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capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
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Username: capn_blythe
Post Number: 3
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 213.104.241.143
| | Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 4:23 pm: | 
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TTI is illegal because,although they dress it up as an MLM involving emeralds,a "distributor" (as they are signed up to be) can play the board without buying an emerald...and as such,TTI makes money from recruiting...here is the breakdown.....
Get on board (8 new pple x 1200)
Become crew (8 new pple x 1200)
First Mate (8 new pple x 1200)
& at Captain position (8 x 1200)
TOTAL (1200X8)X4= 38,400 from 32 people
4 captains make out with 7000 x 4=28,000
Difference of 10,400 goes to business/owner (TTI)
(They will try to tell you this difference is for the emeralds....but you pay extra to get the emeralds...I think it is $600)
Also,those of you who aren't bothered that this is a pyramid and fancy a gamble...remember it will need you to persuade 32 people to join your board before you make Captain....and if you DON'T fill your board....TTI get all the money from whoever you HAVE got on your board... |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1475
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
| | Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 6:49 pm: |
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EXACTLEY. Ask anyone who has gone though it. "MAKE_7000" a "dyed in the wool" TTI pyramid fanatic posted.... "you make your money recruiting people not selling emeralds"
Now, While I am putting together a reply to this sicko anonymous “BMBS_VOICE_OF_TREASON” on the thread entitled “New Here” let me say this....I have lost everything because of perjured evidence from pyramid freaks and the cops who were involved. I am basically unemployable. However, I have been able to scrap together a few hundred dollars and my Christian sister has contributed $100 with pyramid frauds now being recognized as a destructive force within the church. Ministers are being fined “big time” and sentences of 10 to 20years in the U.S., while at the same time the involvement of ministers here is being covered up by the police and a corrupt Attorney General's Dept. Her minister has recognized the impact of pyramid fraud in the church and is concerned having found some of his own congregation involved with TTI.
Being only about 6miles from the World Headquarters of this fraud, I will print up pamphlets and circulate them to students. This is where I believe we can make the biggest impact.
So, I will send a $100 to “WMMW” to get this non-profit organization “off the ground” and use the rest for the pamphlets and expenses. Will anyone join in with a contribution. If the 50,000 victims alone scammed in the GTA would contribute $2 each we would be a FORCE!!! That is what the anonymous “VOICE_OF_TREASON” is “trembling” about.
Now, I could have made tens of thousands in TTI. I was free to travel to “virgin” territories anywhere in Canada and the U.K. and devote seven days a week recruiting and scamming people. I could have easily “brainwashed” dozens of students into this scam, seniors, ethnic groups etc. I was a top salesmen for Great West Entertainment. You should have heard my passionate “pitch” to get handicapped kids out to see a magic show I believed in, only to find it was a dirty scam. I didn’t join TTI I didn’t choose to make the easy 10's of thousands. I have taken this abuse instead in an effort to stop these abominations masquerading as legitimate business . I stand on that for my credibility. Lets get these scammers and make of them, an example. It is easily doable!!!
gatordave
gatoraid@sympatico.ca
(Message edited by gatordave on October 22, 2005) |
capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
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Username: capn_blythe
Post Number: 4
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 213.104.241.143
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"A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that involves paying returns to investors out of the money raised from subsequent investors, rather than from profits generated by any real business. A Ponzi scheme offers high short-term returns in order to entice new investors, whose money is needed to fund payouts to earlier investors, and to lure its victims into ever-bigger risks.
The high returns that Ponzi schemes advertise require an ever-increasing flow of money from investors. Once the flow of new investment stops, the scheme is doomed to collapse.
The scheme is named after a man who became notorious for using the technique, Charles Ponzi, an Italian immigrant in 1903 to the United States. The manner of Ponzi's initial scheme was actually fairly crude, one of the apparent reasons being that he himself believed that he had found a way to legally generate large profits.
