Tape 2, August 24, 1998

Lawrence Wollersheim and Jesse Prince

L:	What makes you believe that?
J:	Because Ray Mithoff got into a campaign saying that he had seen some original advices and then seen some issues and made a point of pointing how certain things deviated from, and I do believe there's even an issue that came out right around 1983 discrediting David Mayo as a criminal in his compilation of these NOTs materials, in the NOTs issues themselves.
L:	Do you believe that was more of a public relations, black PR attack, or do you believe that there really was a legitimate reason?
J:	There was an issue that came out to the Scientology International ED written by Ray Mithoff at the time. Yeah, it was total PR just to discredit him.
L:	Let's go on to the next person on the list.
J:	We were talking about John Peterson, we didn't even finish with him. What happened when John Peterson got ill. They were enforcing auditing on him.
L:	What do you mean by enforcing auditing?
J:	Just really making him feel bad for not getting it. If you represent us, then you have to believe in what we say, and you have to get auditing, it can only help. There was this program where David Miscavige figured attorneys now need to start getting auditing.
L:	So there was an active program to get these attorneys into audit.
J:	Joe Yanni, John Peterson, Earl Cooley, went into auditing.
L:	Who else, Thresher, Heller?
J:	Heller went into auditing.
L:	These guys are getting auditing.
J:	They started out with life repair. First word clearing, life repair. Joe was really having a hard time with his auditing, Joe Yanni.
L:	He's an alcoholic.
J:	Joe Yanni?
L:	Yes.
J:	I didn't realize that. He was just chasing women, severely. He was just married to a woman named Dora and it was a mess. John Peterson, and they were all getting this over at the Celebrity Center, and they were required to do this. John Peterson -
L:	They were literally ordered, or it was suggested?
J:	Suggested.
L:	Their business relationship would be greatly benefited if they started receiving the religious services of Scientology?
J:	Exactly. John Peterson had been getting them for a while.
L:	Did they have to pay for it, or was it given to them?
J:	It was given to them.
L:	Free auditing.
J:	Yeah, at the Celebrity Center.
L:	Before you go on, an important question. Were there any sec-checkie type actions?
J:	Yes.
L:	Do you think that David Miscavige was looking for material that he could use to leverage the attorneys and control them?
J:	Yes.
L:	Why do you believe that?
J:	Because that's what they do with everyone. The better you can control someone, I guess the better results you're gong to get with whatever you're going to do. It was a definite effort to get these attorneys into Scientologists.
L:	Is free auditing a normal practice?
J:	Not at all. L; Where have you seen people get free auditing before?
J:	Celebrities.
L:	Celebrities get free auditing. Like who?
J:	Priscilla Presley, John Travolta, Tom Cruise, Chick Chorea, Stanley Clarke, Kirstie Alley.
L:	They're given free auditing. How much free auditing?
J:	Enough to get them back on lines, enough to get them voluntarily coming to an organization, asking for another service.
L:	The church promises them free auditing to get them back.
J:	Doesn't promise, just gives it to them. It's called the Celeb Project. I ran it for quite a while.
L:	How much value to free auditing do you think was given to Scientology's top celebrities, in cash value? Just a guestimate.
J:	Many tens of thousands of dollars worth to John Travolta, maybe over $100,000.
L:	So, John Travolta it would be safe to say has been paid for his endorsement of Scientology, he's received free services. Tom Cruise has been paid for an endorsement of Scientology, free services.
J:	Yes. Nicole Kidman.
L:	Nicole Kidman, free services.
J:	She obviously didn't want anything to do with it. She's so done with it, publicly said that she had nothing to do with Scientology.
L:	Nicole Kidman won't have any more auditing.
J:	Right, and said she's not a Scientologist and wants nothing to do with it.
L:	How can Tom Cruise still stay with her if she wants nothing to do with Scientology?
J:	He's pretty backed off with Scientology himself at this point in time.
L:	He is. Because of his wife?
J:	I can only imagine. I can only surmise.
L:	How recent is that information?
J:	Spanky told me about this when I was out in LA with Dan Leipold in July.
L:	Who else received free services from Scientology? Kirstie Alley, can you estimate about how much free services? You headed up the project, the Celebrity Recovery Project.
J:	Yes. I know the people who received the most were John Travolta, Priscilla Presley, Lisa Presley, probably Chick Corea, next in line.
L:	Kirstie Alley?
J:	Very little. Kirstie was strange. But she did receive some. She had the Narconon program.
L:	She has a coke addiction, she had a coke addiction. Let me ask you another interesting question. They receive these free services. No other Scientologists get free services that you know of?
J:	The attorneys.
L:	The attorneys. You kind of shocked me. I was in Scientology for 11 years, and everybody paid unless you signed a billion-year contract, or a three-year contract. I didn't even see anything given away.
J:	If you were important, you could get it for free.
L:	If you were important, you could get it for free.
J:	Earl Cooley was, "I ain't payin' for a damn thing, you all want to audit me, ok, but I ain't payin.'" It came to a point to where they were saying, "You need to start paying for all auditing", that's where all auditing stopped. To hell with this auditing. I know he gave quite a bit of auditing. John Peterson was getting auditing and then he stopped and said he did not want it anymore, he just wouldn't go to the auditing anymore. Now at this point, John Peterson is pretty tied up in the thick of it, because he's paying everybody's bills.
L:	Does he know what's going on with these illegal actions to get bank records.
J:	Yes. He knows.
L:	He does know?
J:	Yeah, he knows.
L:	To steal bank records, to steal phone records, IRS tax returns, to steal, what else would they steal?
J:	Employment information?
L:	Medical records. They would steal them from a hospital on a person.
J:	Get them in a deceptive matter.