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     Anonymous |
Jefferson Campbell is now practicing Holistic Medicine in Sydney, Australia. IMO, people have a right to know that this man has a dubious history. He was the founder and cult leader of the Alive Polarity Fellowship, a polarity therapy training school on the West Coast, including the famous Murrieta Hot Springs Resort in Southern California. Complete and unquestionable obedience was expected of all members. Those who didn't comply were often humiliated in group meetings until they acknowledged their mistake and asked for forgiveness. It was a totalitarian regime with Campbell in complete control. Following Campbell's expulsion from the group in 1986 for misconduct, numerous reports from ex-members of physical, mental, and emotional abuse surfaced. Astute caution is recommended in dealing with this man. Yes, he may have some useful information but be very careful not to get pulled in by his warmth, charm, charisma, and aura of "knowledge". And, he may try to convince you that he knows more about you and your needs than you do! Don't buy it!! Question his background. http://www.onlinenaturopath.net/profile.html | ||
| Anonymous (67.119.10.209) |
Jeff Campbell is a very dangerous person - a complete phony who has admitted to a problem with needing to control and with lying. Hundreds of people have been devastated by him. He personally supervised the physical, emotional and mental torture of his followers, including his wife, who lost all her hair because of his affair with his current wife, Lynn (Allyn Singer). In fact, their teenage son was born while she was married to another of Campbell's followers, and for a long time he denied it was his and convinced the group that her now former husband had a problem with anger and was therefore not accpeting the child. Keep in mind that sex outside of marriage was completely forbidden in his "commune". He is totally rejected now as a con-man by his former friends and followers, who consider him a sociopath and considered taking criminal action against him when the truth came out in 1986 and he was forced out of what we then realized was a destructive cult. I was one of those people - I am not bitter, I accept that although I was very skeptical, I did make the choice to join his group. I would just like to warn anyone who would seek help from him that the real Jeff Campbell is not the one you think you are getting. In fact, the people closest to him are the ones whom he brutalized the most - both men and women - and he had sex with many of the women as he broke down the personalities of the men, who thought they were his best friends. Notice that in his bio he makes no mention of his more than 10 years building this cult of followers - the Alive Polarity at Murrieta Hot Springs group that did a lot of good things in spite of Campbell. This is a man that can never be trusted - those who have insight need only look at the insincerity of Jeff and Lynn in the picture on their website. All of his teaching about balance is stuff he made up. He will do anything to accomplish his goals. He is a sick man who can bamboozle people with his phony warmth and charisma. | ||
| Anonymous (66.155.129.1) |
Thanks for the response to my post from February 19th. Yes, I too was a member of the Alive Polarity Fellowship. And, fortunately, I was not included in Campbell's inner circle. And, you are absolutely correct! Despite Campbell, we did our best to give top quality service to the folks that came to the Hot Springs. And, may I add that, IMO, the majority of members were sincere in their intent to bring a bit of "light" to this challenging planet of ours. Like yourself, I was highly skeptical of the whole scene with Campbell in control. I often asked myself, "what am I doing here?" That distant voice of skepticism probably saved my ass by preseving a bit of my individuality and autonomy. Well, it's over now and I don't regret the many wonderful people I had the good fortune of associating with, most likely you included. My intent for posting is for the safety and mental health of those who may fall under Campbell's charismatic and manipulative spell. I hope that someone associated with him or close to being so, will read these posts and pass the word to avoid this man at all costs. Be well! | ||
| Anonymous (198.77.78.183) |
I wondered for years where this guy ended up-- I "joined staff" up on Orcas and was the first official fellowship divorce -- literally running in the middle of the night from being beaten by the man who was the "husband" of my arranged "marriage". I had heard jeff giving him instructions to do this as i passed unnoticed in the dark beneath the office window. I was "guilty" of disapproving of the way the new babies and children were being treated/ abused and had announced to my "husband" that I wanted to leave- he was too far gone in thrall to jeff to consider it and turned me in as a traitor-- leading to Jeffs' telling him to "put me in my place" as a "proper wife'-- nearly all the blood vessels between my waist and knees were broken when I escaped running thru the woods and literally stole the last community car left in the lot to drive to a public hotel on the island which took pity on me when they saw my condition and let me have a room for the night while i arranged for friends in Seattle to pick me up at the ferry and called the sherriff. I loved many of the people there and could not contact them because they would be punished for recieving contact from me! Jeff tried every which way to lure me back-- terrified of publicity- I had had to bring the island sherriff with me to make sure I would be allowed to leave again. He cajoled and pleaded and dictated letters to my "husband" proclaiming undying love and fealty and didn't I know that I should be with the fellowship as the" most positive place on the earth". I have maintained relationships with many of those who were there when I left. For the most part they stayed another 10 yrs--. moving shortly after I left to the Murrietta location--before the truth about the place came out and it was disbanded. I am proud to say that these people are the dearest and finest people I know and we love each other dearly. We feel like those who endured the jungles of Vietnam or the horrors of any war together. There are things no one else could possibly understand w/o having experienced them. My greatest sorrow was the children. Talking to some of those now grown young people is heart-rending. They had their childhoods perverted and stolen in ways they only now are able to come to grips with. Most disheartening is the profession of many of these kids that they no longer believe in God or a higher being of any sort. They had their faith stolen by this man who calls himself a"healer." The litany of suffering that anyone of my friends could tell of the days spent in locked rooms being told their babies would never see them again if they left., the beating of women, the dishonoring of spirituality, the control by fear-- the affairs with many frightened wives of many good men and jeffs own drug use while posturing a "pure" lifestyle-- can all be read in the trial transcripts of the lawsuit that brought him down and ran him out of the country. It was on the front pages of the papers in Santa Barbara and LA and on the evening news as well. I agree -- it was my choice to be there and I do not regret it at all. It was an amazing experience in my life of learning to trust my own judgement and inner direction and led me to REAL healers and my daughters' amazing husband and family. So no regrets. I love all of you who were in those trenches and hope all those I haven't seen lo these many years have found happiness and peace and blessings-- which is really what I think we were all looking for. There were no stupid people there --only the damaged and lonely and needy (and for the most part wealthy before jeff got his hands on the money). Heed the warnings here all who read them-- hopefully someone will find a way to enlighten Sydney about this mans' past actions. I believe people can change but this particular person changing is along the lines of Hitler being a "sweet,kindly old man" if he had lived... Take Good Care Y'all | ||
| Anonymous (198.77.78.183) |
Just a note to follow the last post. The treatments and therapies that jeff uses are NOT his own discoveries by any stretch of the imagination. That was always one of the problems with finding out the 'real' jeff campbell. He mixed just enough truth into his mess that it left very bright people puzzling about what they really knew as Truth. Polarity therapy and all the other treatments described in his online site are definitely real and valid treatments and many people have had near miraculous success after trying them. But make no mistake-- NONE of this came from jeff himself. He has appropriated the knowledge of a mix of TRUE HEALERS and is passing it off as his own. That's how he got all those followers back in the '70's. He had a few very specialized healers that only the priviledged few had access to. One of whom I spent 12 yrs. learning from after leaving the Fellowship. All I can say is that those who gave him the info are glad that it helps any who need it but there is much head shaking about jeffs ego and greed and the things no one hears of -- like sending away terminal cancer patients so they wouldn't die anywhere near him and tarnish his reputation for "miraculous cures". This man is dangerous to those who have financial means that he wants or the personality type to sit at his feet adoringly.The more successful this clinic becomes the more dangerous he will become to those who are in the most need of help. | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 66.155.129.2 |
I truly feel for the folks who were in Jeff's inner circle. IMO, they were hurt the most by the break-up. Regarding chiroted: hey dude, time to get up and splash your face; the dream is over; IMO, the fellowship had it pluses and minuses. One big plus were the great folks and life-long friends. I don't regret having gone through the experience but I would never wish it on anyone. Face it, Ted, Jeff is a control freak and dangerous. How can you not doubt this? Where have you been? Do you call this healthy: 1. Needing a chaperon so that conversations with family and friends outside the cult can be monitored and controlled. 2. Women cannot leave the property alone. 3. Cannot listen to the music of your choice. 4. Rules against eating chocolate or drinking coffee. 5. Cannot attend the movie of your choice. All movies must first be approved. 6. Cannot attend family weddings or funerals. 7. No private vacation time for married couples after their honeymoons. Trips to Dera don't count!! 8. Cannot dress as you wish. 9. Cannot pursue higher education. 10. Living in an institution where the leader, Jefferson, was considered an unquestionable authority; his word was it. That means, if you doubted Jeff, then you were fucked...go do "awareness" so you can be manipulated into believing the bullshit! What horseshit calling it "awareness". 11. We were taught to fear the outside world, considering it "negative"; this instilled in many a fear of leaving. Hey, Ted, this is all classic cult shit we went through and very unhealthy. We were a bunch of children in adult bodies. Really sicko, IMO!! | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 66.155.129.2 |
Oh, I forgot one thing. There is no fricken way I would have wanted to be raised as a kid in the AP cult. The sports program sucked; no team sports, which were my life blood as a kid; and, I can't imagine attending high school in the fellowship; the science department would have been a disaster. Thank god the whole thing ended so the kids could get on with their lives and education. And, one last word, most of the kids turned out well, IN SPITE OF their expeience in AP. The ones I know have loving and caring parents who bend over backwards to help them. I tip my hat off to them not Jefferson. | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 66.155.129.50 |
Now, for the personal benefits I received from being in the Alive Polarity Fellowship. 1) I grew-up, got married to a wonderful woman, and learned to be responsible and dependable. Those traits were already a part of me; the fellowship gave me the structure I needed to express them. 2) I developed friendships that will undoubtedly last a lifetime; and with many wonderful, kind, and loving people. If I were ever in need of help for one reason or another, I know that many AP friends would be right here to lend support and assistance. 3) I received valueable health information that I use to this day. | ||
| me_me (me_me) New member Username: me_me Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 4.60.65.87 |
