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     Anonymous (69.242.21.100) |
any info on the United Way and its deceptions and practices..? | ||
| nwmomike (nwmomike) New member Username: nwmomike Post Number: 17 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 208.24.179.27 |
I do know that they have been in the news for using donation dollars to support their political agenda. One such is fighting against Boy Scouts over the homosexual issue. You can verify that with Focus On The Family and several news sites, etc. M or Michael | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 67.70.206.113 |
In Canada about 1985. United Way denied any of its organizations used telemarketers. In fact at least one, Mississauga Association for the mentally retarded (now Community Living) was using the services of a corrupt telemarketing company Great West Entertainment (Can. This company also raised money for Massons. United Way managed to exercise "damage control" so the Canadian public did not get a clear picture of what was going on, and is still going on in the telemarketing and fundraising schemes. Check out www.gatoraid.ca and tell friends about this web site. Check out how the Police Association raises funds through telemarketers. 20 minute video clip available from CTV "W5" for $50. If interested ask CTV for fundraiser... Mississauga Association for mentally retarded... great West entertainment.and Shriners Circus. Hope this is helpful. | ||
| path_walker (path_walker) New member Username: path_walker Post Number: 24 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.228.46.189 |
If you want your money to go to a good cause, do some research and select the specific charity you wish to help. With the United Way its dropped in a bucket and scattered all over the place. Take some time to read the list of members and you'll agree. You may find a few of them that oppose you're religious convictions. In Canada you seem to be viewed as a worm if you don't give to them. If you work for the Federal Government they'll hound you like crazy to give payroll deductions and buy draw tickets, attend pot luck lunches and much of it on tax payers' time. Its really annoying, as they assume you're not giving to anyone if you don't support the UW. | ||
| sunbeam (sunbeam) New member Username: sunbeam Post Number: 17 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 68.154.107.52 |
path walker, Apparently non-government companies such as Marriott International does the same thing to their employees. (I worked for them for 5 years.) | ||
| robertmbourne (robertmbourne) New member Username: robertmbourne Post Number: 2 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 66.109.234.38 |
i think DANA did | ||
| path_walker (path_walker) Member Username: path_walker Post Number: 55 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.228.46.13 |
I'm retired from the Canadian Civil Service. They are now asking me to give to the United Way via pension deduction. I give to both national and local Christian Charities on a monthly basis, so I shredded the form. Guess what, they sent another one back two weeks later with a different covering letter, stating that .."we are writing you once again just to remind you that your gift is very important to your community."! I really believe its a mild form of harassment. There is an underlying inference that if one fails to support their secular causes, you're giving to no on else. Its this general implication that I find so insidious! And of course the prevailing government gets political mileage by trumpeting the success they achieve from undiscerning giving of many of the mindless masses under their employ. But participants are either politically partisan or too stupid to realise this! I note in the United Way in my area, Planned Parenthood is one of the agencies supported. There were also a number of non-Christian religious charities included as well. Funny isn't it, if your Chrisitian you can't be a member, but if you are affiliated with another religion, they roll out the red carpet. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1744 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
It's good to see people questioning these "credible" charities, their methods and where your money goes. If you're approached again tell them you donate to CrimeBustersNow an international organization that investigates charity fraud. They will scramble to look up our website to see whats on it. A few people up here did just that. Put a couple of charities on the defensive. I began checking out the telemaketers for the Hospital for Sick Children. They didn't like the questions and I didn't get many straight answers as to how much the "phone jockies" and the millionare marketing companies receieved vis-a-vis the sick kids. Up to 84.5% of the money raised in Ontario supposedly for "cops to take kids fishing" goes to wealthy telemarketers in West Virginia, and a "chunk" of the measly 15.5 to the "Ontario Police Association" (a big boys club") before a few token kids on a photo op for the "Province's Finest" get a dime for their worms and stuff. It's disgusting. Maybe illegal. Over 60% interest is illegal loan sharking. What is 84.5% for telemarketers and some for the big boy's club before the kids get anything. Does anyone out there know the laws on this stuff. There needs to be an overhaul of charity methods of fund raising, certainly an investigation and more tranparency. gatordave... crimebustersnow.com call 24/7 we return calls toll free in North America and 22 countries. | ||
| pickled_sausage Intermediate Member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 113 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.93.21.87 |
