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     gatordave Intermediate Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 107 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.178.119 |
THE PIGEON KING INTERNATIONAL The Pigeon King International, Posting huge ads in a variety of publications and advertising on radio, at agricultural fairs with owner, fraud artist Arlan Galbraith promoting himself on talk shows etc. is, in fact, operating a huge fraudulent Ponzi scheme defrauding retired farmers, young farmers, women and children all over North America. They have moved in on, and targeting the Amish communities in North America. This is not a few hundred or thousands of dollars of fraud we're talking about here; this is reprehensibly 20, 30, 40, 50, 100's of thousands, even half a million or more in losses individually. And it will collapse, as is the nature of all Ponzi schemes, leaving later investors with no viable market for the $500 a pr. ("purported special pedigree") pigeons" they have been swindled into purchasing. The worldwide headquarters of this fraud is in Waterloo, Ontario. CrimebustersNow is actively pursuing the scam, and the unconscionable money laundering, racketeering crook; Mr. Arlan Galbraith. Again, police are fully aware of the fraud but have not shut it down nor are they warning the hundreds, and thousands of potential victims in North America and worldwide. That is why CrimebustersNow was created. We are warning potential victims worldwide, and warning them, NOW and fully intend to shut this massive money laundering, racketeering, fraudulent Ponzi scheme, down. David J. Thornton President CrimeBustersNow World-Wide Fraud Investigations Consultants in International Money Laundering Fraud Telemarketing Scams Counterfeit Goods Pyramid & Ponzi Schemes Oakville, Ontario www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 calls returned toll free in North America and countries world-wide | ||
| pickled_sausage New member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.49.35.34 |
Hi Dave: I have briefly looked at their website, watched their video on raising pigeons etc. While it certainly seems a curious(and not necessarily overly profitable) business endeavour, I'm not sure I get where the scam comes in. I'm sure it's not evident in their promotional material but it appears on the surface as if it is advertised as more of a hobby than business venture. Can you elaborate on the investments that individual farmers are asked to make, promises of return etc. Thanks | ||
| gatordave Intermediate Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 108 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.178.119 |
As I pointed out in my post above. 20, 30, 40, 50, 100's of thousands, even half a million or more. I do tend to always try to under-report and remain conservative; you see Galbraith himself, last week informed me he had in fact concluded a million dollar deal and that he deals in million of investors' money. Also if you check the website, and the photos of pigeon "raising" barns and holding barns, the company offices, the vehicles, wages, advertising, and other overhead expenses to run this operation and the personal expenses of Galbraith and his family; homes, vehicles, recreation and other expenses, it is more than obvious, this is no small "mom and pop" enterprise he's promoting, nor is it a children's hobby or "petting zoo." The Pigeon King Number is on their website. 519-885-6132 local, or 800-385-6132; Call him; ask some simple common sense questions like the one that "hit me immediately" after interviewing an Amish Farmer near Kincardine were I used to live. "why are the offspring of two essentially genetically identical birds, with identical "values" two wildly different prices???" i.e. Three years ago the Farmer pays $80.00 per pair for breeding stock. He receives $18 for offspring. Now the price of the same breeding birds for some reason, have escalated, (set by Galbraith) to $500 per pair, (a bit "akin" to $150 emeralds appraised internally at $5000) and those $500.00 per pair offspring, are purchased back by calibrates for $50.00. Again, if they are essentially the same birds, then the price of the first birds' offspring should have appreciated equally in a "free market system" which I think all of us believe in. That, is just one of the simple "red flags" arousing my suspicion into this whole operation. Now, I notice "PS" that you.... "have briefly looked at their website"; it's worthy to note that I have already conducted an investigation into the scam consisting of over 300 hours including contacting the president of the Federation of Agriculture, Oxford county, pigeon racers and fanciers worldwide, the attorneys general of several U.S. states, which is ongoing at the present time, members of both Canadian and U.S. Amish communities, the Waterloo and Regional Police Fraud Squad who are "aware" of this operation but whose investigator was on holiday at the time of my inquiries, the news media and others. I hope this information proves helpful to members of Galbraith's targeted public. dave p.s. It seems we have some resonable dialogue going on here and hope you, "P.S." and others may understand that I'm genuinely concerned about these people who are going to lose in the catastrophic collapse of this unconscionable Ponzi scheme and more importantly, the exponentially expanding base of new victims. David J. Thornton President CrimeBustersNow World-Wide Fraud Investigations Consultants in International Money Laundering Fraud Telemarketing Scams Counterfeit Goods Pyramid & Ponzi Schemes Oakville, Ontario www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 calls returned toll free in North America and countries world-wide | ||
| gatordave Intermediate Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 109 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.178.119 |
This is the latest important information on the Pigeon King International, Arlan Galbraith. It is much easier to click this link than split the posting and all the other technical work. http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=196925 David J. Thornton President CrimeBustersNow World-Wide Fraud Investigations Consultants in International Money Laundering Fraud Telemarketing Scams Counterfeit Goods Pyramid & Ponzi Schemes Oakville, Ontario www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 calls returned toll free in North America and countries world-wide | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2114 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.178.119 |
The Vancouver Forum has censored the truth about the PIGEON KING INTERNATIONAL BY REMOVING EVERYONES POSTINGS What I know, and what I can prove now, is that there are RCMP, OPP, Regional Poilce , judges wives politicians, lawyers etc. involved in these pyramid schemes from top to bottom. Vancouver forum carries some of the most vile uncensored stuff, lies etc. An open forum. The truth it looks like gets covered up by both the cops and the dirty fraudsters they take money from and deal with. Maybe some of the advertizers on the forum got it shut down because most are scams and pyramid schemes. That the truth in this county. And the truth will be banned!!!!!!! Filthy criminal cops prevail. All you farmers start protesting to my government. This fraud is going down and you are going to lose millions unless you speak out. dave www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2130 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
The Postings on the Vancouver forum have been restored. These are the latest. The rest can be accessed at the bottom of the page. http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=202453&whichpage=3 dave David J. Thornton President CrimeBustersNow World-Wide Fraud Investigations Consultants in International Money Laundering Fraud Telemarketing Scams Counterfeit Goods Pyramid & Ponzi Schemes Oakville, Ontario www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 calls returned toll free in North America and countries world-wide | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2133 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
The hackers have taken over the Vancouver Forum. Why anyone would believe people as devious as that and invest $750,000 and even over a million is beyond me. Now Ronin you wrote ….. “my case in point is your post in regards to Arlan using a string and a needle to determine the sex of his birds. This came from a 'credible source'???? Come on now Dave, you MUST be desperate to post something like that.” I’m not desperate. If that is what was told to me, would you not want to know? I do a lot of investigation. You can believe what you want. Much of what I tell you is documented in government files and/or court transcripts. Now when I say a “credible source” I mean someone who gives their name and phone number who I can check out independently. Info I am given must check out from other reliable sources to establish crediblity. So, I bring info I collect and post it so you can perhaps ask questions and verify if others have a similar experience. If I receive information from an anonymous source I attempt to also verify that with facts to see if the info can be established, or if I feel it’s important enough I will put it out as received by an anonymous source so others can check it out. I’m not going to say it’s the truth, only that it was said. i.e. Is someone tells me anonymously that a bridge is out in a foggy area I would post that as an unsubsanuated piece of information with dir consequences if true and would attempt to warn anyone on that road and ask if it is not too much trouble, and if your in the area could someone verify if that as true or a cruel hoax. Would you rather I said nothing and if true, untold numbers of vehicles end up over a cliff and families dead. Can you see that’s the difference between open minded and closed minded selfish people who make fun of those who attempt to help others who could care less what happens to their own neighbour, sometimes even members of their own families? Now perhaps instead of berating me for explaining to you the information I am receiving you might explain how the pigeons are in fact sexed. Each farmer knows at least some of what is going on at the Pigeon King. If the info I have been given is true many would know regardless of what you and a few trolls post. If you come back with an explanation that the honest producers recognize is a lie, then the search for truth and what else might be false and suppressed begins. So, remember, I did not say that Galbraith uses a needle to sex these birds, only that it came from what I have determined to be a reliable source. If I were in this business I would want to be informed as to what is being stated out there so I might be forewarned and take action if necessary; which brings us to a very relivant point. Why doesn’t Galbraith ask for an injunction to close me down? You see I just found out that another credit union is handing out my information to warn the community. I’m sure they didn’t do that lightly when they are talking millions of dollars. One farmer alone was looking to invest $600,000. So having them accept my credibility means far more than a bunch of anonymous sniping trolls on the internet. And as I have pointed out, “Help Wanted” and the rest, are simple cowards; not unlike the KKK hiding and attacking behind sheets of anonymity afraid to post their names and phone numbers. And talk about posting irrelevant material: This ”Help Wanted” you follow like some “brainwashed” groupee, Ronin, is cutting and pasting everything he can find on the internet. What relevance is that to the price of $50 unmarketable pigeons? dave | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2134 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