I read all that...and I was unaware of most of what happened there. Duh... I began with the group in Shasta, moved to Orcas..I do recall NS. Hello NS. I am not in the loop you speak of. It was awful living there. I wanted to leave after being with the group 1 year but I was tooo fuken scared ! That is how brainwashed I was. | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 66.155.129.45 |
Hi Me Me; Hey, you're not alone about the fear thing! Part of the dogma of the group was that if a person left, he or she would be tainted by all the "negativity" on the outside. BTW, what brought you to Orcas? Nickyb | ||
| me_me (me_me) New member Username: me_me Post Number: 2 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 4.60.65.87 |
Hi Nick, I was at Shasta first. I came to learn about Polarity and natural health. How about you, how did you find the cult? Reading the posts above brought up stuff for me that was shoved down pretty deep. | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 66.155.129.81 |
My first experience with Alive Polarity was a workshop with Jefferson Campbell then programs up at Orcas. From there, I spent time in Calistoga then on to Murrieta Hot Springs in SC. I got involved for several reasons. 1) I had an interest in Holistic health 2) I was a satsangi (Beas) and was drawn to be with other satsangis in community 3) Personal growth potentialities Well, as it turned out, Alive was just another "patriarchal style" cult that expected complete obedience and submission from its members. And, in order to exist and function in such an environment, a person had to train his or her mind to shut off their gut feelings and intuition. I felt a tremendous sense of relief after J. Campbell got kicked out. I sincerely hope that anyone reading these posts avoids the guy at any cost. IMO, he lacks the integrity and honesty needed to really help people. BTW, how did find this website? | ||
| me_me (me_me) New member Username: me_me Post Number: 3 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 66.58.59.50 |
I became a Satsangi as part of my brain washing. I no longer follow a guru. I was "set free" upon the news of Jeff, I gathered my child, husband and left right then. I was relieved too when the information on Jeff came out. When one is brainwashed it is a slow process that is detected after the fact. Jeff and his inner circle planned and used ways of influence that were so slick. How did I find this site? I sat at my lap top and wondered, which I occasionally do...lol...and typed in Alive Polarity Fellowship. I am grateful someone started this. I don't tell people about my experience with the cult, until I am "close" and willing to divulge my inner embarrassed "holy shit" side. Like you said, personal growth potentialites..guess we both grew from our experience. I am looking forward to more messages here. | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 66.155.129.54 |
Hi Me Me, Were you at Murrieta Hot Springs? No need to answer if you're uncomfortable with the question. You know, you're right! I grew tremendously from the experience. But, it had to end for me to realize it. I am way more "street wise" now than when I entered. I still keep in touch with some of the folks from the Fellowship; IMO, most were kind and generous people with the honest intention of helping others...and probably still do. I no longer practice Sant Mat. I gave it a shot for 25 years; just didn't meet my spiritual needs. Now, I put more emphasis on spiritual "transformation" versus "inner" experiences. Hey, please pass the word about this site! It would be insightful to have more participation. Thanks for coming aboard and keep on posting. Cheers, Nickyb | ||
| me_me (me_me) New member Username: me_me Post Number: 4 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 66.58.59.50 |
Yes, I was at MHS (can I have a hint as to who you are? I will give you one). I am only in touch with my ex from the group, and an occasional happen "run into". Or if I pick up the phone I am intouch with a "still married couple". There used to be a phone/email list..Do you have it? | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 66.155.129.38 |
I live in the Golden State; Which state do you currently live in? Yes, we received an updated phone/email list a few months ago. | ||
| me_me (me_me) New member Username: me_me Post Number: 5 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 66.75.53.238 |
I live not too far from MHS..... I am "not in the (new)circle" I didn't receive the updated phone list. Mine is many years old. As I look back I understand why I joined the group, the pattern keeps appearing with out me going over the edge again. I ran as fast as I could from MHS, I saw everyone in the group as the emeny. | ||
| sal (sal) New member Username: sal Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 65.73.91.110 |
I was a part of the original Mount Shasta group, and like me-me, occasionally reflect on my experiences. Googled Jefferson Campbell, and voila! This site came up. All these years later, I remember fondly many of the people who were there at the same time - Nala Raj, Angela, Karen H., etc. I remember, not so fondly, Jefferson, the chubby little power-monger. I am so sorry to hear that he did such damage to so many. I chose not to make the move to Orcas, and hung out at the Lodge in Shasta for a time. Anybody from that same time period out there? | ||
| me_me (me_me) New member Username: me_me Post Number: 6 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 67.20.94.119 |
Hi Sal, I was at Mt Shasta for the last program. I know of some from that time period. (Message edited by me_me on March 24, 2005) | ||
| iam1of1 (iam1of1) New member Username: iam1of1 Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 209.94.95.1 |
Last night, only god knows why, I put in "Murrieta Hot Springs Polarity Therapy" into my browser and ended up here... I should have known I was about to run head-long into this part of my past... just the other morning I woke with an old APF song in my head. But it still caught me off guard. I am one of those wonderfully well-adjusted KIDS who benifited from my mother's strength and insight... she stood up for herself and others. She gave us our freedom and it took me 10 years to realize it and to forgive her for uprooting me from the only life I knew. It took me 10 years to stop being angry, to begin to remember the good parts of my unique upbringing, and to (believe it or not) forgive "the fat man". Now 8 years after forgiving and letting go of it all... I knew I had some unresolved "issues" from my childhood because no matter how successful I have become, there is still this place where I just can't seem to get past. I found a great program of meditation that really pushes those blocks and you can't help but get through them... so I almost expected that my past would be lurking somewhere around a nearby corner... but even keeping an eye out for it I was not prepared to hear that he's still out there and trying to con others. This morning I woke up and I was amussed by my choice of clothing and my attitude... I was an angry pre-teen, deffensive and ready to kick some ass again.  In my awareness of myself I allowed myself to feel it for a while and shared not only this sight, but my experience, with my mother... who also was not prepared for the reaction it caused in her. Now I am filled with curriosity and the need to do something with this information. I want to learn more... I want to hear the stories of others, knowing that every single one of us had a unique perspective of this place and time. I see that some who were there are still very angry... I understand, but I would like you to know that not all the children who were there are non-believers now. If anything I took what I learned and sought out other's beliefs to see what else was out there and I found god in my own way and there is a "path" and we are all on it. There is a god, and we are all part of it... even those who we may think do not deserve it. (Message edited by iam1of1 on August 20, 2005) | ||
| iam1of1 (iam1of1) New member Username: iam1of1 Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 209.94.95.1 |
After quite a search I found a web site... Jeff and Lynn Campbell's Nature Cure Clinic. I'm just wondering if this is the web site mentioned previously here? It doesn't look like the man I remember. | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 66.155.129.55 |
Yes, it is. See the first post above for specific website info. BTW, thanks for a wonderful and heartfelt post! Plese share more if you are so inclined. Nickyb | ||
| spider4president (spider4president) New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
To Iam1of1: I am curious whether your anger was toward your Mom for bringing you to the Fellowship or taking you away from it? I know my daughter had a terrible adjustment being torn from what she knew as a big family. If there is anything you would like to know - feel free to ask. I think the adults who are willing to share have a responsibility to the children to be truthful about everything - we need to be part of their healing as we all participated in what happened. | ||
| me_me (me_me) New member Username: me_me Post Number: 7 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 66.75.55.119 |
I have also found "those lyrics" going round my head too, only to realize after a couple of moments what I was repeating. It brings back to me "what the hell was I thinking those years". | ||
| spider4president (spider4president) New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
Has anyone noticed that Jefferson has pulled his site off the Internet? I think this website and our comments are at least part of the reason. I also know of at least one person that e-mailed him directly, so I'm quite sure he went back into hiding. You can still get to his old website by googling "Allyn Campbell" "Nature Cure". | ||
| spider4president (spider4president) New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
OOPS...make that google "Lynn Campbell" "Nature Cure". | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.110.133.6 |
No, I hadn't noticed. Thanks for posting the info about "Lynn Campbell Nature Cure". Yes, I'm very happy this website exists so folks can be alerted to Jefferson's characteristics, hopefully, before getting involved with him. BTW, were you a member of the Alive Polarity Fellowship? Do share if you're willing? | ||
| spider4president (spider4president) New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
Yes, I was a member of the Fellowship. The second anonymous posting at the top is mine. I'd be very willing to share - what did you have in mind? My main concern has been the children, and what the fellowship did to them - and I would be particularly pleased to share with them, especially because there was a lot of teaching about positive and negative behavior and corporal punishment to the point of physical abuse. From what I have seen and heard, many of the children did have major self-esteem issues as well as other problems growing up. But - I would be glad to discuss any other subject. I think this is a very good forum for recovering Fellowship members. We have had enough time to digest and integrate our experiences there and gained some understanding of what happened. Some people may still be suffering, and this is a good place to talk about that with people who have been through the same trauma. | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.110.133.6 |
Yes, I was a member of the fellowship as well. I have known a number of kids who grew up there and fortunately, most are doing quite well. One writes a sports column in a Southern California newspapter, another is applying for graduate school somewhere back east, and a third has just completed a Master's degree program. I can understand how many of the kids could have developed self-esteem issues. The fellowship was certainly NOT an environment where originality was encouraged, while to the contrary, sheepish behavior was. Staff class...how can you forget! Remember the B.S. stories that came out of our mouths when video taping for Jefferson and Co. when they were in Australia? What a completely wacked out nutsy scene! But, somehow we survived and hopefully grew from the experience. I certainly did. I grew from a naive youngster to streetwise adult. And, my critical thinking skills have certainly improved! BTW, I left Sant Mat when Gurinder Singh began employing "cult" tactics to control information several years ago. I guess I'm overly sensitive now, but one cult scene is enough for me! I sincerely hope your life has been rewarding and fulfilling since the fellowship ended. | ||
| spider4president (spider4president) New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
