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     capn_blythe (capn_blythe) Junior Member Username: capn_blythe Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 213.106.85.232 |
I have a feeling that there might be one or two people accessing this facility soon.... | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1678 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Read the actual letter from TTI to it’s U.K. distributors. Denial, denial, denial. tsk, tsk,tsk. Then the inescapable admission. The government closed them down!!! www.crimebustersnow.com CBN p.s. The whole website at www.treasuretradersltd.co.uk (as per their letter) seems to be missing. Without it they can’t tell their distributors and victims where to go,...... or vice-versa. (Message edited by gatordave on November 27, 2005) | ||
| capn_blythe (capn_blythe) Member Username: capn_blythe Post Number: 55 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 213.106.85.232 |
Dave...Now I'm no expert on Company Law....But Peter Kippax states in his letter that they have "successfully completed negotiations with tradedealsltd.co.uk"....a company he formed and owns..And he hasn't declared his interest in this company to the TTI distributors....Now isn't this breaching Company law? Even if it isn't....it is in my mind another way of making more money out of his "Distributors" | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1684 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
That's an interesting one, "CAPN'. Whether it's legal or not to hide ownership, or if it is an undisclosed "conflict of interest". But like so much else if true, it is at best misleading by directing people to a company he claims he is negotiating with as though it is a seperate entity, when he in fact owns it. It would seem that if everything is on the up and up in a "perfectly legal" business he would want to proudly claim it as a branch of his business. Having said that, aside from ownership the way this could be used would be illegal. A person with sole and hidden ownership and control of the trading side of the business, like a Ponzi Scheme, he can give large returns operating at a loss, or break even without anyone questioning, which would of course be difficult if it were owned by someone else. If that were the case he would have to explain why he is operating at a perpetual non-recoverable loss, and tip his hand, having to "cut them" in on the illegal "action" chancing also they might not bite and turn him in. Risky and less profitable. But, with sole and "secret" ownership, like the classic Ponzi Scheme, he gives great deals for the exchange of emeralds at the beginning even at a loss if necessary. This attracts more investors. In this case exchanging "cheap gemstones" at an artificially high value established by him though the losses he is absorbing or maybe breaking even with. The emeralds collected are then re-sold via the pyramid. Now, bear in mind the pyramid can operate totally on its own without gemstones acually being bought or sold. Just paper certificates. But the second scam thinly masks the first... the the naked pyramid fraud. This can easily be revealed with a simple forensic audit. So, he has created a ready market for junk gemstones and controls the size of it, "proving" the "perpetual" "business model for the new millenniem" really works. However, what is created in fact, is this artificial market for the junk gemstones. Now, if with fees and restrictions and not 100% gem exchange (gem + cash) and suggestions you hold and save these certificates for "big tickets items" it causes a damming or hording effect. A "fever" of demand on "spectulation" for the gemstones is also created. The illegal pyramid recruitment board is then used to fill that demand. So, like a virus once released, the "fever" grabs hold, the pyramid recuitment expoentually explodes, and spreads like "wilfire" all over the world, exactly as it did with the "WEW" "virus." And that is simply because it is the slightly and irrelevantly mutated "clone" of the "Women Empowering Women" pyramid fraud virus. One is not required to examine this "new" virus under a microscope to see the exact caractristics and the projected results of the slightly mutated "WEW" virus. Once the pyramid virus reaches it's potential the owner is holding a vast amount of the money of the last "investors" (victims) and skips. A few can brag they also made money. The ones at the top, where it starts with the wealthy then spreads through the relatively well off, and they do in fact "clean up". But invariable in every case of the pyramid swindle it ends with the unsophisticated, the financially desperate, seniors, ethnic groups, and students as the overwhelming victims. Years ago these large pyramids were reserved only for the rich and the well off. The poor had the $1 - $5 - $10 chain letters. Now with easy access to credit and credit cards the lowest in our society can be ripped off for considerable amounts of money relative to their income. Many times into bankruptcy . And, for every one that wins at this obscene, obscured game there are at least 8 losers. True, the owner doesn't have the majority of the money that changed hands. But then he did little to collect it either. So, he receives over 30% of the recruiting fees from millions of victims, plus the addition millions scammed from the junk gemstones. Those left with the "junk" realize only to late that the only one creating the "vast" market "skipped town" and no one else really wants the stuff. That's the pyramid recruiting fraud and the Ponzi gemstone scam wrapped up in one. It's just the "same old, same old" repackaged in 24k gold leaf wrapped for the new millennium. Please let me know if that is comprehensible. gatordave And victims!!! Don't let anyone rip you off. If they do, like rape! Scream like hell, and fight back!!! www.crimebustersnow.com (Message edited by gatordave on November 28, 2005) | ||
