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     nickyb_1953 New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 25 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.67.28.162 |
Please note that all previous posts under the heading of "Jefferson Campbell" can be accessed through the main heading "Cultbusters". | ||
| spider4president New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
Hey, Nickyb - I've been lost trying to find out what happened to our site? It this the first posting since yours? Can you fill me in on anything? Thanks, Spider | ||
| nickyb_1953 Junior Member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.67.28.162 |
Hi Spider, Not sure what happened. But, the heading for Jefferson Campbell ended up as a sub-heading under "cultbusters". I started this new thread in hope that folks would see it and the conversations could continue here. It's kind of a drag but I don't know how to move it from cultbusters to where it was before. Any ideas?? | ||
| spider4president New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
Not really. Have you written to any of the people in charge of this website? BTW, can you give me any hints of who you are? I'd then do the same. No reason not to, really. Then maybe we could communicate off site - we might have a lot to catch up on. | ||
| nickyb_1953 Junior Member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 27 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.67.28.162 |
Not sure how to contact you without exposing my identity on line, which I am not willing to do. Any suggestions? | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1718 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
ya! contact his email is available and exchange through him. dave crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 we return calls 24/7 toll free in N. America And 22 countries. We investigate, offer practical solutions, solve problems, and now sue on your behalf in our jurisdiction and offer advice with scams worldwide. Pyramid fraud, general fraud, seizure of business and/or chattles by private bailiffs and/or landlords and other similar issues. We don't fool around with these crooks and we get results. (Message edited by admin on July 14, 2006) | ||
| spider4president New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
Where is Bruce's e-mail - and will we both have to e-mail him or just one of us and he will have access to the other's address? Thanks | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1720 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
It is postd elsewhere on the forum (Message edited by admin on July 14, 2006) | ||
| pickled_sausage Intermediate Member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 111 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.93.13.36 |
Dave...are you stunned? Bruce never claimed to have any information on Jefferson Campbell. Is this what you've stooped to? Inundating him with unwanted email? You're misleading people. Stop being petty. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1721 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
Don't be ridiculous, "Pickled Brains" always making something out of nothing just like the gossiping "church witch" I compared you to before. Bruce has posted his name and email as I have. We are two of the very few who are not anonymous cowards attacking from the shadows like you. No one said anything about Bruce knowing anything about Jefferson Campbell. You, as usual, are the Shi# stirring" stunned one. The relentless gossip. Bruce has publicly put up his email on this forum, which like myself is an invitation to have people contact him much the same as a house address gets mail. Only here he voluntarily and deliberately posted it to the world as did I mine. All these guys want is someone to exchange their identities and since Bruce has already exposed his email address, WHAT'S YOUR IDIOTIC PROBLEM??? You sound like an indignant paranoid KKK member afraid of the "light of day". Go back to your sports channel. Bruce is a big boy he can speak for himself, I certainly didn't think helping these guys would cause a riot. I only posted what he has already posted with a suggestion. And I have one for you too, but I see the censorship has tightened up a bit. Do you see a problem here Bruce? I have my name, address, email, telephone number on this forum for the world to contact me. Now, don't you think I would look a bit ridiculous taking a "b#tch-fit" like "PICKLED BRAINS" here if you suggested someone contact me??? I mean really??? dave | ||
| bruce_audley Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 277 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 142.59.179.3 |