i'm glad to hear the children are doing better. Most of them are past adolescence now and have made good adjustments. My own life has been fulfilling and rewarding for many years now. I ageee with you about Staff class. They were totally scripted and non-spontaneous, like the time Chester demanded unflinching support of everything Jeff was doing - that did not come out of the moment, it was preparation done in the administration building. And how about the time Jeff imposed a "30 day probation" on several people, in which they had to get it together or get out. The more successful we became as a business, the more control over our lives. I knew Allyn was having an affair with Jeff before it came out. It was easy to see - he sent the men, Ryan and Stephen to look at ships, and everywhere Jeff lived, Allyn was there. Why else would they need 2 houses for such a small group? Meanwhile, while we were fed lies about the love child, Will was hammering Stephen even though he knew about the affair!! As far as Sant Mat, I left that as soon as I left Murrieta. I knew inside I was not a true believer, there were too many inconsistencies, and too much exclusiveness "I'm a satsangi, and you're not" type of thing. Eventually, I finally realized that a spiritual path is entirely personal - at least for me and a few others I have spoken to. Nobody needs a guru to open up spiritually and become more loving, more compassionate, more giving (disclaimer here: I'm not there yet, but still striving). To look inside does not require a system, although some people seem to thrive in systems. We were duped into thinking we were on a mission from God, but we weren't. However, I did need the trauma of the Fellowship to realize that as much as I had originally respected members of the Fellowship, they were not necessarily more advanced than anybody else - and that helped me clear myself of all the cults and cult thinking I had been subject to all of my adult life. | ||
| lynx (lynx) New member Username: lynx Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 58.104.31.194 |
Hello this is post 1 of 2, I live in Sydney and have recently woken up to the very shady Jeff Campbell... about a year ago I was tired and had had health complaints for a while that doctors couldn’t seem to diagnose so I decided to try alternative medicine... enter 'nature care clinic' they diagnosed me through iridology with the ‘bird flu’ and there the fear mongering started. They put me on an endless and EXPENSIVE course of amino acids and herbs taken orally, then proceeded to keep bumping up the dose and bumping up the dose until I started to get really sick, I was unemployed at the time and they were fleecing me about $400 a month to stay on the program… I couldn’t sleep I couldn’t eat, but they ensured me to keep going, bamboozling me with science and old fashioned remedy, I used to joke and call him the wizard of Oz because I never saw him in the flesh only dealt with the drones that he employed at his clinic that work 7 days a week 364 days of the year! The same 3 ladies! We called them step fords. I thought I was being hilarious… this cant be a cult! There are no cults in Sydney! Little did I know at the time that my cynical humour was on the money. Anyway I got really sick so sick I was nausea even at the sight of my ‘aminos’. So I stop taking them… and I felt instantly better. I confronted them with this, still believing in their practice I just thought they must have been off with my program. That’s when things got really weird. They scolded me for stopping the program. I was so taken aback! My naturopath is on the end of the phone ANGRY and ABUSING me! That is when I decided to research Jeff Campbell on the net... | ||
| lynx (lynx) New member Username: lynx Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 58.104.31.194 |
After much searching I found this sight, and it was like halleluiah I knew my intuition was right. Now I feel really angry that he not only pilfered thousands of dollars out of a vulnerable sick, unemployed person, he kept me sick for a year of my life, I couldn’t sleep, couldn’t work. At the end of the day it turns out the whole time my condition was related to a food allergy! What a jerk. Now I’m ticked off. And I want to help others by revealing his swindle, or at the very least let people make an informed decision before the trust him with their health, I know had I had known that he once was a DANGEROUS CULT LEADER I would have probably not intrusted him as my medical practitioner! My heart went out to you all as I read your stories in surreal horror. It fuels my enthusiasm to expose this bad seed and to stop further torture. So if any of you can furnish me with web sites or any documentation from his (past or present) that could aid me exposing this obnoxious charlatan I would be most grateful. My story goes a lot deeper than the above abbreviated recount, I have edited my story considerably on the grounds of keeping as much anonymity as I can until I expose this clown. As I imagine being the creep that he is I’m sure he’s monitoring this web site… I wondered why he took down his web site all of a sudden… but I’ll find him where ever he is. | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.110.133.6 |
Hey Lynx, Thanks for posting. And, yep, your intuition was right on! If you know others who have had run-ins with Campbell, please direct them to this site. I think it would lend valueable support and information to them in sorting through their experience. Keep the communications open! | ||
| ukunhappy (ukunhappy) New member Username: ukunhappy Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 88.108.19.159 |
I have had a very similar experience. After a year of taking ridiculously high ( and expensive ) doses, I decided it was doing me more harm than good, so halfed all my dosages and started to source some of the ingredients more locally to reduce the costs. I also stopped getting regular consultations because they were nonsensical, contradictory, and everything always came down to avian flu or herpes, and required taking even more of their formulas. This is not to say that I had had no positive reactions. I feel that taking the supplements that they discuss, but in more moderate doses, may well be very beneficial. After all, more than half of the ingredients are vitamins and minerals. That, however, is not the issue. Their reasoning became increasingly weird, and then overnight the attitude of the staff completely changed and I found out that they overcharged me by almost $400 on my credit card for an order. I have been contacting them since to get this repaid but ended up with aggresion from them and even the phone being put down. So far I have had no repayment of this, and have heard of three other customers based in the UK who have had the same experience. Their stories and mine mean that this is not an accident, but fraudulent trading, and I would warn anyone against dealing with these people. | ||
| spider4president (spider4president) New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
AHA! We finally cracked through to Australia! That was much more my purpose in chiming in here than getting support. I can tell you that there were several lawsuits with him named as a defendant, and all were settled out of court for various reasons (evidence destroyed, etc.). Also, there was a lot of press about the group while it was in Murrieta and after the group found out about Campbell and what he was doing. Much of it was "expose" in format in the Riverside Press. I would be willing to give you information on the lawsuits (I sent a copy of one of them to the newspaper in the California town he was practicing in after he left the Fellowship (Pismo Beach) and next thing I know he was gone to Florida). I also have copies of all the news articles, yellowed with age and I will share them with you if you decide to DO SOMETHING like consult an attorney - I am not willing to share them just for people's interest, it will be a lot of work for me. I need to figure out a way to get this to you - perhaps you could rent a post office box for a month and let me know the number - that would keep your anonymity and then if you want, we can exchange real addresses off line. As far as Jefferson reading this, I can almost guarantee he won't look at anything critical of him. It is rather distressing to see that he hasn't learned anything after hurting all these people, he's still a con artist and doesn't care about anyone but himself - traits of sociopathic behavior. Although many of us have let go emotionally, some even forgiven him, I personally would be willing to get involved in anything that would help you Australian victims and send him packing again. I do have friends that live part time in Sydney, so there is another way we can communicate offline. Let me know what you think - and in the meantime, I suggest you find others who have been his victims and perhaps form a support group to help each other. What do you think of all this??? Nicky, what say you about this development?? | ||
| spider4president (spider4president) New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
Another thought about the fraud issue (we actually considered having him charged with criminal fraud, but decided to go with lawsuits instead) - have you checked to see if he really has a bona fide Naturopath degree? All the formal education he had before was a B.A. from Sonoma State in California. | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.110.133.6 |
Hi Spider...Been extra busy these past few weeks. Will post soon! | ||
| freeto (freeto) New member Username: freeto Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 24.64.223.203 |
Evidently Campbell does business with a health product distributor, www.musahi.com who I emailed with the suggestion that they check out this site for an overview of Campbell's activities and how he may be misusing their products. Another avenue in getting the word out. | ||
| lynx (lynx) New member Username: lynx Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 58.105.51.12 |
insert major sigh of relief!!!! oh yes i want to persue this further, and thankyou spider4pres i will take you up on any information you can give me in regards to mr campbell, i will give you a friends business address in Sydney that you can forward this information to if thats Ok with you? let me know and i will post it after you reply. can you confirm with me one thing, was he ever charged? im wondering if he even has citizenship in Australia and how he could have pulled that off with a record? i also wonder if he even lives in australia, it will be difficult to persue him without knowing where he lives? any idea's? please anyone post me with any current or past encounters with this man so i can forward the cause... oh and one last thing, i must say that i am a little apprehensive in pushing this man due to the whole 'dangerous cult leader thing' as i no not what he is capable of, i just assume he is very experienced with his scams, how careful should i be in pushing him? | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.110.133.6 |
Lynx, I guess I'm not clear about your intentions. Are you wanting to get money from him that you believe you have coming? When you say you want to pursue him, I'm not sure what you mean by this. My advice is that whatever you do, stay within the boundaries of the law. Get professional advice if necessary. NB | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.110.133.6 |
Lynx, To my knowledge, Campbell was never charged in the States for anything relating to his association with the Alive Polarity Fellowship (APF). Cults are a dime a dozen and I'm not sure if any law exists that covers "mind control". So, I'm unclear as to what he could have been charged for. Regarding the APF in California, when word came out that Campbell was having an affair, he was kicked out of the organization he founded and was given start-up money to cover his basic living expenses. NB | ||
| nickyb_1953 (nickyb_1953) New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.110.133.6 |
Hi Spider, My intention for posting is to contribute information about Campbell's past. It is my hope that this site will give folks the information they need to avoid dealing with him for their own mental health and well-being. Personally, I have no interest in punishing Jeff or anything like that but only wish to make information available for people who are involved with him or may be considering it. And, I do enjoy making contact with folks like you, who share a common past ;) NB | ||
| freeto (freeto) New member Username: freeto Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 24.64.223.203 |
Campbells "Nature Cure Clinic" is featured at www.musashi.com under "news". I mispelled the link in prior message | ||
| spider4president (spider4president) New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