In answer to the Vancouver Forum This quote by "Successful" is indeed interesting." "I feel this forum is only for people who don't want to show their faces and want to spread terrible lies about different companies because they are not happy in there own lies and if people take the word of this forum then they lack education and common sense." I opened the thread on the Vancouver Forum with my name phone number and website. My picture is on my website and on You Tube. You, on the other hand are one the ones who doesn't show their face, name or phone# and anonymously spreads lies. It's also interesting how you pro-Pigeon King so bold faced accuse other of what you are doing. Then you state, and most ridiculously I must add... "I am proof that banks are willing to look at you under certain conditions." The fact is, you're no proof all! No name; no way to contact you; and you don't even tell us what community you live in or even the name of all these alleged banks that will deal with potential Pigeon King victims. dave The "terrible lies" I spread about Treasure Traders Interantional on factnet.org got them closed by England's High Court and their "butts kicked" in the Ontario Superior Civil Court. So just where are you coming from taking umbridge with the High Court of England and the Ontario Superior Court! David J. Thornton President CrimeBustersNow World-Wide Fraud Investigations Consultants in International Money Laundering Fraud Telemarketing Scams Counterfeit Goods Pyramid & Ponzi Schemes Oakville, Ontario www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 calls returned toll free in North America and countries world-wide | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2136 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
Galbraith has pulled a sly one without revealing it to anyone that I know of. According to his website he is no longer a member in good standing with the Canadian Federation of Independent Business as he so prominently displayed for credibility. The claim has vanished. Come on Arlan. Haven't you enough money to pay your dues? Or maybe that big row I had with the young "used to be lawyer" Nathan Mean at the CFIB caused you some grief and difficulty? With all the secrecy in this country will we ever know the truth? Can you explain to your "sheep" how you lost that major piece of credibility you and that your "song birds" so eloquently and prominently "chirped" and touted. This Ponzi scheme is coming down! Advice to you potential victims: stay away! Run! A small media has gotten a hold of it. Check out the 5 part story. Others media are soon to follow, I'm sure. And that will prove fatal for those getting in now if there is no one to "follow the leader” so you will not recover your "investment:" It’s just the simple truth. dave http://www.1047.ca/news.php?date=2007-10-19%2012:36:13&range=30} | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2139 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
09 November 2007 Open letter to Arlan Galbraith Pigeon King International. I received a call this morning from Jim Harkness of Hanover whose son builds pigeon lofts for “victims” of yours Mr. Galbraith. His advertisements are carried in Pigeon King International’s “Pigeon Post” newsletter. I called his son some weeks ago and explained your operation. And Mr. Galbraith, I can tell you; if you want to run a scam be careful of those of integrity and moral turpitude you unwittingly involved in your fraud. It is sure to come back and “bite you.” As you well know Mr. Galbraith, after he contacted you, he will no longer be building pigeon lofts to support your fraudulent enterprise and has told you to “cease and desist” in using his company’s name on any Pigeon King International advertising. Now, I will continue to contact anyone I can find who does business with you Mr. Galbraith until I “rip” this illegal money-laundering racketeering fraud to shreds. And that I promise Mr. Galbraith! I do it especially for the children, who, that although their lives will be drastically affected and altered through your greed, are the ultimate unwitting victims who have no say in whether this will be imposed on them or not: For the sake of the children, Mr. Galbraith; for the sake of the children, you selfish, irresponsible, white-collar, international, money-laundering, racketeering criminal: for the sake of the children. Use your calculator Mr. Galbraith; multiply the number of farms that will lose when you’re criminal Ponzi scheme collapses, by a number of children on each of those farms, then see if you can find a tiny ember of whatever may be left of a conscience you may once have possessed, and do as I demanded on August 20, 2007: "Stop advertising and stop writing contracts!" David J. Thornton President CrimeBustersNow World-Wide Fraud Investigations Consultants in International Money Laundering Fraud Telemarketing Scams Counterfeit Goods Pyramid & Ponzi Schemes Oakville, Ontario www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 calls returned toll free in North America and countries world-wide | ||
| help_wanted New member Username: help_wanted Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 208.114.145.62 |
I see the NUT has spoken lol aaaaaaaaaaaaa shut up will ya your giving us all a sore head lol  | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2151 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
The answer to this gossip you'll find here. @ Post #3 dave http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/1/33580.html?1195124945 | ||
| help_wanted New member Username: help_wanted Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 208.114.145.62 |
were are All of your freinds Dave The Idiot lol I still dont see nobody but you ...arnt you that guy that Raped your wife or tryed too not sure maybe I will google your name to find out lol | ||
| help_wanted New member Username: help_wanted Post Number: 13 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 208.114.145.62 |
Now back to the real scamers >>>> has anbody seen Dave The Idiot he has been preaty quiet latly lol cat got your tounge dave The Idiot Dave The Idiot ARE YOU OUT THERE STILL WAITING ????why do you do this to companies >>>http://www.cdtforever.com/eclipse/rep/clie...6A9474E81910759 and blackmail them into giving you hundred of thousand dollars for you to stop bashing them >>>were not talking hundred its >>>200.000 dollars you said >>>and your twisted mind seems to think this is a right thing to do ???? I will keep at you Dave The Idiot till you speak about what I asked >>>in the next few weeks I plan on spreading the news just like you do on business but only difference is I will be Targeting a real SCAMMER | ||
| help_wanted New member Username: help_wanted Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 208.114.145.62 |
Ok Dave were are your scamming freinds I wouldnt be suprised if there not in on your scam also bring the debate from the Vancover forum over to here so we can see the real truth >>Dave likes that place cause he can post under many names lol making his story sound good >>funny how It dont happen here lol looks like a real forum has him figured out for what he is a scammer Realy check this out on Dave the conartist>>> http://www.cdtforever.com/eclipse/rep/clie...6A9474E81910759 still waiting girls bring it on I know you clicked that link from the Vancouver forum to here lol (Message edited by help_wanted on December 02, 2007) | ||
| help_wanted New member Username: help_wanted Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 208.114.145.62 |
Ok my name will suit me fine tonight lol I cant get the link thing to work so cut and paste it into a browser then it will work sorry http://www.cdtforever.com/eclipse/rep/client/index.cfm?mode=entry&rep=CDT&entry=6A0A05EA-3048-59E6-26A9474E81910759 lol ok now try this one sorry about that listen To dave trying to get them to pay him 200.000 for him to shut up (Message edited by help_wanted on December 02, 2007) (Message edited by help_wanted on December 02, 2007) (Message edited by help_wanted on December 02, 2007) | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2156 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
On 12 November 2007, readers, this idiot wrote "shut up will ya your giving us all a sore head lol" He has now harassed me ever since for not replying. An idiot and a hypocrite; a breader and spokesperson for Pigeon King International. Why, one might quiry, on this display of nonsense alone, would anyone get involved in this fraudulent enterprise.... particularly Mennonites, Amish and or Hutterites. And you honestly believe, "HelpNeeded&Badly" that rational thinking individuals will believe you and won't see through your nonsense above? Just two false allegations alone should make readers wonder!!! From Canadian Diamond Traders website, carried on PKI pamphlets and spread by distributors. "David, who was once charged for the attempted rape and physical assault of his ex-wife, allegedly attacking her because she was a part of a business opportunity." 1) There were no charges of rape ever laid, or physical assault!!! There were not even allegations of rape!!! That can be verified by court documents, records and court transcripts. 2) Now readers, the "business opportunity" mentioned by Canadian Diamond Traders above was not a "business opportunity" at all; it was a 1-2-4-8 or 4 tier pyramid fraud known as "Women Empowering Women" aka, "Muffin Club" aka, "Dinner Club" aka "Circle of Friends" etc, etc. It was finally, and most reluctantly, partially broken up by Canadian police and exposed on the Ophra Show, Date-Line and other media in the U.S. who traced it to Canada. Many reports claim it was started by judges wives in Rosedale Toronto. Many Canadian police from all levels of policing and their wives were involved, particularly the high brass of the RCMP, politicians, lawyers, accountants, financial advisors, school board officials, teachers, nurses, etc, etc. AKA the "Fraud of the Decade" it spread world-wide. cont..... | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2157 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
