Tape 2, August 24, 1998

Lawrence Wollersheim and Jesse Prince

L:	While she was working on Michael Jackson.
J:	Right, prior to their marriage. She was married to someone - She was married to someone earlier, some guy that was a Scientologist, a Sea Org member, and she became infatuated with Michael Jackson, at which point that marriage ended. You asked me about divorces, the divorce between her and that fella that she was with was monitored and gotten done very quickly.
L:	Do you think it was done to assist her to try to recruit Michael Jackson.
J:	Yes. Lose this guy you're with.
L:	Orders went to this Sea Org member.
J:	The CO of CC, what was her name, Karen Hounder. I forget the name. It was her job to specifically handle the Lisa Marie. I had an auditor who was auditing her, that went and audited her mother, and decided to get into a sexual relationship with Priscilla and ended up having to be - It was just a mess. Priscilla Presley, this is another one I would send out to Memphis, wherever she was, on a movie set, to just give her auditing for free.
L:	Any other divorces besides the orchestration with Tom Cruise and Mimi Rogers and also Lisa Marie and her Sea Org husband. Anything else, how about John Travolta and Kelly Preston?
J:	I know that was something that was cultivated along. Kelly Preson was not anyone I had heard of, and I had been dealing with John Travolta for years. Women were not always his preference. Then for her to suddenly show up.
L:	You don't have any knowledge that David Miscavige might have said, "Look, you've got some public relations problems here, why don't you get married, here's somebody in Scientology that could help you smooth over this." If you don't have knowledge, you don't have -
J:	No, I don't. I was just invited to their baby shower when their baby was born.
L:	Let's finish this off, we're going to move the focus away from that, we'll come back to this. It seems like, from what you're saying these celebrities received tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars in free auditing, they have special places they go, they get waited on hand and foot, in special elite compounds where they go so many times a year for free. They're not charged for this that you know of.
J:	Or it could also be the circumstances. I want to leave this crack in the door, that they have already been billed for X amount of dollars, and this is just something that continually comes up. Never the expenses of flying an auditor here there and everywhere.
L:	People, an entourage is sent with them when they go on set, and this entourage is sending out knowledge reports written intelligence reports on what's happening.
J:	In Days of Thunder, I recall that specifically with Tom Cruise. We actually tried to create a mix trailer because they didn't like what the music studio was doing. They became so disruptive to Tom Cruise in his film making that they eventually had to step aside. It was threatening his career.
L:	What is the real salaries? Let's talk about Miscavige and the top people. Everybody else is down there making $15, $24 a week. What does a Sea Org member make a week now.
J:	Now, I wouldn't have that information.
L:	When you left in '92, the average Corg member was making?
J:	$32 a week.
L:	90% of the staff is making literally nothing?
J:	Right.
L:	How much, Miscavige claims he makes $40,000 a year as head of the church, that's his tax claim. How much does he make in terms of other things? Have you ever seen him?
J:	He has several cars. All of his clothes are tailor-made, and not paid by him, gold, silver, in brick forms, stashed in safe.
L:	Gold and silver bricks in a safe, how can a person who makes $42,000 a year have gold and silver bricks?
J:	I mean lots of them, I'm not talking about a few. Gold coins. He showed me his safe one time, I couldn't believe it. Gold and silver bars stacked up, coins, rare coins, jewelry.
L:	Was he a rich child?
J:	No, not at all. His father is dirt poor.
L:	He's now in Scientology and he has a safe full of gold and silver.
J:	He has the most elaborate stereo system of anything and any place I've ever seen.
L:	How much do you think the stereo system might be worth?
J:	$20,000.
L:	A man who makes $40,000 a year with a $20,000 stereo?
J:	All the furniture is hand made, designed to fit the place where he is.
L:	Hand-made furniture. How much do you estimate the furnishings of his apartment at?
J:	$30,000, $40,000.
L:	$30,000, $40,000 in furnishings for his apartment. How many people wait on him hand and foot, how many servants does he have?
J:	Personal?
L:	Personal and cooks. J; I'd say a staff of 15, 20 people.
L:	15 or 20 people that are provided to wait on him at the expense of Scientology. Were these people, if they were in the real world, they would be making $18,000 to $25,000 a year for being servants and maids?
J:	Right.
L:	So, he may be receiving in services paid by the church, several hundred thousand a year. How about travel and vacations.
J:	Unlimited, and always in business and first class.
L:	First class, business. Do they have a jet they fly him around in? Is there a personal jet for Scientology?
J:	I know they used Travolta's jet one time, and I know they've flown on the French Concord just so they could see the curvature of the earth. Ray Mithoff and David Miscavige, this kind of extravagance. All the clothes are tailor-made.
L:	Tailor made, what do you mean?
J:	A tailor in Los Angeles has their measurements, they do the designs and it's a back and forth process.
L:	Did the average Sea Org member have tailor-made clothes?
J:	Christ, no.
L:	How much do you estimate his suits and clothing cost per suit?
J:	I'd say about a couple of thousand dollars a suit.
L:	Maybe $2,000 a suit. How many suits and things do you think he has?
J:	Closets full, I mean special closets were made to accommodate his clothes. He has rooms, probably as big as your whole place that is nothing but closets.
L:	A room that is as big as my whole lower apartment, we're talking 320 square feet.
J:	Just for his shoes, the alligator, the ostrich skin, the this, the lizards, the that.
L:	He is buying the best, give me shoes that cost more than $50.
J:	Shoes that cost of hundreds of dollars. They all have to have their own personal cedar shoe trees in them. There has to be cedar where the stuff is stored. This is very elaborate.
L:	How much do you estimate his wardrobe? You're talking about more than 20 suits.
J:	I'm talking like 40, 50 suits.
L:	50 suits as much as $2,000 a suit. How many pairs of shoes?
J:	It just seems like it goes on endlessly.
L:	Could he have 20 pair of shoes?
J:	Hell no, about 60.
L:	60 pairs of shoes, costing up to several hundred dollars a pair. We're talking -
J:	Hand made, hand designed.
L:	So you're talking about a wardrobe of $150,000.
J:	Yeah, $200,000.
L:	Jewelry.
J:	Fancy watches.
L:	And a man who makes $40,000.
J:	And his wife has all that too. She has equal closet space.
L:	She has an equal backing.
J:	Beautiful clothes, everything, go to the best stores, tailored.
L:	Where does this money come for all of this personal extravagance?
J:	The church. The backs of slaves.
L:	People making $30 a week pay for him to live like this?
J:	Yes.