Tape 3, August 25, 1998

Lawrence Wollersheim and Jesse Prince

L:	Have you ever seen anyone else other than David Miscavige assault or hit or punish physically, harm another staff member?
J:	Besides him, I'd have to say no.
L:	Let's go on with the next one.
J:	So we were talking about Seth, that's what I know about little Seth. Cat Morrow. I remember her.
L:	Rick Clinger's wife, Cat Clinger is her real name.
J:	She wasn't his wife at this time, he was married to someone else. Her name was Cat Morrow when I was there. She was the head of the Wolly unit, Wolly World, data collection. They called it Wolly World. She was under extreme pressure at a point in time where she wasn't sleeping, she wasn't eating, she was being screamed at 60% of the day, just working day and night, and she flipped. At which point, you know, it seems like people do just go to a certain point and it's not like you can say, I'm sorry, let's go to bed now. No, they don't sleep anymore, they are over the edge. She got the standard treatment of being locked up in a room by herself to scream and just do everything. No restraint, physically.
L:	They physically locked her up when she went psychotic?
J:	Yeah. They hold you under guard when that happens.
L:	Against your will?
J:	Absolutely. Just like Lisa McPherson , the standard practice. You are incarcerated at that point, and you're not going to be un-incarcarated until they think you're OK.
L:	So is that all you know about Cat, that she was locked up? Do you know of other people that were locked up, who went psychotic against their will?
J:	Yes, well one person that Stacy Young and I had to watch a girl named Teresa, we were watching her together.
L:	Teresa, what was her last name?
J:	I don't know her last name. She was a staff member at Gold. There was some big deadline about getting up a new Mark 7, and she was a Spanish girl, a cultural girl. She had skin pretty much the color of mine, black hair, very pretty girl, young girl, about 19 or 20. She was made to stay up day and night, soldering wires and crap to the e-meter, like on assembly. She started to loose it. The higher RC was saying she's out ethics, she's making overt products, that's why. Then the next thing you know, this girl is speaking and in a place so different than anyone else. She's gone over the edge, she's babbling. She's talking all out of her head. They immediately took her from the Hemet base and put her in Happy Valley, which is a little compound that they have where the children stay, it's by an Indian reservation. My God, talk about first hand experience. Stacy and I and that girl Susie Watson Taylor and a couple of guys, it was like 5 of us watching this girl, keeping her confined to a house. One time she got out of the house and there was this huge cactus out in the yard, and she pulled with her bare hand, one of the leaves off, threw it on the ground, and jumped up and down on the damn thing. I mean, her body was pierced everywhere. She didn't feel a thing, she was laughing. I along with a bunch of other people, pulled the thorns out of her, put hydrogen peroxide on her, and she had a fever, but still would not sleep, would not sleep. This went on for about 3 days. Then she started getting little cat naps. Now, I am so worried, because this woman is talking in voices. She hit me harder than I think I've ever been hit in my life, and now here comes Dr. Dink out there. He has five of us hold her down and he gives her a shot, to make her go to sleep. Her last words is, before she goes under, she looks me right in the eyes and says, "I'm not going to forget you for this Jesse, I'm going to get you." And she conks out. Me of all people. Everyone watched her, she ways this to me. Well, she slept for 2 hours and she was right the hell back up. They tried to give her pills and all of this stuff. Anyway, to make a long story short, it took about a month and a half for this woman to start sleeping again, and then making her eat again. She was getting introspection run down, passing notes back and forth to the case supervisor. She says she wants to go, no one will let her go.
L:	She said she wanted to leave, they wouldn't let her out?
J:	No.
L:	Did Dink know she had gone psychotic?
J:	Yes, that' why he was out there giving her a shot. We were worried that she was going to die because she wasn't sleeping, and was getting wilder and wilder and wilder. She ran off and just ran up a damn mountain. No one could even follow her. She was running faster than the dogs.
L:	They have dogs out there, chasing -
J:	No, just dogs hanging around, ranch dogs. Dogs couldn't even keep up with her. This woman had super-human strength.
L:	She was psychotic?
J:	Completely, utterly, totally.
L:	Were they worried about the woman or were they worried that the Riverside police might come onto the compound?
J:	It goes beyond that, her parents were calling, wanting to know where her daughter is.
L:	Were they lying to the parents?
J:	Yes.
L:	The parents were worried and they were lying.
J:	She's fine, she's just been working too hard, she's just taking a break. Wouldn't let the parents talk to her, but then, after a while, she was allowed to call her parents. She was told what the hell to say.
L:	She was told what to tell them?
J:	Yeah.
L:	So she was held against her will, her parents were lied to, this was in Riverside County, and Dink knew that she was being held against her will when he administered the shots to her?
J:	Right.
L:	Did Dink, did you ever hear of Dink going to anyone else who was being held against his will and giving them medication of any kind, anyone that was in a psychotic state or locked up?
J:	No, that's the only one that I personally was a witness to.
L:	Let's go on, unless there's more to that.
J:	The girl finally came to herself a little better, she was immediately sent away. Stacy could give you a statement, because we were doing this with the girl together. [Reading] "Tom Cruise, he actually became psychotic during auditing. Cruise was on OT III and Scientology had to bring him back to the base because he looked so bad." This is what I know about Tom Cruise. He was brought into Scientology and went into great detail about all the trappings of yesterday. This is what I recall about this thing that you mention. He got onto OT III and he had black circles under his eyes. He was like pretty screwed up, pretty screwed up. I mean nothing was making sense. He had these sound people on the set of Days of Thunder, feeding his ego, telling him how horrible everybody else was. He was having difficulty with some of the movie people. Rob Howard ended up coming out to the Int [?] base. He wasn't impressed at all. He came once and never came back again that I know of. It was very strange, at this time that Tom Cruise was screwing around with Scientology. After OT III he just got that pasty skin and that foolish look. He didn't want to come back, he didn't want to screw around with any more. He just wanted Scientology to be away from him. He wanted to do no more auditing, just nothing with any of that stuff, just go back to Hollywood and his home.
L:	He wanted to leave Scientology?
J:	Of course they really, oh, a horrible thing, someone gave you a wrong command or something. Something gets exploded at the base because he's nuts now. Of course they made him nuts. He was taken off any kind of real heavy auditing, and just let's have some fruit, let's get exercise, come to the exercise room, let's play basket ball, let's do this. I was leaving as that was going on, this is '92. This is when I'm leaving, I'm leaving and this is going on.
L:	Do you know of any celebrities that have gone psychotic with Scientology auditing, who just went nuts?
J:	John Travolta.
L:	Do you know any more about that?
J:	Well, it's happened several times.
L:	He's gone psychotic several times during Scientology auditing?
J:	Yes, just a fit, throwing a fit, wanting nothing else to do with Scientology, and then they'd go and get him again. Two times that I know of, once this was when that movie Saturday Night Fever came out, and he was good friends with Spanky Taylor. Suddenly she disappeared pregnant with her child, now in RPF crying all the time. That was a person that he wanted to have contact with in relationship in Scientology. They tricked him and told him "If you bring the movie so that all the base orgs can see it, and make an appearance, specifically for the RPF, that they will let him see Spanky. Of course he did all of that and they didn't let him see Spanky. He just went nuts, he threw a damn fit. He's actually the one, Spanky's secretary is the one that actually saved Spanky from Scientology. There was a period of time where John wanted nothing to do with Scientology, he was happy that Spanky was safe. But they still had control of Spanky to use her to keep him going. That was one time. Another time he was having a relationship with another homosexual man and said he was going to marry the man. Oh my God -