Are you kidding me? Give to Dustbusters Now over the United Way? This will do more good for our communities and those in need? Now I know that you've really lost perspective. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1751 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
It will hopefully clean up the methods of fundraising with a proper amount going to those the money is supposed to be raised for. Or do you, "PICKLED BRAINS" think it just fine for 84.5% of a senior's donation for sending "kids fishing with cops" goes to U.S. telemarketers and then the police association takes their undisclosed "cut" then whatever is left over used to take a few token kids fishing;... the premise the scam is built upon, with praises of course to the cops who did nothing but get a free fishing trip and a big pat on the back by the duped and unsuspecting public, particularly those seniors? But then we don't know who or what you are, "PICKLED BRAINS" other than just an anonymous big mouth from the shadows. You could very well be one of these sleazy cops, or a telemarketer on the take. Until you want to put a name and address to the face behind the "hood with the eyeholes cut out” you have little credibility here with your unwarented cheap attacks. Readers will notice I did not say give to CrimeBustersNow, though that would be nice to pay expenses. We are here to help and to clean up this corruption. I said just tell them you donate and they will check out our website and believe me they don’t want to be exposed on T.V. as Great West Entertainment was for selling sponsored tickets for handicapped kids that did not exist. Our aim is close down scams and clean up fund raising. If it means using our efforts for free as long as were here, then by all means do it! But it's obvious “PICKLED BRAINS” has little concern about scams, questionable fundraising and duped and defrauded citizens as long as he can hope to maintain the right-wing status quo by trying to discredit our efforts and anyone else willing to speak out. I just got back from spending two hours in the local coffee shop today with a young man who has been scammed in one of these pyramid frauds for over a thousand dollars and a contract for another couple of grand over the next two years afraid to tell his father for fear he’ll reprimand him for getting involved. Ironies of ironies I was supposed to contact the legal department of a huge corporation whose manager confirmed on my information that their name has been used without authorization lending credibility and legitimacy to this scam. The youth, surprised, tells me his dad works for the same company. That should prove extremely interesting indeed. gatordave... crimebustersnow.com call 24/7 we return calls toll free in North America and 22 countries. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1753 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
BTW the scam with the nonexistent tickets for the nonexistent handicapped kids was one of the affiliate organizations under the United Way. United Way indignantly denied any of their affiliates used private telemarketers. The fact is they did. And it was so proven and admitted. You’re a status quo kind o' guy "PICKLED BRAINS" can't see, don't want to look or think outside your comfortable prejudice box. The public is slowly beginning to look for the whole truth behind these multi million dollar charities and the disposition of funds rather than blindly accepting the propaganda they have been spoon fed over the years by the likes of people like the "PICKLED BRAINS" here and prominent people like, lets say a local jeweler or accountant belonging to many service organizations and golf courses, flying clubs etc., that mesmerize them with there wealth and language skills at fund raising dinners and such. They exist in every community. The structure is pretty well universal. Referred to as the status quo. | ||
| pickled_sausage Intermediate Member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 114 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.93.81.162 |
Dave...actually, I do not think it's acceptable when 84.5 % of monies raised do not go to the intended recipient. Having worked with Community Living in the past and made good friends with many dependent on it's services, I know that fishing trips and circus outings are not high on their list of needs. But I also believe that it's unrealistic to expect that groups such as the United Way would not outsource their fundraising activities to companies who make this their core competency. United Way is not in the business of fundraising but rather in distribution of charitable donations. But there should be safety measures in place to ensure that the percentage of monies raised go to their intended target. Which is why Canadian law states that 80% of charitable donations raised must go directly to charitable activities, leaving only 15-20% for administration and paying of fundraisers. Maybe your expose' on Great West was is some part responsible for the establishment of this law. If so, Bravo! Now the argument about where the funds raised by United Way are distributed is different. We'd be hard pressed to find anyone who fully supports the agenda of each an every recipient of United Way funds. | ||
| nolurkingonme Junior Member Username: nolurkingonme Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 69.85.147.239 |