Today's schemes are considerably more sophisticated, but the idea behind every Ponzi scheme is to exploit the basic human trait of greed."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi |
capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
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Username: capn_blythe
Post Number: 5
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 213.104.241.143
| | Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 4:10 pm: |
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Just about sums it up,I kinda reckon....... |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1482
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
| | Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 4:50 pm: |
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It exploits the human trait of greed for those who relize it is a fruad and they will scam their downline and don't care as long as they can distance themselves from the last losing recruits. But those who are truly "brainwashed" into believing it is a well paid business and they will in fact help those below to be successful and they will be able to do good work for charity etc., like "fernando". I don't believe it is an act of greed, particularly when he finally relised TTI is a scam and notwithsting he had $70,000 and could have made excuses and kept it, instead returned as much as he could ending up "out of pocket" and all the time and effort invested and the loss of Kippax 43 to 100% cut.
That based on TTI's take of the first three recruit fees now. If the board fails TTI gets 100%.
If it is completed, captian gets $9600-orig. $1200 "invested"=$8400. Kippax cut 43%x8400=$3612.
dave
P.S. The key is, true victims must not be made to believe they were either "greedy or stupid." but merely victims of "well" orginized crime."
My advice would have been to use the money to sue Kippax for the return of everyones money and damages resulting in being unwitingly lead into fraud.
Kippax can be sued on the bases of the case won against pyramid fraud in London Ontario.
FYI from the link provided by "CAPTAIN BLYTH" above.... "In 1997 the government of Albania officially endorsed a series of pyramid investment funds. When the inevitable end came, the people of Albania, who had lost $1.2 billion, took their protest to the streets in a revolt that toppled the government.
I believe all we need is a huge peaceful protest in front of TTI.
(Message edited by gatordave on October 24, 2005) |
the_truth (the_truth)
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Username: the_truth
Post Number: 147
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 205.239.196.6
| | Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 8:25 am: |
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Why Treasure Traders is Legal
"They will try to tell you this difference is for the emeralds....but you pay extra to get the emeralds...I think it is $600"
Actually, one has the option to trade the receipt certificate for $1200 worth of gemstones, therefore a sale is created regardless of whether or not a distributor chooses to add an additional $600 (plus taxes) to receive even more than what they have already purchased with the initial $1200.
God bless. |
the_truth (the_truth)
Intermediate Member
Username: the_truth
Post Number: 148
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 205.239.196.6
| | Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 8:34 am: |
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"I believe all we need is a huge peaceful protest in front of TTI."
Sounds like a plan! Let's all gather as many bullhorns as we can and we'll sing "Heal the World" in unison. Ready…one…two…one, two, three, four…
“There's A Place In
Your Heart
And I Know That It Is Love
And This Place Could
Be Much
Brighter Than Tomorrow
And If You Really Try
You'll Find There's No Need
To Cry
In This Place You'll Feel
There's No Hurt Or Sorrow
There Are Ways
To Get There
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Little Space
Make A Better Place...
Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me
If You Want To Know Why
There's A Love That
Cannot Lie
Love Is Strong
It Only Cares For
Joyful Giving
If We Try
We Shall See
In This Bliss
We Cannot Feel
Fear Or Dread
We Stop Existing And
Start Living
Then It Feels That Always
Love's Enough For
Us Growing
So Make A Better World
Make A Better World...
Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Dream We Were
Conceived In
Will Reveal A Joyful Face
And The World We
Once Believed In
Will Shine Again In Grace
Then Why Do We Keep
Strangling Life
Wound This Earth
Crucify Its Soul
Though It's Plain To See
This World Is Heavenly
Be God's Glow
We Could Fly So High
Let Our Spirits Never Die
In My Heart
I Feel You Are All
My Brothers
Create A World With
No Fear
Together We'll Cry
Happy Tears
See The Nations Turn
Their Swords
Into Plowshares
We Could Really Get There
If You Cared Enough
For The Living
Make A Little Space
To Make A Better Place...
(lighters held high in the air)
Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me
Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me
Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me
You And For Me
You And For Me
You And For Me
You And For Me
You And For Me
You And For Me
You And For Me
You And For Me
You And For Me
You And For Me
You And For Me”
Well, that’s that. Kumbaya anyone?
God bless.
