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     gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2023 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.39.120.51 |
http://www.corp.ca.gov/pressrel/06/corp/nr0612.pdf http://www.fraudaid.com/Articles/work_at_home_scams/wao12-13-6-2.htm -----Original Message----- From: Robert FitzPatrick of Pyramid Scheme Alert [mailto:rfitzpatrick@pyramidschemealert.org] Sent: February 9, 2007 9:28 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [Bulk] Pyramid Scheme Alert UPDATE.0207 - 5 PYRAMID SCHEME ALERT UPDATE -- Feb. 9, 2007 1. AMWAY/QUIXTAR SUED AS PYRAMID SCHEME. In a crucial development that could rock the entire multi-level marketing business, a class action lawsuit was filed in January against Quixtar (Amway) charging that the company is running an illegal pyramid scheme. (Filed in US District Court in the Northern District of California on January 10, 2007, case number 3:07-cv-00201-EMC.) The charges against Amway/Quixtar go to the very heart of the company's business practices and most other multi-level marketing (MLM) schemes' -that there is no retail "direct selling" opportunity, only an endless chain recruitment program. The suit also attacks Quixtar's infamous "tools" business as a second pyramid scheme perpetrated on new recruits. The "tools" scheme was exposed in a 2004 special report on NBC Dateline. The suit names the kingpin operation of Bill Britt as a pyramid scheme. NBC Dateline revealed that many of the kingpins make most of their money from the "tools" scheme, not from Amway/Quixtar sales as they claim. The charges are brought by one of America's most prestigious law firms, Boies, Schiller and Flexner. David Boies represented Vice-President Al Gore in front of the US Supreme Court in the world famous case, Gore vs. Bush that contested the vote counting in Florida after the 2000 election. The other firm partnering with Boies, Schiller & Flexner in the suit is Gary, Williams, Parenti, Finney, Lewis, McManus, Watson, & Sperando, P.L.. in Stuart, Florida. This firm has a powerful track record of successful class action suits against large companies. For more information and to read the text of this lawsuit see http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/news/AmwaySuedasPyramidScheme.html Pyramid Scheme Alert has previously and repeatedly asked the FTC to reopen the case that it previously brought against Amway in which the FTC had charged that Amway operated a pyramid scheme. See http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/action/FTCCommissLtr.html | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2025 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.39.120.51 |
An Administrative Law Judge in 1979 ruled that Amway could continue to operate in the US, based on Amway's claims that its business was primarily based on retail sales (sales by Amway sales people (IBOs) to actual end-user customers). Amway claimed that the business was not based on each salesperson making money off the investments of other salespersons in an endless chain. For background on how Amway got to be legal and whether today it is in compliance with the terms of legality, the booklet "The Case for Reopening the Amway Pyramid Scheme Case" by Robert FitzPatrick is available at http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/resources/case.html# After the NBC Dateline story appeared, Pyramid Scheme Alert asked the North Carolina Attorney General to investigate the NC-based Bill Britt organization. See http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/action/bww.html 2. PYRAMID SCHEME ALERT TO DEBATE THE DIRECT SELLING ASSOCIATION ABPOUT "MLM PYRAMID SCHEMES" ON PUBLIC RADIO, MONDAY, FEB. 12. Pyramid Scheme Alert president Robert L. FitzPatrick has been invited back on the popular radio show, "Charlotte Talks with Mike Collins" on public radio WFAE (90.7FM) in Charlotte, NC. The Washington DC-based association of MLM Companies, called the Direct Selling Association (DSA), asked for time to rebut the analysis that was presented on the Dec. 4 show by Robert FitzPatrick. The February show will air live Feb. 12 at 9 a.m. (eastern time zone), and then replayed at 9 p.m. the same date. The show can be heard online at these times at http://www.wfae.org/wfae/nav1024.cfm?cat=18&subcat=92. For 60 days after that date, the show will also be available in the archives at http://www.wfae.org/wfae/nav1024.cfm?cat=18&subcat=93. Scroll down to Feb. 12 and click on "listen". The key question that the February show will address is whether many MLM operate as endless chain recruitment scams. 3. FEW PEOPLE LOSE MONEY IN MLM, ACCORDING TO MLM INDUSTRY, OR IF THEY DO, THEY DON'T MIND IT. The Direct Selling Association (DSA), the official voice of the MLM industry and many individual MLM companies, gave their versions of reality to the Federal Trade Commission recently. They wrote to object to FTC proposed rules that would require MLMs to provide more information about loss rates, failures and business costs when they solicit consumers to join MLM schemes. See http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/businessopprule/522418-12055.htm} | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2026 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.39.120.51 |