Lynx - I am also interested in what you intend to do with information I send you. I'm not concerned with whether Jeff is punished or not, that's not my call - I'm concerned more with you and others who have been financially and/or emotionally harmed by him. So I'd like to know if it's just curiosity or something else that motivates you to want the info. In any case, it will take me awhile to copy the articles once I agree to do it. As far as dangerous - Jeff is a danger to one's finances and self-esteem, but I've never known him to seek revenge on anyone or be physically violent. He does like getting in people's faces and yelling at them. In the group, we were always told how much we should appreciate him and how selfless he is - which is a bunch of crap - and he took full advantage of that in manipulating people and getting dominance over them. He has admitted that he has a problem with needing to control people - and that was nearly 20 years ago. Now he probably has more need to control, because he needs money in order to support his family. We - the Alive Polarity Fellowship - supported him with our free labor mostly 7 days a week, and there was a lot of misuse of funds by Jeff, but to my knowledge nothing criminal. Actual criminal charges were never filed here as far as I know - like I said, people sought remedy through the lawsuits, and even though all the lawsuits were settled, the Fellowship had to pay, not Jeff. He basically got away with a lot of very devious machinations with no consequences. It sounds to me like he hasn't learned anything, and all these years has been running the same kind of con. He seems to lack guilt, which is another sign of sociopathic traits. Do you happen to know the full names of any of the people working at his "clinic"? I'd be interested to see if any are former members of our group (other than Lynn, the wife he stole from one of the other members). The newspaper that ran the expose was the Riverside Press-Enterprise in Riverside, Califonia - and if you contact them they may have the articles in some form you could get from them. | ||
| santacruzan (santacruzan) New member Username: santacruzan Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 68.8.219.85 |
Hi, Years ago, I lost a friend to AP. In true cult form, she had cut-off all past associations and I never heard from her since. As I see there are many folks here from that period, I wonder if anyone might know what became of her. Her name was Shelby and she was married to Kenneth Sanford. | ||
| spider4president (spider4president) New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
Shelby has two children with Kenneth, who is now a physician. They are one of the few couples whose marriage was strong enough to withstand the forces working in the Fellowship, and last I heard they were still together and doing fine. | ||
| kofca (kofca) New member Username: kofca Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 64.149.107.199 |
I have my copy of the lawsuit papers from 1987/88. It is a rather large stack of horrible truths. I want the three, Jeff, Allyn and Diane processed by the legal system. | ||
| lynx (lynx) New member Username: lynx Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 58.104.45.145 |
Hello, Thankyou all for responding, I am currently seeking legal advice as to how I can proceed with this further. I am also looking into what I can do on my behalf to bring awareness to as many people and expose him. As I am a novice at this and am not sure what I am dealing with it is a slow process. I am investigating options, and any suggestions from those that have dealt with him, what procedures they went through or options they think may work would be greatly appreciated. I can assure you all that everything I do will be in the bounds of the law, and motivated from a sense of justice and a genuine love of humanity, and a little bit of championing the underdog. He is a twisted individual to say the least, praying on the sick and naïve the way he does. I am glad I found you all and look forward to banding together to stop further suffering. Perhaps we could talk via email about the possibility of exchanging any information you all may have on Jeff and his drones? I don’t feel that secure posting my intentions on this forum in case he gets any wind of it and tries to thwart my actions. So if any of you are interested in helping me, please email me at therabbitandthefox@hotmail.com Oh and Dianne is definitely still one of his drones. He also has a gate keeper employed by the name of Lorraine, she is from New Zealand judging by her accent, any information on her would also be appreciated, along with where Jeff himself may be actually residing. Legally I cant do a whole lot if I cant find him literally. And if he is not living in Australia it could make things difficult. Thanks again. | ||
| holisto New member Username: holisto Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 210.10.152.66 |
I am sitting here shaking and in shock while reading these horrid stories about Jefferson Campbell.Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined that he had such a dubious past. To hear that he was a former cult leader makes my skin crawl. However I have been following his program of amino acids, vitamins and minerals for several years now..and the difference it has made to my health has been astounding.I was dogged by many health complaints for years and conventional medicine could not help me. I began to explore the alternative therapy route and actually felt quite fortunate when I met Jefferson. He understood how I felt and explained all my symptoms.. Yes the program is expensive but IMO it is money well spent.I feel much happier and healthier now.I feel well all the time.I know several other people who are huge advocates of this program too.I would also like to point out that over the years I have had independent sources back up what Jefferson has said about my improving health..Other iridologists and naturopaths have reinforced what Jefferson has said to me regarding my health. I sympathise greatly with all of you who suffered at the hands of Jefferson Campbell many years ago..he really sounded like a very domineering manipulative and nasty individual.Not the Jefferson that I know now...or have I just been fooled/duped?? I feel I am now faced with a moral dilema..Do I continue to follow this program or abandon it altogether due to the disturbing discovery of his tainted past.....?? I fully believe in his program but do I believe Jeff is a passionate caring man? No not anymore..I am very confused..There are hundreds of people all over the world on this program..Have thousands of people been duped?? I have no idea what to do now..The bottomline for me is The Program Works...sorry to hear that you had no relief from the program Lynxx...I have met countless people out in his clinic all raving about the program and how it has helped them..They are out the door with business... I would be interested to hear from other people on the program who have heard of his disturbing past..What did you do? Are you still on the program...or did you confront them It all makes sense now about the website..I could never understand why he took it offline... Just for the record Diane no longer works in the clinic she left about eight months ago.. | ||
| holisto New member Username: holisto Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 61.68.76.33 |
Freeto Did you hear anything back from Musahsi? Are they going to continue manufacturing his products? | ||
| healthnut New member Username: healthnut Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 211.30.57.64 |
I have been on jeff's program for 9 months now and have felt the benefits in many ways. My family and some friends are also on the program and all have only positive things to say about it. I understand that you all have problems with jeff and lynn and the cult, however the program itself seems to work wonders. When you were in the cult were you all taking amino acids? Was Lorraine in the cult? | ||
| lynx New member Username: lynx Post Number: 5 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 220.238.79.168 |
For the record I did not mean to imply that I the program had no positive effect, I definitely was relieved of symptoms I was incurring. I put this down to the aminos and the essential nature of them in regards to our bodies. That I have never doubted. My issues were firstly about being misdiagnosed with the Avian Flu, when I was actually gluten intolerant, and the money that was being deducted from my account without my authorisation when I discontinued the program. The reception I got from Lorraine when I discontinued was hostile and controlling. I am not alone in this treatment apparently, it seems that along with the scores people around the world he is treating and helping there are also scores that have been misdiagnosed and ripped off. Some including myself are still owed money. My other issues include: 1. He is NOT a registered naturopath in Australia and I have seen no evidence of where he studied if at all. 2. The program is a LIFE long journey, reliant on him and his formulas. You do the math. 3. Repeated mythical stories of cure coupled with science bamboozle. 4. His past is dubious and he has clearly conned and hurt many people and to be honest I don’t feel that great about financially supporting a person that has caused so much anguish to others. However I do understand the despair that is felt when you have undiagnosed health complaints and you would do, pay anything for relief. That’s what brought me to Jeff in the first place. But I think people should be able to make an informed decision on their health practitioners before they place trust, money and most importantly their bodies in someones hands. I tried to talk to Jeff and Lorraine about my concerns regarding his past, my health and the unauthorised withdrawals and they simply would not go there. Turned on a dime. So if you believe in you mind body and spirit this is a due cause then by all means continue, and if you want to test this mans sincerity ask him a few curly questions about his past, his qualifications or dissatisfied customers. That ought to put you straight. Good Luck with it all either way. | ||
| lynx New member Username: lynx Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 220.238.79.168 |
Oh and you got to admit that whole set up in the clinic with 2 impossibly serene spacey ladies and 1 naturopath that work 364 days a year from sun up to sun set servicing “thousands” of clients was a little unnerving and smacked of cult in itself. | ||
| cyrille_lougnon New member Username: cyrille_lougnon Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 81.248.196.106 |
Hello, I have been reading this message board for quite some time now, and I thought it was time for me to speak. I have been following jeff program for over 4 years, and could not say anything negative about it. When I first joined the program, I was very ill and no doctor could do anything to help me. It took a little while to get the amino acid and vitamins dosage right, but overall, my health improved gradually; I was able to get back to work, change my life drastically, and so on. If it wasn't for jeff program, today I would be dead for sure. This program is quite expensive, but this is the price we have to pay in order to improve ourselves, build antibodies to annihilate all those harmful chemicals we pollute the environment with; and it is a question of priority. You want to have an expensive home, or good health? About jeff's past, honestly it doesn't intrest me. Everybody is doing mistakes on a daily basis. Noone is all good or all bad, and we all try to be happy people. Lynx I am sorry that you feel other way, but blaming jeff for what went wrong in your life is not fair. The problem is today we become all too suspiscious of everybody and just don't trust anyone, and that is because we have lost roots with ourselves. Some people have good intentions, should they work for free? | ||
| lynx New member Username: lynx Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 58.104.104.81 |