Treasure Traders International promoted the same pyramid fraud using irrelevant emeralds as a ploy with 100,000 Canadians ultimately loosing $100,000,000. After CrimeBustersNow informed Interpol and Scotland Yard, TTI, on 14 December 2005, was shut down by England's High Court as an illegal pyramid fraud just as CrimeBustersNow had alleged. Canadian Diamond Traders is now promoting the same pyramid fraud using irrelevant diamonds, many victims are finding they cannot get 100 or even $50 dollars for their diamonds. check out the fraud..... http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20021208/ai_n12852124 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme And the following link is what Pigeon King International is all about. Breaders can't get more than 1 or $2 for Arlan Galbraith's $500/pr. "Magical Mongrel Bridge Pigeons" in the real marketplace!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme And here you may read about it all day. It really happened..... and Jay Waterman of CDT & Arlan Galbraith of PKI are in reality, international, white-collar, money laundering racketeers and victims are, and will soon be, suffering the devastating consequences of two more collapsed fraudulent schemes!!! http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=women+empowering+women+pyramid+fraud&btnG=Google+Search&meta= David J. Thornton President CrimeBustersNow World-Wide Fraud Investigations Consultants in International Money Laundering Fraud Telemarketing Scams Counterfeit Goods Pyramid & Ponzi Schemes Oakville, Ontario www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 calls returned toll free in North America and countries world-wide (Message edited by gatordave on December 04, 2007) | ||
| help_wanted New member Username: help_wanted Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 208.114.145.62 |
LMAO welcome back Dave The Idiot Like you see on a real forum Dave nobody cares what you say and nobody post to you on here but me lol and I really dont give a crap what you have to say >>just showing what you are and how you use a diffrent forum and multy post under difrent names to make it look good over there if Im not right bring your freinds here ...Night Night dont let the squab bite your @$$ | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2160 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
You keep on about everyones identity. You have never posted yours. Are you some kind of coward. Said you would meet me in my "office" at Tim Hortons. Do you ever tell the truth about anything???!!! I went to the Elmira far and protested alone in front of punks and pieces of garbage not unlike yourself. I didn't know what I would meet up with. Three "tough" jerks approached me in a most intimidating manner. Of course in the light of day I guess they thought better trying anything. It looks like they need a dark ally or "sheets over their heads." Some other clown claiming to be the owner thought he would bully me away from the enterence of the farm. Could't do it. I invited him to call the police. He did. That backfired. I had a very long and interesting conversation with the officer. Said he would look up the forum. Even gave him my phone number, a person is not by law required to give police. Told him he could search most of my posting on google with my number. The "gang" thought I was getting a "rolicing" from the cop and would be arrested. What a disappointment and what PKI liars discribing the incident. | ||
| help_wanted New member Username: help_wanted Post Number: 17 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 208.114.145.62 |
LMAO read there code of ethics lol they did what they were sopose to do to defuse the problem in a calm manner lmao as if he gonna call you to chat over a cup of tea>>lol your funny Dave >>and hell ya they will be comeing to the forum I know that for a fact ...lol It was already in the makings before your chat lmao NIGHT NIGHT dont let the squab bight your @$$ | ||
| help_wanted New member Username: help_wanted Post Number: 18 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 208.114.145.62 |
LMAO read there code of ethics lol they did what they were sopose to do to defuse the problem in a calm manner lmao as if he gonna call you to chat over a cup of tea>>lol your funny Dave >>and hell ya they will be comeing to the forum I know that for a fact ...lol It was already in the makings before your chat lmao NIGHT NIGHT dont let the squab bight your @$$ | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2161 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
So, you know for a fact the police are coming to the forum. Imagine that!!! "HelpNeeded&Badly." I have been telling readers that the police monitor these forums years before you ever showed up. Read the posts. Oh! But for a second there, I forgot you deliberately keep yourself ignorant by refusing to do just that, unless certain gossiping "buzz words" jump out at you. As you display an apparent reading and comprehension deficit disorder let me as clearly as possible explain the significance of your observation of the occurrence with the O.P.P officer Saturday 1 December 2007, as you explained the obvious “they did what they were sopose ( sic) to do to defuse the problem.” Now of course there was no legal problem to defuse; at least from me. There was, however, the tantrum that this big brute claming to be the owner of the property was throwing before the officer arrived, and some threats about using baseball bats on this protesting senior. So, this incident only bolsters what I have maintained all along; that not ALL police are "mindless thugs", unfortunately just far too many of them. On Saturday, I got one of the reasonable ones that wasn’t out to try to push me into traffic, notwithstanding I had no witnesses in my camp. He did his job and seemed interested in what I had to say, particularly since I can now back it up with lawyers and other professionals quoted in the meticulous and well researched article by Better Farming: my assertions, now even backed up, by a lawyer who in fact was employed by the Ontario Securities Commission who I never heard of, but who agrees with my original stated position at the time I started this Crime Fighting, 12 February; 2003 nearly five years ago. He agrees with my simple common sense observations on the law against the position taken by police. In simple comprehendible terms even you, "HelpNeededBadly" should be able to understand…… In his opinion, when it comes to enforcing the laws of fraud….. I am right and the cops are wrong!!! Is that simple enough for you? The long and short is .... If the police do their sworn duty and "uphold the law" and "protect citizens against crime" you will very soon be out of the $500/pr. “Magical Mongrel Bridge Pigeon” Ponzi “Business.” cont.... | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2162 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
Now as far your perception that "no one is reading or caring about what I say; should that indeed be true, it's all here nonetheless, as a record; a journal, as I have pointed out previously: a journal to be referenced when this PKI fraud collapses as 100% of Ponzi schemes do!!! …… Only this time it's not 2-3-5 or even 60 or 70 thousand like WEW, TTI, BIM, CDT, FFI, etc. This time, It’s 50-60-100-200-500-thousand even a million or more, with many losing farms and/or in serious debt, and why???..... Because of a simple "text-book" example of the near 100 year old Ponzi scheme that authorities refused to do anything about!!! It's doubtful "HelpNeeded&Badly” that you will ever see a dime for your first shipment of “Magical Mongrel Bridge Pigeons" due to be picked up end of January 2008. Take it from some one who knows and understands Ponzi schemes, particularly one as obvious and simple to identify as this. It's as easy as identifying wild mustard in a field of immature wheat. David J. Thornton President CrimeBustersNow World-Wide Fraud Investigations Consultants in International Money Laundering Fraud Telemarketing Scams Counterfeit Goods Pyramid & Ponzi Schemes Oakville, Ontario www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 calls returned toll free in North America and countries world-wide BTW “HelpNeeded&Badly" it was you who offered to meet me for coffee “in my office” at Tim Horton’s in Burlington. I could be wrong, but, I think you even offered to pay. Are you a coward? All talk and no show???!!! | ||
| help_wanted New member Username: help_wanted Post Number: 19 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 208.114.145.62 |
lmao your funny Dave ..Truly funny ..Your my entertainment each night >>lol thanks | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2164 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
That didn't answer any questions!!! dave The pyramid/Ponzi fraud fighter | ||
| help_wanted New member Username: help_wanted Post Number: 20 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 208.114.145.62 |
crap man with all that dribble I missd the question what was it again ??? http://discovervancouver.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=222223&st=30 http://discovervancouver.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=202453&st=1350&gopid=2652671&#entry2652671 | ||
| retired_banker New member Username: retired_banker Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 69.27.192.129 |
If the only market for $50 squabs is to the guy that's selling you $500 breeding pairs of pigeons then you can assume it's a very risky business. Substitute any other commodity for "pigeons" and you can more clearly see the problem. | ||
| retired_banker New member Username: retired_banker Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 69.27.192.129 |