The Attorney General claimed that the defendants' "downline marketing scheme" constituted a "product-based pyramid scheme. "However, the Texas anti-pyramid law was written by the multi-level marketing industry and is cited in the Direct Selling Association as the standard for DSA member "ethics." The hallmark of the law is that it specifically does not require retail selling. Texas is, in fact, becoming a nexus and haven for MLM schemes due to its MLM-friendly statute. The court settlement dodged the basic question of why BioPerformance would be considered a pyramid scheme, based on lack of retail sales, when many other Texas-based MLM schemes operate similarly and are not prosecuted. The future of the MLM BioPerformance is uncertain. In a January press release, the company stated: "We are extremely pleased to be putting behind us the action by the State of Texas. We also are very pleased with the test results obtained so far. Distributors may expect to resume marketing the product soon. In its agreement with the State of Texas, BioPerformance specifically denied any wrong-doing." 5. AMWAY FAILS TO MUZZLE WHISTLE BLOWER. A Pennsylvania, court has denied Quixtar (Amway) its claim that former Amway Emerald distributor and whistle-blower, Eric Scheibeler, must submit to Quixtar's infamous "binding arbitration" process. Scheibeler has written a widely read book, merchants of Deception that details deception in the Quixtar recruitment program run by Quixtar "kingpins." See http://www.merchantsofdeception.com. Pyramid Scheme Alert has facilitated a legal defense fund to help defray the huge legal costs that Scheibeler has had to bear in order to defend his rights. Consumers from throughout the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, England and other countries have sent money to the fund. Each of those contributors has helped Eric Scheibeler stand up to the Amway/Quixtar campaign to silence him. Funds are still needed. See http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/donate/LegalDefensedonate.html The court ruling is a major defeat for Amway/Quixtar. Quixtar tried to force a distributor into Amway's own system of arbitration years after the distributor stopped working with the company. Quixtar appeared to believe it could prevent ex-distributors for the rest of their lives from ever speaking out. Binding arbitration would have prevented Scheibeler (all other distributors) from free Speech, long after ending work as an Amway distributor. Amway/Quixtar claimed that Scheibeler had defamed the company. It wanted that charge decided within its own arbitration program, not in a regular court of law. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 2027 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.39.120.51 |
The Judge stated that Quixtar's arbitration process was "unconscionable." Consumers are faced with a "take it or leave it" proposition to agree to the arbitration when they sign up. Few could possibly know its full effects on their lives. The extreme efforts that Amway will go to silence Scheibeler raises the question of how many other former Amway distributors have borne their losses and "failure" in silence, fearing that Amway might legally harass them and financially ruin them with legal costs. If you have questions or news you want to share, contact PSA. Please feel free to forward this Update. -- Robert L. FitzPatrick, Pres. PYRAMID SCHEME ALERT 1800 Camden Rd. Ste. 107 #101 Charlotte, NC 28203 704-334-2047 RFitzPatrick@PyramidSchemeAlert.org http://www.PyramidSchemeAlert.org | ||
| ibofightback New member Username: ibofightback Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 213.112.81.20 |
Gatordave, you'd have a lot more credibility if your linked to sources other than "pyramid scheme alert". Fitzpatrick makes up his own definitions, states things as fact that are false, and folk like you go quote him! Amway, and Quixtar still entirely base their "scheme" on sales to "actual end user customers". What the FTC and numerous courts acknowledge, and Fitzpatrick chooses to ignore, is that if an IBO buys some pasta from Quixtar or Amway, and eats it himself, then he's an "actual end user customer". This is so obvious to most people that it astounds me that some folk don't seem to understand it. Or *are* you Robert FitzPatrick? The last post seeems to indicate it. Get The Facts - The Truth About Amway and Quixtar (Message edited by ibofightback on May 02, 2007) | ||
| gatordave New member Username: gatordave Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.39.120.51 |
What you do not seem to understand, "ibofightback," or you are attempting to fool the masses with, is that Amway’s "business model" is an unsustainable pyramid fraud; over 99% of the people who get involved in Amway loose. That is proven mathematically and through the actual disclosed "earnings" (net losses) of "distributors" (victims). Ask yourself ...why is Amway upset with proposed new regulations that would force them to disclose the "earnings" (losses) of their distributors if they are doing so well? Amway acknowledges this would seriously hurt their business. Why would disclosing millionaires, and others who they claim have obtained this “Financial Freedom”, and brag about no less, possibly hurt their “corporate image?” The simple proven answer is; it is all a pack of lies; they don’t exist; a pack of lies just like USANA and just like the Direct Seller’s Association (DSA) promoting pyramid fraud. Like so many other criminals and criminal organizations and government registered corporations engaging in money-laundering