wow; now this is a subject i have read something about. there has recently been a conviction in Kalispell, Montana concerning a business man who was using the United Way to get sexual information about girls. then he was using them for prostitutes, and getting them addicted to drugs. I think it was in a newspaper called the "New West", but if you have some patience i can look it up. just off the top of my head i remember surfing to it from the New York Times. they gave the author of this series of articles a journalism award. maybe, if you google "meth amphetamines and kalispell" you can find it for yourself. my book marks need better organization. i do know that they only convicted him, and sent him to prison for a year or so. the mom of the dead child was really upset. this businessman had met her daughter at her place of work which was a beauty salon. he always picked girls from really poor families, and gave them loans they couldn't repay. hmmm....let me see if i can find it...are you really that interested?? | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1757 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
That's pretty horrible stuff "nolurkin" but that's more along the lines of individuals misusing positions of trust or diverting funds by misusing the Red Cross website for example. Unless it was policy or wide spread with the assistance of the top people of the organization or with their knowledge and they deliberately turned a blind eye the misused organization can not really be held accountable except for perhaps negligence in being sloppy with safeguards that allowed something like that to happen without their knowledge. The stuff I go after is systemic corruption. That is when corruption is widely known throughout the organization or the top positions where they have the power to expose and control it but fail to do so choosing instead to look the other way, and for a variety of reasons. Many times monetary (just follow the money) and also nepotism, or the excuse "it's been going on for so long we would "cut our own throats" if we exposed it now etc.," (status quo) i.e. The Red Cross with the tainted blood scandal. The top people in charge knew there was a problem but somehow used it anyway. All I can figure in these cases is they are to close to the problem and they fail in their duty. They fail to stand back and get an overview of the big picture or fail to calculate the future based on the available facts or obvious trend they are blindly creating. Or sometimes simply believing the means justifies the end. In the case of these charitable organizations and non profit organizations; I thought that battle was won with the expose on CTV's "W5". It's like it never happened. The method was exposed. Now how can The Ontario Police Association with their high profile be seen to be responsible for sending up to 84.5% of Ontarians hard earned money, particularly seniors, to wealthy U.S. telemarketers. They are the police for heaven sakes. They have I believe, 7000 members in Metro Police. And of course there is a Chief supposed to oversee anything that might bring disrepute to his force. And what about the mayor and councilors? Now as anyone knows these things really disturb me and when it is "widows and orphans" type situations being taken advantage of I may lack, for want of a better term, what is called diplomacy, which to tell you the truth in gatordave's observation dictionary oft times is synonymous with B.S. Now, it never starts off that way. I talk reasonably, I point out facts reasonably, I ask questions reasonably, I ask for answers reasonably. I point out in a reasonable way that individuals are being hurt; the community is being hurt and I ask for the appropriate action to be taken. First you're ignored, then harassed, then intimidated, then lied about, then assaulted and eventually, if you don't stop protesting and lay off the subject shot dead or worse "harassed to the grave. Now that's the way it goes. So, having been ignored and harassed enough in other matters this email to the Toronto Mayor and council lacks some of that diplomacy I mentioned and certainly the "sugar coating" sickly sweet words some use. But the facts are clear and the message unambiguous. Anyone can verify those facts with a simple toll free number provided to the U.S. telemarketing company. I did not receive one return email from councilors or the Mayor of Toronto. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1758 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
What can anyone take from that except that the mayor and council of Metro Toronto could care less if U.S. telemarketers rip off their seniors, households and legal corporations and businesses sending millions out of the country. They simply, in their silence, condone the practice without the decency to simply send back an email saying so. And if I persist in trying to bring the matter to the public’s attention with a public demonstration with my bull horn in front of city hall it gives them the excuse to call those same police officers and if I refuse to cease and desist and try to ward off an arrest they have the excuse they are looking for to put that special protester bullet in my head. And they can back up their actions by all the false reports and lies they have build up in the huge file since in 2003 when I started an investigation and attempted to get $11,000 returned to two women that were ripped off in the pyramid fraud “Women Empowering Women” promoted by police officers, their families, government officials, school board officials, teachers, politicians, corrupt lawyers, accountants, real estate agents, insurance agents, etc., etc., the forerunner of the pyramid frauds our struggling organization crimebustersnow.com attempts to protect our society against, particularly seniors and students, by closing them down. And that is the anatomy of democracy in this country in this day and age. Certainly in this province. From CrimeBustersNow www.cimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 July 4, 2006 Dear Mayor Miller and members of Toronto Council. Due to a number of complaints we have received, it is with great concern as the President of CrimeBustersNow that I find it necessary to contact your offices. CrimeBustersNow is a non- profit