Cults, Snake Oil Salesmen, Ponzi Schemes, Pyramids, Multi Level Marketing, and other harmful scams flourish mainly because of the failure of educated, experienced people to speak up in time. It is sad that so many hard working folks will lose tens of thousands of dollars to the fraudsters. If the death penalty is appropriate for killers it should also be used to punish fraudsters. A murderer takes the life of one or a few people while the fraud takes the lives of hundreds. (Message edited by Retired Banker on December 12, 2007) | ||
| help_wanted New member Username: help_wanted Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 208.114.145.62 |
Now You tell me how somebody can make it into the squab business without the stock to produce the squab for sale ???were did the beef come from were did the chicken come from or any other meat that may be out there >>from the stock that was built up to produce it >>you know were you can buy hundred of thousand pigeons to start a squab market ??????NO NO NO >>>>It has to be built up and what better way then for farmers to do >>Just like all the other stuff farmers produce ..tipical pen pusher coment so what freind are you of Dave`s lol do I get any bets ..welcome to the forums and how is the weather in Missouri (Message edited by help_wanted on December 12, 2007) | ||
| help_wanted New member Username: help_wanted Post Number: 22 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 208.114.145.62 |
--------------------------------------------------QUOTE------------------------------ If the only market for $50 squabs is to the guy that's selling you $500 breeding pairs of pigeons then you can assume it's a very risky business. Substitute any other commodity for "pigeons" and you can more clearly see the problem ______________________________________________-- there we go again missleading people remeber that 50 dollar bird he buys back is not being sold for squab its being held to be mated with another 50 dollar bird to produce the squab that he will sell Remeber people please do look into before buying into this >>dont let missguiding people stear you away before you really look at the hole picture >>dave and his few freinds will tell you what they want you to believe >>Im saying look for yourself before fully believing what they say >>It seems they have a good way to twist the storry around and this is one of them Posting were is the market for a 50 dollar squab >>its the babys from these that will be sold for squab meat | ||
| retired_banker New member Username: retired_banker Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 69.27.192.129 |
The weather in MO is dreadful with the ice thick on the trees and on the lightly traveled roads..... nice and cozy in the house though. Thanks for asking. I've got a notion that "help wanted" is one of the PKI insiders.... An intelligent person that is using misspelled words, bad grammar, personal jabs, and illogical theory to hide the fact that he benefits monetarily from this questionable pigeon raising business. I welcome comments and/or questions from those not directly benefitting from being an insider of this "business opportunity". You know, someone that wants to honestly discuss the Pigeon King's business plan, its sustainability, legality, risks, etc. | ||
| bruce_audley Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 317 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 75.152.239.233 |
"retired_banker" Some years back, a good friend of mine invested in the newest. hottest guaranteed way to make bushels of money. He purchased a breeding pair of ostriches for $85,000.00. His insurance cost him an additional $15,000.00 however; each and every little baby bird was worth $1,200.00 and these things apparently bred like wildfire. Well, it seems funny now because others had recognized the value years before and he was already well behind the mark. Couple that with the fact that ostrich meat never really made it into commercial production. The result you wonder? One of his ostriches died, triggering the insurance pay-out and subsequent cancellation of any further coverage. It turns out that ostriches mate for life and the female will occasionally kill the new potential suitor should she not care for the advances. In the end, both died and he spent a further two thousand dollars turning the remains into custom made boots (and I might add here that for $102,000.00 they are a darn fine pair of boots!). The point is merely his admission that he never accurately researched the market regarding consumption. As well, he failed to talk to some already in the market because to be honest, he did not want to tip anyone else off to the "treasure chest of gold" that he had discovered. Now I don't know about other parts of the world but here in Western Canada, the way to build a market for squab is with consumption, not breeding. Okay, bring two thousand squab to the marketplace if you want but seriously, who in the world is going to consume them? I hope they keep well in a freezer because they along with the hundreds of others that are set to join them each month, are going to be there for a long while. This so called business opportunity screams "run like hell" to some that have seen it and when I ran it past my ostrich buddy, he couldn't stop laughing. With tears running down his cheeks, he asked how many squab it would take to make a half pair of boots. My only question, "What foot size is the half pair"? Bruce | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2167 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
Welcome Bruce! Some of the skills and words I learned from you and the $100 you donated to our organization have served us well. It's helped me to now take on what appears to be the largest Ponzi/pyramid scheme in North America; certainly in the agricultural community. I still maintain a lot, and perhaps most of my abrasive nature, But when I talk to these farmers with 6-8-10-12 children who know nothing of Charles Ponzi and his nearly 100 year old scheme, and who will lose their farms or be hopelessly in debt and I see a man and his close followers who know exactly what they are doing saying "trust me" "my business is built on everlasting trust" I hurt, and that hurt turns to anger. From the figures supplied by the company itself, it is clear that without further recruiting the number of 10 year signed contracts total about a 40 billion dollar by-back commitment: this is greater, I am told, than the entire agricultural endeavours in Canada. Arlan Galbraith has taken the Hutterite community near Winnipeg for $1,000,000 and as the “songbirds” they spread it out from there. He moved into Saskatchewan, recently into Alberta and now I believe into B.C. He is in at least 13 States in the U.S. It's abouut 5-10 million a week! A Bellville Ontario farmer just looking for the truth, and angry at me wrote… “I did everything you told me to do; I went to my lawyer, and two others; that cost me money; an accountant, my bank manager, I contacted the RCMP, OPP and even the Waterloo Regional Fraud Squad and the BBB; everyone you told me, and they could see nothing wrong. Who should I believe you or them?” And with my perceived credibility on the Internet what could I tell him? He said …. "Tomorrow I am taking a loan and going into pigeons”...... $750,000 worth it turned out. I felt really, really concerned for him and his family. With what was already on the internet I could not believe no one in that bunch set him straight. The only consolation I have is that when the scheme collapses, and like all Ponzi schemes it must, he will have at least many to come back on, instead of being told on Monday morning "after the game is over"..... why were you so stupid to get involved." Now the bankers who have called from all over North America understood after a brief explanation. Some called confirming what they had figured out. Some had already made a few hefty loans before they became suspicious when almost entire families wanted in for 200 & 300K a pop. ......cont | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2168 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
Insurance companies called as you mentioned with the ostriches. They were concerned as well when they found my email to Galbraith on the net exposing him. As well they were concerned realized they were insuring a barn there was little use for before, now with 800 pr. of pigeons @ an “insured value” of $400,000 + barn. There concern??? When the scheme collapses and the farmer looking forward to and believing he would have 100% return each year on his combined investment and work, providing he raised health birds then finds out he is a victim of a fraud and with the dream of earning $400,000 a year turned into a nightmare of half a million dollars or more debt, and finding out, what we know, that government officials knew and the Waterloo Region Police suspected a fraud but refused to do anything about that there could be a rash of unexplained fires. These frauds truly are serious particularly when they reach these massive amounts of capital. The Attorney General of Iowa had Galbraith shut down there by agreement pending completion of an investigation. We hope this will be the first domino. Our material is being carried all over North America now, and the biggest and most comprehensive story Better Farming has ever done is now in demand all over North America. Galbraith has acknowledge that CrimeBustersNow is costing him $1,000,000 per wk. which is pretty well confirmed by the calls were are getting, but he refuses to sue for an injunction to close us down. That, I maintain, says it all! The money he is “losing,” it must be noted; is equal only to the $1,000,000 per week that would have been lost from “the victims of white-collar crime.” - CBN And between a young, just graduated female paralegal the Sum-It Club tried to scam in their “business opportunity,” and myself we closed them down about two months ago and last month the Sum-It Club filed for bankruptcy and we are now trying to get the personal assets seized to repay victims. With help we are making a difference! dave | ||
| bruce_audley Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 318 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 75.152.239.233 |
Yes, but then sometimes things never change. Again I must point out that the success you elude to was provided by a U.S. agency. This apparent pyramid issue is no different then others that have relieved tens of thousands of their life savings here in Canada and still, it appears to have little or NO concern to authorities. We are back to where we were with "Treasure Traders International Co.", aren't we? We are using this forum to try and warn people not to waste their hard earned money on another flawed "get rich quick scheme" but, why is it up to this forum to provide that service? The authorities never did step up to the plate with "T.T.I.Co." and I doubt they are going to show here either. I must admit I know very little about farming and animal husbandry so perhaps there is an argricultural loop-hole out there somewhere that will allow the government to act. I ain't holding my breath though so the next best thing seems to again be this forum and post, post, POST! Bruce | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2171 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