racketeering, their criminal activities have simply been ignored and overlooked for years. Now, Robert Fitzpatrick is an expert witness. He has testified in many court cases involving pyramid fraud schemes. He was in Sri Lanka assisting the bank and government in writing laws against pyramid fraud. He has appeared in all the major news media in the U.S. and the CBC in Canada. He is a consultant for the FBI and the FTC. His name is Robert Fitzpatrick he lives in Charlotte NC.; his nonprofit organization and his photo is on the Internet. He has credibility. Who or what the hell are you with some anonymous "handle" “IBOFIGHTBACK” spouting propaganda from and for this "cult" organization. My nonprofit organization, my name and photo are also on the Internet. I have no reason to pretend I'm Robert Fitzpatrick. Are you DeVos? You, seem to have a reason to pretend you're “anything.” What is your name, where do you live, what is your telephone number and e-mail address. For now you are nothing more than an anonymous "church gossip" or KKK equivalent, anonymously spreading lies through the community calling himself or herself "ibofightback." what an "IBO_JOKE." I particularly like this quote from the link you provided above….. “If you search around the internet you'll find lots of things stated as facts, but when you look closely you will find they're not true.” How absolutely revealing. Follow that logic, properly and diligently, and you’ll find all the lies by Amway and their “off shoots” The link you provided is nothing but more propaganda and lies from another “brain washed” cult member of Amway. Partners in Failure would be far more accurate that “Partners in Success” as is espoused on that propaganda link. You write.... "Fitzpatrick makes up his own definitions...." His "made up" (fully researched) definitions are accepted in a court of law as were mine. Again, for me, that certainly Carries far more credibility than some anonymous cyberspace gossip calling him/herself "ibofightback" spouting off on Factnet. Dave Thornton President CrimeBustersNow www.crimebustersnow.com email gatoraid@sympatico.ca or call us 905-963-3389 we return your calls toll free in North America and 22 countries world-wide including Australia. | ||
| gatordave New member Username: gatordave Post Number: 14 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.39.120.51 |
p.s. In reply to this "narrow-minded" quote of yours "ibofightback".... "Gatordave, you'd have a lot more credibility if your linked to sources other than "pyramid scheme alert"….. Now, if you did some research to bolster your "credibility", before making such absurd statements, or alternatively you know the truth but are simple trying to spread false gossip again to the masses, you would know that I have linked to dozens and dozens of organizations and stories about pyramid fraud including Amway. For example, the FBI, the attorney general of Maryland, newspaper of Maryland, even the news media in the remote island of Vanuatu in the middle of the South Pacific, the World Bank, the account of the downfall of Albania through pyramid fraud schemes, Scam Net website of Australia, the U.S. Federal Trade Commission, The Ontario Securities Commission, Department of Trade and Industry U.K., NCIS U.K. (National Crime Investigation Service), Interpol, Scotland Yard, and links from Ireland to Alaska and points in between, among the dozens of others, and this one in Toronto. You know, you certainly are sounding a lot like Bruce Audley spewing his innuendo with lack of “lucidity” and distorted B.S. http://bizop.ca/blog2/complaints_and_investigations/treasure_traders/ BizOp.ca is provided as a public service by Michael Webster, Ph.D, LL.B. http://bizop.ca/blog2/aboutus.html Dave Thornton President CrimeBustersNow www.crimebustersnow.com email gatoraid@sympatico.ca or call us 905-963-3389 we return your calls toll free in North America and 22 countries world-wide including Australia. | ||
| ibofightback New member Username: ibofightback Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 213.112.81.156 |
gatordave, you're doing the classic "straw man" setup that FtizPatrick does. Wildly complain about the problems of pyramid schemes and wildly complain about Amway as if they are the same thing, without actually backing up the claim. 99% of people who get involved in Amway *do not lose*. That's a myth. A significant percentage of folk who join Amway do so to get cheaper products, something acknowledged by the court in FTC vs Amway. Do the get Amway products cheaper by joining? Absolutely. Where's the loss? Of the rest, the majority don't do the work required! Indeed, my data indicates that only about 1% of folk do the work necessary for the time required to build a successful Amway business. Are you saying it's fraudulent because it requires hard work to succeed and some people decide it's too hard? And they've got up to 12 months to get all their money back (depends on the country, always at least 3 months). But then, why should I be surprised, given you think someone has credibility because they've been on TV and their photo is on the internet! He's been an expert witness! I quote from wikipedia - Sometimes one side has utilized an expert witness to provide fraudulent or junk science testimony in order to convince a jury. Mmmhmmm. Myth: 70% Retail Sales Rule addresses just one of the issues where FitzPatrick is either clueless or dishonest. But he's on TV! He's got a picture on the internet! By god, someone got him to testify in a court case! He must be right and the actual courts that finally judge these things are all wrong!  | ||