organization concerned with worldwide exponentially exploding crime of money laundering including, pyramid and Ponzi schemes, illegal and highly questionable telemarketing practices, particularly the soliciting of funds for sponsorship through non-existent tickets for non-existent or highly exaggerated numbers of handicapped children, seniors and other groups: programs allegedly for variety shows and events that either outright do not exist for them, or again highly exaggerated to the point of fraud. We also investigate counterfeit goods and counterfeit safety labels i.e. CSA & UL labels, the seriousness of the use of which on substandard hospital circuit breakers can not be overstated, and on children’s “nite lights” and novelty lights etc. which can cause fires in homes and the death of children and entire families. These are the crimes we pursue: “Crimes of Persuasion” and serious crimes of fraudulent misrepresentation. My name is David Thornton I am President of CrimeBustersNow. Before the creation of CBN, I had been on the National Program “W5” my face voluntarily obscured, and without compensation or recognition, much of the investigation personally financed by myself to the tune of over $1000 out of pocket expenses. I did this to expose the selling of sponsored tickets to seniors, families, businesses, and huge corporations; these tickets falsely represented to be used to bus handicapped kids to variety shows. There were no buses with handicapped children. There were no shows for them. This was fraud. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1759 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
With corrupt police and others of authorities involved in many of the various frauds, mentioned above, police, we feel quite naturally, are reluctant to investigate. If they do conduct even a modicum of investigation, which many times is all that is required to uncover the truth, police tactics such as intimidation and false charges are systematically trumped up against complainants, or police willingly process false accusations from the criminals against the “whistle blowers” in order to keep suppress, the truth about these frauds and scams while they steadfastly refuse to take action to shut these scams down. It is our fervent belief that for any individual in authority, or politician to simply send our organization in an endless run-round from department to department of law enforcement and government agencies and “do nothing” private agencies such as “Crime Stoppers” the BBB and others, while showing little or no concern for the defrauding of their own citizens including seniors, handicapped kids, the financially unsophisticated, students in university, college and now even high schools, the financially desperate, the not so unsophisticated and even the obviously intelligent and financially sophisticated; i.e. chartered accountants being scammed, is simply the wrong attitude. And the “clean up” begins with attitude. It all begins with attitude. Much of this illegal activity is operating in the Golden Triangle of Ontario particularly in an around the Toronto Area. Again, if jurisdiction in these matters are multifaceted crisscrossing many law enforcement authorities and agencies and nothing appreciable is done as a result of the “buck passing”, in our opinion this inaction does not give local police departments and local government a right nor a legal or moral excuse to simply ignore the appalling situation to the detriment of their own local citizens? The first of many fraudulent and/or highly questionable practices in a long list of activities we are pursuing and intend to bring to your attention is the soliciting of funds by a U.S. telemarketing Company with “offices” (a “boiler room” operation with many telephones located apparently in Ontario) “hired” by the Ontario Police Association for a number of so-called community events. The particular “fund raiser” we are concerned about was created on the pretext of citizen’s paying for cops to take kids fishing. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1760 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
Now we have evidence, confirmed by that very telemarketing service; Millennium Teleservices in Charleston West Virginia, that up to 84.5% of the funds raised from citizens, many seniors, the easiest single targeted group able to be successfully “high pressured” into giving, goes directly to the telemarketing fund raisers. The paltry guarantee of a minimum of only 15.5% of the “loot” collected, we have been informed by this telemarketing organization, goes for 3 programs: 1) The general well being of the Ontario Police Association. - In the opinion of CBN that is nothing more than a “Big Boy’s” club for the benefit of its own members with little oversight by government as to the percentage of the paltry guaranteed 15.5% of raised funds that first go to the Police Association coffers for their members and their discretion of how they will use it, vis-à-vis the kids fishing. The “Cops Taking Kids Fishing” pitch is of course the camouflaged “line” used and attached to the “bait” needed to “hook” these generous citizens and “reel” in their money…… And that “catch” can amount to millions of dollars leaving Canada straight into the pockets of American Telemarketers. 2) The program to abolish “Club Fed” and keep criminals in jail longer. - Our opinion is that this is a popular and “cheap shot” banner anyone can wave to whip up sentiment. 