But Bruce we are back to the same old argument and misconceptions and this doesn't hold water...you write "so perhaps there is an agricultural loop-hole out there somewhere that will allow the government to act." The government doesn’t need any kind of a "loop-hole" to "allow it to act." TTI, CDT, FFI, WEW the Pigeon King and all the rest of these pyramid/ponzi frauds are illegal. They violate the Federal Competition Act, Section 206 (1)(e) of the Criminal Code of Canada and Section 380 of the Criminal Code under simple fraud. Fraud: "Acting on lies or misrepresentation to the detriment of the victim. Simple. And it is the law!" And I can tell you, I have been doing much more than posting on this forum to get The Sum-It-Club shut down and investigated by the Competition Bureau who are now moving but damn slow! And the rest we are actively working on. Posting here will save a few, but what we have done, and according his own figures and the phone calls we receive from farmers all over North America, Galbraith is losing a million a week. After I sent Galbraith a strong email and his bank as well on Aug 20 07, and receiving no co-operation I posted them to the Vancouver Forum Sept 5 07, and things took off all over North America. Just hours ago it "hit the Associated Press" This thing should be "shot down" soon, like those other viruses on science fiction movies, before it becomes the "full fledged" world monster it's creator intended it to be. But, the Canadian authorities can act under current law. They won’t. That’s the only problem!!! dave p.s. You also wrote.... "The authorities never did step up to the plate with "T.T.I.Co." and I doubt they are going to show here either." Well.... "I'm going to do my best to make em'" | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2173 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
Posted by a concerned citizen on the Vancouver Forum Please let the attorney general in your state and province know what is going on in Iowa. Email them a copy of the Iowa press releases and sent them a copy of "Better Farming" magazine (December 2007 issue) http://www.betterfarming.com/2007/december/btl.html http://www.betterfarming.com/index.htm Arlan's criminal ponzi scheme must be stopped everywhere, before anymore families will be financially devastated. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2176 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
Also posted by concerned citizens on Vancouver Forum. http://www.whbf.com/Global/story.asp?S=7497356&nav=0zGo Illinois TV station website. http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=7496969&nav=menu550_2 Nebraska TV station website. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2177 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
Worth repeating... Vancouver Forum roy iowa Today, 06:43 AM Post #1664 Feel kinda proud to be an Iowan today. Would like to take credit but the Attorney General was already on the case like white on rice when I called about three weeks ago. Kinda does make you wonder where the heck the Canadian officials have been on this one, maybe Dave is not nuts, maybe he was right about them all along. Will be interesting to see if and how quickly other states follow suit. Yup feel good about my sign in name today. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2178 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
And this artical with added comment brought to the forum by Roy in Iowa. http://www.esthervilledailynews.com/news/articles.asp?articleID=6799 | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2179 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
From Vancouver Forum QUOTE ( roy iowa @ Dec 15 2007, 06:43 AM) Feel kinda proud to be an Iowan today. Would like to take credit but the Attorney General was already on the case like white on rice when I called about three weeks ago. Kinda does make you wonder where the heck the Canadian officials have been on this one, maybe Dave is not nuts, maybe he was right about them all along. Will be interesting to see if and how quickly other states follow suit. Yup feel good about my sign in name today. Hi Roy These fantastic stories I tell about pyramid fraud and the conspiracies behind them are true. Anyone can now witness it here on the forum. For example… what do you think this “INFO” character, Jay Waterman from CDT and others like them would do if police asked them to make up a story of being assaulted or whatever and promised them they would never be charged for perjury. Already they have me raping and beating my wife and extortion. Do you think if police asked him to make a statement that I told him I would assault or rape my wife or anything else that they would do it? You see that adage … “truth is stranger than fiction” really is true. I’ve mentioned this “whistle blowing” Toronto police officer Jim Cassells before. Well he’s in the news again….Toronto Star Saturday 15 December…… Police officer’s hearing won’t get new judge The lawyer for outspoken Toronto Police Sgt. Jim Cassells says he’s disappointed his client’s disciplinary matter will be heard by a York Regional police superintendent rather than someone who is “independent” and doesn’t represent management. Yesterday, York Regional police Superintendent Gord Smyth dismissed an application brought forward by Cassells’ lawyer, Leo Kinahan, asking that Smyth rescue himself because he was appointed by Chief Bill Blair, who has “publicly indicated he just did not believe assertions being put forward by Cassells,” Kinanhan said. Cassells faces internal disciplinary action for allegedly speaking to reporters without authorization to do so. In a sworn affidavit, Cassells has said the force ignored and covered up illegal acts uncovered during an RCMP-led probe into alleged corruption on the force. The matter was put over until March 18. Now this is the same jurisdiction where the police are currently ignoring the international money-laundering racketeering of Jay Waterman who is operating the Canadian Diamond Traders obvious pyramid fraud that, like PKI is causing complaints internationally. With all this on the internet and the Australian Scam-Site, neither police nor the mayor of Toronto will comment on it. And the media will not take them to task over it. It’s like it all doesn’t exist. Unbelievable!!! (But true). http://www.docep.wa.gov.au/consumerprotection/ScamNet/Scams/Canadian_Diamond_Tra.html And the again the U.S. http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2006/11/13/daily8.html?jst=b_ln_hl http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=diamond+traders+pyramid+maryland+&btnG=Google+Search&meta= (Message edited by gatordave on December 16, 2007) | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2180 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
Police officer’s in that same jurisdiction are actually in this CDT fraud. Wives of the York Regional Police were involved in the WEW pyramid (fraud of the decade). The police in the fraud squad, condoned by the Chief, protected Legal Weasel Tony Gagliese and his sister, (with family ties to MP Joe Volpe) while they operated the Sum-It Club pyramid scam defrauding students immigrants etc, as far back as the old days of the Alpha club: that is, until a 20 year-old young woman paralegal decided she wasn’t going to be defrauded and threatened, not without a fight, that is and would help other victims. So, she and the senior writing this closed them down and forced them into bankruptcy a few weeks ago. The fraud squad received numerous complaints from students and immigrants and did nothing to close them down. Even decent cops on the force told victims it was a pyramid fraud, but like Jim Cassells these officers were “muzzled.” The corrupt cops did however, on the behest of this Legal Weasel and his sister, arrest a mother simply because she called and ask for her 18 year-old daughter and her daughter’s friend’s money be returned. Read the desperate posting. It’s also on my website. Simply hit end and go up to the last posting. It took me months to find her. Unfortunately no last name! But I found her and she’s real. http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Delivered/pyramids.htm This is the jurisdiction where these stories originate. In Mafia infested and organized crime influenced York Region. Ask yourself a simple logical question. Is a 29 year veteran of the force, near retirement going to make up some ridiculous story that cops are involved with organized crime and taking bribes and extorting money from club owners for the criminals. What possible motive could he have, especially when like Randy Rankin up in “INFO’s” territory, he could “get dead.” Just what’s has he got to gain. On the other hand, like Pigeon King International and the rest of these crooks what has the chief got to lose if a cover-up does exist? Six officers have already been arrested, all Cassells is saying is that there are more and they are being protected in a big white-wash and cover-up. But then this is Canada where unlike the U.S., few citizens take notice. http://www.gatoraid.ca/scott.html (Message edited by gatordave on December 16, 2007) | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2181 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
