Tape 4, August 25, 1998 (Continued from Tape 3)

Lawrence Wollersheim and Jesse Prince

L:	Fallout areas?
J:	You know, like concrete.
L:	Like a bunker or shelter?
J:	Yeah.
L:	Underground?
J:	Yes.
L:	At the Gold Center. The Gold Center is located where?
J:	In Hemet, California.
L:	At Hemet, California. Did anyone ever say why they had that there?
J:	Yeah, in case of a catastrophe.
L:	Social, political, environmental.
J:	Yeah.
L:	Any other storage areas where they store -
J:	Well, they had some but they were in constant transit, they would just be used for a while and they would change.
L:	Keep moving it.
J:	Right.
L:	What were they storing that they had to keep moving it?
J:	Documents, incriminating documents.
L:	Is there a place that they still save certain documents that they can't destroy that they have to preserve, but they're incriminating enough that they keep the storage location secret?
J:	I think if anyplace to find those things, I mean they keep it in transient, away from them, but they also maintain copies on certain premises. I think the most fruitful source of that would be CST.
L:	CST in the California mountains? You mentioned something about storage shelters, the storage at Gold, and Gold is in Hemet, California?
J:	Right.
L:	Do you know anything about Scientology storing dangerous chemicals that could be used in an offensive or defensive manner, anything, any type of chemical?
J:	No I don't.
L:	Do you know anything about any drugs that they would use to incapacitate or to drug or poison anyone? Any type drugs like that, have you ever heard about any LSD being use, or pharmaceuticals that could cause somebody to maybe fall asleep and anything like that?
J:	Nope.
L:	Let's go on with the next question.
J:	[Reading] "Any abusive action such as copyright or trade mark abuse taken by Scientology to inhibit religious members or former members, or to inhibit the freedom of such persons or practices to practice their freely chosen religion." Again on this point, I think I spoke about this in relation to David Mayo, in that he was a person that wrote the majority of all of those NOTs issues and then they were very litigious against him, in the RICO suit in this that and the other thing.
L:	Speaking of David Mayo, so they tried to shut down his religious reform group, or his religious splinter group because they viewed it as a competitor?
J:	Yes, they did a three pronged attack, they did legal, they did investigative harassment of things, ODC, CDC, and public relations put out issues. They go his mailing list, yes I'm remembering this, Bob Mithoff stole the mailing list.
L:	Bob Mithoff stole the mailing list for this reform church.
J:	And then took it and started mailing Scientology like covert written letters to discredit the people you know, David Mayo, and I think his wife was there, Meril was there for a while. Julie -
L:	Through the interstate mails they took a stolen mail list and mailed letters that made it look like it was David Mayo? Were they trying to make it look like it was David Mayo's organization?
J:	Yep, always.
L:	They were impersonating David Mayo and his organization through interstate mails. Were they selling anything through interstate mail?
J:	No, just dis-information, mis-information. They just turned it and just started sending, I mean, there was these letters that RTC used to make up, now you're making me remember. RTC used to create and finance a newsletter that was very derogatory to the AAC and publish it to its mailing list.
L:	Hand it out to the stolen mailing list for this reform group?
J:	Right. There was a 3-prong attack, there was public relations, investigations, and legal.
L:	How valuable was the mailing list in Scientology?
J:	It's invaluable.
L:	Would you say it's worth more than $100, Scientology mailing lists?
J:	Much, much more.
L:	How much would say the Scientology mailing list is worth?
J:	It's its lifebreath.
L:	Would Scientology value all its mailing lists at more than $100,000?
J:	More.
L:	A million?
J:	Way more than that. However much money they've got in the bank, however much money they will continue to have, that's the value of their mailing list.
L:	They stole the mailing list from this other organization that may have been worth, how much do you think their mailing list was?
J:	They also were into their financial records, and we knew how much money they made every day. We knew how much money was paid by who.
L:	They're making $5,000 a week, $10,000 a week?
J:	Like $20,000, $30,000.
L:	$30,000 a week. What do you think the value of their mailing list would have been worth, give me an estimate.
J:	Couple hundred thousand dollars.
L:	So, Bob Mithoff performed a theft in that organization of a document worth several hundred thousand dollars, which then Scientology created a program -
J:	A newsletter and a program.