Dear Cyrille, Its great that you have had positive experience with Jeff and that your life has improved, but why do you feel the need to discount other people’s not so positive experiences, I thought this site was about support after encounters with dubious characters not condemnation for speaking your truth. What it is in my posts that makes you think something has gone wrong in my life and I subsequently blame Jeff? In my last post it was declared that I had experienced some positive results from his program and goes on to say that the constructive effect of the aminos was never doubted. I had a health issue that he misdiagnosed and money was deducted from my account illegally, hardly life threatening but a serious matter none the less. Others from around the globe have been emailing me with similar stories and my banking institution had no hesitation in confirming my mistrust. You say the problem today is about mistrust and that you don’t care about his past. Would you have gone ahead with the program had you have know about his cult dealings and people’s warnings? I have been known to naively trust people, especially alternative health practitioners, as I had never had a regretful experience. Jeff has tested that faith, and that is a good thing. I learnt some very valuable life lessons from this man the most important being, anyone touting their wares as an answer to all life’s problems weather they be health related, environmental or otherwise is to be both appreciated and cross-examined. The only one you can rely on completely is yourself and we all get through life the best way we can. Jeff included. You’ve had a good quality experience with Jeff others have had upsetting and inappropriate experiences. I only ever got involved in this forum because I thought I had a moral obligation to tell others of my experience, so that future users or people in similar circumstances could make an informed decision before getting involved with Jeff. As for people working for free, you miss my point. I suspect those women working the 70 odd hours a week in the clinic with all the best of intentions were doing it for a nominal fee, and I wonder why they all have disappeared over the last 6 months? I don’t understand your need to defend this mans actions when you have had a blessed experience. You should be so lucky. I hope your association with Jeff and his program stays agreeable, as I wouldn’t wish mine on anyone. | ||
| cyrille_lougnon New member Username: cyrille_lougnon Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 81.248.238.215 |
Hi lynx, Thanks for your long reply. What I feel is that Jeff program can do a lot of good to some people who get very little help from the so called "modern medecine", and i think that "warning people against him" could prevent them from getting the help they need. The intention of people writing on this forum are certainly genuine, and so are mine. The fact is that LORRAINE who is the one in charge is dealing with hundreds of patients on a weekly basis. I live overseas and have her over the phone every two weeks... her workload is enormous, but she loves what she does, and don't see it as work, but more like a mission to help as many people as possible. So sometimes a mistake can be done, but that's only human At this stage, Jeff's intention are very good. He's a very passionate and caring man. He is not in the business to make money, he is just a man who has realised that helping others, is the best thing you can do to help yourself. Once I have asked Musashi, the company he is dealing with, to send me their catalog, and I can assure you that they sell their vitamins & minerals supplement in bulk per kg the same price as Nature cure Clinic does. Some of the extra items they sell, like the heating pad for the castor oil is sold at shops price. So their margins are very slim, and they spend an enormous amount of money on overseas call to support their patients. Myself, I can only be reach on a mobile in the middle of the indian ocean... Honestly, if everybody in this polluted world could benefit from this wonderful program, we wouldn' see so many tears on television. By writing this, all I'm expressing is my genuine experience with jeff, his wife Lyn and Lorraine. I am fortunate to now work and earn a decent income, and have made myself a promise, which is in a near future to offer this program to some people sick with debilitating symptoms... Wishing you all to be well | ||
| gladiator New member Username: gladiator Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 61.69.239.25 |
Very well written Cyrille.. I too have been on the program for many years and it has quite simply changed my life...I feel incredible all the time and have been relieved of my many health complaints..I was initially quite upset when I read of Jeffs disturbing past..but then I thought what the hell ..I like him and I would not be without my aminos..so like you his somewhat dubious past doesn't really interest me..Afterall it was twenty years ago.. Lynx I am sorry to hear of your negative experience..however I do believe you are part of a minority...Thousands of people around the world are on the program so all in all the results are great. I know several people on the program and they are all huge advocates of it... At the end of the day Jeff is human and just because he couldn't really help you doesn't mean he cannot help others..The impression you are creating is that..he conned you from the outset and this was not the case...Jeff genuinely wants to help everyone who walks through the door..But you are almost suggesting that he misdiagnosed you almost on purpose if that makes sense..I am sure when he altered your program it was in a genuine attempt to help you..yet you seem to think it was a further attempt to swindle more money from you??? I really do not think this was the case.. He has never claimed to have a cure for all..In fact his bottles say we do not treat or cure any disease.. Regarding money from your account..well yes that is totally unacceptable..Why don't you just tell your bank that you did not authorise the payment and get them on to it..I have done this before in different situtaions. I just get infuriated by the way alternative therapists constantly get bad press..Look at the zillion doctors out there who misdiagnose thousands of people every year yet PEOPLE NEVER LOOSE FAITH IN DOCTORS.... I do believe Jeff Lyn and Lorraine are very passionate about what they do and love helping others..however if I was to highlight one fault I think they at times can be a bit obsessed by the whole " amino thing"...When you decided to discontinue using the program Lynx you should not have been yelled at. They should have treated you with respect and wished you well. Its as if they almost take offence when people decide not to continue with the program. I do know of one person who stopped using it for financial reasons and when he explained this the phone was hung up on him. This is totally unacceptable. I think they need a little bit of balance and need to understand that it is not for everyone and not everyone has the financial means to be on it forever..If I ever do decide to stop using the program I would expect to be treated with respect. I think once you get your money refunded you should let this one go lynx because as cyrille said you could be stopping ppl from getting the help they need.. Wishing you well | ||
| nickyb_1953 New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.67.38.47 |
People have a right to know Jeff's past if they are dealing with him today. Just because he has a product that helps people (and I am happy that it does) does not detract from the possible dangers of dealing with him directly. He has a history of being the ultimate control freak. And, his workers have been known to hang up on customers that cancel his program; hum..go figure!? Gladiator, the fact that his bottles say that "we don't treat or cure any disease", is not a statement of humilty or open mindedness but one to protect a company against false claims and possible infraction of the law. | ||
| spider4president New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
As one of the people who trusted Jeff for many years, my sense of what is happening to you folks who praise him is that you are like someone who has jumped off the Empire State Building and someone at the 35th floor asks them if they are OK and they say "fine so far" then hit the ground and get splatted. For those of us in the Fellowship/cult, if you had asked us at any time before the final year if Jeff was helping us, we would have sworn on penalty of sacrificing our first child that he was sincere and we were grateful for the help. In retrospect, the signs were all there, but because so much of what he practices is legitimate and helpful, we looked the other way at the signs - it took a major, major cataclysm of events for us to see what a selfish, egomaniacal con man he was - even to the point of dipping his wick into another man's wife (Lynn)and then denying it was his baby and doing everything he could to destroy the husband's personality. You folks just do not get the seriousness of what he did and what kind of person he really is. The fact that he is practicing as a Naturopath, without credentials is enough to show me that the evil in people can hideout, but for a person like Jeff, it will always be looking for victims. Wishing you well, and hoping you all continue to have a good experience - but please, try to be aware!! | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1589 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Like they say "it is not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the bottom" gatordave www.crimebustersnow.com | ||
| gladiator New member Username: gladiator Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 210.10.164.227 |
Hello Spider.... I have no doubt that Jeff more than likely is everything you have said....Manipulative , selfish , controlling despite being passionate about peoples health..I genuinely feel for and have sympathy for everyone who suffered as a direct result of living under his leadership while in the Fellowship....I must emphasize that I do not doubt your sincerity..I believe everything you have written about Jeff.. But I think it is important to point out the difference between you and I..I am not in a cult nor do I have contact with Jeff on a daily basis..In fact I have never even met him...I simply take his products and my health has improved ten fold...END OF.... He has no influence over my daily actions thoughts etc.. I lead a normal regular life....He is someone I would have contact with at most once or twice a year when I have the odd query regarding my program....and with that the contact is via phone!! He cannot and will not brainwash or hurt me..If I for some reason decide not to continue using his program then so be it..that will be the end of my dealings with him and the clinic..I will simply stop buying the products...I am not tied to any contract or anything.. I will be unscathed.... Your situation appears to have been very different when you lived in the fellowship..you simply lived under his control every day.... You must realize that no one on Jeff's programme has ever met him...Its all done via phone or sometimes I believe via video conferencing..All contact is minimal...So I do appreciate your warnings but as I said he cannot and will not harm ME in any way... Despite his dubious past I am continuing with his program for the time being as it has provided me with the answers conventional medicine could not... Hope you are well... | ||
| spider4president New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
I certainly agree - if it works for you and you are clear what type of person you are dealing with, I would make the same choice. I find it a bit strange that you have a practitioner helping you that you never met, but in this case I think it's probably to your advantage. It seems to me that the exposure this web site has provided gives people a clearer choice - and if it is in their interest to keep going, that sounds fine. | ||
| gladiator New member Username: gladiator Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 220.245.178.139 |
I totally agree with you..It is hard to believe that someone whom you have never met could treat you. However that is the case for all of Jeff's overseas clients..On hearing of his program generally through word of mouth people ring the clinic directly and speak wit Lorraine..They take a complete case history over the phone. They also request that you send a live blood analysis or iris shot. She then discusses your case with Jeff who sets the program. They liase regularily with the clients via phone then.. Only people who live in Sydney can visit the clinic, even they do not meet him directly face to face however they can have video conferencing sessions with him. He is based in Queensland I think... Wishing you good health | ||
| lynx New member Username: lynx Post Number: 8 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 58.105.214.41 |