So, here was the Sum-It Club, a multi-million dollar obvious fraud under attack and police arrest a complainant, the kid’s mother, because the crooks said they were on a speaker phone and she threatened to kill them. That’s all it took!!! And just before Sum-It club filed for bankruptcy they had an immigrant arrested. Now they are laundering their stolen money in real estate etc: All the proceeds of crime!!! In my case police actually solicited a false statement from a man displaying the same characteristics as “INFO” that they new from police files, and eye witnesses, that were themselves police officers, that this “informant” was a lair and a hustler and the very statement they asked him to provide, the investigating officer and others knew was a lie. And notice the attacks on the PKI forum from the Sum-It Club, CDT, TTI & BIM. Now, the York Regional Police Detachment is where I sat with the chief months ago with two recording secretaries and 20 immigrants; all the room would hold, ripped off for millions by the crook promoting a pizza franchise “business opportunity.” Fraud!!! Women crying, having had relatives sell property and all manner of possessions to take advantage of this opportunity. They came to Canada believing it was a land of business opportunity never suspecting the level of condoned corruption in this country and the opportunity to be defrauded, as one sobbing woman put it. They have had their life savings stolen from them while authorities watched and did nothing but allow the racketeering crook to pay $500,000 out of his millions of fraud in exchange for dropping multiple criminal fraud charges. There wasn’t even a break in his criminal activity. The police will not even adequately warn potential victims of this fraudster. It is pathetic. This man is also now in the U.S. and his phoney pizza franchises up from 100 – $150,000 to 5-$600,000. And Dave Stewart, the father of RCMP officer Harold Stewart is also now in the U.S. defrauding Americans, having made millions, with RCMP officers and other police officers in his pyramid fraud, ripping off students etc. The police and government know full well what he’s doing. Hell the sheriff in two separate raids at two separate locations seized their files April 21 2006. All kept out of the local news media: The Mississauga News! The files are prima facia proof they are operating a fraud: And they are still operating it!!! And still defrauding students with promises of 16,000/mth and time share villas in exchange for an investment, or multiple investments of $3000. Yes, someone should be enquiring….. Where are the Canadian authorities!!! You see Pigeon King International is not an anomaly: it is corrupt business as usual in Canada. Hell Conrad Black would still be up here playing golf and “hobnobbing” with the “big shots,” politicians and of course the Canadian media if “American Justice” hadn’t “nailed him!” Can anyone else, on the facts we now know, offer any another viable explanation of how the 5-10 million a week PKI fraud could possible operate for 6 years, advertising in newspapers, on radio, talk shows etc, without Canadian authorities, the BBB, Phone Busters, Crime Stoppers, a politician or especially the Alternative Farming branch of the Agricultural Department of the government being aware of it. In fact that branch of the government is intimately aware of it. dave Can’t sleep in Oakville! | ||
| retired_banker New member Username: retired_banker Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 69.27.192.242 |
Getting back to PKI for a moment... Let's look at the PKI explanation that they are just building up a larger breeding base in order to have enough product to sell. That is exactly the opposite of traditional agricultural economic methods. Typically we need to have a market for the product and then endeavor to gear up to provide the product. Using their method of production first, we have to assume that a huge market will blossom for the product, squab. As pointed out elsewhere, we know that the demand for squab is already being supplied. For example, have you read any articles about the scarcity of squab, or unmet demand? No. So, anyone with the ability to think logically, will not choose to jump into such a huge capital outlay as is required by this business opportunity. It would be much safer to use that same capital investment to buy stocks or mutual funds. For those people that are not able to think logically, you have only one decision to make. Will I put my family into danger of financial ruin based upon the hope of a demand explosion for squab? | ||
| bruce_audley Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 319 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 75.152.239.233 |
But that remains part of the rub, so to speak. Folks WILL invest in something illogical if it is packaged in pretty enough gift wrap. The best we can hope for here is to lay out the facts and hope that people will find their way here and take the time for sober second thought. Waiting for the authorities to do their job, is going to be one very lonley wait indeed! Bruce | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2182 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
The best we can hope for is to enforce the laws that were written to deal with pyramid/Ponzi fraud. We are, after all, supposed to be a country of laws: When we lose that, we head down the road to tyranny. For years I was criticised for criticising the RCMP and attempting to expose the corruption therein. For months now, since the Commissioner resigned, those accusations and many far worse have come to light. It's in the news almost daily. Saturday Star. "Dramatic restructuring of RCMP urged in report." These problems exist and to pretend they don't, or minimize them or accept them as "nothing is perfect" is not good enough. And why would anyone, as you suggest Bruce, wait for authorities to do their job. You get together and make them! And don't say you can't. Ask "how can we make them???" With that attitude you begin thinking, and through creative thought you come up with myriad ideas. Like what can we do about this PKI fraud? Already because of just two poignant emails sent to the head fraudster and his bank, then posted on the Internet they shocked the North American farm community and they were distibuted all over North America in less than three week resulting in calls to CrimeBustersNow from Winnipeg to Ottawa, New York State to Oaklahoma City OK and Mexico City Mo. resulting in an extremely in-depth 19 page investigative report published by Better Farming Ottawa; because of that report and a few phone calls U.S. A.G.'s began investigating causing it to be picked up in the U.S. and less than 10 weeks it's spread world wide by A.P. resulting in millions per week in fraud stopped right now, representing approximately 20 farm families/wk. not losing from 50,000 to 300,000 and more and/or the farm. You are so negative Bruce. When something truly is accomplished, to you it no big deal... like "so what" hundreds of farmers and their families saved from fraud so what? A lawyer closed down by a tenacious 20 year-old young woman who endured threats and sleepless nights and gave her all closing this corrupt lawyer down, "so what," no big accomplishment. What a story! And where is our main-line media "Just graduated 20 year-old paralegal takes on experienced but corrupt lawyer. Under threats closes down pyramid fraud operating for 6 years with the participation of police and a provincail prosecutor; her own teacher who involved her in the fraud and a fraud squad, for six years "turning a blind eye." cont.... (Message edited by gatordave on December 17, 2007) | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2183 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
Now she wants to get this corrupt lawyer's licence to practice law lifted because she seems to feel that a corrupt lawyer involved in money-laundering and stealing through fraud, millions from unsophisticated students and others should not have a licence to practice law. Image!!! God, you would think other Canadians would step up to the plate and help! Instead they give no recognition or support. Without her the crook would still be happily ripping off students because I certainly couldn't have done it this quickly, if at all, without her help. And vis versa. And she can do it again, and would like to, but her resources are pretty well drained. She received no financial help. She has, with my help done most of the Competition Bureau's work for them but is paid nothing. Hundreds of hours she has put in because as she said to me Dave this isn't right." She's frustrated knowing could do much more with support and financial backing. What a thing for an idealist paralegal to find out about her world. She was astounded finding out how the police, courts, and politicians really conduct themselves. Every time I see her and she finds out more, sometimes she just calls frustrated.... "Dave I don't believe it guess what happened today???" But she will not willingly accept it. Not yet, and I hope for the sake of the country she never will. This is one candle no should be allowed to snuff out with cynicism! She has now already landed a part time job in a business school teaching a paralegal course to a class of mostly lawyers from other countries that can't qualify here. There she can pass on her morals, her fire, and her ability to fight against, and overcome, seemingly insurmountable odds! My observations. dave | ||
| bruce_audley Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 321 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 75.152.239.233 |
Great half page article on the second page of yesterday's Edmonton Journal (December 18, 2007) regarding this organization. It is interesting to note however that Arlan Galbraith has only been barred from soliciting business in one state, Iowa. As for Canada, he is free to roam with seeming impunity. Because there is no large demand for squab in North America (even Galbraith predicts market penetration in approximately four years for a bird species that multiplies their weight 60 times in 28 days), this may not be so much a case of "buyer beware" as it is "seller beware". After all, if you can't sell them at the exponential rate that they are reproducing, well you know. Bruce | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2184 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
Well the product always serves as the "smoke screen." The judge is interested in the money trail; the product becomes irrelevant. On the CBC a cop from the Region of Waterloo actually, on natioanal television says he can nothing wrong with the business. Must be looking through their rose-coloured pyramid frauds, WEW,TTI& BIM or missed the class on Ponzi schemes dave | ||
| bruce_audley Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 322 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 75.152.239.233 |
Well, the article in the "Edmonton Journal" had no problem calling it a "Ponzi Scheme" in the heading of their piece! Bruce | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2185 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