| bruce_audley (bruce_audley) Intermediate Member Username: bruce_audley Post Number: 232 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 198.53.167.229 |
"Like rape, scream like hell and fight back!!!!" Wow! And to think I figured this was a forum on "Treasure Traders International Co.". Great Post Dave! Articulate and right to the point of the issue. The world thanks you for looking out for us buddy. And your point for the readers was what? Bruce | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1691 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Accept the "Audleyisms" for what they are and concentrate in closing these pyramid schemes down. Once in the universities, colleges, and highschools who knows what will happen when the pryamids collapse and 20 or 30 or more ripped off students want their money back from one student who has already spent it on a car, lastest t.v. designer clothes or who knows what. That is the reality of pyramid fraud. Imagine a kid flanting a new car, the latest t.v. the designer clothes etc., having to spent the next four years or so in the same school as the kids she/he ripped off through TTI. I know the bitter feelings of anger and resentment of the adults that lost money in my community in the same 1 winner 8 loser pyramid fraud. Again victims!!! Don't let anyone rip you off. If they do, like rape! Scream like hell, and fight back!!! Post your story here if you wish, and/or at www.crimebustersnow.com At Crime Busters Now your story will be told without being subject to cyber-harrasment and bullying on that site. dave | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1692 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Just an afterthought "CAP'T". If this junk and paper certificates can be traded as these crooks claim, and there are not huge fees, everyone should be redeeming their junk and certificates for tangable products from the "the Peter Kappax 'great stuff' business." Or have they shut down trading and included this company in with TTI? What can you "give me on that." "CAPT" gatordave | ||
| capn_blythe (capn_blythe) Member Username: capn_blythe Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 213.106.85.232 |
I don't know anyone who's traded their certificates......(Go trading..who TTI used to recommend wanted a joining fee...and then you had to find someone who actually WANTED a TTI cert...)...as to the DTI being aware of Mr P Kippax's other site...I have no idea..and there's no way to ask them as they won't give out info on an ongoing investigation...Sorry Gator | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1699 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Ok. What you do is give this addition information of what you know or suspect about Peter Kippax’s other company to the DTI. Now, I believe you can ask to remain anonymous if you wish, and remember to ask to add the information to your file#. Get at least a few of the other victims to call in that same information asking for their own file# if they are new complainants, or add it to their existing file. This is very powerful stuff. This will show who knew what and when they knew it. Your authorities have moved on this with what can only be considered “break-neck” lightning speed vis-a-vis Canadian Authorities. As their own regulations point out “a three month” investigation. Think about it. That, if they were able to be there from the very first meeting. Within only five months TTI was closed. I wonder if they seized or know about that expensive Hummer Kappax was driving all over England in. It might be worth a mention. For honest authorities these references “of what they knew and when they knew it" are an asset to their investigation. For corrupt authorities in a cover-up it may prove to be the “anchor” from the “Destiny.” Just keep the complainants recording how they were introduced to TTI, what they were led to believe about the program and led to believe about the “worth” of the “gems etc.” In Canada, do the same thing. Call or email Industry Canada (Competition Bureau) 800-348-5358 You will notice we are now having an election in this country caused by corruption and strong evidence of government ties to organized crime. We are the leading, or a least one of the leading countries in the world for organized crime and money laundering. Now, why would anyone suppose that could be? (Cause and effect I would submit.) gatordave “Truth suppressed, whether by courts or crooks,[or cops] will find an avenue to be told." Sheila Steele www.injusticebusters.com If you have been ripped off in any scam .... www.crimbustersnow.com (Message edited by gatordave on December 01, 2005) | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 250 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
