasts of our modern day society, then the intelligence issue is moot! Bruce | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1217 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
The more you write Bruce, you snob, the more you show your contempt for people who were not raised by the likes of the great Audley Sr. Do not have the education, the vocabulary, debating skills of the Great “I am” Bruce Audley. Again Bruce this forum was clearly.... absolutely clearly designed by it's creator for people to tell their stories of the results of cult like activities of corporations. I assume that meant what victims or even perceived victims feel these cults do you their families friends and communities. It clearly states tell us your stories, there is no invitation to debate the technicalities of whether a company is legal illegal how to buy sell and trade gemstones, how to recruit victims etc., etc. I am glad you finally admit to profound miscarriages of our judicial system. Now, I am not “wrapping myself” in any righteous group, you snob. I am tying to do what I can, to get an unjustly accused man who did not get a fair trial out of jail, because someone sent out a plea after A&E aired his story. With your obvious attitude it would seem you would attack anyone who helps in that endeavour as “rapping themselves in a righteous group”. You pretentious snob. They asked desperately for people to call the prosecutor’s office and express their outrage. To send emails, to attract public attention, to donate to DNA testing. I did that. I called the prosecutor. I sent emails I did what I could with the limited resources I had. But you the high and mighty “I’m Am” Bruce Audley, from the pulpit, the word you first used to accuse me, like some pampas vicar sit in judgement over the motives of a man who simply did what he was asked to do. You could, with your command of the English language, your debating skills and the fuel you use in one afternoon in your plane looking down contemptuously at those who have not attained the heights of the Great “I AM” Bruce Audley, have given both voice and a bit of your opulent life style to assist a fellow human that for the grace of God could be you. But instead you spread your contempt and your holier than thou judgmental attitude against someone who did. How dare you sit in judgement of my motives to help someone get a fair trial and the other tings I do, you self appointed supreme judge of other’s motive. You snob. If you don’t want to help at least don’t attempt to destroy and besmirch those who do. A least one understanding scientist from Calgary sent his verbal support and a donation. Would you like his name so you can attack him as “wrapping himself in a righteous group” I tried to help Jamie Nelson who, I gather from your writings is only another unfortunate statistic “of truly profound miscarriages of our judicial system”. I’m not content to be a snob and accept “we make mistakes.” These mistakes and miscarriages of justice are avoidable. I don’t want to see it happen again. Is that too simple for the complicated self righteous, pampas “I AM Bruce Audley”who sets himself up as the expert on others motives to comprehend? It’s too bad you can’t climb down from your high horse and with a bit of empathy and say to yourself “how would I feel if it happened to me and my family”??? Read this. It not only describes accurately my personal predicament but what is rampant in our society. And please again, don’t tear me to pieces because of what this woman writes. I didn’t write it. I simply, because of experience, agree with it. Wholesale Criminalization Of Men: DOMESTIC VIOLENCE & SHOW TRIALS WITH PREDETERMINED OUTCOMES By Lisa Scott, Attorney at Law July 7, 2005 Picture this: Ordinary citizens arrested in the middle of the night, thrown in jail on false charges, never seeing the inside of their homes again. Show trials with predetermined outcomes. Dissidents forced into treatment for politically incorrect thoughts. Does this describe Stalinist purges? Totalitarian repression? The USA Patriot Act in action? No, this nightmarish scenario is our current domestic violence system. Introduced in the 1980's with good intentions, these laws have mutated into a system of repression, power and control, manipulated by the domestic violence industry and exploited by vengeful spouses seeking advantage in divorce and child custody. The crowning achievement for the victim industry was the passage in 1994 of VAWA, the federal Violence Against Women Act. VAWA codifies gender-based myths that domestic violence (DV) is virtually always committed by men against women. VAWA is up for reauthorization in 2005. VAWA was based on lies and distortions about the true extent of intimate partner violence, yet it continues to be funded at astounding levels. Feminist groups, led by the domestic violence "scream queens," tout hysterical claims such as "the leading cause of emergency room visits by women is domestic violence," and "95 per cent of victims of domestic violence are women." The government's own statistics contradict these ubiquitous factoids, yet Congress can't help pandering to the women's vote with a billion-dollar gravy train. The Justice Department's 1998 "Intimate Partner Violence" report reveals that 1/3 of total domestic violence murder victims are male. Further, less than one per cent of females (and males) are victimized each year. Hardly an epidemic justifying a monstrous government system. In today's domestic violence police state, it's expected the woman is the victim. All she has to do is call 911 and report her husband assaulted her. In many cases she conveniently fails to mention she slapped, punched, kicked or pummelled him to the point that he pushed her away. As a family law attorney for 17 years, I have experienced the DV system personally. Every example cited in this article has happened to one of my clients. The stereotype that the man is always the abuser ensures he has no chance of being believed when he says he is the victim. The police take him to jail, and in many cases, he never goes home again. The next scene in his nightmare is getting served with an order for protection. Originated to immediately protect victims of severe abuse, protection orders have become "weapons of mass destruction" in family courts. Drive-by protection orders (obtained ex parte, with the accused not present) almost always prohibit contact with his children and presence at the family home, virtually guaranteeing full custody to the accuser. After 14 days living in a van down by the river, the accused gets a hearing, an "opportunity to be heard." In reality, it is a show trial with a predetermined outcome. Whenever a woman claims to be a victim, she is automatically believed. No proof of abuse is required. Judges with "do-something disease," afraid of some real victim being denied relief, hand out protection orders like candy. In fact, the accused is sometimes treated more harshly for having the audacity to object. Meanwhile, real victims must share crowded courtrooms with DV fakers. In many cases, the accused is sent to "domestic violence perpetrator treatment," following an "assessment" with the foregone conclusion that he needs treatment. If he admits any abuse, it will always be used against him. Denial of abuse is punished more severely than actual abuse. Those who profess their innocence are often forcibly "re-educated" for two or even three years. The only escape is to unconditionally surrender to the authority of the oppressors (the court and treatment providers), bow down and capitulate to the accuser, then you might get some time with your children. You still don't get to go home. Ten years of VAWA has resulted in the wholesale criminalization of being a man. VAWA didn't originate this nightmarish system, but it legitimizes and subsidizes it. To some, the solution is a gender-neutral law, such as "Violence Against Persons Act." Even without overt gender bias, federal intrusion into local domestic violence policies is corrupting. It nourishes a gargantuan beast and ensures a massive stream of taxpayer dollars creating endless constituent groups lining up to feed at the federal trough. We must de-fund and de-fang VAWA. We must let police do their jobs without fear of making politically-incorrect decisions. In the old days they used their discretion on how to handle domestic conflict. The parties were often separated until things cooled down. Without evidence of serious assault or injury, that was the proper response. VAWA turns every argument into a potential murder case, and what police officer wants to risk making a wrong decision? The easy way out is to arrest the man. It's time to stop systematic violence against civil rights and recognize that even well-intentioned laws can be used as a bludgeon. Like the war on terrorism, the war on domestic violence can go too far. The laudable goal of ending domestic violence cannot justify nullification of the fundamental rights of an entire gender. We should all be outraged at what is being done to innocent people in the name of helping victims. .......and that's the real truth | ||
| the_truth (the_truth) New member Username: the_truth Post Number: 21 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.239.196.6 |
Very interesting. Now with regards to home-made cheese, what is our judicial system suggesting to help ensure that the cheese is creamy with each and every batch? God bless. | ||
| pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage) New member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.70.44.188 |
Truth: Classic post. Does anyone else out there think we could have a hell of |