Yes I noticed that Bruce. Perhaps with enough people asking questions and the cracks showing, it will fall apart sooner than later. If that happenes we will have cut our time from "initial attack" to "sink the bastards" considerably. Today was the last day for Galbraith the Pigeon King to answers to the Iowa Attorney General's request. It should leave questions in the minds of Canadians though as I asked the Waterloo Regonal Police. Did you, as did the Iowa A.G. ask Galbraith if he would close down pending and investigation." No anwer. But I was told police had never approached Galbraith. If they had asked Galbraith, he might have yes. Hell all he could have done is, said no. It was worth asking. It worked for the Iowa A.G. It is pretty obvious since they didn't even ask him, that they don't even have the intention of interfering with his Ponzi scheme and are content to play dumb on national television. So there you go! The cop just goes on national television and says they find nothing wrong. Nothing wrong, with a text book example of fraud 101 Ponzi scheme!!! Unbelievable!!! dave | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2186 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
From Robert FitzPatrick PSA December 17, 2007 Mr. Robert C. Irwin Managing Editor Better Farming Dear Mr. Irwin, I commend and congratulate Better Farming on the excellent journalism and service to your readers provided in your article on the "Pigeon King." I am author of a book about pyramid schemes, serve as expert witness in court cases involving pyramid and ponzi schemes and I helped to found the consumer organization, Pyramid Scheme Alert. Over the last several years, I have also come to know and communicate with Dave Thornton and his courageous work to expose this and other pyramid frauds operating with impunity in Canada and in the USA. He alerted me to PKI. From Mr. Thornton, I learned some details about PKI. My name and organization have been circulated among some who are involved in PKI as investors and I have gotten phone calls from skeptics, critics, and a few believers. Though I know nothing about pigeons, I do know about ponzis. All of them have one distinct trait. There is no market for their commodity (most operate in the disguise of sales businesses or investment plans.). Your article went to the heart of the issue -- where is the market for all these birds? -- and found nothing was there. There is no market, just a money transfer. The transfer is based on the promise of PKI continuing to buy all these offspring pigeons. So far, he has achieved this by rapidly increasing the number of breeders and using their funds to fulfill earlier contracts. Simple math tells us this cannot continue. I offer our organization's support. We would like to reprint the article on our site or at least offer it as a pdf download. We also send a newsletter email to interested consumers, journalists, attorneys and regulators each month. Our December issue will be mailed soon. We would like to highlight your article and direct readers back to our site where the download would be available. Do you have the article in this format and would you agree to this? There is one piece of data that I think ought to be added to your work and you already began the calculation. You determined the estimated projected "value" of the contracts that PKI already has in place, if he were actually to buy back all these pigeons. Can we also determine the projected losses that will occur when it collapses in, for example, a year from now? I find that authorities and other media need a single figure to clarify for them the reality and the extent of the fraud. I have been writing about pyramids and ponzis for 10 years and worked with many journalists. Yours was clearly the best piece, most thorough, most pointed and relevant I have read. You did the work that "news" journalists should have done. Sincerely, -- Robert L. FitzPatrick, Pres. PYRAMID SCHEME ALERT 1800 Camden Rd. Ste. 107 #101 Charlotte, NC 28203 704-334-2047 RFitzPatrick@PyramidSchemeAlert.org http://www.PyramidSchemeAlert.org | ||
| bruce_audley Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 323 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 75.152.239.233 |
There was something else about that article that struck me as the new "Canadian Ponzi Truth". It is well documented that the Canadian authorities are simply NOT prepared to act in the area of pyramid sales organizations until well after the very, very bad people that started them, have profited handsomely from the plundered bank accounts of those that would be incorrect in assuming that the legal authorities have their backs. My own experiences with successful North American businesses are, they all have one overriding passion and that is, TRANSPARENCY! When an organization such as this "Inexpensive Squab for Unimaginable Riches" scheme comes along, they paint any objectors as being, now how does that quote go, "...critics blinded by jealousy and envy over his firm's rise to riches"! If ever there was a cry that could identify a business working in the arena of pyramiding, it has to be that one statement! Good businesses invite public scrutiny and have little or no difficulty answering the tough questions posed by investors. Those that have a need to hide, hunker down and attack their critics as being either misinformed, uneducated to the intricacies of their sophisticated plan or as above, merely jealous of their financial success! As with other pyramid cases in Canada, investors need to know that their first line of defense is their own intelligence. Potential investors must be told that the authorities have no stomach for taking on these companies until long after the damage is done. If these deals look so "hot" that you simply cannot imagine them failing, then it doesn't matter if they are wrapped in emeralds, diamonds or dead birds, take a pass until you have done more research upon more research. Good companies invite this. The dicey ones tell you you are getting in on the ground floor and you really need to sign on the bottom line before bringing in your friends and neighbours to experience the same riches mind you, after you have already received yours for ponying up before them. Bruce | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2187 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
That's a good observation Bruce. A couple of the very good tricks they use to defeat due diligence, which Galbraith uses, is they pay for membership in seemingly reputable organizations. Galbraith advertises he is a member in good standing with the Canadian Federation of Unrepentant Business. This single fact alone was enough to persuade the U.S. victims that called me to get involve. Some will pay for membership in the BBB. The BBB still won't tell Canadians TTI was closed by England’s High Court. Canadian Diamond Traders pyramid scam has paid for membership in the American Chamber of Commerce in Canada AmCham. Couple that with some of the names and positions of the people who get into these frauds and the unsophisticated, and even the sophisticated get taken. Oakville chartered accountant. "I bought these emeralds for $15,000 because they were appraised at $30,000 by Steven Knight who has had a business for years in Hamilton, not some guy on the "net" and appraises gemstones for the RCMP, and a man (Dave Stewart) from Hamilton one of the top people in the corporation is the father of an RCMP officer. With all this credibility and a judge who explains the difference between an illegal pyramid scheme and this "perfectly legal" corporation that only looks alike a pyramid structure, and now a Waterloo Regional Fraud Detective given an opportunity, unopposed on CBC to say he doesn't fine anything wrong with PKI, how do people know when they have done enough due diligence. This is a real problem especially when it told to 18 year old students by people of authority, like the provincial prosecutor teaching at Humber College who gets her 20 her year old student in the Sum-It Club scam??? Unbelievable dave | ||
| retired_banker New member Username: retired_banker Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 69.27.192.11 |
If there are still any potential pigeon farmers watching this blog.... here is an excellent site to study. http://www.mmfhoh.org/ Another point..... Some people assume that an investment opportunity must be legitimate if it widely advertised, such as PKI. Surely the Government would stop any such bogus schemes before any citizens get hurt. Sorry, with free speech issues and the massive volume of criminals it is impossible for the law to protect everyone, every time. So, it is obvious that each person must take full responsibility for checking out proposed business deals closely before investing. Think.... Is it logical to produce millions of units of a product hoping that a market will blossom for it someday? | ||
| bruce_audley Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 324 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 75.152.239.233 |
It is as illogical to believe that business proposal as it is to purchase unsaleable diamonds and/or emeralds claiming to be worth 400% - 500% more than their actual market value. Yet, it happens and people gamble life savings either believing incorrectly that they are on the cutting edge of the business market or, they are going to be protected by a cold Canadian government that will never act until everything is over and the bad guys have pocketed the money and headed for the islands. Realizing that the legal agencies (in Canada that should logically be the Competition Bureau if not the R.C.M.P.) that could use their powers to nail these businesses before anyone gets seriously hurt are not going to act, there is nothing left but "buyer beware". Investors not doing their homework and jumping into any investment without weighing all of the options (both marketability and liquidity) are perhaps getting the fleecing they deserve. Cold yes but, what else is there? I have seen people at forums literally pushing the detractors out of the way as they jam their way to the front of the line to hand over their cash. And a big part of the rush to judgment is predicated on the pyramid mentality that the investor can greatly multiply their profits if they can can pre-sign ahead of their friends, neighbours and loved ones, the very ones that they will soon bring in to the organization as a part of their own down-line. It is amazing to witness and yet, tomorrow's scam is on the drawing boards right now and in lieu of government protection, the victim really only has his common sense. Bruce | ||
| retired_banker New member Username: retired_banker Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 69.27.197.173 |