| gatordave Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 65 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.39.120.51 |
To answer your "straw man setup" you, ”ibofightback” try so eloquently to use as part of your smoke and mirrors campaign, touting the virtues of the Amway fraud, and I quote ….. “A significant percentage of folk who join Amway do so to get cheaper products” …… Now that statement, (using your own words) certaily exposes a “significant number of folk” not purchasing at the touted retail prices. So how are the serious retail sales people supposed to make their suggested retail income against this unfair competition? And if anyone can join for an insignificant payment of a “start-up fee” and then buy products wholesale, why would anyone who buys even a few hundred dollars worth of these products continue to do so at retail if a simple one time small fee can supply a “life time” of products at below retail? That is unfair competition as well as fraudulent misrepresentation of the markup profit supposedly enjoyed by retail distributors. I receive many complaints from “distributors” two of whom lost their homes, even a distant relative whose concern was, that after selling hundreds of dollars of products to the neighbour, the neighbour, not informed of this small fee “up front” that would have saved hundreds of dollars, was irate! Some “retail distributors” reluctantly and retroactively refunded the difference. This situation is a direct result of this “business’s (pyramid fraud scheme) and misleading representation; the whole shaky foundation upon which it is built. Then you ask this misleading “straw-man question” Where's the loss? The answer is simple; the loss is to the retail sales person who is mislead into believing in the “high retail markup rates” that supposedly will lead her/him to “financial freedom” with cars, houses, yachts, private planes etc. Then you ask this “straw-man” question…. “Are you saying it's fraudulent because it requires hard work to succeed”…. Answer … absolutely not. What I’m saying is that notwithstanding all the hard work it is possible to expend in this fraudulent pyramid ”business” the vast majority of people promised “the dream” can never possibly achieve the dream. It is a physical and mathematical impossibility! Then you ask this question…. “the actual courts that finally judge these things are all wrong!” [?] Answer… No. But the best un-anonymous debater on this forum, Bruce Audley, insisted for years, and is still, I believe, holding to his position that the “network marketing” company Treasure Traders International is a “perfectly legal” enterprise because they have a product; albeit a fraudulently appraised emerald. However, where the arguments counts in the country I live in – Canada; the judge of the Superior Court ruled that notwithstanding this “junk” TTI, is in fact a prima facie, illegal recruiting pyramid fraud. Now, that decision is a result of being sued by two “network marketing” corporations, TTI and BIM for $10 million dollars allegedly for defamatory liable. They tried to have my website shut down by “injunctive relief” and an order preventing me from further defaming them. I successfully defended myself against these two corporations and their firm of 24 lawyers and after a careful five month deliberation the judge ruled they were, in fact, "prima facie" in violation of the Criminal Code of Canada and the Federal Competition Act. cont... | ||
| gatordave Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 66 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.39.120.51 |
Unlike Bruce Audley you are anonymous. We do not know who you are or what you are. You could be a corrupt cop, a politician, a disgusting corrupt lawyer, accountant or just a simple self aggrandizing know-it-all or sadly a “brain-washed” victim. But the question I have for you is this… Have you, after preparing your own material and arguments personally won any decision in any superior court for or against any “legally registered” but criminal organization the decision from which you could post here? We can argue for years “black is white and white is no colour at all.” I can say 2x2=4 and you can insist it = 5. Like the argument with Bruce Audley and his gang of supporters and all the apparent “information” from his friends in the Attorney’s General’s department. What ultimately matters, ”ibofightback”, in the game of law as you pointed out, is the court ruling where, as I have said before, one judge “trumps” a full house of corrupt lawyers, (including those in the high office of government) accountants and fraud artists”…. sort of like ENRON & WORLDCOM etc. proved. So here’s the deal ”ibofightback”. From here in Canada Amway is a fraudulent criminal recruiting pyramid chain in violation of Sec 206 [1][e] of the Criminal Code. The people running this organization are engaged in a criminal act of fraudulent misrepresentation, “money laundering and racketeering.” That is fact! Now, in addition to that, I will plead “no contest” to any amount of damages anyone wishes to claim. No one need prove defamation or damages. So, sue me like the crooks of TTI and BIM have attempted to do. This would cost “peanuts” for the billion dollar likes of Amway or even a dollar or