Thank-you and like yourself, I am surprised but long realized that he can play far dirtier. Perhaps it is just some kind of power trip or maybe he confuses this with helping the disadvantaged somewhere in the world. As I unfortunately have no knowledge of this organization, I cannot comment however; I feel badly that he is using other people for some weird, silly game. They may mistakenly assume I am a legitimate source of knowledge and in turning to me for help, merely be deflected from valuable resources somewhere else. I never tire of your kindness old friend and hope you are doing well. Look at this way, at least he is picking on someone larger than himself and is leaving some of the other posters alone. We have all seen him in action when he feels he is holding some moral high ground and there is little that can be said about some of his past attacks on completely innocent people! You must admit though it is amusing how he considers himself now solving truly large world crimes and his latest about Russia was actually truly worth saving. His suggestion that a housing scam in Russia is somehow linked to BBT, XYZ, Woman For Woman, T.T.I.Co. and any of the other millions of other pyramid operations that he has helped the world rid itself of, makes for enjoyable although comical reading. Where local and international police networks have failed, no criminal element has yet been able to withstand the cunning and shear tenacity of his global crime fighting network and don't forget, it's toll free in 149 countries and 12 territories. It appears obvious in reading his postings that the British Government along with The British High Court, work directly with him on matters of urgent United Kingdom pyramid development. And yet, he still has time for us. I for one feel it is a blessing because if he wasn't here he could be out doing some real harm. Bruce | ||
| bruce_audley Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 280 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 142.59.179.3 |
"pickled_sausage" - As I was typing my above response, Dave was at the same moment throwing the fit that you see so eloquently displayed before my posting. My comments on my 10:50 pm posting were meant for you and someone quickly reading may be forgiven for thinking I was directing them at Dave. My decision to not be anonyomous is mine and mine alone. I chose that route because I wanted to help others receive information about a virulent training organization called "Rapport Leadership International". It was a good decision because I have been reached by hundreds and have managed to at least answer the questions that this organization and its sponsors refuse to give. As you and I are already aware, I have also used this forum to warn people about investing in a trading scheme called "Treasure Traders International Co.". Though we both wanted the same end, David Thornton's "him against the world style" was simply too communistic for me so we (according to him) became enemies. I gave up attempting to communicate with him long ago as communication usually assumes reasonable though sometimes hearty debate. But alas, for David Thornton there is only "Dave's World" and if your thoughts don't conform to those of his narrow, restrictive vision of the poor working man against the police and the courts of our nation well, you more or less get what you just got! And for anyone wondering what is to stop David Thornton from contacting me directly through my e-mail address, all I can say is thank GOD for spam filters because they just work so darn perfectly! I am sorry "pickled_sausage" that you were subjected to that from someone that obviously is not well. I can just say again, thank-you for your kind thoughts and until "ADMIN" can erase the references from David's rantings, I will just need to assure anyone that is looking for information regarding this topic, please understand that I don't know any more than I have read here. David Thronton has taken "mean" to a whole new level here by suggesting you e-mail someone that has no knowledge regarding your concerns. Unfortunately for you, this is a completely new low even for him! Bruce | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1722 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
Here you guys are making something out of nothing again. Two guys want to stay anonymous but want to know how to exchange emails. Bruce has posted his website for anyone to contact him so I suggest they send Bruce their email addresses to exchange anonymously since he accepts emails as I do from anyone on this forum. It had nothing to do with Jefferson Campbell or any other subject...."Nickyb_1953 wrote "Not sure how to contact you without exposing my identity on line, which I am not willing to do. Any suggestions?" He wasn't asking for information on Jefferson Campbell or any subject you "stunned ignoramus" (and who started again with the name calling?)He simply wanted to contact someone. I did not suggest he ask Bruce about Jefferson Campbell or any subject either, you church basement gossips. And Bruce again makes a great defense against some allegation that was never made and rattles on and on again with his exaggerating. Where the heck did I ever post, as the sick gossip Bruce writes.... "British Government along with The British High Court, work directly with him on matters of urgent United Kingdom pyramid development.".... Nowhere did I ever write that the British Government worked directly with me, or especially the British High Court worked either directly or indirectly with me on anything. Who really lives in the world of fantasy here? And where did I ever post "toll free in 149 countries and 12 territories." As I say you're simply exaggerating sick church type gossips, you and the "PICKLED BRIAN" and a few others. You ought to get that "cat-o-nine" you talk about and wrap it around your own throat. I know I reach North America and at least 22 countries toll free. So I post what I know and do not exaggerate. It's to bad all you self professing "up standing" citizens don't do the same; we would have far fewer problems and fraud in this world. And talk about paranoid. Bruce wrote... "I feel badly that he is using other people for some weird, silly game." What game??? Two people want to exchange emails. What the heck is the matter with you people? They could use my email, but the only people who contact me are those who have been victimized in these frauds and by experience know the truth. Frauds you people seem to have no problem with, some of you embrace and turn your back on the harm they do. The others are those intelligent enough to figure them out without getting involved and want to help prevent, rather the obscure and cover up these frauds. Oh, and another threatening to sue me and one from Canadian Diamond Traders with Audley type false allegations and exaggerations. You’ve done such a hatchet job on me with your lies and exaggerations, who other than those that know the truth, would trust me with their email address. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1723 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
All you had to do is send one person another’s email and you turn it into this crap. You sickos. "Spider", I know nothing of your topic, I don’t know if I would be on your side or not, but if you want to trust me with your emails I’ll exchange them for you. That’s what bugs me. It took me two years and hundreds of phone calls and enquiries to locate the woman in the horrible story on my website that claims she was also railroaded on trumped up charges of threatening by the crooks running the same 4 tier 1-2-4-8 pyramid fraud as “WEW” Canadian Diamond Traders, Treasure Traders International and the rest. What a can of worms, of police corruption, political payments, charity fraud and intimidation supported by documents, facts and witnesses that has uncovered. It's the crap and unwarranted attacks that the likes of Audley spews that keeps victims from coming forward. What defrauded student would want to speak out in a community with a Bruce Audley around, misusing the talents his father taught him. Now, it is you Bruce with your gossiping wagging tongue that brought all this up on this thread not me! Remember that! dave ....... crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 we return your calls toll free in North America and 22 countries. gatoraid@sympatico.ca | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1724 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
And Bruce looking for some thread of credibility in the TTI scam writes…. “As you and I are already aware, I have also used this forum to warn people about investing in a trading scheme called "Treasure Traders International Co." Ya, what a joke!!! What you have told people in a nut-shell is this. TTI is illegal until you met with people of power than you declared TTI was PERFECTLY LEGAL.” On one hand you pretend to warn people, on the other you told them to get in and get out quickly. It was closed by the High Court of England as a pyramid. Many people who have lost thousands have come forward. The same media whose lawyers you claim to have talked to, or have knowledge of, responsible for “gutting the story” on Global TV in your area, has changed their opinions and have now posted on the internet TTI was a pyramid scheme. You seem to forget what the RCMP officer in Calgary said in the media about pyramid fraud, the irrelevance of a product as a “mask” and that that indeed people can be charged. That’s different from your “thumbing you nose” at the law and the victims and claiming this ridiculous cheap emerald was everything when it came to the law. It is nothing and absolutly irrelivent as I maintained and as held up by the High Court of England with the seazure of TTI. So being Perfectly Legal in your opinion would mean people are immune to prosecution or from being successfully sued. The fact is they can be both prosecuted and sued big time. You are on record as not caring about students, ethnic groups, the financially unsophisticated, and those who are not as intelligent as you and who deserve to defrauded by those as intelligent and manipulative as you. What you spout is all dissimulation, know as hypocrisy. You’re more twisted than a cork screw hazel tree Bruce. And now the hint of communism, that eventually always creeps in, for my attempting to provide assistance to students, ripped off for thousands and ethnic Canadians some with their businesses destroyed by the former Minister of Railways, India now a “financial advisor” in Mississauga misusing his credibility to “financially rape” his own community. But you still find it necessary to rip apart, discredit, and attempt to obstruct someone attempting to get justice for them. Slowly we find you true character a where your political sympathy lies. Far, far right of centre. And don’t ever suggest with the hypocritical statements that you continue to write that you want the same ends as me. You believe these abhorrent pyramid schemes are perfectly legal and should, it would appear, therefore continue. And that somehow we have different laws in this country than in the U.K. So you hardly want these people arrested prosecuted, punished and made to pay back the victims. That, you have made clear more than once. In fact you fraternize with the scamers. You make fun of those who have lost. You don’t seem to think these scammers should be treated like those jailed for 14-25-30-50 and 100 years in the U.S. because the judge noted these frauds do far more harm than the average day violent crimes. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1725 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