3) The cops take kids fishing “program” – CBN’s investigation reveals that after the cop’s association’s “cut” of the “proceeds”, though no percentage could be given by the telemarketing firm because the “cut” apparently is left to the discretion of the “Big Boy’s Club”; the Ontario Police Association, the dribbles left are used to take a few token “kids fishing with cops.” In the opinion of CrimeBustersNow, and based upon the fact that ordinary citizens and members of other organizations take kids fishing at their own individual expense, just for the shear mutual fun of it, makes this program of raising 10’s and 100’s of thousands maybe millions of dollars, questionable at best and brings the use of telemarketing firms and their reputations further into odium, particularly U.S. telemarketing “boiler room” operations soliciting for the Police Association in Ontario. This, in our opinion also brings the Ontario Police Association into odium, and like the smell of dead fish it’s stench is carried and spreads to the police forces across Ontario; Metro being the largest. Now, we believe it to be self evident that we are on the right track chasing scammers and questionable fundraisers. And this seems to be confirmed by this latest release sent to our organization by a California Club we keep in contact with that tracks and reports scams and questionable investments and businesses engaged in dubious telemarketing etc. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1761 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
It must also be self evident, though CBN nonetheless took the trouble to confirm in conversation with citizens who gave to this “fundraiser,” that if these generous citizens had realized that a paltry amount of only 15.5% stayed in this country instead of the 50.5% they thought they heard from the “phone jockey”, and that the money was split up under the sole discretion of the Police Association as to how much they will spend on themselves, vis-à-vis the kids, these victims, as they now see themselves, would not have given a cent. Those we spoke to of course had no idea the bulk of their donations were leaving the country. It is also self evident that the word “police” is used in the pitch as a credibility lever, and sometimes an intimidating factor to greatly lower the victim’s resistance to parting with their money. Many of the victims we interviewed of course believed this is actually the police department calling. Some felt intimidated into giving, as any right minded person would understand having heard the telephone tactics. And further, when they thought about it, came to the conclusion that to use kids to give cops a free fishing trip and money for their own club, did not see that as altruism. And frankly, neither do we at CrimeBustersNow. This is an example of the extent of the problem. - sent to CBN by U.S. sources. AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF POLICE OFFICERS, VET-POL ADVERTISING – Phil LeConte, David Dierks. Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan last week obtained a preliminary injunction against a Chicago fundraiser, Vet-Pol Advertising, Inc., barring it from soliciting contributions in Illinois. Madigan is currently seeking to enforce an existing Consent Decree, entered against Vet-Pol in June 2004, by which Vet-Pol admitted to violating and subsequently agreed to follow Illinois’ Solicitation for Charity Act. The present action alleges that Vet-Pol, once again, has violated the terms of the Consent Decree and Solicitation Act by failing to re-register as a “Professional Fund Raiser” while using deceptive solicitations to raise money on behalf of a questionable out-of-state “charity” now known as the American Association of Police Officers, a Texas organization with alleged ties to law enforcement. Vet-Pol’s solicitors, many of whom are not registered to solicit in Illinois, repeatedly telephone potential donors and misrepresent that the call is from or for “veteran police,” and hide the fact that Vet-Pol keeps 90 percent of all money it collects “for charity.” AAPO’s founding members, Phil LeConte and David Dierks, are under investigation in several states, in addition to Illinois, devotes only a fraction of the remaining 10% toward any charitable purpose. In exchange for purchasing an AAPO “membership,” donors receive an “official blue and gold five point police star logo medallion,” which the solicitors misrepresent gives “members” a degree of recognition in the eyes of local law enforcement. In truth, the medallions, which Vet-Pol instructs donors to display on their vehicles, are not recognized by Illinois law enforcement personnel. -END | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1762 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
Now, these are very serious issues. We are asking each one of you to follow the lead of Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan who as quoted above,…. “last week obtained a preliminary injunction against a Chicago fundraiser, Vet-Pol Advertising, Inc., barring it from soliciting contributions in Illinois.” We ask you to follow that lead by demanding the Attorney General of this province, who is soft on pyramid fraud, Ponzi schemes, and questionable telemarketing much of it tied to organized crime, to do likewise and obtain an injunction against Millennium Teleservices in Charleston West Virginia. As president of CBN and concerned about these matters and where this country is headed, I would like to point out CrimeBustersNow does not have the resources nor the power as of yet, nor the vast connections to “open” most of the doors or dismantle the barriers, or untangle the red tape it requires to be quickly heard or to even get recognized by the all the Attorneys General of U.S. States. We have made personal inroads with some U.S. police and world government individuals. However, as mayor of Toronto, you Sir have what is required to make direct enquiries of the Attorney General of the State of West Virginia and be heard in this specific matter in order to confirm the information and register a complaint. It may be that the Attorney