two from all these distributors you claim are doing so well in this corrupt organization. Within a couple of weeks Amway with its billions, or you distributors could be in front of an Ontario judge with all the high-priced lawyers your illegally gotten gains can buy, asking for an injunction restraining me from these defamatory comments. If you don’t want to do that, in order to get a judge’s ruling in your favor, then really you are nothing more than an anonymous “voice from the underworld” with absolutely no credibility, simply trying to discredit those who are upfront and open willing to put their names, and, like the recently assassinated Ottawa Ontario “whistleblower” Randy Rankin, who played a clown for kids, their lives on the line to expose graft, corruption, money-laundering and racketeering. If you can’t bring yourself to sue for principal to fight back, how can you, with a straight face “bill” yourself as ”ibofightback?” dave President www.crimebustersnow.com gatoraid@sympatico.ca 905-963-3389. We return your calls toll free in North America and 22 countries worldwide. | ||
| bruce_audley New member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 209.89.33.126 |
Personally, "ibofightback" would by crazy to step out from anonymity because the shear level of cyber-bullying you heap on anyone with an opposing opinion, simply is not worth it. Fortunately for some of us myself included, we easily see you for the angry, abusive, bully that you have become. Sticks and stones Dave, sticks and stones! The fact that you continue to throw poison, doesn't magically make anything you say right. For any reasonable reader, it just continues to make your position weaker! Bruce | ||
| gatordave Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 67 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.39.120.51 |
And you Audley, are part of the disgusting gang that called me a rapist, made fun of my family and light of the suicide death of my son and all the other nasty dirty things your gang write, twisting and turning, instead of dealing with issues. I hope you are not starting again Audley. As usual you are attacking the messinger rather than dealing with the question of fraud. Now, Conrad Black has been convicted. The Toronto Star last week finally, and it appears reluctantly, wrote a story about the "questionable" fundraising in a number of high profile charities - World-Vision, Sick Kids, that for years I have been openly complaining about and exposing. However they still refuse to name or discuss the reprehensible FOR PROFIT telemaketing companies behind "badge organizations" fraudulent fundraising; the likes of Great West Entertainmant now Xentel (Calgary & Florida) under Mike Platts in trouble with one state after another paying millions in fines resulting from fraudulently raising money for the police and other "badgeclubs" and associations, currentently raising funds for the Association of Fire Chiefs, Big Brothers, Shrine Circus even, unbelievably, CRIMESTOPPERS that recently and deliberately diseminated false information to the media regarding a trumped up "crime" (a lie) ... and this (omitted in the Star) the host of others and in the past, and perhaps even still, chapters of the Kinsmen's Club etc. The Ontario Police Association itself using Millenium Telesevices in West Virginia with their fraud of "sending kids fishing with cops" 84.5% going to the corrupt U.S. telemarketers and most of the rest to the police association and on and on it goes. And Amway is facing a class-action lawsuit along with USANA and others. Now, I would believe FitzPatrick long before before anyone aligned with the vicious Audley cyber-bulling gang. And readers, simply disregard Audley's unsubstanuated nonsence including that an fraudulently appraised emerald makes a pyramid fraud perfectly legal", albeit appraised by a gemoligist who appraises for the RCMP, (TTI Claims) and claimed and probably true, by Dave Stewart the father of RCMP officer Harold Stewart and many other crooks like Kippax including corrupt accountants, lawyers government officials, politicians etc. So I suppose, now coming is more of the usual "attack the messenger" instead of commenting on the subject of fraud. But, like TTI and BIM time will expose the truth of Amway and the rest of these fraud. And of course, as always, no critisim from The Great "I am" Bruce Audley with repect of attacks from pro-crooks like.... "FitzPatrick is either clueless or dishonest." And a position of right or wrong should never be weaken simply because a person does not like the presentation. A person that is swayed by that line of thinking is not seeking truth. From where I sit, folks like that form the likes of "town gossips." Lie about the facts and the truth simply because you don't like the person notwithstanding the lies he is trying to uncover could cause great harm to seniors, the financially unsophisticated and students even in high school or even those unjustly facing jail. It is obvious, you Audley, belong to the community type who perfere "sugar coated lies" and lots of "la-de-da" viz the raw truth. I think any reasonable reader can see through a group of "scavaging sharks" with nothing better to do than rip apart a person already victimized by the flaws in the system that many of the same sharks, including you Audley ironically actually admit exist. I'm sorry but I can only see that as hypocritical. dave (Message edited by gatordave on July 16, 2007) | ||