You are a smooth talking, honey coated hypocrite Bruce, and if your dad was half the man you claim, I believe he would be disgusted with the way you use the talent he passed on to you as you ridicule and laugh at the victims and “suck up” to the perpetrators and sympathizers. We became enemies, if you wish to use such a strong term (and please don’t forget you used the word first) because in the face of facts, and the terrible harm this fraud was perpetrating you caved in to mind manipulating wealthy law twisting people of power and threw what appeared, up to that time to be morals, in the trash. People of weak conscience, under a little pressure and a chance to be with the power of the day did that in Austria, Hungary, and the Ukraine turning to the extreme right wing against there own struggling masses, be they poor, be they students, whatever. There is something to be studied about “blind power” and those who throw aside morals to be part of it. Right now in this country, and it is widely known throughout the world, fraudsters, (among them pyramid fraud artists) drug dealer, and counterfeiters through their wealth, influence politicians and law enforcement, and stave off prosecution, influence the media, threaten assault and intimidate, and can even have opponents, male or female arrested on false allegations. No chance of that happening with Bruce, he jumps ship and rides with the powerful, his morals be damned. And all this because I suggested you could help two people contact one another through your publicly, and voluntarily displayed email, not a damn thing to do with any topic. dave ....... crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 we return your calls toll free in North America and 22 countries. gatoraid@sympatico.ca | ||
| pickled_sausage Intermediate Member Username: pickled_sausage Post Number: 112 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.93.13.113 |
Anyone familiar with the way you operate would see right through this. This is not you innocently trying to broker an email exchange between two parties. This is you trying to cause a nuisance to others. Otherwise you would have simply provided your own email and offered your services up front. Because you happen to know someone's email does not entitle you to offer it up or any services associated with it, without the individual's consent. You've posted your email above. Is that an invitation for others to inundate you with spam and other unwanted email? I'd say not. How typical that you do something obviously intended to be provactive and then not have the stones to back it up and admit your motivation. Like the countless times that you have called people horrendous names on this forum and after the fact deny, rationalize, claim you were taken out of context etc. etc. | ||
| spider4president New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
Gentlemen, Gentlemen - Please cease and desist. Your dialogue has gone way beyond providing an email exchange between two posters. While I appreciate your willingness to help us, I think it is better to leave this particular posting board about Jefferson Campbell to his victims so we can continue to communicate. Thank you | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1728 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
Inviting what "Spam" "Pickled Brains" are you absolutely stunned? As I said, just like some old exaggerating church basement gossiping reactionary shew. You post your emails and you takes your chances where it ends up. You are, as I have pointed out many times an anonymous gutless coward. It's fine to give anonymous opinions on subjects, but when you want to level personal attacks, that’s when you should come out of the dark shadows of your sewer and face your opponent, not hide behind anonymity and a gang with eyeholes cut in your hoods. You dart out hear with your personal attacks then duck back into the shadows of your sewer. We already set up a specific gaterdave attact board take it there you anonymous coward and your sick friends can follow you. Your absolutely right “spider” when you say “I think it is better to leave this particular posting board about Jefferson Campbell to his victims so we can continue to communicate. Thank you” It is also obvious from your reply to my suggestion you were not looking to spam anyone. This anonymous attacking entity identifying himself as a “Pickled Sausage” chose for himself an appropriate name I'd say. dave I am certainly interested in knowing more on the subject of Jefferson Campbell if you have evidence of yet another scammer with a “well oiled” program taking advantage of victims. We are setting up practical step by step methods of dealing with these scammers to bring them down. The “brainwashing” scam I am currently working on and gathering affidavits about is really “sick.” | ||
| nickyb_1953 Junior Member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 28 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.67.28.162 |
Hi Spider, Here's a thought. Are you on the current Fellowship list that Steven J. put together? If so, is there someone on that list you are comfortable with that we could use as a go between? Let me know. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1730 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