General of the State of West Virginia would be extremely receptive to such a complaint in view of an apparent crack down in many states by the Attorneys Generals, FBI., FTC, & SEC of these various frauds and/or questionable activities. So, the money game seems to be, that police, using their credibility, take a few token kids fishing on what others donate; the media may take pictures as they often do for community “news” papers showing what great guys these cops are, and what a great job they’re doing helping kids and their community, while behind the scenes millionaires stuff their pockets with generous Canadian citizen’s money...... begging the question…… “Do kids, seniors etc., use police and telemarketers to sponsor their events?..... Or do wealthy telemarketers and questionable cops use kids, seniors etc., to line their pockets and clubs with millions? A question we at www.crimebustersnow.com submit, needs looking into. This is the toll free 800 number of the telemarketing company Millennium Teleservices in Charleston West Virginia... 800-423-9411, so anyone, as we did can confirm the allegations contained herein. Our organization may be contacted 24/7 at 905-963-3389 or through return email for further information on this or any other questionable practice or outright illegal scam operating in your area. We await you comments for posting to our website. i.e. Counselor A – I think this is appalling and something should be done about it. Counselor B I thinks it doesn’t matter how much money is extracted from seniors and other citizens and how these funds are raised and split between cops and wealthy U.S. telemarketers so long as a few kids get to go fishing with cops and it looks good in the media. Counselor C – I have no opinion on the subject: indicating to CBN this counselor could care less or perhaps has a cozy relation with the OPA, money laundering, or perhaps this particular scheme. And the Mayor ……..??? Yours very truly, David Thornton - President CBN | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1768 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
O.K. "PICKLED SAUSAGE" you wrote “Dave...actually, I do not think it's acceptable when 84.5 % of monies raised do not go to the intended recipient. Having worked with Community Living in the past and made good friends with many dependent on its services, I know that fishing trips and circus outings are not high on their list of needs." You see, I beleive that the vast majority of Canadains would agree, but who's telling them? High on their list of needs (or wants) is money: not the phony fishing trips or the circus outing for kids. That is the "phony pitch" that pulls on the heartstrings of the unsuspecting public and corporations relieving them of millions thinking they are are sending thousands of handicapped kids to outings. The telemarketing organizations (organized crime) that are contracted, and unscrupulous enough to pull off these scams, demand high returns for this kind of activity. That's how the vast majority of the individual real world of fundraising operates. Right to the very top. Sometimes "PS" you sound sincere and understanding about these issues other times venomously attacking, like it's not happening and anyone, such as myself simply trying to point out the truth has a mental disorder and trying to ruin democracy. Maybe, as I say, you really don't know what's going on, and you believe nothing until it's printed in the "mainline," (corporate and police, if not controlled), heavily influenced media. I did post this email on the AMERICAN ASSOCIATION of POLICE OFFICERS but it also has relevance here. The window is opening wider on these scams and if you are as sincere as you seem in your last post concerning percentages I would urge you to contact that media, ask them to at least verify these facts, and then ask them why they are ignoring and suppressing from the general public, what is really going on. I’m just trying to irradiate the corruption from this country. Look at it this way. For the police to contract with organized criminals to use the power of police to raise millions of dollars going into homes and businesses "robbing them of millions through these deceptive tactics" as long as the police, firefighter and other such organizations receive a 15% cut..... is that not the same as "booze, gambling, past posting horse race betting scams and rackets run by Al Capone that the police ignored and protected for a 10 or 15% payoff. It's the same racketering crime just somewhat cleaned up and sophisticated. Check out the email from a fundraiser of Millennium Teleservices to CrimeBustersNow. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1769 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
Received by CrimeBustersNow ----- Original Message ----- From: xxxx xxxxx To: gatoraid@sympatico.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: MILLENNIUM TELESERVICES ET AL As a former employee of Millennium Teleservices, we canvassed on behalf of the Police association of Ontario and the Canadian association of Fire Chiefs. When someone asked how much went to the organization we were told to say 15%. The company is now calling on behalf of the Alberta Federation of Police Associations, the British Columbia Federation of Police as well as the above. Current employees were forced to sign a statement saying that if the customer understood or the Telesales Rep. said that RCMP was a member of the association, the Sales Rep would bear the whole brunt of legal action. Telesales Reps. are held responsible for disclosure, sales and, yes, even collections. If LESS THAN a certain amount of your donations don't come back, the Sales Rep is written up for discipline, or even dismissed for one day or more. The thing is, many people are still giving thousands of dollars to Millennium every day. Bullying is the 'management technique' employed on the workers. How can the message be put out to the public to make them aware of these facts? Would canvassing the support of provincial politicians/representatives be fruitful? Name Withheld Brought to you by crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 call 24/7 we return calls toll free in North America and 22 countries. P.S. Didn't Al Capone threaten, intimidate and "disipline" those who worked for him? (Message edited by gatordave on July 27, 2006) | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1852 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