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capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
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Username: capn_blythe
Post Number: 6
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 213.104.241.143
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LOL @ the_truth .....once again deciding that winding Gator up and getting him angry is a great way of deflecting attention from the real issue.... |
capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
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Username: capn_blythe
Post Number: 7
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 213.104.241.143
| | Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 12:32 pm: |
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the_truth wrote:
"Actually, one has the option to trade the receipt certificate for $1200 worth of gemstones, therefore a sale is created regardless of whether or not a distributor chooses to add an additional $600 (plus taxes) to receive even more than what they have already purchased with the initial $1200"
You also forgot to write that this option is only available for a fee,and also only when you have got a few people on board...hence anyway you look at it,TTI earn money from recruiting... |
the_truth (the_truth)
Intermediate Member
Username: the_truth
Post Number: 149
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 205.239.196.6
| | Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 1:14 pm: |
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"You also forgot to write that this option is only available for a fee,and also only when you have got a few people on board...hence anyway you look at it, TTI earn money from recruiting..."
No, I didn't forget because that isn't the case. If you pay $1200, you can choose to get only $1200 worth of stones. There is no additional fee for that. You also do not need to get any people on the board to claim your gemstones, so that is also another misconception of yours. I think it may have been you who just forgot to look at the purchase options available. Hence, any way you look at it, a sale must be created for a distributor to earn money.
God bless. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1488
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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Nice tune "BS_TRUTH"! But getting back to TTI, you can make exactly 8x$1200= $9600 and never go near an emerald. There are in fact product masked pyramid frauds. What do one of those look like if an already admitted simple illegal fraud, this so called forced "matrix", 8 recruits paying one captain which is known to collaspe, with an added piece of paper is not one?
You can call illegal recuiting "a gem stone sale" if you want but, fraud by any other name is still a fraud.
As you confirm yourself it is a "purchase option" therefore not required as part of the pyramid fraud.
TTI is running a fraudulent scam. An illegal cheap product masked pyramid fraud with boards collasping and people losing millions all over two continents. I am going to do what I can to prevent police and government from again burying the evidence intimidating victims and covering up for the same crooks that were involved in "WEW".
That's a promise. And that's the truth... the real truth.
dave
You have not answered the question. IF you cash in the certificate you are required to pay applicable sales tx. YES - NO |
the_truth (the_truth)
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Username: the_truth
Post Number: 150
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 205.239.196.6
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NO. One of the 3 options includes the tax in the $1200 price. Hope that answers your question and perhaps that helps you realize that a purchase is in fact made with all the taxes taken into account and yadda, yadda, yadda.
God bless. |
real_truth (real_truth)
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Username: real_truth
Post Number: 40
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 66.36.142.47
| | Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 5:14 pm: |
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To all-
http://www.bbbmwo.ca/commonreport.html?bid=1080830 |
capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
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Username: capn_blythe
Post Number: 8
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 213.104.241.143
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Oh Dear Oh Dear......And so the noose tightens..... |
capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
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Username: capn_blythe
Post Number: 9
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 213.104.241.143
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...and,I have to say....I know TTI recruits...and they haven't had the certificate as soon as they coughed the 1200....because they tell me it is 1800 to get the certificate as well as your place on the board......
So I think someone is being economical with the facts here....
(Message edited by cap'n blythe on October 24, 2005) |
gatordave (gatordave)
Senior Member
Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1491
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
| | Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 6:34 pm: |
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And so the noose does!!! "capn_blythe".....
Now "fernando" you and your gang that were shafted and the rest of you shafted, while "WMMW" and myself are setting up the non-profit organization call and/or write TTI and demand your money returned for getting you involved in an illegal pyramid fraud. Send a copy to Industry Canada, the local RCMP, and the OPP or your Provincial Police and local police and the news media, if you want.
That is your record you brought the matter to the attention of authorities as a criminal complaint. That they cannot ignore!! Trust me. You certainly cannot be penalized for it. I urge you, and even any concerned citizens, to also call the BBB and make a complait and call Industry Canada. Ask the complaint's dept., at I.C. for LOUIE of the RCMP. Ask him why this fraud is continuing. He confirmed this morning that TTI is indeed under investigation by the RCMP.