The following is from the archives. An obvious Ponzi.... Maybe too obvious... so they apparently had to take it off their web site. Arlan Galbraith Financial is a financial arm of PKI, to provide Rural Economic Development Contracts for investors looking for arms length investments giving a high rate of return. Financial Opportunities -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arlan Galbraith PKI and Financial operates on a high level of mutual trust. One year Rural Economic Contracts return the principal investment (minimum $10,000.00) plus 18%. These contracts are unsecured and based on a level of trust proven with hundreds of existing contracts between Arlan Galbraith (PKI) and farmers throughout Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New York, Indiana, Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa and Missouri. These contracts make you 18% without lifting a finger. At the same time, you will be helping Arlan Galbraith assist countless small family farmers throughout North America make an excellent income. You will feel good about that and soon see the value of mutual trust and helping others prosper, while you prosper. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2188 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
It was the 18% that made the first farmer I interviewed suspicious. He had a small number of birds for three years and like all the other farmers his pickups and payments were on time. Then he got that letter offering 18% and began wondering, "If it was true what Arlan Galbraith was telling everyone; that he had a debt free business and millions of dollars, why was he offering 18% interest to me when he could get it rom the bank for couple points over prime." Then he said... "I began to wonder how this business is operating: I'm thinking, I believe he just takes my birds and sells them to the next farmer for $500/pr." So, I took his material, called Galbraith and verified the facts then I e-mailed him and his bank, when I received no cooperation I posted it to the internet; and the rest as they say... "is history." dave Now, this Amish farmer figured it out just like that and the Keystone Fraud Cop in the link in the next post claims he can't figure it out. if you buy that you'll buy the Emperor's Clothes. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2191 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
It is interesting that when anyone attempts to uncover these frauds they end up in jail or charged with a criminal offence. The Sum-It Club now closed down by a young female paralegal with the assistance of CrimeBustersNow or vice versa has recorded at least two such incidents. In 2002 a mother was arrested and charged because she phoned wanting her daughter's and her daughter's friend's money back. The reprehensible "legal weasel" Tony Galiese and his at least equally reprehensible sister simply told police they had been threatened to be killed by this mother. This mother sure didn't consciously realize she was challenging a multimillion dollar fraud. She was arrested without question. Now, protecting your multi-million dollar illegal fraud????? I suppose there's no apparent motive for lying about that complainant. She wanted to fight it but took their monetary losses plus about $2000 in leagal fees and quietly signed a "peace bond" not to further contact the Sum-It Club or "badmouth" them. She signed it on the advice of her lawyer who told her of his belief these people were connected to organize crime. Her complaints to the Federal Competition Bureau went no where as bureaucrats adhered to their perverse policy of leading the complainants "down the garden path" for years promising to investigate and then abandoning the complaint. This is the power given to the criminal element in this country. The Federal Competition Bureau knew these two fraud artists were involved in the infamous international Alfa-Club. They simply registered their own company as the Sum-It Club and continued essentially the same scam using exactly the same illegal 2up Aussie system. A simple "look see" into this "new named" company would have revealed the same scam with a different name. The Competition Bureau simply sat back doing nothing, as is their illegal policy, allowing this mother to be harassed into silence. That's our government. And that's the power white-collar money-laundering racketeering crooks have been handed "pro bono" in this country. Now, Just shortly after we closed the Sum-It Club they were successful in having an East Indian cab driver who speaks little English also charged with threatening. The police listened to these rich fraud artists, but will do nothing when the fraud artists threaten, harass and assault victims. CrimeBustersNow, in August 2007 exposed publicly probably the biggest fraud in North America; certainly in the agriculture sector. We gave our findings to Better Farming monthly magazine, the only media willing to do an in depth expose; The mainline media rejected it. This multimillion dollar pyramid/Ponzi fraud, halted by the Iowa Attorney General until further notice, still operates from Waterloo Ontario. They conducted an intense sales drive to the end of December, bolstered, believe it or not, by the Waterloo Regional fraud cops claiming they can find "nothing illegal" in this "text book" Ponzi scheme. In the meantime the managing editor of Better Farming has been charged with assault? I was arrested and jailed on a vague charge of "criminal harassment." The alleged, violated court order, a year later was proven nonexisant. Locks alleged damaged and destroyed were not damaged or destroyed at all. I had a legal right to be where I was, unless of course a court order prevented it. There was no such order. The motive; an unknown fraud I was attempting to investigate turned out to be "dubbed" the "fraud of the decade." It expanded worldwide promoted by RCMP, government officials, even employed by the Federal Tax department, corrupt lawyers, politicians, school board officials, accountants, real estate brokers and agents, insurance agents, business owners etc. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2192 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
Anyone detect a pattern of selective prosecution, harassment, and retaliation against "whistleblowers" in this province? Those out there who have also been targeted need to contact us. We have several reports from Hamilton Ontario of victims taken for 10's of thousands of dollars by the family of RCMP officer Harold Stewart's father Dave Stewart. These victims are afraid to speak out, i.e. a young couple with a baby on the way taken for $10,500. They signed up in this business opportunity because there were RCMP, lawyers and others of perceived impeccable credibility in it. Now, for the same reason, victim are afraid to speak out. This suits the interests of the Federal Competition Bureau which is not interested in closing down pyramid and Ponzi schemes. They don't even want to hear about them. Agents ignore complaints, harass and intimidate the persistent complainants until they give up or these white collar money-laundering racketeers take care of them in their own criminal way. Policies like these obviously come from "higher up." David J. Thornton President CrimeBustersNow World-Wide Fraud Investigations Consultants in International Money Laundering Fraud Telemarketing Scams Counterfeit Goods Pyramid & Ponzi Schemes Oakville, Ontario www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 calls returned toll free in North America and countries world-wide | ||
| retired_banker New member Username: retired_banker Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 69.27.197.173 |
Law enforcement cannot protect you from this type of crime, as is true about most crimes. The police always show up AFTER the damage is done. This really can't be done any other way since it would be impossible to predict where, when, or why a crime is to take place. That's the FACT. So... Each person needs to make up their own mind about potential investments. Read Wikipedia or Google the term "Ponzi". Remember, just because the early investors are being paid is NOT a sign of success. Ponzi schemes rely on the early investors to spread the good word; to induce more investors. They're called "song birds". That is typical of all Ponzi schemes. So, do your homework before investing in pigeons, emus, alpacas, or earthworms. If you feel that you must invest your money in something.... try the stock market. At least it has a proven history and your neighbors won't have reason to make fun of your squab ranch. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2195 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.182.45 |
The world bank in 1998 after pyramids schemes devastated Albania told the countries of the world. You must quickly identify pyramid schemes and shut them down before they devastate your country. If you lack the expertise there are nonprofit organizations that can help. Laws are clear on pyramid and Ponzi schemes. It does not take long for one to be known. If a pyramid scheme can be shut down and people charged at the end of it, certainly it should be easier to do it at beginning. Case in point: The Women in Powering Women pyramid scheme was finally broken up in this country when it went to the States just like Pigeon King International and it blew up there. Police then moved in and selectively prosecuted a few people in Canada. Problem was RCMP, and police down to small town cops were in it, people in the income tax department, it went through the Ontario Legislature like a wildfire. It is against the law; same as robbing a bank; it's an indictable offense. When anyone can go into a hotel meeting and see them conducting a pyramid scheme you arrest them simple. What's the problem. Imagine if the Mafia were in a hotel room with marked cards, loaded dice, and "fixed" roulette wheels with kids as young as sixteen with notes from their parents saying it's alright to play, would we not expect the police to immediately shut it down. Forgive my naiveté but's what's the difference? A pyramid/Ponzi scheme is simple to spot and figure out. In the UK they shut down Treasure Traders International within five months. probably about three depending how long it took them to find out. I'm willing to bet that it whould be lot different if a chief of police's wife, and MPP, school board politician, an income tax official, and mayor's wife etc, would have been heavily fined and put in jail in this country even for two years, and lots of publicity that this country was not going to tolerate pyramid Ponzi schemes we would ot have the problem. Certainly not to the extent the Ponzi scheme can operate for 6 years taking people for hundreds of millions of dollars and all covered up. But that's Canada. Authorities sellout even our kids in high school to organized crime! Just my thoughts with the evidence I've collected over four years. dave |
