Tape 6, August 27, 1998

Lawrence Wollersheim and Jesse Prince

L:	So you've seen various materials, lots of Scientology materials. You've seen different versions of Scientology materials. You could generally tell a real one from a false one?
J:	Right.
L:	When you looked at the OTVIII document that is being circulated outside of Scientology as the original real OTVIII, the one people suspect they probably changed, did that look a real Scientology document?
J:	No, because it had way too typos in it and grammar problems and stuff like that. It looked like something that someone was saying from their memory.
L:	OK. So it didn't have the same form and everything else as the original.
J:	You know, it kinda did, but you could tell obviously it's not an original because they very seldom, I mean, they had proofreaders and correct and check all that stuff.
L:	There were too many typos.
J:	Way too many. There were about 56.
L:	OK.
J:	But the information contained therein, let us not invalidate that. I think it was probably more than one person that got together, unless somebody was sneaking away with notes, because I know the security of that ship and I know how difficult it is, or was, to get anything whatsoever out of there. They went through your briefcases, everything, so there was no way to take a camera in there ot to steal something. So I know that that information is just based on memory.
L:	Memory.
J:	Yeah. But that's not to be invalidated.
L:	So in other words, that document could have been constructed by one or more people from notes and memory as best they could or what they read.
J:	Exactly, right. Exactly. And that's exactly what it appears to be.
L:	OK. You have looked at enough copyright documents in Scientology to know if it's a real Scientology piece or not, generally?
J:	Generally, yes. I wouldn't say absolutely but generally, yes.
L:	When you headed up the Issue Authority, tell us what you did in relationship to Scientology documents. What were your responsibilities heading up Issue Authority?
J:	Um.
L:	And you were the top guy in the world--
J:	Right
L:	--for the issuance of Scientology policies
J:	As well as David Miscavige. Now, I was number 2.
L:	Number 2. Right under him.
J:	Right.
L:	You were second guy, second last guy to sign off and say, "This is OK to issue."
J:	Right. And a lot of times they would just go out anyway. But I do want to make one thing clear. There were certain issues that did not go through me like that.
L:	What kind of issues did not go through you?
J:	Technical ones. Technical bulletins, like stuff that would be compiled by RTRC.
L:	So mostly policy letters went through your side of Issue Authority.
J:	Yeah, policy letters, that's right.
L:	No technical stuff.
J:	Yeah, there was actually some technical stuff. I have to say there was, but the person who was really the issue authority on technical stuff was either Jeff Walker or Ray Mithoff.
L:	OK.
J:	I would occasionally look at these things.
L:	OK. When Scientology created a new document to copyright, do you have knowledge? Just describe all your duties. As Issue Authority, what did you do? What did you have to do before David Miscavige signed off on this?
J:	Just read it and sign it off myself. I had people under me that did all of the other stuff, make sure the tabs are right, and then actually would say-- And it would be routed to me. Sometimes, I didn't see everything that went through me because I had a person that was under me that did that. And if he didn't do his job, then it became my job to do and that happened a time or two.
L:	But you were the responsible person?
J:	Exactly.
L:	OK. When they would review these for Issue Authority, what would they look at?
J:	Take the original. Well, there would either be multiple policy letters that had dis-related or somewhat related issues concerning the issue that was being created, and maybe some advice throughout the years. And they would make a compilation issue based on all these things, and they would put together something that had a specific theme and an idea, but it would come from many different sources.
L:	OK, this compilation issue, whose name would they put on it?
J:	L. Ron Hubbard's.
L:	And this is when he was still alive.
J:	Yes.
L:	How much of a document that had his, did it say that certain parts weren't written by L. Ron Hubbard?
J:	It didn't say anything. It just looked like any other issue.
L:	So it would appear to a Scientologist that the whole document was written by L. Ron Hubbard.
J:	Right.
L:	When, in fact, L. Ron Hubbard could have written as little as a few lines of a several page document?
J:	Or nothing at all.
L:	You mean there could have been documents with L. Ron Hubbard's name on that he didn't write any part of?
J:	Right. They were just a compilation of maybe different things that he had said, or some advices, or some other policy letter that had maybe a line or two that was significant to the issue, to the subject of the issue. So you'd get tabs, A, B, C and this advice. It was kind of like, make a coherent issue, a point out of all of these things that he may have mentioned at several times but let's make an issue out of it, make it policy, or let's make it tech.