He didn't like my suggestion that the RCMP are dragging their feet on the investigation until the police, politicians, lawyers, accountants etc., fill their pockets with ordinary citizen's money again, as before and like was done in Albania, then Kippax flees the country with millions, when they will then announce "Gee, Treasure Traders International was illegal don't get involved." This allows the involvement of the corrupt police, politicians, accountants to again be covered up and in the meantime the same fraud will continue under a new name and the system repeated, a continuation of the "Women Empowering Women" "Airplane Scam" "Nascar Scam" that the authorities themselves have been playing and promoting for years.
JUST DO IT!!! It's DOABLE!!!
dave
Now "B.S._TRUTH" again the options. Fine on the tx! But, a purchase of anything is not the definitive criteria that converts an indictable offence of pyramid fraud to a "legal pyramid"
Now, how is the sales tax paid on all the $1200 collected where the certificates are not redeemed. i.e. $9600 collected. Kippax gets $3600 (first three recruits) Tx owed on $9600 = $1440. Is that paid by TTI?
Also when people are signed up and "buy" a Purchase Order Certificate they are also distributors. Everybody buys the kit. The sales are obviously among company distributors an excuse for the pyramid fraud and the "thin mask." Retail sales are probably less than 00.001%. illegal in this country.
dave |
real_truth (real_truth)
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Username: real_truth
Post Number: 41
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 66.36.142.47
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To all
http://www.bbbmwo.ca/commonreport.html?bid=1080830 |
real_truth (real_truth)
Junior Member
Username: real_truth
Post Number: 42
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 66.36.142.47
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To all
"Customer Experience
Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record
with the Bureau due to unanswered complaints." |
the_truth (the_truth)
Intermediate Member
Username: the_truth
Post Number: 151
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 24.71.223.142
| | Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 8:56 pm: |
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The stuff you guys try to argue is just too funny! Really, what the heck does BBB have to do with regards to legality? Answer: Absolutely nada...zilch...zero. For the record, a company can have the worst record the BBB has ever seen and still operate perfectly legally. Keep up the great work everyone! Not only are you guys not making any progress with your findings, your actually moving backwards by bringing up the same arguments that was discussed long before you guys even came into this forum.
God bless. |
the_truth (the_truth)
Intermediate Member
Username: the_truth
Post Number: 152
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 24.71.223.142
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"...and,I have to say....I know TTI recruits...and they haven't had the certificate as soon as they coughed the 1200....because they tell me it is 1800 to get the certificate as well as your place on the board...... "
Again, another lame argument that isn't even based on real facts. It's no wonder you guys can't prove this business is illegal. Perhaps it might help if at least one of you knew what the heck you were talking about. I kind of feel sorry for you guys at this point because of your lack of ability to perform any thorough research so I'm going to do you all a favor and post exactly what the option is on the back of the certificate that you guys are just too lazy to get yourself...this one is a freebee since you guys have provided such great entertainment to all on this forum.
Here is option number 3 which clearly proves that with each $1200, a sale has in fact been made. BTW, this is verbatim…
“Option 3 – Redeem Cert. with no further payments and receive $1,200 retail value of gemstones”
So, feel free to keep presenting your made-up facts, because all it takes is to prove a sale is in fact made is a simple presentation of the certificate to the courts.
God bless. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1494
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 12:40 am: |
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No made up facts the "sale" is made to recruits within the organization not to the retail market. Illegal???
dave |
the_truth (the_truth)
Intermediate Member
Username: the_truth
Post Number: 165
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 205.239.196.6
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Actually the consumption of goods by a participant in the business is not illegal. Regardless, there have been distributors who have created sales to people not taking part in this business. If you look back in the posts, more specifically at the thread titled “Some people dont deserve to come across this business”, you’ll notice that some distributors have successfully found a market for these gemstones outside of the TTI distributor group.