Dear gladiator, thankyou for acknowledging both sides of this coin as Lorraine has a very nasty side that I unfortunately had to witness when I discontinued the program. Jeff in his defence handled the situation without abuse but he was very scary and controlling. I guess now would be the time to divulge why this is so important to me. When I was on the program I fell pregnant and not long after, the aminos, that up until that point had been going ok, except for a few side effects, like racing thoughts, and interrupted sleep, began to make me very ill, (beyond morning sickness as I only became ill when I took my aminos and the kind of ill was extended beyond nausea). Both Jeff and Lorraine INSISTED that I keep on the program and that I should be taking more drinks. I was up to 8 a day and it was traumatic getting them down. I consulted my body and my intuition both were demanding me to stop taking the aminos. I did and all symptoms stopped immediately, including the ones I had been suffering prior to the pregnancy. When I had not placed an order for a while Lorraine called as she does, to check in on my progress, when I told her that I had to stop taking the aminos she EXPOLDED! And a barrage of abuse, with harsh personal insults flooded down the phone. I was so shocked and upset by her sudden change. This is my naturopath! And she is insulting me and yelling at me! I tried to tell her that I was still interested in Jeff’s program but felt confused because I was scared it was jepardising my pregnancy. She told me in no uncertain terms that I was off the program as I was clearing doubting it, and perhaps couldnt afford it, when I asked to speak with Jeff she refused. Then I notice the money that was being taken from my accounts. My banks have without hesitation reimbursed my missing funds that were within the last 90 days which was great and yes I agree I will have to let go of anything before that. Jeff did contact me a month later and I briefly was talked into taking the aminos again. Within a few days the symptoms came back and I stopped. Just because his products are “nature based” doesn’t make them any less harmful, and that was I risk I was unwilling to take within a pregnancy if you know what I mean. I do not really think that I have the power to stop people seeking help from Jeff and this was never my intention. I think that some have perhaps misconstrued my passionate messages. I just want a balanced picture of Jeff to be available so people can make informed decisions. The aminos in Jeff’s program are pretty standard for health as I have discovered through Jeff, I have now scaled down and take them from time to time when needed at a fraction of the cost as they are available outside Nature Cure. Now I have two questions for you. The 1st is what are your thoughts on Jeff NOT being a qualified, registered naturopath and treating the public and the 2nd is what are your thoughts on his service only being available to the affluent? sincerly lynx | ||
| cyrille_lougnon New member Username: cyrille_lougnon Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 80.8.175.254 |
Lynx, To answer your questions. For me the fact that he is not registered is not very important. He knows more the human body than anybody else. Have you taken the time to listen to the CDS he probably gave you. All the answers to your questions are in there. Second, it is not Jeff that manufactures the aminoacid, so he is not responsible of its prices. The more people will be buying amino acid, the more their prices will come down... What jeff does is giving you the understanding of what his program is going, so that you don't swallow potions unconsciously. Lorraine was angry with you, because she felt you might jepardise your pregnancy by stopping the program. The problem with us human is that we listen too much to our ego, and that we become so suspicious that we only see the bad in others. As for the image of the fall from the Empire State Builiding, or the comparaison between jeff and Hitler, I understand why some people prefer to stay anonymous, the shame might actually kill them... | ||
| nickyb_1953 New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.67.28.162 |
Cyrille, I hate to say this but you sound completely duped! You state that Jeff knows more about the human body than anybody else. How can that thought even cross your mind? That statement is complete nonsense. But, hey, it's not your fault. Jeff's charisma can be enticing. He not only duped me, but I saw him convince many many people that he was some sort of spiritual health avatar with all the answers. Now, regarding Lorraine and your statement about her. How on earth do you know that she was concerned about Lynx's pregnancy? Maybe she was upset with the thought of losing a valueable customer. Her style toward Lynx had a familiar tone to what folks in Alive Polarity experienced under Jeff's control. You say that we listen too much to our egos..perfect cult talk. How about rationality, how about intuition, and gut feelings..should we throw those away too and bow at Jeff's feet? You seem like a sincere person and I hope that Jeff's program is helping you. But, please please don't put the guy on a pedestal. And, don't be taken in by his aura of knowledge. Use the discernment God gave you! Nickyb | ||
| cyrille_lougnon New member Username: cyrille_lougnon Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 81.248.202.229 |
Hello nicky, I presume, that's your name. I have never felt the need to be in any cult of any sort, unlike you and others. What i mean is that you cannot be in a cult unless you have decided to. That is something that cannot be forced upon you. You went into it because you lacked self confidence at that time, and needed someone to tell you what to do, what to think, what movie to watch and so on, so that you didn't have to find the answers by yourself. And then one day, you have finally realised that the answers come from the inside of yourself, how wonderful. I never needed to go throw that, to realise it. Blaming others for our lack of self esteem, is nonsense. I used to live in Sydney, that's where I met Jeff when I was really ill. At times I have doubted his program, but my inner self told me to keep going, and in the end I was right to have trusted nature and its ability to balance the body. And then, I write again what I said about jeff knowing more about the body than anybody else. He has the top immune doctor in the US asking him for advice, and he had to have all his formulas patented to protect them from biotechnology lobbies I wrote that thing about lorraine, because she is a very generous person. If you think otherwise, that is just because you are not trustworthy yourself. We always tend to accuse others of our own ailments. | ||
| nickyb_1953 New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.67.28.162 |
Hi Cyrille, So, Jeff has the top immune-system doctor in the US asking him for advice. OK...and how do you know this? BTW, never make statements about my reasons for joining the Alive Polarity Fellowship. You have no clue! End of story!! You obviously have no understanding of cults either. No one ever joins an organization with the thought, "hey, I think I'll join this cult." It's something one realizes the organization has become over time. Eventually, the integrity of the organization suffers and bang...the bubble bursts! IMO, a good percentage of the folks that entered the Alive Polarity Fellowship probably did so out of a desire to serve others, learn about natural health, and grow as spiritual beings. And, I believe that Jeff's intentions were noble at the beginning. And, then again, I really don't know. But, my tendency is to think that they were. But, too much power centered around one person eventually spells disaster for an organization. And, this is what happened to the Alive Polarity Fellowwship. People at some point "wake up" from the dream and stive to reclaim their God-given personal power. Now, getting back to Lorraine. You said that if I don't think that she is a generous person, then I'm not trustworthy myself. What kind of drivel is that? First off, I don't know Lorraine. So, I can't comment on her. But, if Lynx is accurate about Lorraine's response to her when she decided to withdraw from the program, then I would be hesitant about dealing with her in the future. Even if Lorraine had the best intentions in mind (which we don't really know), it gives her no right to rip into Lynx. Now, this opinion is based on Lynx's testimony, which may or may not be true. As you probably know, our emotions can interpret our "realities" and distort "actualities" quite well. | ||
| cyrille_lougnon New member Username: cyrille_lougnon Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 80.8.176.30 |
Hi nicky, Thanks for giving more explanation about your perception of why the Alive Polarity Fellowship went offboard even though at the begining everybody's intentions were probably good. Honestly, I am not seeking to hurt you in any way, and have no rights to judge you. I maintain what I have said about the top immune doctor in america, because one of his patient who has multiple sclerosis was treated by jeff, and her progress was so outstanding that this doctor contacted jeff to help his other patients, and in the end the doctor himself joined it. When I was in Sydney I went to see a few alternative health practitionners, and there were a lot of charlatans beleive me! From my own experience jeff is not a charlatan. Once I asked him about spirituality and what he thought about meditation, his answer was that he would not allow himself to give any spiritual orientation, and that I would have to figure it out by myself. | ||
| nickyb_1953 New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.67.28.162 |
Hi Cyrille, Thanks for your understanding. I am happy to hear that someone with MS has received benefits from Jeff's program. There is no question to me that the programs offered through APF benefited a lot of people, including myself. There was a process called "awareness" counseling, a sort of gestalt therapy process that could provide enormous insight for resolving inner conflicts with self and others. I saw some powerful breakthroughs for people in sessions Jeff and others facilitated. But, these were primariy in introductory workshops and before a person had committed their life to APF. Unfortunately, in the fellowship this wonderful process was converted to a manipulative tool to get folks to conform to APF wishes. Very sad...this messing with peoples' minds. The abrupt breakup of the fellowship, especially under the conditions it occurred, was very painful for many of us. We were a large extended family with children who had played together from the time they knew how to walk. When the thing broke apart upon word of Jeff's affair, it was like a huge divorce within one big family. So many folks felt sad and betrayed by Jefferson. It got emotional and it got nasty too. Fortunately, time heals. I think Jeff's advice to you regarding meditation was good. Sounds like he may have learned something from the past. Who knows? Lastly, the only advice I would give Jeff to clear his past would be to make a sincere apology to each and every staff member, but only if he felt the pull to do so from within. I forgive Jeff and I forgive myself for the hurt I have caused others (including myself) in my life. | ||
| gladiator New member Username: gladiator Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 220.245.178.134 |
Beautifully written nicky.. Who knows maybe Jeff has learned a thing or two.. To be honest Lorrraine is the problem at the clinic....Loosing control with customers....She will be the cause of the clinics demise if she keeps it up.. Lynx will respond to u soon | ||
| cyrille_lougnon New member Username: cyrille_lougnon Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 81.248.235.204 |
I agree with gladiator about LORRAINE, I have witnessed her loosing control with customers and once or twice with me, but she always apologised afterwards. I am not sure why, but I feel that she gets personally upset when someone wants to leave the program, maybe it is like loosing a close parent for her. She puts so much energy with helping others. from 8 O clock in the morning till 11 or 12 at night 364 days of the year. She has to crack sometimes. She told me once over the phone that she feels people are not very appreciative Over the years she's gaining in confidence, and she gets less emotional. She has to learn to let go sometimes and that you can't force people to take care of themselves. | ||
| nickyb_1953 New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 22 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.67.28.162 |
You know the thing with Lorraine working endlessly sounds similar to what we went through in the fellowship. It was not uncommon for us to work weeks at a time without a break. You know, given that Jeff and Co. are running a health clinic..overwork is in direct opposition to what their promoting and extremely unhealthy. Cyrille, you may be right. Maybe Lorraine's bouts with loosing control of her emotions is a symptom of her need for more rest and personal time. | ||