Now there's your answer above, "PICKLED BRAINS" Only those who are victims of what I am exposing or have knowledge of what I am talking about contact me. It goes without saying, and as I suspected, and as you can witness here, "nickyb_1953" is not about to trust me with his email, and after what you people have done with your outright lies and innuendos concerning me, (now the hint of communism) I certainly neither condemn nor blame him for that. | ||
| spider4president New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
Yes, I am on Stephen's list. About 6 months ago I sent a notice to everyone on that list about the condition of a loved one. Does that give you enough info? If so, you may as well email me directly. | ||
| nickyb_1953 Junior Member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 29 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.67.28.162 |
Hi Spider, If you are who I think you are, then I called you yesterday evening and you were off to a meeting. Did we connect?? Cheers | ||
| spider4president New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 18 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
Sorry, NB, did not get your message, and was not in any meetings where I couldn't take calls. It occurs to me that the list may have an outdated phone number for me. I'll have to dig it out and look at it when I get home tonite and see - and maybe I can figure you out from the clues you've given. Looks like you came to APF as a Satsangi already, got married in the fellowhship, live in Calif. and appreciate education. Did you have a child? Male or female? Age? I'm 61 now, was married and after doing programs on Orcas, we had it together enough to have a child, daughter now 25. No longer married to same person, we divorced in 1990 and are friends now. Remarried, happily since 1999. Wife has two sons, so we are a blended family, also living in Calif. | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1738 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
If you feel you can trust me I will be more than happy to exchange your emails. If not would you honestly explain why. I am here to help people in a practical sense and have done so in the past. You will receive nothing from me. I will exchange your emails and remove them from my computer. Period. I am more than happy to that. dave.... crimebustersnow.com 905-963-3389 24/7 we return calls toll free in N. America and at least 22 countries. | ||
| nickyb_1953 Junior Member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 30 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.67.28.162 |
Gatordave, Thanks for the offer. Spider and I did connect. Nickyb | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1739 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 72.38.117.34 |
Glad to hear. | ||
| beentheretoo New member Username: beentheretoo Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 64.59.144.26 |
Hello It is NEw Year's day and I had just looked up a few former APF members on the net wehn I came upon this site. I was reading with interest about some of your experiences. I too was intermittently involved since 1980 on Orcas and in Murietta and moved full time with my two children to Murietta in 1985 only to hit upon the great dissolve in 1987. Since I didn't have much to do with Jefferson, except for a few workshops he headed, I never understood the reverence people had for the man. I felt pretty lucky the day the •••• hit the fan or the day someone pointed it out to me. To me living in the fellowship was a beautiful thing. I wasn't there to do anything other than what I was doing. Living in fellowship with likeminded people for a common goal. Bringing some of the tools and benefits of our program to the people. I had definetly benefited from these programs myself and was willing to make it my life work to be part of this group. I understand that there had been weired stuff going on for some of the members and I never understood the strange hirachy in the different areas. I really didn't care. I guess it depends on what you want from the situation. I was not interested to climb any ladder and therfor didn't subject myself to any games. I did, however have a problem with the children's program. I had a confrontation with one of the upper echelon teachers there because my oldest daughter was so unhappy and felt so isolated in that program. My youngest daughter was being cared for by Semma who showed her always kindness and care. Luckily the fellowship hired Madame Caspari and the whole school ceized to be run by Alive staff. We were so impressed with the program that I have been heavily involved with Montessori Education, lobbying here the school boards to have public Montessori elementary and high schools in our city. My then youngest daughter is now a Montessoir teacher. My oldest, although she is working now as a veternary assistant is often unable to work because she suffers from agarophobia intermittenlty, on prescriprion medicine for this, I believe this to be a remnant of her stay at APF. | ||
| beentheretoo New member Username: beentheretoo Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 64.59.144.26 |
Continued from previous I was trying to look up some of the fellowship members because I am looking into creating an intentional community here. Now wondering if that is possible without messing things up royally like at Murietta . We had all the best intentions. If you have any contact info that you can supply, I would appreciate it. You could get permission from the other first, let me know and I will get you my contact info. Thanks, |