And now we have it: The "smoking gun." The cops the crooks and the politicians. The unabashed welcome mat out for the shady telemarketers. The mayor and council of Oshawa Ontario welcome Millennium Telesevices. The council actually welcomes them to "rip off" the citizens of Oshawa. Out of a million dollars donated by their misinformed and unsuspecting citizens, many of them seniors, $840,000 leaves Oshawa; less a small percentage to the "boiler room and its employees." How does that benefit the city and the citizens of Oshawa, Ontario, and Canada, and the kids they pretend to help? One might wonder, just who and how many are being paid off here??? At the same time the hypocrites at Crime Stoppers are telling citizens not to give money to crooked telemarketers so when these characters for Millennium call "on behalf of the Police Association" people believe they must be "the good charities" and on the "level" being promoted by cops and welcomed with open arms by their elected representatives. Watch this thread there will be revelations of the organization Crime Stoppers and corrupt OPP officer Barry Elliot. Just like the police and politicians promoting their other scams: pyramid fraud and Ponzi Schemes. Again, check it out. Notice too that "Pickled Sausage" (in his post above) worked with Community Living, the organization I exposed on "W5" who knowingly hired Great West Entertainment to do their "dirty work" of defrauding citizens by falsely claiming they were taking their handicapped children to see bogus shows. They allowed their kids to be used as pawns in their money laundering scheme to defraud the masses and assist criminals as long as they received a small cut. Now we are getting closer to exposing the real "Pickled Sausage" and his years of interest in attempting to destroy my credibility on this forum to protect the status quo when it is the organizations and people he worked with who are the cheats, liars and crooks. Also check out the article in the Toronto Sun Sunday Nov. 19 /06. This is a quote by the Mayor of Oshawa. "On behalf of City Council, I would like to welcome Millennium Teleservices to Oshawa," said Mayor John Grey. "I am extremely pleased that this marketing leader chose our city as the home for its new call centre." You can check it out!!! CrimeBustersNow only brings you the truth! Can you handle the truth? The truth about your corrupt police, politicians and corporations, "Pickled Sausage", Bruce Audley, The Phoney "TRUTH", "B.S. VOICE OF TREASON" and the thieving rat; pyramid fraud artist "Make 7000"? http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=mayor+oshawa+millennium+teleservices&spell=1 dave crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 we return calls toll free in North America and 22 countries world-wide. | ||
| pickled_sausage Intermediate Member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 120 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.156.153.110 |
Dave: Surely you can't be holding a grudge against Community Living some 20 odd years later? This group's sole mandate is to provide greater community access, less institutionalization and overall improved quality of life for individuals with intellectual disabilities. I don't dispute what you say happened with the Mississauga branch back in the 80's. And perhaps your expose' helped in a setting a more rigid set of fundraising principles for the group. But I am concerned that someone reading this might miss the importance of this group and the good work they do. Today,virtually all of their fundraising is facilitated through Canada Helps(a non-profit group) which helps ensure that only a small % of donations go towards administrative overhead. I read the Toronto Star article on M.A.D.D this week(as I'm sure you did) with interest as it highlighted the high % of donations that went to the fundraisers themselves. So, there's no denying your position that this is happening. But does this mean that M.A.D.D is a corrupt group and not worthy of our attention or charity? I think any right thinking person would still agree with M.A.D.D's core values but question whether they have an ideal fundraising model in place(and insist on change). I prefer to think M.A.D.D has just made a "bad deal" vs being an inherently corrupt organization. I did also listen to your interview on Net Radio and you were very well spoken. I prefer to think of us as occasional adversaries as opposed to enemies(I think this is true of some of the others as well). I hold to my belief that you are far too jaded in your view of our Canadian nature and perception of those in positions of trust. As I'm sure you feel that I lack the practical experience of having witnessed abuses of power and corruption to know better. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between. Regardless, while I'm not fully prepared to sign on to your way of thinking I can't question your motivation which genuinely appears to be in the interest of preventing the vulnerable from being hurt. I wish you continued good luck and a peaceful holiday. PS | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1886 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