| bruce_audley New member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 209.89.33.126 |
Your opening paragraph is stifling and for what its worth, not even remotely true. I cannot argue your gross misrepresentations. There is no place to go is a discussion when perverted fantasy displaces day to day reality. | ||
| gatordave Intermediate Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 101 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.178.119 |
Well, I still don't see you dealing with the issues Bruce. You're just "blowing smoke", as you stubbornly, subtly and hypocritically defend pyramid fraud, Ponzi schemes and other white collar crime perpetrated by many of those in high positions you "hang around" with, including lawyers, police officers, members of chambers of commerce, mainline media in this country, politicians, prosecutors and even judges. You do this of course by relentlessly "attacking the messenger." But here it is. Here is the truth. This is the real truth you are constantly in denial of. I certainy hope those around you, and on this forum will see the truth before your attempted "brainwashing" robs them of any independent thought they may have left or questioning of the status quo; the status quo that you are so mired in. USANA's now admitted lies, have surfaced and finally caught up with them, and the proverbial stuff is really "hitting the fan." http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/news/UsanaPyramidScheme.html And FYI the granddaddy of them all AMWAY, is now on the skids and following close behind you will see thousands more MLM and Network-Marketing Scams. This is history in the making, Bruce. And that comes from the very, very top guns of this fraudulent money-laundering organization. To victims and potential victims; both USANA and AMWAY are illegal money laundering racketeering pyramid fraud schemes! If anyone attempts to sign you up RUN!!! if you've become entangled in their web of deceit .... SUE!!! http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/news/TopGunsSueQuixtar.Amway.html dave www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7. We return calls toll free in North America and countries worldwide. | ||
| gatordave Intermediate Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 102 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.178.119 |
The message is this. It was given to us more than 100 years ago... "THE EMPERORS HAVE NO CLOTHES." IT IS JUST THAT SIMPLE!!! dave www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7. We return calls toll free in North America and countries worldwide. | ||
| pickled_sausage New member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.49.43.145 |
You must be bored today. Looking for any reason to spark a confrontation...even a month and a half late in the response. Why not enjoy the sunshine? Head over to Ribfest for a rack of Baby Backs? | ||
| gatordave Intermediate Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 103 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.178.119 |
Again readers, you see the horrendous truth ignored in favour of attacks on the "messinger." I have been extremely busy the last month or more. Students are returning to school where a concentrated effort is being made to recruit them into these scams and schemes. As I have said before; Interpol and other world organizations see this as an enormous exponentially exploding global problem. Money-laundering white-collar crime has caught up to, an now quickly surpassing the entire global illicit drug trade. But then I doubt that drug trafficking disturbs "pickled_sausage" any more than these crimes. Now that we've closed down the Sum-It Club and sent the "Legal Weasel" Lawyer, Tony Gagliese and his reprehensible intimidating lying sister, Rocchina Maimone, "underground" with hopefully the authorities moving in; and the young paralegal determined to get justice for these students those crooks "ripped off"; despite having been called about midnight the other night and told "Watch who you f**k with", she and CrimeBustersNow, nonetheless are in the process of taking down yet another reprehensibe crook, the "Pigeon King"; a particularly vile Ponzi scheme advertizing on radio and placing large ads in newspapers and magazines, operating from Waterloo Ontario. This scam involves 10's, probably 100's of millions. When this illegal Ponzi scheme collapses, the devastation in the agricultural community, particularly the Mennonite community will be catastrophic. I put this out for other readers. It's obvious "pickled-sausage"; a pyramid pushing sympathizer, like so many others with him, has little concern for the students, and in this case farmers, that are being defrauded and their lives irreparably damaged. You go ahead and stuff your face with ribs, "pickled sausage", in oblivious, self imposed ignorance, and "who cares" attitude as to what is happening to our society. At least Steven Truscott has finally been acquitted after 48 years. Of course it was people with your ignorance and attitude stirring the pot while at the same time closing your mind to obvious evidence then "brainwashing" others by vilifying him that would, no doubt, have had him hanged when he was fourteen, thereby avoiding all this controversy and truth searching. dave www.crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7. We return calls toll free in North America and countries worldwide. |