| spider4president New member Username: spider4president Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.166.203.94 |
Looks like maybe - and this is pure speculation - Lorraine is somewhat under Jeff's spell and really believes he is a spiritual heavyweight with almost mystical insight, just like we did. She may take it personally when someone resists the treatment - as if they are rejecting her and her dedicated work. Sounds like she could use compassion and obviously, time off - Jeff used to say he wanted us working so hard we would fall into bed exhausted every night - and that way none of the guys would have time to fight with their wives! Although it is unrelated to this, Jeff used to say wives should be the sexual whores for their husbands and do whatever they want whenever they want however they want - his reasoning was, that way, people wouldn't stray. That's why it was so ironic that he turned out to be a secretive, lying serial philanderer! | ||
| nickyb_1953 New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 23 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.67.28.162 |
You know, Spider I wondered that too about Lorraine given the excessive work hours, stress, and reactionary mode she seems to operate under. If Jeff is anything like we knew him to be in the fellowship, her feelings and inner guidance would be completely shut down, making her an emotional basket case. Her sense of identity would be tied around Jeff's ego..well, you get my drift!! You know, Diane Benton split from Jeff and Co. Now, it would quite insightful to hear her story if she has awakened yet from her dream. | ||
| gladiator New member Username: gladiator Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 210.10.163.170 |
You know, given that Jeff and Co. are running a health clinic..overwork is in direct opposition to what their promoting and extremely unhealthy. Hey Nickyb...what you said above is spot on..She is not a good advertisement for his program at all..I reckon she is very close to burnout. She has no life outside of the clinic. Whats this about appreciation Cyrille..The program has worked wonders for me and I do feel a million dollars but I do pay good money for the products..I don't see why I should also have to go in on bended knees thanking Lorraine..She should be thanking me for having faith in their products.. | ||
| make7000 Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 251 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
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| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1624 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Normally I avoid certain threads but this dangerous possessed idiot "Make 7000" is an example of the characters in Pyramid schemes disguised as MLM and needs to be addressed so readers can observe and understand these people. As I have made perfectly clear “Make 7000", I could have had more money than I ever needed by joining you crooks. But, a moral degenerate like you who steals from friend and family to enrich himself and make criminals wealthy simply could not begin to fathom that. As I wrote on the other thread .....I see the anonymous idiot and big mouth scam artist who already took family and friends in the International Affinity Fraud, TTI, and brags about it, the fraud known as Treasure Traders International, closed down in England as a fraud, the crook, Peter Kippax jailed and the assets seized, is back again with his shouting headlines. Notice he is trying" to bring the public’s attention to his opinion that "Dave Thornton IS trying" to scam the public" notwithstanding the Vice President of his scam promised me 100's of thousands to recruit for the TTI fraud. I was even offered several free spots on the "pyramid boards", and only a few days ago I was approached by a TTI recruiter with an offer to join her group. They know I would be a valuable asset with them, rather then against them. This anonymous coward and moral reject looks more and more ridiculous the more he posts. BTW you "brained-washed" nut-job your cult leader Kippax (record assault, weapons and drugs) was served with more papers at his meeting just the other night and his offices raided by the Sheriff of Mississauga the morning of April 21, 2006. And the Toronto Dominion Bank officials get up in arms if you even mention anything about his pyramid and his banking history of laundered money there. Ask them! I did! Get your head out of the Kool Aid and smell the coffee brain-dead nut-job! dave c{Stop posting repetitive URL's please. URL Remover Robot;32685:6123,emp. we return your calls toll free in North American and 22 countries.... And don't let anyone rip you off with false promises. Not even CBN. But, remember when you donate to CrimeBusterNow you receive no promises of monetary gain or monetary benefit, only information of scammers and an opportunity to bring them down and maybe recover your money. You have the opportunity to see "up front" what you're getting for your buck. We only promise to work tirelessly to do what we can to get your money returned to you, your friends and family and stop this crook Kippax and his clones world-wide. That's it! This crook Kippax and his "brain-washed" disciples took you for thousands, as did the bragging "Made 7000" sicko. CBN is only looking for 10 bucks or whatever, to pursue these crooks on your behalf. d. CBN} (Message edited by admin on May 07, 2006) | ||
| nickyb_1953 New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 24 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.67.28.162 |
Gatordave, Somehow this group on Jefferson Campbell got placed under a series of groups called cultbusters. Do you know how it can be restored to the main topics under corporations? Thanks | ||
| gatordave Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1628 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I duno. I believe only moderators can move the topics to different headings. perhaps you coulld email them. dave | ||
| beentheretoo New member Username: beentheretoo Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 64.59.144.26 |
Hello It is NEw Year's day and I had just looked up a few former APF members on the net wehn I came upon this site. I was reading with interest about some of your experiences. I too was intermittently involved since 1980 on Orcas and in Murietta and moved full time with my two children to Murietta in 1985 only to hit upon the great dissolve in 1987. Since I didn't have much to do with Jefferson, except for a few workshops he headed, I never understood the reverence people had for the man. I felt pretty lucky the day the •••• hit the fan or the day someone pointed it out to me. To me living in the fellowship was a beautiful thing. I wasn't there to do anything other than what I was doing. Living in fellowship with likeminded people for a common goal. Bringing some of the tools and benefits of our program to the people. I had definetly benefited from these programs myself and was willing to make it my life work to be part of this group. I understand that there had been weired stuff going on for some of the members and I never understood the strange hirachy in the different areas. I really didn't care. I guess it depends on what you want from the situation. I was not interested to climb any ladder and therfor didn't subject myself to any games. I did, however have a problem with the children's program. I had a confrontation with one of the upper echelon teachers there because my oldest daughter was so unhappy and felt so isolated in that program. My youngest daughter was being cared for by Semma who showed her always kindness and care. Luckily the fellowship hired Madame Caspari and the whole school ceized to be run by Alive staff. We were so impressed with the program that I have been heavily involved with Montessori Education, lobbying here the school boards to have public Montessori elementary and high schools in our city. My then youngest daughter is now a Montessoir teacher. My oldest, although she is working now as a veternary assistant is often unable to work because she suffers from agarophobia intermittenlty, on prescriprion medicine for this, I believe this to be a remnant of her stay at APF. | ||
| beentheretoo New member Username: beentheretoo Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 64.59.144.26 |
Continued from previous I was trying to look up some of the fellowship members because I am looking into creating an intentional community here. Now wondering if that is possible without messing things up royally like at Murietta . We had all the best intentions. If you have any contact info that you can supply, I would appreciate it. You could get permission from the other first, let me know and I will get you my contact info. Thanks, | ||
| fellow_traveller New member Username: fellow_traveller Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 211.30.47.222 |
Does anyone know how to get hold of Jeff and Lynn Campbell's aminos? Regardless of their past their formulas have just about saved my daughter's life and now the Campbells have disappeared so have their aminos and now her health is once again in danger. The aminos were about the only thing we could find that helped her. Please help if you have any idea how to locate them Thanks! | ||
| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 105 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
Try the internet. | ||
| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 145 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
Did it work | ||
| getagrip Advanced Member Username: getagrip Post Number: 549 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 72.77.188.86 |
yes the internet works! Al gore was right all along. | ||
| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 152 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
I had a good feeling all along about him. | ||
| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 153 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
hello | ||
| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 154 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
hello! | ||
| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 155 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
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| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 156 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
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| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 157 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
is this thing on? | ||
| fullofquestions Intermediate Member Username: fullofquestions Post Number: 158 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.57.32.25 |
thank you thank you, we'll be here all week | ||
| newinfo New member Username: newinfo Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 128.104.50.73 |
Jeff and Lynn Campbell and Lorraine are all in New Zealand now. They can be reached at 1-800-957-7081 and their company is now called Healthy Living Lifestyle Products. Also, for anyone who is interested I do have a lot of amino formulas that are not expired and unopened because I stopped taking them (right after placing a large order)and Lorraine didn't let me return them. I was happy with what the amino formulas did for my health- I simply could not afford the $1,000/ month they were costing me. I am willing to sell them at half price and plan to put them on e-bay soon. Anyone interested can also e-mail me at ralehnen@hotmail.com for more information. Thanks to everyone who shared so openly your your experiences with Jeff. I am so sorry for what everyone has gone through on all levels. I am also happy to hear some people have had positive experiences, as I would say mine have been, except for having my credit card charged in error and acquiring massive amounts of debt to stay on the program for over 3 years. | ||
| ttbird New member Username: ttbird Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 70.162.13.163 |