I do not hold a grudge against Community Living some 20 years later as you suggest. You, “Pickled Sausage” have this unique ability to spin the real truth into very unhelpful attacks. I was the one exposing the telemarketing fraudsters the hierarchy of Community Living (formally Mississauga Association for the Mentally Retarded) hired. That cost me personally over 1 grand, an assault by a room manager and I gave up a $2,500 - $3,000 a week job that I very much enjoyed until discovering it was fraud. I could have simply heeded “Make 70000” advice and just “SHUT UP,” taken the money and continued perpetrating the fraud like I see these self proclaimed “pillars of our society” doing. Now, instead of authorities charging the company for fraud, and closing them down and jailing the fraudsters for selling over 35,000 tickets for handicapped children that did not exist, they instead protected them from prosecution, allowed them to change their name (as did TTI) and continue the fraud. And again, like TTI, this telemarketing company continued to make money through fraud on “behalf of,” among others..... guess who? The police, firefighters and organizations heavily connected to police such as M.A.D.D. And now M.A.D.D. attempts to "white wash" the fraud with very "colourful accounting" something like Enron and Anderson. The company? ... Great West Entertainment, now Xentel is, without a doubt, one of the most, if not the most despicable, disgusting, telemarketing organizations in North America. The public will be shocked when they find out the list of some 350 to 400 organizations and charities, many representing sick and handicapped children this reprehensible organization exploits to fill its own pockets with millions of dollars supposedly going to charity and good causes. And espousing, and bolstering the “core values” of any organization, as you and others "Pickled Sausage" have done seeking "damage contol" is no excuse or answer to despicable, deceptive fund raising. The first core value is the truth without fraudulent misrepresentation, and fraudulent misrepresentation is what this telemarketing company has been continually guilty of. And, I might add, I have no fear of any law suit from them, the police or any organization using them such as M.A.D.D. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1887 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
Now, “Pickled Sausage” you write “Regardless, while I'm not fully prepared to sign on to your way of thinking I can't question your motivation which genuinely appears to be in the interest of preventing the vulnerable from being hurt.” Although your statement finally acknowledges that at least "my motives genuinely “appear” to be in the interest of preventing the vulnerable from being hurt," and I thank you for that, that statement also strongly suggests I am exaggerating the situation. What I would suggest, which I have been pointing out since I have come to this board, is that you and others have your “head in the sand” and don’t wish to confront reality and understand these issues clearly and the real harm they do. After all it would appear you had little or no knowledge of this “underbelly” of fundraising activity and the high profile charities involved, and nothing I wrote or could have written, or facts I presented to you had any effect in changing your mind until you read it years later, (now) in the Toronto Star. I would also suggest if you ever fully understand the magnitude of what I am investigating, and knew all that I know and I have investigated in past years and full time for nearly four years now you might very well “sign on to my way of thinking” as opposed to your stated position “while I'm not fully prepared to sign on to your way of thinking……...” My thinking comes from the facts staring me in the face. If I were willing to “put my head in the sand” allowing myself to remain ignorant of those facts I could well be fully prepared “to sign on to your way of thinking.” You took the same attitude with TTI when I declared it illegal, and my linking it to the “Women Empowering Women” pyramid fraud, and you and the cyber bullies tore my arguments apart, ridiculed and ripped me to pieces personally. TTI, you people asserted, was perfectly legal and different from WEW. It was network marketing you insisted. No law enforcement every said it was illegal, was your position. No court had ruled it was illegal, Therefore (even despite the fact it was closed down by the High Court of England) it was perfectly legal in Canada and I of course didn’t know what I was talking about. Well now you can read the 18 page decision of the Ontario Superior Court Judge in the $10,000,000 law suit; Treasure Traders International and BIM V. David John Thornton. I have, according to the judge, established a prima facie case of pyramid fraud and successfully linked TTI and BIM to the “WEW” pyramid fraud. We have won a major victory for the "vulnerable" not only against TTI and BIM but others that would duplicate the same fraud with colourful smoke and distorted mirrors. I was able to establish a prima facie case with the simple un-coloured truth, the same truth that I have posted here for years. Check the Superior Court’s decision at our home page with a simple click at our website www.crimbustersnow.com . It will take a few minutes to download. It is a very clear, very thoughtful and unambiguous ruling, which takes into consideration the “balance of convenience” not just as between TTI and myself but rather as it relates to the “public’s interest.” It is, in my opinion, a large “blow from the hammer of justice” against fraud. Dave www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 we return calls toll free in North America and 22 countries world-wide. |