I’m sure your next argument may be that there aren’t too many occurrences of this, but when you compare the ratio of sales outside of the participant circle versus the sales to participants, you’ll notice that the percentage will come very close to that of other perfectly legal network marketing businesses such as Amway. Think about it…how many times have you or anyone you know purchased Amway products? Heck, go ahead and conduct a survey and see how many people have been offered to just purchase Amway products compared to being offered to take part in their network marketing business.
Lastly, even if the distributor decides that they don’t want to sell their gemstones for cash, they still have the option to trade the gemstones for goods and services that may be more appealing to them.
And voila...there you have it...a perfectly legal network marketing business.
God bless. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1507
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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And Voila... there you have it... a poorly masked pyramid fraud! using Amway as an excuse!! Some sales, but not enough for a retail market to make it legal. The important point is that a pyramid scheme is being offered which is not dependent on the optional purchase of anything. The same as an art dealer car dealer or anyone who would sign up people for $5000 on a "pyramid board" giving them a piece of paper then calling themselves a dealer and if they wanted to but not required to, later purchase the art, car or any other extremely overpriced product with profits already made by recruiting.
illegal!!!
And as far as the trading of emeralds and the paper certificates; we have already read the horror stories of that. All that will happen is TTI when it has "milked all it can milk" from the pyramid fraud and the Pozi scheme of "emerald trading" it will fold; the vast, vast majority of victims will be left with these worthless pieces of paper or almost equally worthless gemstones.
Those at the top will "grab" their victims money and "run." The corrupt lawyers cops and politicians will quietly fade into the woodwork again, as before, their criminal participation covered by the combined efforts of the various law enforcement in this country, the media and the corrupt Attorney General’s department.
And that’s the truth as it was in the “Women Empowering Women” pyramid scam from which TTI is clearly cloned and now thinly, but illegally “masked” with junk gemstones.
And what does that teach the youth of our nation?
dave
This is not a business model to Financial Freedom. it is an illegal pyramid scam.
(Message edited by gatordave on October 26, 2005)
(Message edited by gatordave on October 27, 2005) |
capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
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Posted From: 213.106.85.232
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Amway really DID generate sales.......Unlike TTI....... |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1519
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Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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I see TTI has competition. The same “WEW” “Airplain” “Nascar” “Circle of Friends” “TTI” etc., etc., 1-pay-8- and-become-wealthy-.....“business model”.
"You pay only $500"...claims the pitch... "and get returned $3000 plus a ˝ carat loose diamond gemstone worth $2,700 retail and “earn a HUGE $100,000 or more income very quickly.”
WOW CHECK THIS OUT........ “ FACT >>>>> “Here is a safe, proven, legitimate and guaranteed way to turn a one-time cost of $500 into $3,000, and also receive a half-carat diamond worth $2,700 retail…and do it over and over again. You get tremendous returns each time you cycle through the program. Some members are doing this in just a few days. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity.....and ONLY for people who are truly ready to better their financial health. Don't forget, this program comes with an unheard of...2-year money back Guarantee!
WITH AN UNHEARD OF ... 2-YEAR MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!
dave |
pickled_sausage (pickled_sausage)
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.157.76.155
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Looks like your mission just got twice as big Dave. You gonna take on these guys also? |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1520
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
| | Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 7:32 am: |
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We'll C! |
the_truth (the_truth)
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Username: the_truth
Post Number: 197
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 205.239.196.6
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Yes, we'll see! Hopefully this time you don't get your bullhorn taken away...you'll just have to be careful not to curse when using it. One good way to cut down on the foul language would be to start a "swear jar". Just place a dollar or two into a container everytime you swear and soon you'll be so broke that you won't even want to talk anymore...oh wait, i guess you really don't have a dollar to spare since you've got no job, no business, etc. Well, maybe you can borrow some from the "Foundation". Considering you're getting not getting any closer to proving this business is illegal, at least the money can be going to something productive.
God bless. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1521
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
| | Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 12:18 am: |
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"childish twit" |
capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
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Posted From: 213.106.85.232
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In fact..."Truth"... I am told the extra $600 is for "taxes".....So you can't cash in your certificate unless you pay these "taxes"...
So I guess I was right all along........