Wow look at J.A.D. go!!!!!!!!! l find it odd how the only website that J.A.D. can find that says TTI is illegal is the one that he is the President of. How odd?????? So J.A.D. have you gottin any donations yet? And if so what is this money going to? l know right into your pocket!!!!!! l see all your hard work is paying off. l see all the people writing on fact net about how they got ripped off by TTI oh wait a minute its just you. Sorry. l also see on your crime buster's website all the stories people have told about TTI. ZERO!! l don't keep up with TTI news anymore becuase l have better things to do with my time. Just because the DTI have served a petition stopping TTI in Manchester doesn't mean ••••. l see by TTI website that they are still have meeting in London 7 days a week. Whats up with that? Anyways l really don't care l made my money and l know lots of people have too. Now l know Allan Kippax made his money even if TTI closed today he would still walk away a VERY rich man!! The only person that doesn't seem to be making any money here is you J.A.D.!!! But hey money isn't everything right?  So you keep on fighting the good fight Dave!!! You are really making a difference  . Boy am l going to be in trouble after J.A.D. reads this post. l am going to get an eight page reply. Maybe if l give a crap l will reply and then look this site up in a couple more months | ||
| make7000 (make7000) Intermediate Member Username: make7000 Post Number: 251 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 24.150.254.233 |
Wow l see that factnet blocks out bad words. Do you think its because of J.A.D.? Hey Dave that isn't right!!! l think you should fight factnet about that!!! You know the whole freedom of speak thing!!  Oh yeah l think l posted on the wrong thread SORRY. NOT!!! | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) Member Username: real_truth Post Number: 51 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.130.232 |
Make 7000- It looks like if you have not checked the CBN site completely. Look at the bottom of the "Mission" page: "The purposes do not permit to subscribers donors or legal representatives to recover by any means cash or assets donated to the Foundation. The Foundation will pursue its activities without any goal of financial gain for its members and all profits or other gains of similar nature, that could make the Foundation, will be only used for the realization of its purposes." It seems crystal clear to me. | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1700 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Quite frankly "7000" isn't worth even this many key stokes. dave. www.crimbustersnow.com | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1701 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Hey "CAP'T" you might want to copy "7000's" post and e-mail it to DTI U.K. explaining the arrogance of these scammers that start these frauds in Canada and export them to the U.K. You might also try the press. They could be interested in this as a human (or inhuman) interest story. And I'm sure ol' Peter Kippax would be "thankful" for the assistance from his co-distributors-conspirators in Canada in his upcoming hearing. It would look good in the file. And I am quite serious. Might even put some long overdue pressure on our corrupt authorities and give some credibility to our claims since our government was forced into an election on corruption. It's proven time and time again, wherever there exists huge illegal profits there invariably is government corruption. Check the U.K.'s NCIS website. The involvement of corrupt politicians, accountants, lawyers and police officers is acknowledged and well documented. gatordave www.crimebustersnow.com | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1703 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
After reading some of your posts I was unaware of, I find your posting are worth even less, "rachelengland". I did ask you, I thought in a nice way to take your "stuff to a more appropriate thread and leave this open for serious debate. I would be happy to respond to your postings there. In fact I will open one for you. dave p.s. Are you doing the post and delete trick now, or were you removing it with the intention of not returning to this thread? And answer is not required. www.crimebustersnow.com (Message edited by gatordave on December 01, 2005) | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Advanced Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 677 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 69.128.222.206 |
oh dave don't be upset with me-i don't want to ruin your day-you seem so happy lately good stuff happening with treasure traders-just thought you missed me guess i was wrong-dave you haven't read any of my worthwhile postings obviously and remember there were some other people posting with me it takes 2 -but the way you feel about me is okay i'll make it thru it may take awhile for my pride to heal but I'll manage-i don't want to take you anywhere else you stay here where it's cozy and I will put my tail between my legs and leave - Lovingly,Rachel | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1705 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
I did read many of your worthwhile posts until I realized where you were coming from and went back and read some of the stuff you wrote before our paths crossed, to varify it was not me that could be blamed for "turning" you that way. dave Again it would be appreciated if at least one thread could be open for anyone to debate pyramis frauds, corruption, the cause and effects and TTI's relevence in the big picture. Your disruptive comments have a place somewhere I'm sure, but not here, bearing in mind that it is not a Factnet Law nor a Dave's Law, merely a reasonable request. dave www.crimebusters.com | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1706 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Thank you. dave www.crimebustersnow.com | ||
