Tape 7, August 30, 1998

Lawrence Wollersheim and Jesse Prince

L:	In law there's a concept called due diligence. When it applies to lawyers, it means that a lawyer has to use due diligence as an officer of the court to ensure that he is abiding by the ethics and acting in a lawful manner when he represents any client. He cannot engage in illegal activity, he can't even, if there's a reasonable situation where one could believe that there was something unlawful going on and he was being asked to participate in presenting false documents to the court, or presenting stolen documents, or being involved in stealing records, or intimidation of judges or intimidation of witnesses. Even if he had a reasonable feeling that this was going on, he couldn't turn his back and say, "Don't tell me about these criminal activities." Under due diligence, if he senses that there's crimes being committed, and he has an awareness of it, he had a responsibility as a lawyer and officer of the court, to report it or not be involved in it. If -
J:	I haven't seen one that hasn't been compromised.
L:	Not one single law firm that works for Scientology -
J:	- have I not seen compromise on this point of due diligence as you are talking about. I have seen everyone that I personally worked with, Joe Yanni, Tom Small, Heller, the Lenske brothers, Earl Cooley, I mean the list goes on and on. They are exposed to it, they immediately see it for what it is. John Peterson, may he rest in peace. The common thing that they say is, "I don't want to hear about that, or I don't want to know about that, or I will discuss this only with certain people." Beyond that, and I've said specifics already, beyond that, as a general statement, that's what I'm saying.
L:	So, a lawyer who does not do due diligence exposes his insurance company to be liable for the criminal acts or damage that is incurred because he is saying "Don't tell me about this, I don't want to hear about it," or "We only discuss it with certain people." I want to go over the names of couple of lawyers and law firms that you may be aware of: Eric M. Lieberman..
J:	Yep.
L:	Rabinowitz, Bodine & Standard, Prinsky & Lieberman is the law firm.
J:	Right.
L:	Do you believe that he is knowledgeable about the criminal and illegal activities of Scientology?
J:	Very much so.
L:	He and his firm has failed to do anything to do the proper due diligence?
J:	Yes. And, as an investigatory procedure, just find out, just audit this attorney firm, specifically concerning its relationship with Scientology and take a look at what they're paying for investigatory services.
L:	What portion is investigation?
J:	Yep, that will open up a wide door for a train to fly through.
L:	Have you ever heard of a gentleman named Reeve E. Chud from Irvine, Cohen and Jessup a law firm?
J:	No.
L:	A Meade Emery or Leon Mistereck of Lesword, Patten, Flemming, Hartung and Emory, out of Seattle? They are involved in setting up the tax exempt status for Scientology.
J:	No, I'm not familiar with them.
L:	Christopher Cobb.
J:	Yep. Chris Cobb, he's got them long teeth. Yes, he's another one that was very similar to John Peterson, but I think he got retired. But he is very knowledgeable about the insanity that the church does to former members, current members, or other critics of Scientology.
L:	So, he would fall into that category -
J:	He's one of them OSA attorneys. He's right on the Invest lines.
L:	He's one of the ore dirt attorneys.
J:	Very much so.
L:	Knows about the criminal activities, probably was involved in them.
J:	Very much so.
L:	Lawrence E. May of Valency and Rose.
J:	Not familiar.
L:	Tom Small?
J:	Yep, familiar. Trademark attorney, copyright attorney. As I stated earlier, he may have had some dealings to do with those false copyright filings.
L:	He may have known they were false, he participated.
J:	Another person who his firm, who has since left because he was gay and everybody made fun of him. I don't remember his name.
L:	An attorney of Michael Wells of Maury and Ota? Is that familiar?
J:	No.
L:	How about, OK, Gerald Pfeiffer of Williams and Connolly, would be involved in attorneys who do not do due diligence and have knowledge of criminal activities.
J:	Yes, I believe so.
L:	Monique Yingling of Yingling and Yingling?
J:	Now, as I said, I have only heard her name. I have never made with contact with her or have any specific information that comes to mind about her.
L:	OK. Is it your belief, after your work with Scientology attorneys, that they don't work for Scientology unless they're dirty?
J:	Yes.
L:	In other you don't get the big fees unless you're willing to go along with what Miscavige is basically ordering and doing?
J:	They've been turned down by firms like, "No, I don't want nothing to do with you."
L:	You know other law firms -
J:	- that refuse them, yes.
L:	Many law firms refuse them?
J:	I'd say it may be. There was one all the way down at the end of Sunset in Hollywood that was a big firm, that didn't want anything to do with them. I know it's common when they're researching firms, you know, you mention Scientology and they're like out the door. There are many of them that say, "No."
L:	They want nothing to do with them, they know about these practices. OK. You mentioned that David Miscavige has a safe full of gold and silver bars and precious coins. And you mentioned that there's a secret corporation that nobody know about.
J:	Another one besides CSC.
L:	Another one. And there's bank accounts that nobody knows about besides a few people at the top of Scientology, who knows how many millions of dollars there are in these, and who the signatories are?
J:	The people that know where all the money is in Scientology are Maurine Bergatti, Mark Ingbert, David Miscavige, Lyman Spurlock.