Part I of 3 parts: To those who suffered from the apparent obsessions, delusions and controlling influences of Jefferson Campbell, please, please forgive me when I say as I read the string of messages it leaves me laughing and intrigued. Not, by any means, laughing at your suffering but laughing at how my experience was so completely different. I haven’t spoken of my times with the Institute for many years. So I relish the though of conveying my experience since a number of you have indicated interest in what others have gone through. Forgive my being so verbose. It’s a long story. I am a US citizen who was living in Vancouver, BC in the mid 70’s. I just started what was their first natural food co-op and it wasn’t easy since a good friend owned and operated the largest natural food store in B.C. I was an initiate of spiritual path very much like Jefferson’s but with a different Guru. I spent time with my Guru in India, Canada and the U.S. I can assure each of you, there was nothing cultish about that experience. He was the greatest and holiest of men I have ever known. I still use him as a role model when attempting to make important choices and decisions. Around that time I accidentally discovered if I had a pain in my body I could eliminate it by placing one of my hands on that point and the other hand on another point in my body. Then I learned about a workshop in Polarity Therapy that used similar techniques. I attended and met Jefferson and Sharon. I told them I would love to join them at Mt. Shasta to study but had no funds. They offered me a chance to study in exchange for work. I suspect the reason was because my coming back to running a co-op would probably lead to my sending new students. I didn’t bother to tell them that after studying I would return to my home in Arizona. The arrangement was to work three months with free room and board and then spend three months studying – also with free room and board and a tuition waiver. As it turned out I was able to fulfill most of my work obligations in the early and late hours of the day so I was permitted to attend classes – and, more importantly, work on fellow students. This was truly a dream come true. The students came from all walks of life and were a joy to study and work with. I liked Jefferson, Sharon, Will and Will’s wife (I forgot her name) and the rest very much. I would join them in their meditations since my path was so similar and there was never any interest on their part to change or control me. I ate meals with them (the inner sanctum, if you will) and always enjoyed their company. They even permitted me to erect my own tent-like sleeping quarters next to their office on the top floor. (It was winter outside!!!) Believe me, I overhead many a conversation in that office and none were what I would call troubling or conspiratorial or devious. They were always conducting business in terms of staffing, teaching and pr. If there was anything going on that was not kosher I was close enough to know. I suspect a lot of the troubles I read about took place after the mid 70’s. During the last couple days of my work commitment I managed to completely sever a tendon in my thumb. Will and someone else immediately took me to a local retired physician. I was pretty pure at the time so asked the doctor not to give me any pain relief when he sewed me up. I asked Will and the other person to each do some very rajasic (deep!) work on each foot during the procedure. As it turned out I felt nothing in my feet or my thumb. Only problem was the doctor and his wife/nurse. The minute he touched me with the scalpel she feinted and his hands were trembling almost beyond control. They were clearly accustomed to working on patients that could feel no pain. Were I to do that over I would never put them through such a difficult time. | ||
| ttbird New member Username: ttbird Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 70.162.13.163 |
Part II of 3 parts: So my work commitment was up and I was ready for three months of study. But with my thumb screwed up I had to put studies off. I decided to return to my home in Phoenix and experiment with what I learned before taking classes officially. That was my first and only problem. The head honchos called me in for a private meeting and asked me to sign an agreement where I would not use what I learned until I completed formal training. I politely refused. I explained I would not charge for my services and I would explain I was not properly trained. I was convinced that after applying what I learned in the real world my official training would be even more valuable. I would have better questions and could actually make contributions as a student. They didn’t buy it. Sharon, whom I considered a friend, would no longer speak to me and the others avoided contact with me. I was to receive some sort of recognition for my work and thumb suffering but that never materialized. But that was ok. I got over my disappointment at how I would only be embraced by them if I lived according to their wishes. They are not alone in providing love that is conditional. It happens. So a year or so goes by and I head to Orcas Island to study Polarity. I saw absolutely none of the issues so many of you went through. I am not suggesting they did not occur only that they were not something I was aware of. I always did what I wanted and what I needed to do. There was even a time at Shasta I saw a physician due to a sharp pain in my chest. When I told them I needed to see a doctor they did try to convince me the pain would pass and they would give me daily sessions to assist. After two weeks of no relief I told them I now need to see a physician. They were not happy but I went any way. Turns out the physician could not find anything wrong. His only real interest was in wanting to drill me about “The cult you belong to.” I was very amused and assured him this was no cult. (Looks like he may have known more about what was going on then me.) Oh how I miss those winter nights in Shasta where we would sit in the hot tub ten minutes, walk outside barefoot in the snow, do a dozen wood choppers, dive in the ice covered pool and repeat that process two more times – laughing at how icicles had formed on our body the moment we left the pool. If I didn’t know how to break into the food storage and abscond with cashews and dates every night I never would have survived. So I left Orcas with my training and moved to Seattle. I visited their Seattle office once and that was my last encounter with Polarity. That was probably 1979. Eventually I left the world of natural healing (Polarity, Herbalist and Reflexology) and became a theatre professor, author and entrepreneur - though I am still connected with that way of thinking. My oldest son is a chiropractor and my wife works & teaches at a Naturopathic college. | ||
| ttbird New member Username: ttbird Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 70.162.13.163 |
Part III of 4 parts: (Taking 4 submissions to get all this in. Sorry.) For some unknown reason I decided to Google Jefferson to see what he is up to. That is when I found you folks. I am terribly sorry to learn of how much of a terrifying impact he had on so many. Jefferson, in my experience, was a short man with a troubled youth. That profoundly impacted the way he related to the world and those that worked/studied under him. But we all bring our past to how we relate to the present. He just happened to have been clever and ambitious enough to start a school and, apparently, a community. I suspect anyone who joined knew from the start what the rules were and who was running the show. It was most likely those rules, and the company of searching souls, that brought you there. He was no saint and the time I was there never acted like one. What struck me about the string of concerns I read was how painful it was for those that discovered he was a hypocrite and all-too-human. But that’s what he is and that’s what we are: human. I was sorry to read about the woman who escaped after being beaten by her husband. I was even sorrier to learn when she returned with a sheriff she didn’t press charges. To be so violated and to do nothing to hold him accountable struck me as odd. What also strikes me as odd, and this comes from my limited understanding of human nature, is the numerous complaints about the rules for those that chose to live in Jefferson’s world. If he won’t let you drink coffee or see the movie of your choice or attend a funeral – get the hell out. There are too many situations in life where we are not truly victims but volunteers. Needless to say, I am a firm believer that we are where we want to be and when we no longer want to be where we are – we leave. But, that’s me and not everyone believes she or he has that freedom. | ||
| ttbird New member Username: ttbird Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 70.162.13.163 |
Part IV of 4 parts – Finally!!! I am not about to condemn Jefferson or anyone else based on what someone else says. I can only pass judgment on what I experience first hand – and then I am still hesitant. The string would have more credibility to what a monster so many of you say he had become if it was based on your actual experience rather than emotions, personal attacks and relaying what someone else said. The fact someone was upset or wouldn’t talk to you again because you stopped their program is, well… come on guys. Do you really need her approval that bad? That’s probably what she feels she has to do to keep you on board. She is all too aware of the need to be accepted and may be consciously or not exploiting that need. You should have heard the guy go off the deep end (so to speak) when I told him I was switching services to have my pool cared for. And what did I learn from that tirade – not to go back. No biggie. He’s the one with the problem. Not me. Jefferson Campbell may very well be a controlling, dominating, hypocritical destroyer of dreams – and if that be true, let it now be his problem. Not yours. Move forward with the wisdom and lessons that came from such an unholy experience. I look at all my life’s experiences as having brought me to where I am today and that makes me grateful. Very grateful. I hope, with all my heart, you can find the same. Don’t give anyone the power to ruin your day. How you respond to what happens is in your hands – and heart. G-d bless each of you. | ||
| nickyb_1953 New member Username: nickyb_1953 Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.67.62.32 |
Thanks for sharing ttbird. Although your experience was positive, there is no getting around the fact that the Alive Polarity Fellowship was a dangerous cult and Jefferson a dangerous man (based on his past history). You were never on staff and thus limited on the inner workings of the organization. Those closest to Jefferson's inner circle were tramatized big time; not all but many. And, yes, things got really weird in the mid-80s in Murrieta. You mentioned that if we didn't agree with certain rules, then why didn't we just leave. It's just not that simple when one's mind is heavily influenced by the fear that is used to keep people in line. A great book to rule on cults (religious and otherwise) is the Guru Papers by Krammer and Alstad. Nickyb | ||
| sal New member Username: sal Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 205.202.41.2 |
Hello ttbird! I haven't posted for a long while, but I check in periodically to see if anyone I recognize has joined the conversation. I was at the lodge in Mt. Shasta when you cut your thumb and had it worked on with no anesthetic. I was married to Michael R., and we were considered to be "directors" of the organization along with Sharon and Jeff and Chris and Heather. I was a part of the group only by virtue of the investment Michael had made. My role was to do the bookkeeping for the organization and to keep my mouth shut. I was very much in the background, and frightened by much of what was happening. However I have very fond memories of many of the people I met while there. Michael and I did not make the move to Orcas, as he and Jeff had a falling out, and I never did buy in to the deal, so my association ends there. But I remember many folks, and you are one of them. Glad to hear you are doing well! Sal | ||
| normanfletcher New member Username: normanfletcher Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 58.106.30.35 |
Wow! Someone else called those women in the shop, "The Stepfords". They were a bit surreal. Anyway, I went there upon recommendation from a couple of people who reckoned the aminos etc. had helped them. I had sustained nerve damage from a virus. On the video link up with Jeff, he insisted I was still suffering from a virus - but in fact the nerve damage was causing all the problems (as confirmed by a top neurologist). Jeff was either incompetent or wilfully misinforming me. Either way he was wrong and I can't see that the treatment would have been any different anyway - they handed out the same powders regardless it seems. Lorraine shouldn't be working with the general public - she just doesn't have the character for it. The way she spoke to Diane and other Stepford (co-workers) was well out of order and totally unacceptable I didn't get any hassle off her when I stopped the program - if she was rude to me I would have responded in kind. I didn't think Jeff had any charisma , I thought he was a bit of a dickhead to be honest. The one treatment I though was great was the cod liver oil spread on a flannel then pressed onto your lower back - I would have the best sleeps with that - really good. The shop isn't there any more - bye bye |