And bear in mind I HAVE (this tine) checked my facts.... |
the_truth (the_truth)
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Post Number: 198
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 68.146.131.149
| | Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 5:35 am: |
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An extra $600 for taxes on top of a $1200 initial payment? Sure, that makes a whole lot of sense. Perhaps, not only do you need to do more research about this business...I think you may need to research Canadian taxes as well. A 50% tax cost...go figure!
God bless. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1535
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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God you were up early this morning "BM_TRUTH" spreading your B.S.
I think it’s obvious “capn_blythe” made a typographical error which of course you are “all over” like flies on “meadow muffins.” I know what he meant, and so do you. But you would not want to correct an error for clarification, just jump all over it. He meant, you pay an addition $600 for the gemstones plus an additional amount for taxes on the full $1800, whatever the taxes may be in each province or country.
The point is you pay an extra amount for the gemstones + taxes. In Ontario the total is a whooping over 70% more than the original $1200 to play the illegal pyramid game. And the truth is the $600 alone is about 3 to 4 times the intrinsic value or the actual retail value of these junk gemstones. You “screw” your victims on the illegal pyramid fraud, then “shaft” â€em 70% more on the your gemstone scam. And then have the all stupid audacity to tell the world I don’t understand your new “business model” for the “new millennium.”
Your giving us a load of crap, “BS_TRUTH” with this..... “you don’t have to pay out any additional money when you cash in your certificates for gemstones.”
This is one lie after another, twisting and turning the truth with several "smoke and mirror" tricky interpretations for "dollars worth of gemstones"
dave
Still on ya! Still uncovering your lies and deceit...... and that's IS the truth |
capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
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Username: capn_blythe
Post Number: 12
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 213.106.85.232
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...who was on about Canadian Taxes?....If you notice I wrote Taxes in quotation marks.....At the end of the day this is what my contact was TOLD the 600 was for by someone at TTI....UK TTI...(Now you yourself have said this is an unlikely tax figure...)
So ,Come on....what is the 600 REALLY for? |
capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
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Username: capn_blythe
Post Number: 13
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 213.106.85.232
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and another thing.....how do you explain that in the UK you have to pay ÂŁ1200GBP to get on the board.....which equates to massive $2505 CAD....
That's some mark up..... |
voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason)
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Username: voice_of_reason
Post Number: 23
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.158.83.27
| | Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 9:13 am: |
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The silly arguments that keep coming back up on this thread are worse then a bad fashion style that keeps coming back around.
It has been clearly explained at least a hundred times that the gemstones cost $1800, not $1200 if you want them for wholesale prices. $1800 (plus applicable taxes, can't escape the taxman) get you $5000 worth of gemstones. If ones chooses not to complete the wholesale transaction (there is no law forcing people to do this you know Dave), you can trade your deposit receipt certificate for $1200 retail worth of gemstones. TTI pays the taxes on this. If this option is chosen (as explained hundreds of times, option 3 on the certificate) a retail sale has been completed.
No lies, no smoke and mirrors, no twisting and turning. It is so simple it boggles the mind how it keeps confusing you people.
This is clearly explained at ALL meetings, in the marketing material, and on the website.
It is you Dave, and a couple of others ignorant on the REAL, LEGAL workings of TTI that are posting lies.
TTI has been operating legally for 2 years in Canada, Over a year in the UK, and soon to be at a distributor near you in the US, regardless of the lies Dave keeps spreading.
Still on ya Dave! Still uncovering your lies and deceit, and that's IS (sic) the truth |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1537
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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Hi captain. It seems you haven’t heard of the $30,000 extravaganza boards they have now started just like "Women Empowering "Women." There are going to be some real disasters just like that "fraud of the decade" from which TTI is cloned, unless citizens get together and do something about it.
As long as citizens in this country do not complain, or find out how, or to whom to effectively complain, the authorities will not only unconscionably allow victims to be ripped off but in fact will conspire with criminals to rip them off!!!