| capn_blythe (capn_blythe) Member Username: capn_blythe Post Number: 62 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 213.106.85.232 |
Hey make7000....the DTI have banned all activity in the UK.....if TTI ARE meeting in London...then they are doing so illegally...... | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) Member Username: real_truth Post Number: 52 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.130.232 |
To all- Huuummm! No more links at: http://ttico.com/calendar.asp What is happening? | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) Member Username: real_truth Post Number: 53 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.130.232 |
To Captain- I think DTI could be interested to learn that TTI Canada is still advertising TTI meetings in UK on its Canadian site. Check: http://ttico.com/schedules/londonengland.asp and http://ttico.com/schedules/manchester.asp (Message edited by real_truth on December 01, 2005) | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1707 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
TTI and pyramid fraud artist take note and thank us we SAVED YOUR "CANADIAN BACON" SCARING YOU AWAY FROM THE U.S. FACING 30 YEARS. ONE SENTENCED TO 17 1/2 YEARS ALREADY IN A "PERFECTLY LEGAL" BUSINESS UNTIL IT WAS BUSTED. A LAWYER AND A CHURCH!!! Imagine "God bless." HEADLINE..... DEFENCE: Lawyer conned by client "The “pattern of red flags” federal prosecutors say should have alerted Dalton attorney R. Scott Cunningham that he was laundering money for a client were apparent.... http://news.mywebpal.com/partners/680/public/news678990.html p.s. When you read the story anyone should realize he didn't need a hord of FBI Agents, IRS agents and "All the Kings Men" to enlighten him, just the little girl.... "Daddy, Daddy, look the Emperor has no cloths." (Message edited by gatordave on December 01, 2005) | ||
| capn_blythe (capn_blythe) Member Username: capn_blythe Post Number: 63 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 213.106.85.232 |
LOL...if you read the Manchester site....No times on the days....I know for a fact TTI don't use The Midland hotel anymore...(cost £250 a day for the room...and no-one was going!)......and the London site doesn't have a location | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1708 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Send "7000" he'll get it up and running again. Remeber our remarks. "Your boards are falling apart all over two continents." I can't see how the police and government especially Michael Shibley of Industry Canada, 204-884-1305, "can possibly avoid "red faces" on this one. www.crimebustersnow.com | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) Member Username: real_truth Post Number: 54 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.130.232 |
To Captain- Could you send your e-mail address to Dave, plz. | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) Member Username: real_truth Post Number: 55 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.130.232 |
To all- With all the $$$ 7,000 has made with TTI, he could surely pay for the Midland Hotel room and hold the meetings there by himself...  (Message edited by real_truth on December 01, 2005) | ||
| voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason) Member Username: voice_of_reason Post Number: 59 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.158.66.143 |
“We incorporated as the International Marketing Association in Quebec, Canada, on April 14, 1998, as a non-profit corporation." Tell me Michel, how does a non-profit organization afford to buy a cruise ship??  | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1710 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Off topic gossiping truth twisting liar. We are talking here about the sinking ship "Destiny", pyramid frauds and organized crime and corruption in the police and government and the effects on families, businesses and communities. Take your crap and open another thread. CBN www.crimebustersnow.com | ||
| capn_blythe (capn_blythe) Member Username: capn_blythe Post Number: 64 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 213.106.85.232 |
Sorry...I'm a little lost here....I thought "Destiny" was a Pirate Ship..Not a cruise ship.....?? | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) Member Username: real_truth Post Number: 56 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.130.232 |
To all- As some of you already know, I create Foundations for clients all over the world. I'm not here to promote myself but the Foundations I create have the right to acquire fixed assets ranging from a minimum of $10,000,000 US up to $1,000,000,000 US, the 1 billion one being the biggest one I created up to now. The fixed assets these Foundations are acquiring have to be used for their mission. In the case of CBN, they are $10,000,000 US as written clearly on its Chart, even if not published on the CBN site yet, and will be used for its mission, already described in full on its site at http://crimebustersnow.org . In the case of another client, falsely described and named by Voice here, it is $1,000,000,000 US. All these acquisitions are made in full compliance with the official Charts of my clients, emitted by the Quebec Registrar, in accordance with their own missions. We are still waiting for TTI people acting in full transparency and showing us their opinion letter from Industry Canada stating that they are operating in full legality, as claimed by Voice, The Truth and other pro TTIs. With what we can see here, the DTI from UK has already shut them off, which is a good sign of what should happen in Canada soon. Come back here, Voice, when TTI will have operated for more than 7 years. So... Voice... Get lost and start another thread somewhere else. We are here to talk about TTI. (Message edited by real_truth on December 02, 2005) | ||
| voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason) Member Username: voice_of_reason Post Number: 60 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 205.166.218.7 |
Hey, this thread is about victims of frauds right? If you aren't Michel, you are one of the boards of directors of this "non-profit" organization that is acquiring a cruise ship. You can manipulate your mission statement all you want, but when a non-profit organization’s goal is to acquire a billion dollars US, to purchase cruise ships, nice cars and houses and cars for its directors etc, it sounds hokey to me. At least Kippax and TTI admit they are in business to make money. Maybe they should have had you create a "non-profit" organization to distribute gemstones. The mission could have been stated to "realize the goals" blah blah blah to try to confuse people, just like you do with your pretend "non-profit" organizations. Dave have you looked closely at wm-mw and the way it raises money? I know you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you, but it seems a little hypocritical to me to attack other mlm organizations, and then align yourself with another. You attack prior "non-profit" organizations, like the telemarketing one you have talked about so much. Explain to me the difference between this one and those? Besides the fact that this one is helping you I mean. Yes, this thread is about victims of fraud. CBN is a fraud, Dave is a Fraud, and you wmmw are a hypocrite. TTI runs with a lot more transparency and integrity than your "non-profit" organization Web-Musique. When CBN is investigated by the authorities for the criminal past of its president, just remember it will come back to you as well. | ||
| real_truth (real_truth) Member Username: real_truth Post Number: 57 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.130.232 |
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| real_truth (real_truth) Member Username: real_truth Post Number: 58 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 66.36.130.232 |
To Voice- With what I saw with my contacts with CBN president, I can testify here that this gentleman is a very honest and hard working person, dedicated to help victims of pyramidal frauds. I was very happy to help him in getting his Chart from the Quebec Registrar. Some people cannot like the way he is handling things but... have you ever seen thieves very happy to be caught? In case you don't know how it works, Voice, Registrar has its own lawyers and analysts checking the mission and rules of a new Foundation BEFORE emitting its Chart to a prospective candidate. Show us the opinion letter from Industry Canada saying that TTI is operating according to their rules. By what we can see is happening in UK to TTI, I'm not sure at all that we'll ever see it... | ||
| capn_blythe (capn_blythe) Member Username: capn_blythe Post Number: 67 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 213.106.85.232 |
Hmm....Looks like Peter Kippax has been well & Truly Hung out to dry by this Family...The DTI Petition is scathing....He could be looking at Jail time! | ||
| gatordave (gatordave) Senior Member Username: gatordave Post Number: 1866 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.141.185.22 |
Michael Shibley of Industry Canad is determined that pyramid fraud is going to continue in this country as he steadfastly, belligerently and contemptuously refuses to enforce the law against product based pyramid fraud until all the people at the top have their pockets full, the damage is done, and those that can lest afford it at the bottom are finally scammed. Students, seniors, ethnic groups, single parents, the financial desperate, and the financially unsophisticated. The laws regarding illegal pyramid profit from ”downline” recruitment vis a vis profit from product selling is as clear in Canada Law as it is the U.K. This bureaucrat Michael Shibley responsible for thousands of citizens needlessly losing millions must be removed from one of the most important positions in government. In short he should be fired. From the UK....... “The Secretary of State for Trade and Industry has presented a petition in the High Court to wind up Treasure Traders Corporation Ltd in the public interest. The company operated a 'Pirate Ship' themed pyramid selling scheme. Investors paid £1,200 to sign up and were told to recruit further members of a ship 'crew'. They would move up to the position of 'captain' depending on how many recruits they could enrol. Once the 'ship' had a full crew of eight members they were told to 'sail the high seas searching for gold' by taking a profit share of further investments. In fact, many members of this scheme are receiving no return on their investment. www.crimebustersnow.com |
