Tape 5, August 26, 1998 and August 27, 1998

Lawrence Wollersheim and Jesse Prince

L:	And David Miscavige pierces the corporate structure of any corporation? He can go in and order anything basically in any corporation and it'll happen?
J:	Absolutely.
L:	Somebody says no to him and they're gone?
J:	They're gone.
L:	RPF, the concentration camp area of Scientology?
J:	Right, right.
L:	So people, is it reasonable to say people fear David Miscavige and his operations?
J:	Very much so. Fear and deify him. Deify him, why I don't know because he's such a coward.
L:	Do you have any knowledge about, in the Wollersheim case, a fake bomb being placed on the parent's door of Mr. and Mrs. Wollersheim?
J:	I remember Marty mentioning something about a bomb in connection with you.
L:	Marty Rathbun.
J:	Yes.
L:	Can you recall --
J:	He was laughing telling a story about a bomb. He was laughing about the reaction of the people. I mean, he was telling the story as if he was there, and it wasn't more elaborated than that, you know, it was like, "Hey, you know, a bomb," laughing. Think it's a big joke.
L:	My father had a heart condition, and we had a fake bomb on the door and then the bomb squad with this cement truck and all that stuff in front of our house, because we thought, and they thought, it was a real bomb, and it scared the hell out of my family. Do you know anything about two people coming up to my sister in a store, that she never saw before, walked straight up to her and said, "Your brother, Lawrence Wollersheim, will never live to collect." Did you ever hear anything about that incident?
J:	Mm-uhm [No].
L:	Did you ever hear about any leak or orders given to kill Lawrence Wollersheim that resulted in the FBI winding up in my door, government agents getting a tip that I was gonna be killed that night?
J:	You tell me about these things that happened within a certain time. Now I do recall something about your sister, and this is what I'll say about it, besides just hearing the whispers and stuff. That information was on a need to know basis and I knew it was going on but the people that were participating in it were Dave Miscavige, Marty Rathbun and Gene Ingram.
L:	The three of them --
J:	In private, no none else.
L:	-- were doing, setting up these covert operations on Charlie O'Reilly and my family, Judge Swearinger.
J:	Right.
L:	Do you know of any other threats that were made to Judge Swearinger in my case, anything? Did you ever hear anyone make comments about Judge Swearinger?
J:	I remember, um, David Miscavige saying what a fucking asshole he was and um, just mentioning the fact that something was or could be done about him.
L:	Could be done about him.
J:	Yeah. And I think it was basically, it's like, dig up the crimes of a sexual deviant, this kind of thing.
L:	Did --
J:	Can we take a pause?
L:	Yeah.
[Break]
L:	OK. Let's do the next one on your list.
J:	Okey Dokey. Let me just see where I am. Uh, Talking about #62 here. [Reading] "Scientology and/or its attorney using confidential materials, disclosures, or confessions given to Scientology by members for blackmail to silence or intimidate the individual?"
L:	You already mentioned David Mayo.
J:	Right, OK.
L:	Anyone else? Did you ever hear them talk? Did you ever hear them say, "Go get his PC folders and get everything out of his folders that the PI's can use"?
J:	Yes.
L:	Who said that to who?
J:	Marty, I heard Marty Rathbun say it about you, and David Miscavige was sitting there. I heard him say it about Armstrong. Margery Wakefield. I heard him say, Marty saying he had some document that she was already crazy when she came in. Bent Corydon comes up too.
L:	So, Scientology on the one hand says that these are confidential confessions and they will never ever use them. That's what they tell the members who are confessing their most deep and intimate secrets, secrets that could damage their lives if they ever became public or known or completely humiliate and embarrass them.
J:	Right.
L:	Scientology says, "We'll never do that."
J:	It willfully does it at every occasion.
L:	And whenever these situations that you saw with Miscavige in the room and Rathbun ordering the contents of a person's PC file, incriminating information being given to a --
J:	The OSA people would go through and all the person's OW write-ups would be pulled out of the person's pre-clear folder.
L:	His evil intentions?
J:	Yeah.
L:	His rock slams, his sec checks, his OW processing?
J:	Right.
L:	You know, L10 which has to do with overts.
J:	Whatever. Pull it out.
L:	Anything that they could find.
J:	Criminal acts they look for. 2D perversions they look for.
L:	Sexual perversions.
J:	Right, sexual perversions. Did I say "2D"?