This is my country. These criminals then export their crime defrauding the youth, students and seniors in your country. And this by far is not the only illegal scam but I believe like “WEW” it is the most massive. And for what these scams are doing to your citizens, as a Canadian, I am truly ashamed and sorry!
dave |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1539
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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Don’t call me a liar "BMBS_VOICE".
You posted this you fact twisting LIAR. Don’t accuse me. Near everything you say is either misleading, a twisted fact, omission, “smoke and mirrors” denial or outright lies. Pure and simple. Were you lying then or are you lying now???
This is what you posted. This is what I was told at meetings and verified by persons on this board I had no contact with. This does not include taxes. LIAR!!
November 04 /04 @ 6:27 p.m.
From “BS-ing LIAR and hypocrite “VOICE_OF_TREASON” we get this.... “Mr. Thornton....... TTI is a legitimate business, with a legitimate product. Your $1200 gets you exactly $1200 worth of appraised emeralds (Plus PST & GST). If you like, you can purchase an additional $3800 worth of emeralds($5000 - $1200) by putting down an additional $600 (plus PST & GST). This is the wholesale side of the business.
READ IT LIAR
You're P.O. because I took a huge inordinate amount of time and money and your filthy abuse, cops abuse, threatening, lies rumours, perjury, jail, wrongful conviction and beaten up to unravel what it took you criminals eight years to put together to defraud the unsuspecting youth, university students, highschool students, single moms, seniors, the financially unsophisticated, immigrants, the ethnic communities, and the financially desperate, you unconscionable criminals... and that IS the truth!!!
gatordave |
the_truth (the_truth)
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Username: the_truth
Post Number: 200
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 205.239.196.6
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Regardless of how long and boring you feel like writing, the fact of the matter still remains that a gemstone sales must still be created to earn commission, thus this business still continues to operate legally.
God bless. |
the_truth (the_truth)
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Username: the_truth
Post Number: 201
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 205.239.196.6
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"You're P.O. because I took a huge inordinate amount of time and money and your filthy abuse, cops abuse, threatening, lies rumours, perjury, jail, wrongful conviction and beaten up to unravel what it took you criminals eight years to put together"
Perhaps you may have forgotten...this business still continues to operate legally without any government intervention so that "huge inordinate amount of time and money" you've spent has simply gone to waste.
God bless. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1542
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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Your a LIAR. No gemstones sales are created to earn a commission. An optional piece of paper is a sale of nothing even if it were your recruiting system is an illegal pyramid. Period!! And the only thing consistant is,g you Are a LIAR. |
the_truth (the_truth)
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Username: the_truth
Post Number: 202
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 205.239.196.6
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 10:49 am: |
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Here we go again...you just can't accept what is clearly stated on the back of each and every certificate. It's ok, Dave...we know the truth. Why don't you take it to court and see what happens...or are you too chicken to be proven wrong in the court of law...again. Thought so! After all, if it's illegal like you say, you'd win hands down, right?
God bless. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1546
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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It's no "here we go again" you're a LIAR and running probably the oldest pyramid fraud in existance. |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1548
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
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This from the TTI Website. “Women Empowering Women” all over again. You unconscionable bastards.
Who joins TTI?
The people who join Treasure Traders International come from all age groups, economic groups, and professional backgrounds. There is something at TTI for absolutely everyone. Whether you are struggling to make ends meet, or have already experienced a high level of financial success, the TTI opportunity will enrich your life and advance your dreams. The TTI family of distributors includes teachers, lawyers, trades people, celebrities, stay at home parents, grandparents, new entrepreneurs and successful business people who have all recognized that TTI is a great way to do business.
http://www.treasuretradersinternational.com/faq.asp |
capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
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Username: capn_blythe
Post Number: 18
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 213.106.85.232
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Just to re-iterate my as yet unanswered question.....Why the mark - up on the UK Boards?
Let me answer that for you....it's because TTI then get more than DOUBLE the profit that they get on a Canadian board.... |
capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
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Username: capn_blythe
Post Number: 31
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 213.106.85.232
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LOL.......Let's face it...in the UK.....TTI IS NOW OFFICIALLY ILLEGAL!!!
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gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1671
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 12:23 am: |
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Don't you mean "Perfectly Illegal" Capt'n
gatordave |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1860
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
| | Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 8:09 am: |
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Michael Shibley of Industry Canad is determined that pyramid fraud is going to continue in this country as he steadfastly, belligerently and contemptuously refuses to enforce the law against product based pyramid fraud until all the people at the top have their pockets full, the damage is done, and those that can lest afford it at the bottom are finally scammed. Students, seniors, ethnic groups, single parents, the financial desperate, and the financially unsophisticated.
The laws regarding illegal pyramid profit from ”downline” recruitment vis a vis profit from product selling is as clear in Canada Law as it is the U.K. This bureaucrat Michael Shibley responsible for thousands of citizens needlessly losing millions must be removed from one of the most important positions in government. In short he should be fired.
From the UK....... “The Secretary of State for Trade and Industry has presented a petition in the High Court to wind up Treasure Traders Corporation Ltd in the public interest.
The company operated a 'Pirate Ship' themed pyramid selling scheme. Investors paid Ł1,200 to sign up and were told to recruit further members of a ship 'crew'. They would move up to the position of 'captain' depending on how many recruits they could enrol.
Once the 'ship' had a full crew of eight members they were told to 'sail the high seas searching for gold' by taking a profit share of further investments.
In fact, many members of this scheme are receiving no return on their investment.
www.crimebustersnow.com |
capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
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Username: capn_blythe
Post Number: 89
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 213.106.85.232
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As I've always said...Quote from the DTI in the UK......
"Treasure Traders Corporation Ltd was in breach of the Fair Trading Act 1973 because it offered participants the prospect of receiving payments or other benefits by taking part in the scheme and enticing other people to join the scheme. "
I told you it was illegal!!...Now the UK has shut them down! |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1877
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 9:59 pm: |
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Our laws are just as clear but not enforced.
dave www.crimebustersnow.com |
real_truth (real_truth)
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Username: real_truth
Post Number: 68
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 66.36.153.117
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 6:49 pm: |
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To all-
Don't you think it strange that we no more see Pro-TTI people here?
Mainly The Truth has disappeared since more than 3 weeks now. No more Voice neither.
Probably they are both closely checking State Farm and IBM companies' Code of Ethics as we suggested to them.
I'm asking myself if they are afraid to lose their jobs if their employers were discovering their close ties with TTI and its crooks.
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capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
Member
Username: capn_blythe
Post Number: 91
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 213.106.85.232
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 7:21 pm: |
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From my few contacts in Canada....(I have'n t many...but they've got their finger on the pulse)....TTI is in panic in Canada....Those who have been in from early days aren't as panicky(as they've earned a wad arlready)...but even so....Boards are collapsing....new members aren't to be found....
THE END IS NIGH! |
gatordave (gatordave)
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Username: gatordave
Post Number: 1880
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.141.185.22
| | Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 3:54 am: |
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Much of this has the strange echos of warnings and predictions from the long months past. I guess we proved TTI IS in fact perfectly illegal didn't we??? Oh! but only in the U.K. Eh!! you say, Pro TTI's!!??? And that's retroative to the first 1200 pounds that exchanged hands!!! illegal, illegal, illegal!!!
dave.... www.crimebustersnow.com |
real_truth (real_truth)
Member
Username: real_truth
Post Number: 71
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 66.36.153.117
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To all-
TTI = ILLEGAL yesterday
TTI = ILLEGAL today
TTI = ILLEGAL tomorrow
... as we always said. |
capn_blythe (capn_blythe)
Member
Username: capn_blythe
Post Number: 93
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 213.106.85.232
| | Posted on Sunday, December 25, 2005 - 8:30 am: |
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To ALL...Both Pro and Anti TTI'ers......
MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU |
voice_of_reason (voice_of_reason)
Member
Username: voice_of_reason
Post Number: 82
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.158.53.5
| | Posted on Sunday, December 25, 2005 - 10:54 am: |
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Merry Christmas to you as well Captn.
Dave and Michel. I hope you guys have a safe and happy holliday as well. |
